Harry Potter Hogwarts: A Reimagining

zerohour

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"The November session of the International Coalition of Wizards has been called to order." An elderly called out, "As our current head, Albus Dumbledore, is unable to act as mediator for the current subject, his duties will be fulfilled by Madame SHakeval."

Dumbledore took a moment to gaze around the chamber, amazed at how different things were when not sitting in his standard position. Then again, the new perspective was hardly the only change. News about his protests had gotten out, and the idea of the renown Albus Dumbledore stepping down from his lofty heights to get down and dirty in the courtroom was precisely the sort of sensation that many newspapers craved. Furthermore, as Dumbledore was the first Headmaster to formally submit complaints about mandated changes, several others Headmasters and Mistresses were in the stand, accompanied by teachers, support staff, parents, and almost anyone even vaguely connected to education, watching everything carefully. Whatever happened with Dumbledore and Hogwarts, would set the precedent for all further hearings. It would not be amiss to say that at that moment, Dumbledore had the fate of all magical education in his hands.

At the table next to him, sat three men representing the ICW Board of International Standardization of Education, none of which he had met beforehand. While Dumbledore was quite amiable to talking with the audience, they sat in stoic silence, waiting for the proceedings to commence.

Madame Shekeval banged he gavel, calling the courtroom to order, "The first item on today's agenda is the firing of Severus Snape, is that correct?" she inquired, paging through the rather thick file before her.

"Yes Madame." Dumbledore replied, his opposition nodding in agreement.

"Mr. Dumbledore, you may state your position."

"Madam Shekeval, Severus Snape has served as a teacher at Hogwarts for four years now, and has performed in an exemplary manner. He earned an Outstanding on both theoretical and practical knowledge of potions, completed his mastery with glowing praise for his skill, and is one of the top potion brewers recognized in Britain.
His methods or teaching are indeed stricter than the previous Potion professor, but they are reasonable, and serve to hone the skills of his students to a finer edge. Furthermore, there have been no formal complaints to or by the Board of Governors."

"I see..." Madame Shekeval muttered to herself, "You response, Mr. Charon?"

Mr. Charon stood, and shuffled his papers briefly before replying, " First, to address his qualifications; while it is true that he earned Outstanding on his Potions N.E.W.T.s, those are a reflection of the high end of student knowledge, as opposed to that of a master. Glowing praise from his instructor during his acquisition of a mastery indicates nothing, as Masters are notoriously subjective, and differences in opinion between them can vary wildly. As for being one of the top brewers in Britain, those are also inaccurate, as Britain has recently experienced what could amount to a Civil War, greatly reducing the potential pool. When compared against an international survey, we estimated he is somewhere between the 25th and 40th percentile. Regardless of all this, the fact remains that possessing a Mastery in a subject does not automatically imbue one with the proper mindset towards teaching. I will let his record speak for itself. During his employment, the number of students enrolled in N.E.W.T. Potions dropped by approximately 60 percent. Those who manage to complete the course have experienced reduced acceptance ratings in applications for Mastership apprenticeship. Observation of his class has revealed that the majority of his lessons are composed of writing the instructions on the board, and leaving students to their own devices. What little instruction there is is primarily geared toward criticism, which can occasionally border on verbal abuse. Needless to say, this is not the attitude that a teacher should possess.

As for his spotless record, it is important to note that Severus Snape is the godfather to Draco Malfoy, son of Lucius Malfoy, who is not only a governor, but has many connections within Britains governing body. It would not strain plausibility that Lucius may be exerting his influence in order to keep his dear friend in his position, by covering up or silencing any protests before they can be recognized by the Board of governors."

Madame Shekeval nodded, "Mr. Dumbledore, do you have any response to these allegations?"

Dumbledore didn't reply, unused to having someone directly oppose him in the political arena. He had not expected counterpoints to tear down Severus' qualifications and attack his reputation, and had nothing prepared for such an event. While he could have devised with a few minutes, Madame Shekeval was not known for her patience. Recognizing that fighting this would only weaken his position on other subjects, Dumbledore surrendered.

"I must admit, I did not examine Severus' qualifications as closely as I should have. I believe that that is the subject of one of the other contested changes. In leiu of my ignorance, I would like to withdraw my objections to that point, as it is clear that it was a valid point. However, I would request that you remain open to the idea of reevaluating Severus Snape's eligability as a teacher at a later date. I believe that with time, effort, and a guiding hand, he could become the teacher I hoped he would be when I first hired him."

Madame Shekeval nodded in agreement, and Dumbledore sighed internally in relief, while he had lost the first battle, he had salvaged it as much as he could, and managed to maintain his integrity for future battles. All he had to do was keep it up for the rest of the day, to buy himself to time to recover his position and prepare for the remaining points.

"Next item on the list, the presence of Peeve the Poltergiest within Hogwarts." Madame Shekeval intoned.

Dumbledore sighed, it was going to be a long day.
 
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#27
Can someone tell me where this stupid fanon of Draco's being Snape's godson came from? Malfoy, can't stand and doesn't trust Snape. He just likes Snape getting Harry in trouble.

Honestly, though I'm tired of seeing Dumbledore so against change. He showed the world the 13 uses of dragonblood, and apparently did things with his wand that pushed magic to its limits.

If anything after 100+ years of dealing with the same basic classes He'd probably find these changes entertaining. He is considered eccentric by most for a reason in canon because he usually went against the norm. The traditional purebloods would probably be most against it since it breaks tradition and Dumbledore hates to agree with them.
 

Ryuugi

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#28
What Seiya said. This interpretation of DD is 1) boring, 2) overdone, and 3) makes no sense. Why the hell would he not want his school to be better? The closest he's ever been shown to opposing changes to his school was with the Ministry Bullshit in fifth year; and he was not alone.

Also, you first segment, uh, doesn't really help. If anything, your various Mr. Whatevers came off as unprofessional assholes with minors in Large Hams, whereas DD was much more professional and even kindly.

Also, zerohour, a lot of those things you suggested don't make sense.

Snape is a Bastard and takes it out on Harry, sure, but why the hell would that cause Dumbledore to have to forfeit position that have nothing to do with that? Even if he did try to fight someone firing one of his employees why would that affect his position? I guess for the duration of the hearing, he might need to not serve as the whatever he is to avoid bais, but why after that.

Also, why the hell would he want to keep Peeves around? Mainly, he's a pain in the ass.

The telling the Muggleborns earlier is a good idea, but why the hell would that be the school's job, instead of the government?

And "I'm Dumbledore, agree with me." is not how DD operates.

The boys and the girls are basically kept seperate, anyway; they just share a common room.

Why does the school have to provide supplies? Making people buy their own materials isn't unique to Hogwarts, dude.

Mandated Staff Sabbaticals...why would he fight this?

Teacher evaluations...why would he fight this? He keeps Snape around, but there's an actual specific reason for that.

The familiar thing makes no sense. Why?

Binns...the worst he's ever been accused of was being boring. Is that now a crime? Also, makes no sense.

I'll go through this thread again later, but a lot the stuff you guys are suggesting is pretty, uh, stupid, and oozes of senseless anti-DD bullshit.
 

zerohour

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#29
Okay then.

-First off, Dumbledore isn't against change. There are a lot of things on the list that he is okay with. Heck, there re a lot of things that he's fighting that he's okay with. However, Just because he's okay with something in theory, doesn't mean that he wants them to happen as they are specifically mandated. It's kinda like communism. It's a good idea in theory, but we have yet to see it properly applied. A lot of the conflicts will be over the details, as opposed to the core idea behind it.

