henno has doth offended us
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I thank you for your help. I also need to thank Lepus, kage of Black Mesa, for proving the song "Still Alive" literally accurate as far as henno's concerned.
That said... I propose we revive the deadbeat list here on TFF, with a few changes. McM has removed the deadbeat list, and he had his reasons, and some of those reasons were good ones; however, we found ourselves in a quandary when it came to henno this afternoon.
We were, quite literally, ready to go to war over him, and we really had no way of letting any of the other villages know.
For that reason, I propose an expanded deadbeat list - not for the use of keeping out deadbeats, but for village safety. When you declare someone a deadbeat, it isn't enough to say, "idiot's a deadbeat". Declare it in the following manner:
henno has deadbeated ScarletP. He took a SNAKE Oil Lite from our storehouse while it was being transferred from another villager to our kage. To say that we are perturbed by this is an understatement; for a time, we were exploring ways to destroy our own Beacon so that we may attack non-Beacon villages he might seek refuge in. We want no ground for this little monster to go to. We will do whatever we can to leave no ground for this little monster to go to; we will destroy through sabotage other villages if necessary. In other words, treat henno as though he were the plague - wherever he walks, Pink Death will follow.
Or, for short,
henno - ScarletP - Snake Oil Lite - Burn any village he enters.
This not only shows the deadbeat, but the reasons, and the consequences of taking him in.
By comparison, we could have
bakabaka - ScarletP - 5 MOMEs - none
This is a fictional someone who just deadbeat us, but didn't really take anything major. We don't feel like going to war over him; best to just ignore him, call him out on it, and go on. That way, any village who has room for him and wants to let him in (but doesn't feel like giving him access to the crown jewels) can do so.
At any rate... let me know if this is a good idea or not.
That said... I propose we revive the deadbeat list here on TFF, with a few changes. McM has removed the deadbeat list, and he had his reasons, and some of those reasons were good ones; however, we found ourselves in a quandary when it came to henno this afternoon.
We were, quite literally, ready to go to war over him, and we really had no way of letting any of the other villages know.
For that reason, I propose an expanded deadbeat list - not for the use of keeping out deadbeats, but for village safety. When you declare someone a deadbeat, it isn't enough to say, "idiot's a deadbeat". Declare it in the following manner:
henno has deadbeated ScarletP. He took a SNAKE Oil Lite from our storehouse while it was being transferred from another villager to our kage. To say that we are perturbed by this is an understatement; for a time, we were exploring ways to destroy our own Beacon so that we may attack non-Beacon villages he might seek refuge in. We want no ground for this little monster to go to. We will do whatever we can to leave no ground for this little monster to go to; we will destroy through sabotage other villages if necessary. In other words, treat henno as though he were the plague - wherever he walks, Pink Death will follow.
Or, for short,
henno - ScarletP - Snake Oil Lite - Burn any village he enters.
This not only shows the deadbeat, but the reasons, and the consequences of taking him in.
By comparison, we could have
bakabaka - ScarletP - 5 MOMEs - none
This is a fictional someone who just deadbeat us, but didn't really take anything major. We don't feel like going to war over him; best to just ignore him, call him out on it, and go on. That way, any village who has room for him and wants to let him in (but doesn't feel like giving him access to the crown jewels) can do so.
At any rate... let me know if this is a good idea or not.
EDIT- when he asked why and I told him, this was his answer:
"uhmmm dude i havent stolen anything i alrdy gave it back. in my former village i was allowed to take what i want so i kinda just thought that was the same in other villages... and i alrdy gave it back. tell him im sorry and that i sent it to darksenshi so he could put it back. Hf an Gl Further on."
Please confirm if he really gave it back or not.
*also what the hell does it means Hf an Gl Further on ????
He's season 3, he should know that even if your Kage lets you take whatever you want, you do not take a SNAKE Oil, no matter the form, unless you have enough appitite to use it for the village. Moreso, if you take an item so useful to a village, and only useful for a village, then leave the village. Even if he gave it back, such stupidity is worth a few hard bingos, if only to tell him he's an idiot.
I'm not sure what you mean. If it was about him being stupid for thinking he could just take a SNAKE Oil, that was his excuse. If it was about him being a deadbeat who took the SNAKE Oil because he could sell it, my post was in reference to his excuse, if it's true. If it's something else, it's probably one of those things that is obvious to everyone but the person who wrote it, until it's pointed out. I spent 5 minutes trying to think of what you might mean, and can't come up with anything beyond that. Well, that and the whole 'someone, somewhere, is stupid enough to do anything' thing, but really. If he's season 3 he should know these things.
Oh, could it be that I'm talking about him being in season 3 like I'm not? Because I knew this sort of thing in season 1, and he should know by now, at least.
Oh, could it be that I'm talking about him being in season 3 like I'm not? Because I knew this sort of thing in season 1, and he should know by now, at least.
I'll break things down for you.
