Akamatsuverse How To Write An Author Avatar

byakuryuu

Well-Known Member
#1
Well, to begin with, this post is basically designed to be a collection on advice when writing an author avatar that concerns the Negima-verse. As I've been reviewing what NOT to do where it concerns SIs and AAs, I find myself slightly at a loss as well: I do not have a clue what TO do where it concerns inserting my own character into the Negima-verse. The point of entry was the easy part, but reception and reaction, I deduced would be poor if the execution of the character was poorly done.

So here I am, "Ikari Gendo's goofy nephew that is never spoken of", scratching the frontal lobe of my biological CPU in discerning right and wrong where it concerns inserting a character into the Ken Akamatsu's world. Advice is welcome.

tl;dr "What Do I Take Into Consideration In Writing In An Author Avatar".
 

wingthesword

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#2
The person's origin should be somewhere people are aware of but is not given much development.

For example we know that there were five graduates in Negi's graduating class. Negi and Anya take up two of those spots. That leaves three. We're never told if they're boys or girls we just know they exist. Having an AA or SI replace one of them wouldn't be all that difficult.

If you don't want to have to explain a past relationship with somebody just have them come from somewhere outside of their scope. For example Negi wouldn't know somebody from the Highschool division because all his coworker for the most part are from the middle school division.

Edit: Also where is that Rei pic from? TELL ME, SAUCE ME! haha lol, but seriously give me a sauce or link.
 

byakuryuu

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#3
Well, I'm working more to the angle of "Hormonal 14 Year Old Janitor Who Does Not Give A Flying Hoot". Any suggestions on how to pick that apart and NOT go the "Almighty Smirk At Bad Guys" angle?
 

byakuryuu

Well-Known Member
#4
Come on, guys, I'm very serious about this author avatar thing. Mary sue litmus test aside, I really would like input and advice on how to write one into the Negima verse, and making romance feasible without making my audience go "/facepalm".
 
#5
How to write an author avatar, in a few easy steps.

#1: Procure a large, heavy object. A brick is ideal.

#2: Smash it against your noggin.

#3: Repeat step 2 until you can no longer even consider writing an author avatar fic.
 

byakuryuu

Well-Known Member
#6
nuclear death frog said:
How to write an author avatar, in a few easy steps.

#1: Procure a large, heavy object. A brick is ideal.

#2: Smash it against your noggin.

#3: Repeat step 2 until you can no longer even consider writing an author avatar fic.
Ah, that's the thing though. I'm challenging myself here. I want to be able to write something that, although is made of a bland concept, would be, in fact, readable, enjoyable and form a base of catharsis for my readers. I'm not saying fixers or save-the-day characters, but... mayhaps a supporting role, scrutinizing tactician, or something that plain works.

I've read author avatars that actually have been well done, and would like to do so as well. But with this being a Shounen series, it's quite easy for me to be led astray with power-ups. I'm just asking for advice to make an author avatar/SI appealing to a reader, as well as understandable, as opposed to Paolini's "Saviour" archetype.

So, instead of dipping my toes into this particular ocean, I thought I'd ask for the guidelines you'd give an author avatar in this particular Verse.
 

Avider

Well-Known Member
#8
Well carrotglace's fic was pretty good until it got too convoluted. You might want to start there.

Let see, more concrete advice:

Stay the fuck away from the main plot. Chances are good that your readers, unless they followed you from your previous fics, clicked on the link to read the story because they want to read about the characters of Negima, not your author avatar and how he's so awesome/snarky/smart in comparison.

That is, if he's a supporting character, don't have him be directly involved in fighting whoever or whatever from the main series.

Negima has a large cast, plenty of room for unofficial side stories. Maybe if Negi is busy dealing with Fate, your author avatar could have his own enemies to fight with, something smaller, and most importantly, something that doesn't try to be more than the main character.

Your author avatar may be the protagonist of the story, but he ain't the main character, not at the start anyways. It is important to know your place.

I'm not saying you should write two stories, one involving Negi and one involving your avatar, just that to keep your avatar in perspective and scale in relation.

Here's an analogy, it's like writing about a war, except you're focused on maybe a grunt in some platoon and this is his story, with his conflicts being just one of the few battles in the overall bigger picture. Maybe a few backdrop to remind the reader that there is a bigger war going on, but the focus needn't be on the war as a whole.

After you establish the avatar, then you can slowly move him up to main character status, then he can deal with more significant events.

Then you can have epic whatever it is that you want.
 

byakuryuu

Well-Known Member
#9
@wing: I got this from a doujin page from my friend's imageshack. Basically, Zeruel is attacking the city and Shinji's... lost trying to get to Eva-01. So the Rei in my pic goes "I have a brilliant plan"; to which Fuyutsuki replies "REI HAS A BRILLIANT PLAN?!". Gendou, meanwhile, is performing swahili ritual dance to awaken Unit-01. It kind of cuts off after that, and my friend's imageshack is pretty much gone.