-The suits ARE kind of being assholes, but to be fair, they've been telling everyone, everywhere what they're doing, and everyone's been complaining. At this point, they're sick of it, and just want to get it over with.

Plus, they're bureaucrats. They just want to get the job done, and don't really care what they have to do to do it.

-Dumbledore being forced to give up his position can be accomplished in a couple of ways. The first being if there is a clear, lasting conflict of interest between his jobs. If doing one of the jobs impairs his performance on the other, he should'ye be doing them both. The second would be Dumbledore being overworked, which is likely to happen when someone has three jobs. A great example of why this would be a good idea is in the PS. Voldemort makes a play for the stone, and Dumbledore is nowhere to be found. That seems like a problem to me.

-By the same logic, if Dumbledore didn't want Peeves around, why didn't he get rid of him? He doesn't help anyone, so why didn't they get rid of him at some point?

-The school telling the muggleborn is because A: they already do it, and B: Muggleborn are going to deal with the school far more than the government for the first 7 years, so it makes more sense that way.

-Having the school buy the supplies is added in mainly because I'm sick of paying $20,000 a year, and then have to buy the books myself.

Edit: reread it, and Potions ingredients are analogous to chemicals, which ARE provided by the school.

-There's nothing wrong with sabbaticals, but making them mandatory could be problematic, especially if it comes at an inconvenient time. Let's say that Sprout has a student she's been helping with their schoolwork, and wants to help them during their O.W.L.s, but can't due to the mandated sabbatical.

-Staff evaluations can be a problem, because his current staff members might not be up to snuff (which some of them aren't), and the DADA post has enough problems with hiring replacements each year without further reducing the potential pool. Lockhart, Umbridge, and probably Moody wouldn't pass the evaluations, Remus is liekly to get boned because he's a werewolf, Snape already got fired, and who knows if Quirrel is qualified.

Of course, looking back, that was probably one of the changes that Dumbledore is okay with.

-The familiars thing is included because it's an easily overturned change. I suppose if you want justification, it's the same with a lot of schools. No pets unless it lives in water.

-Being boring IS a crime when you're a teacher. If no one pays attention to you, no one is learning. Plus, he is overly fixated n the goblins wars, which is a bad thing. It' like teaching only algebra in math. You miss out on geometry, trignometry, statistics, calculus, and more. Why are you defending someone who's so clearly bad at what they do?


Let me know if I missed any of the points you were complaining about.
 

Ryuugi

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zerohour said:
Okay then.

-First off, Dumbledore isn't against change. There are a lot of things on the list that he is okay with. Heck, there re a lot of things that he's fighting that he's okay with. However, Just because he's okay with something in theory, doesn't mean that he wants them to happen as they are specifically mandated. It's kinda like communism. It's a good idea in theory, but we have yet to see it properly applied. A lot of the conflicts will be over the details, as opposed to the core idea behind it.

-The suits ARE kind of being assholes, but to be fair, they've been telling everyone, everywhere what they're doing, and everyone's been complaining. At this point, they're sick of it, and just want to get it over with.

Plus, they're bureaucrats. They just want to get the job done, and don't really care what they have to do to do it.

-Dumbledore being forced to give up his position can be accomplished in a couple of ways. The first being if there is a clear, lasting conflict of interest between his jobs. If doing one of the jobs impairs his performance on the other, he should'ye be doing them both. The second would be Dumbledore being overworked, which is likely to happen when someone has three jobs. A great example of why this would be a good idea is in the PS. Voldemort makes a play for the stone, and Dumbledore is nowhere to be found. That seems like a problem to me.

-By the same logic, if Dumbledore didn't want Peeves around, why didn't he get rid of him? He doesn't help anyone, so why didn't they get rid of him at some point?

-The school telling the muggleborn is because A: they already do it, and B: Muggleborn are going to deal with the school far more than the government for the first 7 years, so it makes more sense that way.

-Having the school buy the supplies is added in mainly because I'm sick of paying $20,000 a year, and then have to buy the books myself.

Edit: reread it, and Potions ingredients are analogous to chemicals, which ARE provided by the school.

-There's nothing wrong with sabbaticals, but making them mandatory could be problematic, especially if it comes at an inconvenient time. Let's say that Sprout has a student she's been helping with their schoolwork, and wants to help them during their O.W.L.s, but can't due to the mandated sabbatical.

-Staff evaluations can be a problem, because his current staff members might not be up to snuff (which some of them aren't), and the DADA post has enough problems with hiring replacements each year without further reducing the potential pool. Lockhart, Umbridge, and probably Moody wouldn't pass the evaluations, Remus is liekly to get boned because he's a werewolf, Snape already got fired, and who knows if Quirrel is qualified.

Of course, looking back, that was probably one of the changes that Dumbledore is okay with.

-The familiars thing is included because it's an easily overturned change. I suppose if you want justification, it's the same with a lot of schools. No pets unless it lives in water.

-Being boring IS a crime when you're a teacher. If no one pays attention to you, no one is learning. Plus, he is overly fixated n the goblins wars, which is a bad thing. It' like teaching only algebra in math. You miss out on geometry, trignometry, statistics, calculus, and more. Why are you defending someone who's so clearly bad at what they do?


Let me know if I missed any of the points you were complaining about.
And what's the problem with arguing details?

Be that as it may, they should no better. Being assholes isn't going to make their jobs easier, just harder.

Um, that also makes no sense. Him not being there in PS isn't a good example; I highly doubt 'dealing with terrorist super-wizards who are supposed to be dead but have recently attached themselves to the back of one of my teacher's heads' is part of any of his jobs. He does that in his free time. Also, why does he need to lose his jobs?

Who knows? Maybe he can't. After all, it's been stated many times that only the Bloody Baron could deal with Peeves.

Um, no, it doesn't. Much like dealing with Voldemort, dealing with Muggleborns shouldn't be his job. The fact that he does so any way (and sends teachers to help) should probably be accepted as a major point in his favor.

And while you may tired of throwing money away at school supplies (God knows I am), I fail to see how this is in anyway his or his schools job, either.

In that case, it is entirely in his right to complain. You're trying to make DD look bad, but you're just making him look better (and confirming wizarding governments as total assholes).

In that case, unresonably high standards are also a good reason to complain. It's not like DD wants these guys as teachers in spite of their bullshit background; he just didn't know or it didn't matter. 1st year...'has my archenemy attached himself to your head?' way probably not something he looked for. 2nd...to all outsiders, Lockheart was qualified; very much so. It's not DD's fault he faked his shit. 3rd...Remus was very good at his job. 4th...so was Moody, even as a doubleganger, something nobody caught til the last second; not his fault. 5th...he had no choice. 6th...Snape may be an asshole, but you have to admit he's probably one of the best known wizards in HP, and he did do his job. He was dead for 7th year.

Most familiars in Hogwarts are Owls, i.e. wizard cellphones. Makes no sense to get rid of them.

Uh, dude, no. If the teacher tells all the relevant information, and your book also provides it, and he does what he's supposed to do, him doing so in monotone is not an excuse for failure. You failed, not him. Also, we have no idea what he talked about; we've seen him talk a few times, and while he talked about Golbin Revolutions, there seemed to be a lot of them, making them an important part of his course. Why do we spend so much time on War in History? Gee, I don't know, maybe because there's so much war in History?
 

Nemi

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#31
I couldn't even read this. Ugh.

How you treating DD is off, how people are reacting to him is off.

And frankly every time I see a "Fire Snape because he's a bad teacher" idea I want to shoot someone. It just smacks of Protagonist Centered Morality. Being an asshole != not knowing his shit.