1. Season doesn't equal anything involving knowledge or intelligence. Ever. Some of the stupidest players in the entire game are higher season than you and me combined.
2. If a Kage lets you take "whatever you want", then he shouldn't let people place valuable things in the storehouse. Sure, anyone deadbeating is at fault, but guess what? The Kage has multiple different ways to prevent people from looting the storehouse. USE ONE.
3. SNAKE Oil - What the flying fuck is this EVER doing in the storehouse? It was a highly risky storehouse pass to another player, and now you know why these big trades are supposed to be done via tradescreen or pigeon. NOT out in public. In the event that you absolutely NEED to storehouse trade(Note: You don't), get a vice or leader to shut down everyone else's permissions temporarily.
4. If he's giving it back, and sorry about the mixup, then just let it go. If being an idiot is a crime, then you should go make an example of the people in kage chat. Oh wait, you can't, since they'll probably tear you apart, unlike some no-name season three.
5. ...What?
1. Season doesn't equal anything involving knowledge or intelligence. Ever. Some of the stupidest players in the entire game are higher season than you and me combined.
2. If a Kage lets you take "whatever you want", then he shouldn't let people place valuable things in the storehouse. Sure, anyone deadbeating is at fault, but guess what? The Kage has multiple different ways to prevent people from looting the storehouse. USE ONE.
3. SNAKE Oil - What the flying fuck is this EVER doing in the storehouse? It was a highly risky storehouse pass to another player, and now you know why these big trades are supposed to be done via tradescreen or pigeon. NOT out in public. In the event that you absolutely NEED to storehouse trade(Note: You don't), get a vice or leader to shut down everyone else's permissions temporarily.
4. If he's giving it back, and sorry about the mixup, then just let it go. If being an idiot is a crime, then you should go make an example of the people in kage chat. Oh wait, you can't, since they'll probably tear you apart, unlike some no-name season three.
5. ...What?
No need to be so rude. In reply:
1. It would take a couple months to become season 3, I expected by that point a person would know that something that makes resources is important.
2. SNAKE Oil is not a perm. If a person has any storehouse permissions, they would be able to get it out. The Kage with the 'all access' storehouse was his old one, not the one he swiped the SNAKE Oil from.
3. I agree. I was saying henna should realize he shouldn't take a SNAKE Oil, not that it wasn't a dumb move on the villagers part who put it there.
4.Alright, maybe it was a bit of an over-reaction. He got one hard-bingo, that's enough if he really gave it back. That he needed that is explained by my next one.
5. SNAKE Oil gives resources, which can only be used by a village. It says so in the description. Aside from that, it can only be sold in the marketplace. He took it, then left the village with it. That he left right after taking it means he took it just to take something, and went with the most valuable thing he could get. I don't really get how that could be a coincidance, he must have known what it did. Therefore, he took it because it was valuable, and thought nobody would care.
If he had just taken it out of the storehouse, it would be one thing. Leaving right after makes him seem guilty of stealing purposely, not because of stupidity or ignorance. Perhaps I should have phrased it better to begin with, but I thought it sounded clear the way I wrote it. You seemed somewhat angry at me in your post, so I hope I've explained myself better here.
1. It would take a couple months to become season 3, I expected by that point a person would know that something that makes resources is important.
2. SNAKE Oil is not a perm. If a person has any storehouse permissions, they would be able to get it out. The Kage with the 'all access' storehouse was his old one, not the one he swiped the SNAKE Oil from.
3. I agree. I was saying henna should realize he shouldn't take a SNAKE Oil, not that it wasn't a dumb move on the villagers part who put it there.
4.Alright, maybe it was a bit of an over-reaction. He got one hard-bingo, that's enough if he really gave it back. That he needed that is explained by my next one.
5. SNAKE Oil gives resources, which can only be used by a village. It says so in the description. Aside from that, it can only be sold in the marketplace. He took it, then left the village with it. That he left right after taking it means he took it just to take something, and went with the most valuable thing he could get. I don't really get how that could be a coincidance, he must have known what it did. Therefore, he took it because it was valuable, and thought nobody would care.
If he had just taken it out of the storehouse, it would be one thing. Leaving right after makes him seem guilty of stealing purposely, not because of stupidity or ignorance. Perhaps I should have phrased it better to begin with, but I thought it sounded clear the way I wrote it. You seemed somewhat angry at me in your post, so I hope I've explained myself better here.
Just to clarify, it doesn't really matter if we're talking about perms or other items.
If you give someone item permissions, it means you trust them to take anything.
Essentially, before giving someone ANY item permission or filling the storehouse, Kage and vice(and anyone donating to storehouse) should always ask themselves what's the worst ten/twenty things that could possibly get taken in a single looting spree.
If ten Super Potions go missing, will people get butthurt? Probably, so why risk it? Runes, oils, and loads of other crap can be taken by anyone with basic storehouse privileges.
Essentially, if someone gets robbed/tricked because he trusted other people to be nice people, he should've known better. Tough and unfair, but there it is.