@avider: Wizard. Thanks for the advice. But a question: How do I work him into the main plot without being too rambunctious about it as a story goes on?
 

Lord Raine

Well-Known Member
#10
How To Write An Author Avatar, Please Insert $0.02
The way you do it, is you don't do it. This isn't a challenge, like a genderswap or something. This is the simple fact that, to be blunt, no one gives enough of a shit about you, personally, to be interested in knowing what you would do in any given universe. The only people who could pull off such an ego-driven trip of self-indulgence are people who have Fanhordes, like Lionheart or Fosfor. And even those would suck ass. They would just suck ass while having throngs of fanbois not-shutting-up about how they totally don't suck ass.

Also, this is an open-ended question. It belongs in General or Rant.
 

Avider

Well-Known Member
#11
It should come naturally if you start him on the small jobs and progressively graduate him to bigger and bigger stories.

What's lacking most is brand recognition. You just need to build that from the base up so that the reader can develop some kind of loyalty towards the character.

Hence, start small, work your way up, and don't try to overshadow the main character.

Done right and he could just insinuate into the main happenings without a jarring clashing edge. That is, make it go step wise, make it make sense. Why would the AA, an otherwise completely mundane person, be involved in anything of significant, and more importantly, why would he even matter?


The rest of the details vary according to the genre you want to write, the level of seriousness, i.e. whether it's a parody, crack, or MST vs a real fic, and the plot itself.


Often I see authors get confused by the fact that fanfiction starts with established settings and characters and so do not have to work to set who's who and what's what, so consequently apply that logic to their OC or their AA or their SI when they should keep in mind that most readers:

Don't know who the fuck they are and don't give a crap about them.
 

zeebee1

Well-Known Member
#12
I'd like to say that Carrot did it without relying on his fans. But Carrot did a SI, not an author avatar. But still, as Carrot is a member of the forum you could try to contact him for advice.
 

byakuryuu

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#13
Will do, folks, great to see some help here. Final question. Relationships: how would I go about giving a good impression with the main characters without a reader disliking the character himself? I don't want... say, for everyone to like him at the start, because that'd already be blatant wankfest-ing.

If you're wondering why I'm asking all this is because I've learned from past mistakes when inserting characters.
 

Elvarein

Well-Known Member
#14
Lets be honest. It is possible to write a good Author Avater fic. However, that does not say much, its like saying its possible that Trolls on the internet will become sweet nice people who make meaningful contributions and are kind to others. Its possible but very very unlikely.

Enough digression. I assume that you are writing a fic because you want it to be read and enjoyed by others. If it is only for yourself, then don't bother reading further. The key to writing a good Author Avater fic lies in getting your audience to care for your character. Choosing MSN makes it even harder, because of the plethora of interesting characters with very strong fanbases and a very likable main character who has all the right character traits. You need a very good hook and have to be very subtle in establishing your characters presence in the story.

The second key thing to remember is how you are inserting your character. The secret to this lies in avoiding replacing another character in the original story with yours. The easiest way to be successful is to simple use the universe as the backdrop and have your character make his way in a universe affected by the main character of the original work, before having them meet. You will attract lower interest at the start but it will not incite fan-rage. The alternate strategy is to simply replace the MC completely, but you will have an almost impossible task in crafting someone more likable as than the MC. In fact if you can do this you might as well write your own bloody story ;p (See Kieran's works on the Beast Lair where he created an Author Avater and a OC and was rather successful.)

The third thing, and perhaps the most important thing is that your character has to be real. It is difficult to connect to and enjoy a perfect character. People enjoy struggle as it reflects their life, how it is possible for the underdog to win. How a person changes and learns and strives before becoming great.

TLDR:
1) Getting your audience interested in your character
2) Avoid replacing or interfering in the main plot at start, before people start liking the character.
3) Character has to be REAL

You Sir, have chosen a very very difficult challenge, and I wonder how it will turn out ;p
 

zeebee1

Well-Known Member
#15
If you want specifics from the members of the forum who aren't writers you'll have to give some specifics. Writing an avatar is all well in good, but that's only the end result. It doesn't tell us what the actual purpose the character will serve.
 

Avider

Well-Known Member
#16
We've pretty much given all the help we can give without more info...like maybe a snippet or a general idea of where you're heading with this.
 

byakuryuu

Well-Known Member
#17
"Mashiro-senpai, I didn't know you worked here!" Nodoka sounded, catching the attention of the dark-haired young man. She walked up to him cheerfully, that cheer as permanent as ever, "The school hires their own students?"