Cauldrons blow up. Basically they're dealing with alkali earth metals most classes, of course he's going to bite their heads off.

It's stated in the books that Snape's classes are well ahead of what people think they should be.

And goddamnit did you miss the parts where the school used to hang kids upside down by their toes for detention? Whip them? It's stated that Dumbledore stopped that, I think either Molly or her husband was canned. In other words, not only is it in living memory, it's implied that there's no laws against it.

And they'd be cranky over Snape being a hardass?

Also, Binns. Why get rid of Binns? Sure the kids go to sleep, but that's something they did, not what he did. Even better, He's DEAD. THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY HIM.
 

Sledgehammer

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#32
When I read 'rebuild Hogwarts from the ground up', I think 'Harry Potter in the Minecraft universe'.

No doubt someone's already done a recreation of Hogwarts in Minecraft, complete with character skins.
 

Lord of Bones

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#33
There's a difference between being a hardass and going out of your way to terrorize and taunt students under your care (his interactions with Harry and Neville, sabotaging Harry's work, mocking Hermione in 4th year, openly coddling the Slytherins, the end of 6th year where he vents his rage on Harry after being called a coward).
 

Prince Charon

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#35
jaredstar said:
simply knowing your shit does not mean you can teach.
Lord of Bones said:
There's a difference between being a hardass and going out of your way to terrorize and taunt students under your care (his interactions with Harry and Neville, sabotaging Harry's work, mocking Hermione in 4th year, openly coddling the Slytherins, the end of 6th year where he vents his rage on Harry after being called a coward).
These.

My senior year in High School, I had two chemistry teachers. One was a coach, who taught from the book, and while he didn't know chemistry, he did know how to teach, and we had the books right there to help us. The other was a chemist, really knew chemistry, and was utter shit as a teacher. He was nicer than Snape is in the scenes we observe him in, but he was unhelpful, occasionally a little insulting, had a thick accent (that he made no attempt to moderate, and most of the students could not understand), and took away our book, teaching only from the board and his (barely understandable, some students had to ask others for translations) lectures. When these flaws were pointed out, his response was something like 'too bad, maybe you should drop this class', and when the complainer replied 'but I need this class for college,' he told her, nearly shouting, 'College is not for everyone!', in the clearest accent I can recall him using. He was at least as unsympathetic about other complaints, IIRC, but that one sticks in my mind.

I very much preferred the coach, as he at least could teach, and tried to help. Both were about equal in terms of safety (very important in chemistry lab), but that was all I'm sure they were equal on.

Even the chemist was better than Snape. Just a few of the things Snape does in canon would be enough to get him fired - and possibly arrested, at some schools.
 

Lord Raine

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#36
Mah. How disappointing. I came expecting this to be a reimagining of Hogwarts as a castle. Instead, it's a bunch of people trying to work out information that no one will ever use on subjects that we know essentially nothing about (i.e. magic). Oh, and character bashing, which seems to happen whenever certain specific individuals show up.

Reinventing the castle would have been interesting and possibly productive. This is just boring, and mostly pointless. And, of course, Snape and Dumbledore bashing, which is all the TFF HP Ideas and Talk sections seem to be good for nowadays.

Way to be a bunch of fails, guys.

Same for McGonnagal-Despite being Dumbledore's woman through and through, she's good at what she does.
And exactly how does that work? What, being loyal to Dumbledore suddenly means you're a massive, raging incompetent, so much so that someone (i.e. McGonagall) who isn't so is enough of an exception to warrant going "despite being Dumbledore's person, X is really good at what they do"?

The hell?
 

Ryuugi

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#37
Lord Raine said:
Mah. How disappointing. I came expecting this to be a reimagining of Hogwarts as a castle. Instead, it's a bunch of people trying to work out information that no one will ever use on subjects that we know essentially nothing about (i.e. magic). Oh, and character bashing, which seems to happen whenever certain specific individuals show up.

Reinventing the castle would have been interesting and possibly productive. This is just boring, and mostly pointless. And, of course, Snape and Dumbledore bashing, which is all the TFF HP Ideas and Talk sections seem to be good for nowadays.

Way to be a bunch of fails, guys.

Same for McGonnagal-Despite being Dumbledore's woman through and through, she's good at what she does.
And exactly how does that work? What, being loyal to Dumbledore suddenly means you're a massive, raging incompetent, so much so that someone (i.e. McGonagall) who isn't so is enough of an exception to warrant going "despite being Dumbledore's person, X is really good at what they do"?

The hell?
Points to Raine, for telling it how it is.
 

zeebee1

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#38
And really, this isn't a re-imagining. This is court case to correct minor issues.
 

Tentrees

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#39
Lord Raine said:
Mah. How disappointing. I came expecting this to be a reimagining of Hogwarts as a castle. Instead, it's a bunch of people trying to work out information that no one will ever use on subjects that we know essentially nothing about (i.e. magic). Oh, and character bashing, which seems to happen whenever certain specific individuals show up.

Reinventing the castle would have been interesting and possibly productive. This is just boring, and mostly pointless. And, of course, Snape and Dumbledore bashing, which is all the TFF HP Ideas and Talk sections seem to be good for nowadays.

Way to be a bunch of fails, guys.
Then how about we all take a week and rebuild Hogwarts in either short story or discriptive format? <_<

Any takers or are we all Trousers no pants?

You too Lord Raine put your pen were your mouth is. I'll see you all next Sunday not later then 12pm Alaska time.

Bring it.... If you can.
 

Mercsenary

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#40
Tentrees said:
Lord Raine said:
Mah. How disappointing. I came expecting this to be a reimagining of Hogwarts as a castle. Instead, it's a bunch of people trying to work out information that no one will ever use on subjects that we know essentially nothing about (i.e. magic). Oh, and character bashing, which seems to happen whenever certain specific individuals show up.

Reinventing the castle would have been interesting and possibly productive. This is just boring, and mostly pointless. And, of course, Snape and Dumbledore bashing, which is all the TFF HP Ideas and Talk sections seem to be good for nowadays.

Way to be a bunch of fails, guys.
Then how about we all take a week and rebuild Hogwarts in either short story or discriptive format? <_<

Any takers or are we all Trousers no pants?

You too Lord Raine put your pen were your mouth is. I'll see you all next Sunday not later then 12pm Alaska time.

Bring it.... If you can.
where*

The idiom you used seems off somehow... I was under the impression that trousers= pants.

Did you mean "All talk and no trousers"?

*no later then 12pm

Not later sounds off.

Also: Shut your goddamn whore mouth. LR isnt the most popular user on the forum but fuck you, she calls it how she sees it.
 

zerohour

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#41
@ Ryuugi:
Dumbledore missing in PS IS a good example. He purposefully brought in the stone, knowing that someone was after it.

If Peeves can't be removed, then it doesn't really matter what they decide. Heck, Dumbledore could easily be telling them that it's a waste of time and effort to try that. It was mentioned as a throwaway issue at the end, with no contet abotu what Dumbledore is fighting about.



As I mentioned in the original post, the school should supply potion ingredients, which is the equivalent of chemicals for chemistry class. As was mentioned, Potions can result in explosions, which are more likely to happen when there isn't someone supervising. Granted, Snape doesn't do much, but having a trained professional watching is a better idea than letting children do whatever.