Now, what can be done about it?
1. Closed storehouse. Keep stuff inside if you want, and only leader gets privileges. If someone needs something, they can ask nicely for it.
2. No storehouse. Tradescreen everything.
3. Only village with people you can trust. You can trust them when they know you know where they live, and how far you're willing to go to get even.
These options, are of course, for extreme circumstances where you need to assume you're filled with a village full of kleptos and other asshats.
The easiest thing to do in an average village is to selectively shut down item privileges based on senority or something, and never let people loot more than three or four things per day. If they need more, they can ask.
If you give someone item permissions, it means you trust them to take anything.
Essentially, before giving someone ANY item permission or filling the storehouse, Kage and vice(and anyone donating to storehouse) should always ask themselves what's the worst ten/twenty things that could possibly get taken in a single looting spree.
If ten Super Potions go missing, will people get butthurt? Probably, so why risk it? Runes, oils, and loads of other crap can be taken by anyone with basic storehouse privileges.
Essentially, if someone gets robbed/tricked because he trusted other people to be nice people, he should've known better. Tough and unfair, but there it is.
Now, what can be done about it?
1. Closed storehouse. Keep stuff inside if you want, and only leader gets privileges. If someone needs something, they can ask nicely for it.
2. No storehouse. Tradescreen everything.
3. Only village with people you can trust. You can trust them when they know you know where they live, and how far you're willing to go to get even.
These options, are of course, for extreme circumstances where you need to assume you're filled with a village full of kleptos and other asshats.
The easiest thing to do in an average village is to selectively shut down item privileges based on senority or something, and never let people loot more than three or four things per day. If they need more, they can ask.
Interesting thing is that he didn't have item permissions until right before this incident.
The day before he committed the theft, he asked for temporary permissions to take some Silver Elixirs for a Sannin Run. He got approval, but guess what he took?
Well, he did take the Silver Elixirs (I believe a couple, rather than some), and I assume used them. He deposited and took other stuff in a random manner as well, then skedaddled.
The Snake Oil Lite was one of the items.
Also, this is ScarletP we're talking about here. We like our villagers, kaiju, pink, like to hardbingo idiot nin, and to hardbingo random villages.
Drama keeps things entertaining. In fact, I suggest we escalate and hardbingo the village that took him in and any allied village as well.
It'll be fun.
The day before he committed the theft, he asked for temporary permissions to take some Silver Elixirs for a Sannin Run. He got approval, but guess what he took?
Well, he did take the Silver Elixirs (I believe a couple, rather than some), and I assume used them. He deposited and took other stuff in a random manner as well, then skedaddled.
The Snake Oil Lite was one of the items.
Also, this is ScarletP we're talking about here. We like our villagers, kaiju, pink, like to hardbingo idiot nin, and to hardbingo random villages.
Drama keeps things entertaining. In fact, I suggest we escalate and hardbingo the village that took him in and any allied village as well.
It'll be fun.
The problem is, I can't confirm yet that he's returned them. He *says* he has returned them, but I won't know for certain until it appears in either my box or Mage's.
As for what it was doing in the storehouse, it was part of a transfer. Vasey was putting it in the storehouse so Mage could pick it up. henno picked it up before Mage could.
The full text of what I received this morning:
MESSAGE FROM HENNO
10/21 (WED - 7:27): THERE YOU GO ITS RETURNED. YOU MAY CONTINUE YOUR HUNT IF YOU WANT HF AND GL
MESSAGE FROM HENNO
10/21 (WED - 7:23): FINE ILL RETURN IT BUT THEN YOU SHOULD'NT GIVE ACCESS TO STOREHOUSE FOR NEW PLAYERS MY FORMER VILLAGES GAVE PERMISSION TO TAKE ALL THAT I WANTED SO I THOUGHT IT OKAY... YOU SHOULD WRITE SOMETHING IN DESCRIPTION ON THE VILLAGE BOARD OR SOMETHING. HF AND GL FURTHER ON THEN.
As for what it was doing in the storehouse, it was part of a transfer. Vasey was putting it in the storehouse so Mage could pick it up. henno picked it up before Mage could.
The full text of what I received this morning:
MESSAGE FROM HENNO
10/21 (WED - 7:27): THERE YOU GO ITS RETURNED. YOU MAY CONTINUE YOUR HUNT IF YOU WANT HF AND GL
MESSAGE FROM HENNO
10/21 (WED - 7:23): FINE ILL RETURN IT BUT THEN YOU SHOULD'NT GIVE ACCESS TO STOREHOUSE FOR NEW PLAYERS MY FORMER VILLAGES GAVE PERMISSION TO TAKE ALL THAT I WANTED SO I THOUGHT IT OKAY... YOU SHOULD WRITE SOMETHING IN DESCRIPTION ON THE VILLAGE BOARD OR SOMETHING. HF AND GL FURTHER ON THEN.