If he doesn't know, then he's failign to properly interview/screen them, and that should be addressed. Knowing Voldie is attached to Quirrel isn't something he shoudl have figured out, but hiring someone who is clearly terrified of the Dark Arts is the same as learning to fly from someone terrified of heights. Likewise, if Lockhart couldn't cast any spells properly, that should have set off a warning bell. I agree that Lupin was a decent teacher, and Moody was qualified, but I wouldn't want a paranoid man who may resort to violence near my kids. I agree about fifth year, but as previously stated, Snape is a horrible teacher.

The parents have owls, and students can use the school owls. Having personal owls isn't too necessary. This is one of the changes put forth so that it can be overturned, so stop bringing it up. Arguing about it means your arguing against your own perspective.

An individual student not paying attention or failing is probably their fault, but a more students follow that pattern, the fault shifts to the teacher. The books imply that the class is universally boring, which means that Binns is the likely problem.

Wars are important, but Binns seems to focus on them to the exclusion of all else. Furthermore, he focuses on a specific subset of them, rather than include any wars that don't involve goblins. As far as I know, all Binns talks about in canon is the goblin wars, from which we extrapolate that her doesn't talk about anything else. While this may be untrue, there is nothing in canon to contradict it.

@Nemi:
Obligatory joke: If you can't read it, how do you know it's bad?

Explosions happen because Snape doesn't explain what they're supposed to do, and why. He just throws up the recipe on the board and let's them puzzle it out themselves.

I request citation for the classes being ahead of where they should be, preferably with both book and page number so I can check it myself.

That is a horrible piece of logic right there. Taken to an extreme, it could read thusly "Well, we still rape the students, but we've stopped maiming them, so everything is fine!" Being better doesn't mean it's good. Getting a 40% on a test is better than a 10%, but you're still failing either way.

So saving money should take precedence over the education of the students? That's not a good precedent to set. I'm sure some recently released pedophiles would love to work for free too. Alternatively, Binns may be getting paid, in which case firing him might be a good idea since he's probably getting paid the most, since he's been teaching the longest.




@Raine: Well, if you got here when the thread was started, you might've been able to move it in that direction. Heck, there's nothing preventing you from trying now, and that does sound like it could be interesting. Then again, there is plenty of room to play around with Hogwarts, since there are a lot of places that were probably letf unseen in the books and movies.

I do agree that several chapters of courtroom hearing would be dreadfully boring. This only popped up because I was bored and happened to be revisiting this thread at the time.

Regarding the Dumbledore's man= incompetence, I'd have to make a list of Dumbledore's men and then evaluate them to determine if they were competent or not. I think it's mostly bleed over from Dumbledore's mistakes.
 

Lord Raine

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#42
I haven't read all of this, but:
Dumbledore missing in PS IS a good example. He purposefully brought in the stone, knowing that someone was after it.
Yes, and maybe that was the whole idea to begin with. You can't tell me that Dumbledore and Snape together, both Legilimens, didn't notice anything odd about Quirrel. Odder than 'just' suspicion. I've pointed out several times that I believe the whole gauntlet was a trap devised by Dumbledore with Flamel's help to reveal Voldemort's continued existence to the world. Dumbledore's protection alone was enough to protect the stone perfectly. There was no actual need for any of the other traps. And had Harry not been there as well to look into the mirror, Voldemort and Quirrel would have been screwed.

Then there's the fact that Dumbledore got back so quickly from his trip after being called away. He claimed that he and Hedwig "must have crossed paths in mid-air," but that's an excuse if I've ever seen one. It seems much more likely that he never actually left, and only pretended to to give Quirrel and Voldemort their opening to attack the gauntlet.

Let's also not forget the fact that:

1.) Technically, we only have Dumbledore's word that the stone wasn't a fake to begin with. It very well might have been, especially if the whole thing was a setup to catch Voldemort.

2.) If they actually were serious about hiding the stone, Dumbledore or Flamel would have put it under a Fidelius. That's check and mate in one move. The fact that they didn't, in spite of how insanely important and potentially dangerous it was, is considerable evidence all by itself that they wanted Voldemort to go after it, even if they didn't want him to actually get it.

As I mentioned in the original post, the school should supply potion ingredients
They do. The students have their own public potions cabinet that gets restocked periodically by the school. It gets mentioned at least once that I know of, directly in reference to the Polyjuice Potion in CoS, when Hermione points out that they can't find some of the ingredients in the recipe in the student's cabinet, at which point the suggestion is made that they raid Snape's private cabinet for what they need.

Moody was qualified, but I wouldn't want a paranoid man who may resort to violence near my kids.
You forget, Dumbledore and Moody are old friends. Not only would Dumbledore trust Moody, but he would know whether or not Moody would be able to effectively teach a bunch of kids.
 

Ryuugi

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#43
zerohour said:
@ Ryuugi:
Dumbledore missing in PS IS a good example. He purposefully brought in the stone, knowing that someone was after it.

If Peeves can't be removed, then it doesn't really matter what they decide. Heck, Dumbledore could easily be telling them that it's a waste of time and effort to try that. It was mentioned as a throwaway issue at the end, with no contet abotu what Dumbledore is fighting about.



As I mentioned in the original post, the school should supply potion ingredients, which is the equivalent of chemicals for chemistry class. As was mentioned, Potions can result in explosions, which are more likely to happen when there isn't someone supervising. Granted, Snape doesn't do much, but having a trained professional watching is a better idea than letting children do whatever.

If he doesn't know, then he's failign to properly interview/screen them, and that should be addressed. Knowing Voldie is attached to Quirrel isn't something he shoudl have figured out, but hiring someone who is clearly terrified of the Dark Arts is the same as learning to fly from someone terrified of heights. Likewise, if Lockhart couldn't cast any spells properly, that should have set off a warning bell. I agree that Lupin was a decent teacher, and Moody was qualified, but I wouldn't want a paranoid man who may resort to violence near my kids. I agree about fifth year, but as previously stated, Snape is a horrible teacher.

The parents have owls, and students can use the school owls. Having personal owls isn't too necessary. This is one of the changes put forth so that it can be overturned, so stop bringing it up. Arguing about it means your arguing against your own perspective.

An individual student not paying attention or failing is probably their fault, but a more students follow that pattern, the fault shifts to the teacher. The books imply that the class is universally boring, which means that Binns is the likely problem.

Wars are important, but Binns seems to focus on them to the exclusion of all else. Furthermore, he focuses on a specific subset of them, rather than include any wars that don't involve goblins. As far as I know, all Binns talks about in canon is the goblin wars, from which we extrapolate that her doesn't talk about anything else. While this may be untrue, there is nothing in canon to contradict it.

@Nemi:
Obligatory joke: If you can't read it, how do you know it's bad?

Explosions happen because Snape doesn't explain what they're supposed to do, and why. He just throws up the recipe on the board and let's them puzzle it out themselves.

I request citation for the classes being ahead of where they should be, preferably with both book and page number so I can check it myself.

That is a horrible piece of logic right there. Taken to an extreme, it could read thusly "Well, we still rape the students, but we've stopped maiming them, so everything is fine!" Being better doesn't mean it's good. Getting a 40% on a test is better than a 10%, but you're still failing either way.

So saving money should take precedence over the education of the students? That's not a good precedent to set. I'm sure some recently released pedophiles would love to work for free too. Alternatively, Binns may be getting paid, in which case firing him might be a good idea since he's probably getting paid the most, since he's been teaching the longest.




@Raine: Well, if you got here when the thread was started, you might've been able to move it in that direction. Heck, there's nothing preventing you from trying now, and that does sound like it could be interesting. Then again, there is plenty of room to play around with Hogwarts, since there are a lot of places that were probably letf unseen in the books and movies.

I do agree that several chapters of courtroom hearing would be dreadfully boring. This only popped up because I was bored and happened to be revisiting this thread at the time.

Regarding the Dumbledore's man= incompetence, I'd have to make a list of Dumbledore's men and then evaluate them to determine if they were competent or not. I think it's mostly bleed over from Dumbledore's mistakes.
See Raine about the stone, but I'll repeat this part since it's important. DD wanted to protect the stone, and he did. Had Harry not been then, then Voldemort couldn't have done shit to the stone. At worst, DD can be accused of not thinking his students stupid enough to follow mass-murderers into quiet, removed locations without any witnesses, even despite the many things put in their way to keep them away.

No comment on Peeves.

They do. But students are expected to buy at least some of the stuff.

I repeat, Lockheart was a good enough actor to fool the entire Wizarding World, and good enough to back up his claims with evidence. Also, Moody has been stated to have at least some teaching experience. And Snape actually did pretty good in 6th year, if I remember correctly. And it's not as though he'd been spoiled for choice; Alaskan Crab Fisherman have better survival rates then DADA teachers.

Putting in changes that are stupid for the sole reason of overturning them is also stupid.

Uh, no, that's not how it works. Even if he's boring, if he covers all the right, provides books, and gives the students the right work to do, and they still fail? It their fault, not his.

Of course not. We've seen him teach, what, three times? If that? Your premise is bullshit.

On to your reply to Nemi:

Obligatory: Well, he can probably feel the suck that radiates off this idea.

Uh, following the recipe is generally a good place to begin, yeah. Being given a recipe to follow, and then asking questions if problems come up is how I was taught to; it worked, too. Properly detailed recipes are wonderful. And we know he's good at giving them; Harry aced Potions Class in 6th year by following istructions from Snape that were, I dunno, twenty years out of date?

Dunno about that, I'll let Nemi cover it. But see the above acing of class.

Different standards are different, dude.

Money is always important, especially for schools which generally aren't swimming in it. But Binns does do his job. And your example of a pedo is stupid and retarded.

At your reply to Raine:

Don't the first part...

or the second part...

But what mistakes? Seriously, which ones? And why the fuck would it affect them or their preformance? Back this shit up.
 

zerohour

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Your argument againts Dumbledore not being responsible for the stone is wrong because he purposefully brought it into the school, making it his responsibility. Maybe Raine is right, but that still means Dumbledore is responsible for it.

With Lockhart, it was clear within two classes, at most, that he didn't know what he was doing. If the kids can figure it out withing two hours, educated adults who are supposed to check those things should catch it.

Make up your gaddamn mind. You get pissed that Dumbledore looks like an idiot, but you don't want him to win anything? What the hell?!

If an entire class fails, then either the entire class is retarded, or the teacher isn't doign his job. Occam's Razor dictates that we assume it's the teacher, since it requires one person being a failure, as opposed to 20.

We've seen Binns teach three times, and all three times, he talks about the Goblin Wars. What are we supposed to think? If it was just one class, or he talked abotu something else in one of them, I'd agree, but every class we've seen has something to do with the Goblin Wars.


Really? I'm used to the teacher telling you to be careful, because screwing up can cause serious bodily harm being an important part of chemistry class. If Harry aced the class using Snape's notes, then why does he generally do poorly when Snape himself is teaching? Part of the reason is that Snape doesn't answer questions,which you say is part of the learning experience. The closest Snape comes to answering questions is yelling at someone AFTER the explosion. This implies that they are better off WITHOUT Snape. Also, the book is being used in class, so it would be up to date, or Hogwarts needs to make another revision by updating the book list.

I'm not sure what point you're referring to with "Different standards are different." Please clarify.

Of course the pedo example is crap, it's supposed to highlight the flaws in the logic by being brash and obvious without an ounce of tact. Here's another example: Would you rather pay $5 for a decent meal, or eat out of the garbage for free? Also, as I mentioned, we don't know that Binns isn't getting paid, so the premise behind this point could be false.


Dumbledore is human, therefor he makes mistakes. I'm not going to list some of them, since that'll just give you more ammo for how I'm DUmbledore bashing. If you really want some of them listed, let me know.
 

Ryuugi

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zerohour said:
Your argument againts Dumbledore not being responsible for the stone is wrong because he purposefully brought it into the school, making it his responsibility. Maybe Raine is right, but that still means Dumbledore is responsible for it.

With Lockhart, it was clear within two classes, at most, that he didn't know what he was doing. If the kids can figure it out withing two hours, educated adults who are supposed to check those things should catch it.

Make up your gaddamn mind. You get pissed that Dumbledore looks like an idiot, but you don't want him to win anything? What the hell?!

If an entire class fails, then either the entire class is retarded, or the teacher isn't doign his job. Occam's Razor dictates that we assume it's the teacher, since it requires one person being a failure, as opposed to 20.

We've seen Binns teach three times, and all three times, he talks about the Goblin Wars. What are we supposed to think? If it was just one class, or he talked abotu something else in one of them, I'd agree, but every class we've seen has something to do with the Goblin Wars.


Really? I'm used to the teacher telling you to be careful, because screwing up can cause serious bodily harm being an important part of chemistry class. If Harry aced the class using Snape's notes, then why does he generally do poorly when Snape himself is teaching? Part of the reason is that Snape doesn't answer questions,which you say is part of the learning experience. The closest Snape comes to answering questions is yelling at someone AFTER the explosion. This implies that they are better off WITHOUT Snape. Also, the book is being used in class, so it would be up to date, or Hogwarts needs to make another revision by updating the book list.

I'm not sure what point you're referring to with "Different standards are different." Please clarify.

Of course the pedo example is crap, it's supposed to highlight the flaws in the logic by being brash and obvious without an ounce of tact. Here's another example: Would you rather pay $5 for a decent meal, or eat out of the garbage for free? Also, as I mentioned, we don't know that Binns isn't getting paid, so the premise behind this point could be false.


Dumbledore is human, therefor he makes mistakes. I'm not going to list some of them, since that'll just give you more ammo for how I'm DUmbledore bashing. If you really want some of them listed, let me know.
And he did take responsibility; he protected it so well that nothing would have happened to it if not for Harry running after a mass-murderer.

Most of what he taught, he taught from the book anyway. So while he wasn't good at the practical, he was at least able to teach the stuff. And you don't have to be super good in practice to teach, anyway, so why not? It's not like DD's back was breaking under the weight of the number of guys looking for a DADA job.

Throwing in random stupid stuff that doesn't matter in a retarded attempt to make it look like DD isn't completely losing makes no sense and is stupid.

Since when did the entire class fail? That's bull.

Yeah, cause it's not like he teaches everyday for ten months a year; three days obviously means it must be the same for the other, what, three hundred? Yeah, no; retarded premise is retarded.

First of all, he probably did. But it's not like it really matters? In HP, they can regrow arms. In a day. It doesn't matter if you get a little hurt; you'll be fine before you know it. Also, there's really no point in that (though I think he did, in fact, say that), cause it became obvious very. And I don't think they started with the really dangerous stuff, anyway. How do you know Snape doesn't answer questions? It's not like Harry really asked, and we didn't actually see many Potion's classes. Also, biting peoples heads off when they blow stuff up after writing down exactly what they were supposed to do isn't exactly a bad thing. Out of date as in, Snape's had twenty years to get even better.

An elementary school teacher, a professor, and a drill sargent are held to difrent standards of 'nice'. The same is tue for Snape; in a society where stuff like that is acceptable, only yelling counts as pretty damn nice.

If he was getting paid, what would he do with the money? Also, he is a good teach; just boring, from what we've seen. A good teacher for free > a good teacher for money.

I like how you don't back p your argument. Yes, DD makes mistakes; he says so himself, multiple times. And this matters how?
 
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Harry, only failed History because he had a damn Vision during the exam. Everyone else did fine.
 

Garahs

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Your argument againts Dumbledore not being responsible for the stone is wrong because he purposefully brought it into the school, making it his responsibility. Maybe Raine is right, but that still means Dumbledore is responsible for it.
So he is. Now, let's see where that responsibility lands Dumbedore in trouble shall we? First, at the beginning of the school year, he advised all the students that that wing was forbidden. Therefore if any students decided to go there anyways, that means the student is to blame, not him. Funny how that works.

With Lockhart, it was clear within two classes, at most, that he didn't know what he was doing. If the kids can figure it out withing two hours, educated adults who are supposed to check those things should catch it.
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Guess how much universities pay attention to this... not much.


We've seen Binns teach three times, and all three times, he talks about the Goblin Wars. What are we supposed to think? If it was just one class, or he talked abotu something else in one of them, I'd agree, but every class we've seen has something to do with the Goblin Wars.
I can't tell you what you're supposed to think since there's not enough info. But then again, There's not enough info.

Really? I'm used to the teacher telling you to be careful, because screwing up can cause serious bodily harm being an important part of chemistry class. If Harry aced the class using Snape's notes, then why does he generally do poorly when Snape himself is teaching? Part of the reason is that Snape doesn't answer questions,which you say is part of the learning experience. The closest Snape comes to answering questions is yelling at someone AFTER the explosion. This implies that they are better off WITHOUT Snape. Also, the book is being used in class, so it would be up to date, or Hogwarts needs to make another revision by updating the book list.
And yet I don't recall a single student ever being seriously hurt in his class. It's already been mentioned that Snape's classes do better than expected. Don't forget that Hermione does well in potions, which means that the instructions written in the books are generally very comprehensive. Also, in year 6, it appears as though potions has moved beyond simple recipe instructions and into actual potion design, as shown by creating an antidote from scratch for a poison. Harry was essentially cheating by using a prodigy's (Snapes) notes. Works well for elementary work, not so much for the level the class was at.

Dumbledore is human, therefor he makes mistakes. I'm not going to list some of them, since that'll just give you more ammo for how I'm DUmbledore bashing. If you really want some of them listed, let me know.
Please do, it'll let us separate the true mistakes.
 

Tentrees

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Had this as part of the background of another fic but its what my idea of a Hogwarts would look like.

Caldera School
(or more Properly the Royal Academy of Magic and Science)

By Howard J. Howe


Retribution Day and the demolition.

With the changes to the world brought upon by the Change and the destruction of Hogwarts and the reorganization of the MoM, the Crown decided to fold the Hogwarts students and portions of the staff into RAMAS or the Caldera school in the Dragon Reach. The school and University itself are centered on a fifteen mile long and nine and a half mile wide dormant volcanic island but with several of its more volatile elements on smaller islands around the Reach.

Great Hall and School Rectory

This eleven story, oval shaped building is a thousand feet across and houses; a five hundred foot across circular Great Hall, the surrounding great Promenade and the old Commons. The commons is a four story open meeting area surrounding the Great Hall with suspended study/balcony/meeting areas. Then three stories of staff housing. The upper four stories are divided into a two level high series of stadium seating lecture halls for GSCS and A-Level courses not requiring lab space. All interior hallways around the great hall have sky lights providing natural lighting where ever possible throughout the dome. The staff levels have two decks worth of balconyÆs overlooking the Great Hall to accommodate staff dinning separate from the students, but still close enough to maintain order.

The Kitchen is located underneath the Great Hall along with seven levels of magical and mundane storage spaces and the extensive brownie housing. Plus a portal too the Sally Port for deliveries. No classes are held in this area and access is limited to the staff, Provosts and brownies. There is a small area open to all outside the entrance of the kitchens which after meals and in the dead hours that has leftovers and sandwich fixings on tables for those persons with the munchies. Students are never allowed in the kitchen.

6th Years and up or any student in a Mastery Program are not required to eat in the Great Hall/Rectory except at Feast Days and start of School Feast and may request a brownie (of which the school has several hundred and those families employing them are allowed to send one for every five students they have enrolled and staff may bring up to three of their own) provide a light meal anywhere inside the complex, except the labs and classrooms (unless a teacher gives a one time exemption for the classroom). Special meals may be served in one of about a hundred secluded places around the great Caldera for those dating/courting (for a reasonable fee, two to seven crowns for a dinner for two) or groups wishing a private meal while in a meeting or studying. Sandwich fixings on platters are available between meals in the Common areas of the student housing. Eating in student rooms is discouraged as is the consumption of too much candy, sugary and or caffeinated drinks or sweets.

No person who is of age or emancipated is required too reside on campus and may waive the housing fee for a annual round trip port key between their residence (or the nearest secure point) and the gatehouse at a nominal cost.

Student Housing

The student houses at RAMAS are administrative units without any special personality profiling (except to weed out predatory personalities from the school entirely). It was decided to follow the Elemental naming scheme to prevent the problems of the past.

ò Fire Hall û red/silver/fire
ò Earth Hall ûbrown/silver/earth
ò Air Hall û Blue/gold/air
ò Water Hall û Green/gold/water
ò Metal Hall û silver/metal
ò Windsor û red/blue/silver

Windsor is the undergraduate quarters for 6th years and up (depending on career field and course tract). Student housing is found to the west of the Great Hall. There a visitor would find the three mile across glass-steel covered Caldera, from which the school takes its unofficial name. Surrounding the walls of this caldera are eight towers at the cardinal compass points. From the eastern position and going clockwise around the Caldera they are the Provosts tower, then Windsor house, then Metal, then Air, then the Astronomy tower, then Earth, then Water and finally Fire. The housing towers are not actually in the Caldera but are reached from a short tunnel in the Caldera wall to each of the towers with triple pivot doors at each end and two points within the access tunnel.

The connection to the Great Hall is between the Provost and Windsor Towers where the two domes are melded together, but can be separated for security purposes. The Inner Gate House is on the northern side of the juncture between the Great Hall and the Caldera dome.

Within the student housing units, two person rooms with full sized beds are normal for all first through fifth year students and are roughly twenty-one by fourteen in dimension. After fifth year students may live off campus, or are moved to the single person rooms in Windsor Tower or if applicable in married couples housing as desired.

Each room in the elemental towers has some provided furniture; a roll-top desk/bookshelf combination (with a mundane internet land line and a link too the schools Ethereal Grimoire) and a magical walk-in wardrobe each, along with a comfortable chair. Wardrobe and desk are secured with aura and foci locks that only the Headmaster, the school Provost, the Head of House or the DMLE with a warrant may override. Individual familial/blood Warding may be substituted but must comply with the legal requirements of Crown Magical Law and must be opened if a search warrant is presented by the DMLE or the above listed staff members request it as part of a formal inspection of the House or Houses as a whole.

Two dorm rooms share a bathroom with; two shower stalls, two sinks and a toilet. A bathtub with a separate changing area is available for every ten dorm sets and may be signed up for use after classes and on weekends in one hour blocks, as desired. A clothes hamper in the shared bathroom is magically emptied when closed and clean clothes hung on hook by the wardrobe at nights and fresh towels outside of the showers on a rack by the House Elves. Students are expected to maintain neat personnel areas and dorm rooms. Sheets are exchanged every Sunday and Thursday but may be put in the hamper if needed on other days.

All two room sets are single sex but will mix families. Families with a history of animosity may be in the same dorm but will never share a room set.
Policy is that twins of the same sex sorted to the same house may room together but otherwise families are split up to promote general socialization. Students can choose roommates (same sex only until after fifth year but betrothed married couples or those that find themselves expecting children are moved from the dorms to couples housing) and switch up to twice during the semester after the first thirty days. Each room set is warded against members of the opposite sex but there is no set areas for male or female students.

The lowest floor and one sub level of each two hundred foot across tower is for the House Common room. Each has a large fire pit and a display case near the Second Floor Head of House suite and office with an open assembly area in front near the triple panel doors connecting the towers access tunnel too the great promenade around the caldera. The rest of the level is group study tables and small areas for socialization. Beneath the towers and circling the caldera are the school utility conduits, work rooms to repair items and Brownie quarters for æguest staffÆ along with several large store rooms for items being left behind by students during semester breaks.

The five, two story dormitory blocks that fill the second through twelfth decks of each of the student houses. Access too the upper floors and suites is by two, 2.5 wide meter spiral staircases, both half way around the tower from the entry door and a set of transit circles connecting each two story ædeckÆ with the main commons and the doors out of the tower too the promenade.

Scattered around and in the walls of the caldera are the married/actively bonded student quarters and is available at request for those under marriage contracts from fourth year up. For privacy reasons these suites have semi-hidden access points between them and the Promenade.

Married Quarters have a master bedroom with a king sized bed, a large walk-in closet, a two sink master bath with separate shower and Jacuzzi (two-person) tubs. There is a study/common area and a second bedroom that can act as nursery if need-be and the common room has access to a private balcony hidden from the view of the towers or the Promenade. These quarters are separated from the rest of the school with aura locks (unless invited by a resident each time or keyed to pass the line only the Provosts and senior staff can gain unescorted entry).

There are also the Great House Suites (31 in all) available anytime a Scion or Lord is in Residence as student or Instructor. Decorating a Great House Suite is done by the House in question but opulence is discouraged for practicality reasons. Most settle for restrained elegance in their furniture and portable decorations. For security reasons the Head of a Great House may place or request his or herself, along with all or some of their dependents, be housed in a suite on request starting their novitiate years but has been granted to an incoming student for security or health reasons. Magical access too a Great House Suite is by Transit circle and invitation only from the Commons Areas, the Promenade or the Inner Gate House. Physical access varies from suite to suite but all have an entry point on the promenade even if itÆs portal linked. Staff may request access with a Provost triad in attendance.

Within the Caldera are several Dryad groves and a full community of the wood nymphs across the Island. Students are made aware of this as a percentage of the female staff and student population are these same dryads.

There is also the worlds largest private indoor magical botanical garden and magical creatures zoo. These are used by the Zoology and Herbology staff to teach the properties, care and support for these magical creatures and plants. Especially since much of the product of these areas is used for the Potions classes, the hospital and medical research.

Within the Caldera and around the Island there are also several score comfortable areas for small or intimate groups or simple areas to get away from the rest of the school, interspaced between the various herbology gardens and magical zoology exhibits. Across the University complex are several GazeboÆs for classes æoutdoorsÆ both in the Caldera and in other parts of the heavily warded island.

The School administrative block is located in a nine story tower above the Main Doors of the Great Hall as is the Provosts Main Office and a small fifteen bed Infirmary with a transit circle that the matron and the duty aurors can link to New St. MaryÆs, Healer Hall or the DMLE regional office.

The security of the school is impressive and to many observers paranoid. The School Security Monitoring Area, the security team (seven to thirteen constable-mages at all times) ready room and the Holding Cells are several stories underground (how far is not know to any member of the staff) through solid rock using magical air/water exchanges and has no physical exit (at least none not kept a secret of the Provosts office). This area is accessible only through a set of stand alone transit circles that can be linked to any circle in the school via Provost Override or too the RNMP regional office. There is an attached interview room in the holding area but no interrogation room and the school and provosts may not conduct interviews of felony suspects and must surrender all criminal case suspects for investigation and interviews.

The Security Monitoring Room has limited warded access and controls not only the surveillance and access systems but also the defenses and outer wards, there are at least three Provosts here at all times along with several techs.

Deep under the foundations are eleven separate power reservoirs each with 121 huge (seven meter across and twenty-one meter tall) soak stones and the massive synthetic heart stone. Attached too the Heart stone are huge Arithmetic calculators and power feeds and shunts to the massive focusable ward stones, SAC golems and numerous avatar golems. To boast the power of the stones, SAC golems and the wards over and above what could be obtained by wizard input and lay-line feeds there are seven Wyrm class Quanta generators on standby feeding low power into the ward stones at all times. Augmenting the magical generators is a massive geothermal electrical generator plant for the islands non-magical needs.

The wards for the school include several layers of defense that can be set for progressively worse levels of pain and during hostilities death wards may be activated.

Communications

There is no Owlry at RAMAS and all communication is by charmed mirror or mail sent out from a drop box in the common room each day. Mail was and is handled by a Royal Mail Service employee (at Caldera the school brownies have a few select members who are employed in delivering sensitive mail and specifically at Caldera to deliver the mail to students and the staff). Incoming mail is delivered directly to the desk of a student or a staff members office on a designated table after being screened for dark magics and contraband. Larger or sensitive shipments must be cleared through the wards by the staff member and a Provost Inspection team at the Salle Port.
Even with the inclusion of the English eight years after the Change there is still no owlry at RAMAS. The few Owls at the school work with the kneazel and cat population to keep the rats and other rodents and small animals in check or are familiars. Intra house and school wide there are charmed mirrors in most classrooms and offices for the staff. Each student and staff member is also issued a small hand mirror for personal communications and to call home as needed. The monthly service cost very little (four shillings) and may only be monitored by the Provost staff or the RNMP if a warrant is issued. The school staff is forbidden to monitor/withhold a studentÆs communications for any reason.

For emergency communications the schools mirrors, golems and paintings can be used to send warnings or alerts.

Classroom facilities co-located within the schools extensive warding around the caldera include û

Xenos-Dubious Technomancery Center for England (R&D)
The Premier advanced technologies center for technomagick research in Europe. Is located in a dome to the north of the Caldera and is only accessible from the gate house transit disks.

Artification & Enchanters Fine Arts Center
Traditional magical artification and enchantment facility. Basic too advanced; pottery classes, photography, painting, sculpture, fiber arts, wood working, crystal, metal and glassworks using both mundane and magical materials/methods. This is located in tunnels and workshops of the Calderas South wall.

Magical Zoology Conservation Center
CoMC from first year through Mastery level classes. Several large barns, twenty acres of paddocks and three lecture halls built on the site of the old Forbidden Forests Royal Game Keeper and Foresters Station and points across the New Territories with portal access too the RAMAS Gate House. Along with the paddocks for less dangerous magical creatures in the Caldera.

Gryffindor Royal Warmage Academy
ICW accredited center for mastery courses and for courses in Defense, for Great Britain. Seventeen Lecture Halls and eleven large scale simulators for training. Also used for first year through Mastery level classes in Defense. Specialized Dueling and or Combat magicks classes for third years and up are also taught. Direct Access to the Palestra next door and the gatehouse for exercises off campus in military reserves.


Healer Hall
The healer hall is a magical and mundane medical teaching facility for Healer and medic certification. Works with New St. MaryÆs, Oxford and Cambridge Medical Schools for crossover-tech/methods and gives basic class for all magical races in health and magical/mundane basic emergency and preventative medicine. It also has about seven hundred beds to supplement the Great halls limited dispensary and the Reaches population.

Herbology Center
Herbology and magical ecology, farming/forestry from first year through Mastery level classes. This includes the Caldera Greenhouse plus the entire land area of the island outside the Caldera. Includes several lecture halls with portal access too the RAMAS Gate House to various Magical Preserves and extensive workshops and storage areas. Supplies most of the potion ingredients for the Reach and a significant part of the schools material uses in potions and healing.

Alchemical Hall
A Potions/Chemistry/Biochemistry/Alchemy teaching center. A dozen lecture halls/work areas. Several score advanced lab cells and extensive stores and a world class crystal growth and several materials research labs in a nine kiva complex built outside of the Calderas south east quadrant. First year through mastery Courses and advanced research labs. Staff works in close conjunction with the Herbology and Zoology centers and the Healer hall on the uses of potions and their benefits and dangers.

Black Tower
Dark Arts Center for research into Dark too Black Magicks. From simple blood magicks too full Necromancery and Demonological Research. Located in one of the hundreds of spires outside of the Caldera proper and its entrance is by transit circle and it is Limited Access only and sub-warded...
Primary focus is on training aurors to recognize these threats and how to dispose of them in a safe manner. Know they Enemy is their Motto.
Secondary focus is for the training of Druidic magics for those following that religion.

Royal Magical Grimoire and Library
Research Center into ancient manuscripts and magicks available too all the colleges. From simply household spells, the healing arts through Necromancery and demonology plus information on many thousands of rituals from around the world.

The senior Librarian heads a staff of nineteen sentient magicals, the Binns Golems and a score of elves for the collection of nearly seven million items, from clay tablets to the latest ethereal books all added two score of cross referenced and interconnected school wide ethereal grimoires, spans both the muggle and magical world.

Level of access too information is based on classes being taken and or research being done. Much is available for independent study but necromancery and demonology arts are restricted access areas. Also present are all libraries from extinct family lines and many of their grimoires or donated materials from existent families.

The Palestra
The Palestra is a thirty hectare Greeko-Roman style gymnasium for physical conditioning and both armed and unarmed combat with or without magic located west of the Caldera. Includesà
ò an Olympic grade swim and dive center
ò extensive fixed/free weight and aerobics facilities for up to six hundred students at a time
ò A score of dojos for pankration or other unarmed combats and the various weapons masters as scheduled.
ò A basic and advanced muggle weapons facility (small arms and bow range) in the sub-level.
ò An additional 29 simulation rooms for Defense and arms practice.
ò Full Greeko-Roman bathhouse open for the whole campus area.
ò Surrounding the caldera are several graded running tracks and obstacle courses of various length.
ò There is a separate Quidditch dome south of the Caldera with seating for roughly fifty thousand.
ò Within the Caldera are two regulation football(soccer) fields, two cricket pitches and a rugby field to help promote teamwork and physical education.
Please note each house has a simple stretch-out and calisthenics area outside of their tower and across the Promenade in the caldera for the morning work outs not involving the martial arts or other structured classes. Attendance Monday thru Saturday is required. The Promenade around the inside wall of the Caldera is utilized as a running track for part of the school day and cross country trails are available in both the Caldera and around the rim of the surrounding island. These areas have a direct fixed portal too the Palestra.

MÚtis and Cassandra Hall
This Hall teaches basics through mastery levels of; Occlumency and Legilimancy and mental organization/shielding along side the more esoteric Divination, Mind Arts and Mind Healing classes. Usually students will meet in one of the quite gazebos inside the Caldera for their Mind-arts class. Divination is simply another symposium given in the evenings on a cyclical basis and provides an overview of its limitations and strengths versus for the majority of students while those with the true gift receive far more intensive training.

Siren Hall
Musical training and performance art (dance/theater) center. Several music recording studios and the offices and broadcast center for the WWN and WVN. Also has small section for training those rare skills involving music. There is a fifteen hundred seat theater and stage area for performances with live broadcast and recording capability.

Galileo-Copernicus Tower
The New Astronomy tower with two linkable planetariums of at least one hundred seats, five lecture Halls and several score offices for the observers. There are also several wide astronomical mezzanines for smaller telescopes in this dome located on the north side of the Caldera and extending up the side of the main caldera of Mt. DracoÆs slopes to the main observation domes with seventeen large multi-lens magical telescopes. Astronomy courses focus on the effects of the alignment of the stars and seasons on magic and the correct time for the application of ritual magicks.

Religious Ministries Center
Main Chapel is located inside the Caldera and several offices and small lecture and meeting halls are available for the religiously inclined, including a small Monastery and Abby at the Eastern rim of the Island. Also there is an active Druid Grove south of the Caldera along with an active Circle.

King Alfred and King Henry Hall
Law and government studies lecture and small group study areas with an attached legal library with many case histories and stand alone Ethereal Grimoire. The four lecture Halls have secure magical observation links to the Wizengamot Chambers/Parliament/ICW Chambers and the New Magical Bailey too observe public court cases.


Mendelssohn Hall
Genealogical Research Center. Master Genealogical records center for all of Great Britain, Scotland, Wales and Ireland, with linked access to Europe and the AmericaÆs centers and the Gringotts Master Blood Records File turned over from the Dwarves. Three lecture halls and two score of small research rooms and five private blood-heritage rite rooms.

Rothschild-Goldbrick Hall
Accounting and Banking Law (Human and Dwarf) lecture and small group study areas with an attached legal library with many case histories and stand alone Ethereal Grimoire.

Gaia Hall
Elemental-Natural Magicks research and teaching center with a score of small group study and research areas.

Holmes Hall
Royal Constable Mage courses and forensic science courses are taught here. Students are admitted to the Constable Auror course only after receiving an ICW accredited Mastery in Defense. The Forensic courses include materials for non magical criminal science degrees.

Feel free to comment or pt shot. Flames will be used to roast a marshmellow.
 

Lord Raine

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Royal Order of the. . . what?

Elemental naming schemes? Everything is related to royalty? I'm pretty enlightened as far as things go, but I don't want to see your masturbation, so kindly make it slightly less obvious.

I'm also fascinated that the Founders not only cared enough about a bunch of Muggle scientists to name things after them, but that they somehow managed to name things after people who hadn't been born yet.
 

Tentrees

Well-Known Member
#50
Lord Raine said:
Royal Order of the. . . what?

Elemental naming schemes? Everything is related to royalty? I'm pretty enlightened as far as things go, but I don't want to see your masturbation, so kindly make it slightly less obvious.

I'm also fascinated that the Founders not only cared enough about a bunch of Muggle scientists to name things after them, but that they somehow managed to name things after people who hadn't been born yet.
Sigh...

1-This is what Hogwarts was rolled into after the Crown got involved with the wizarding world in one of my fics.

2-Hogwarts itself is a rubble pile on the ridge overlooking Black Lake. After having been quite throughly sacked from highest spire to lowest dungeon. In other words this is the school that replaced it in one of my fics.

3-The Halls and towers were named by a couple of antiPureblood muggleborn wizards. They were named to show the Purebloods that not only were muggle smart but that they could do things. The Curiculum of the school is balanced. Not everyone can do every aspect of magic or science or are smart enough for the more advanced maths/magics. The campus and the linked complex was designed to Provide as wide an experence as possiable so that every student could find that niche they were good at.

4-The Crown also gave the school a Royal Charter as one of the schools that was rolled itno RAMAS was personaly funded by the Crown. Many of that schools students provided security for the Royal Household, the MoD and MI5W counter agents.

So anything CONSTRUCTIVE to add or are you just a flamer I can ignore?
 
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