"I need the money." the much taller student replied, splashing the floor unceremoniously, causing Nodoka to jump. He yawned lightly as the normally shy girl yelped, before offering her a small grin of apology, "So what're you doing here in the middle of the night, Miyazaki?"

"I - I left my textbook." she shyly twirled a leg, digging into the floor. However, as Watsuki raised his mop, incredulous (complete with expression), she hurriedly changed her statement, "I - I left a magazine of mine in the classroom."

Magazine? Could it have been...

"This one?"

Nodoka froze.

"Gundam SEED fan?"
Tomatoes: $0.30 per pelt.

Watsuki sighed as Negi rested under the shade of the tree beside him. His crossed legs shifted uncomfortably as the sun beat even harder upon the vast desert before him. He roughly back-headbutted his head against the bark, contemplating their next move. That kid Fate, whoever he was, had succeeded in tearing through the group like it was nothing.

He sighed, waiting patiently for Setsuna's return... then snapped to attention at a rough, loud, sound. The young man frowned, attempting to discern just what it was. He rose to his feet, makeshift desert cloak billowing. The wind had picked up, for some reason. He looked to the clouds; they were moving quicker... and then realized there was a spot of shade growing larger in the middle of the oasis.

"What the Hell - ?" his voice died towards the end as a titanic form crashed into the ground from the air.

He fell on his bottom onto the sand, wincing. A curse followed and died as a great shadow loomed over him, shielding him from the sun greater than the trees. He blinked stupidly; the urge to scream and his common sense had somehow deserted him as he dumbly stood still... and came face-to-face with a pair of great yellow orbs.

It was a Dragon.

Common sense came a-knocking.

"Exit, stage left."
 

Elvarein

Well-Known Member
#18
Hmm interesting. And not necessarily in a good way ;p This is a good example of tripping people's raeg flag. You use Nodoka who has a mild fear of guys at the start of the manga and who was a wall-flower. At the start she was rather shy in the manga and would not approach people, which is why her character development was so significant. This could be from later on in your story, but if you have it at the start its WILDLY OOC. And given how popular she is, it will incite lots of rage. Remember that people will always (at first) assume the worst.

Btw with regards to relationships, please remember to take it easy and remember how relationships are created IRL. In other words, you are introduced to others through mutual friends, people do not pour out their sob stories to someone they just met, etc These things take time and shared experiences. This is especially true of someone in different years. Try to remember how many people you knew outside your year at that stage of your life. Very very few except via your clubs.

Also, it would be a good idea to establish your character first and not let him be defined by his relationships with the canon charaacters and ease him in. For MSN this is especially important since their class is single sex. So sempai???? Wut?

Finally one very dangerous thing is to create a love-love relationship between your Author Avater and someone in the manga. Its the quickest way to get lynched virtually. For MHN this is a rather tricky mine field and any relationship has to be slowly grown and SUBTLE.
 

byakuryuu

Well-Known Member
#19
Elvarein said:
Hmm interesting. And not necessarily in a good way ;p This is a good example of tripping people's raeg flag. You use Nodoka who has a mild fear of guys at the start of the manga and who was a wall-flower. At the start she was rather shy in the manga and would not approach people, which is why her character development was so significant. This could be from later on in your story, but if you have it at the start its WILDLY OOC. And given how popular she is, it will incite lots of rage. Remember that people will always (at first) assume the worst.

Btw with regards to relationships, please remember to take it easy and remember how relationships are created IRL. In other words, you are introduced to others through mutual friends, people do not pour out their sob stories to someone they just met, etc These things take time and shared experiences. This is especially true of someone in different years. Try to remember how many people you knew outside your year at that stage of your life. Very very few except via your clubs.

Also, it would be a good idea to establish your character first and not let him be defined by his relationships with the canon charaacters and ease him in. For MSN this is especially important since their class is single sex. So sempai???? Wut?

Finally one very dangerous thing is to create a love-love relationship between your Author Avater and someone in the manga. Its the quickest way to get lynched virtually. For MHN this is a rather tricky mine field and any relationship has to be slowly grown and SUBTLE.
Ah, now THIS is golden advice. Appreciated. I think I have a geist of what I have to do, and what flags not to trip. I'll be back with you guys next week or the one after with a more... comprehensive layout. Thanks.

By the way, It's $0.30 per tomato. Not free. Pay up.
 

Elvarein

Well-Known Member
#20
Mmm payment, I believe that this bullet here is worth that much... or would you prefer the grenade? Thats definitely more than $0.30. Well the grenade it is.

Pulls pin, toss and duck

^_^

P.S. You will need to show his character through his interactions with his own friends as well. Remember stereotypes and cliches if used well are good templates you can use to create characters. It is all Variation on a Theme.
 

akun50

Well-Known Member
#21
Personally, if I were to make an AA or SI, here's my general suggestions. A lot of these tie into each other, but I broke them up to make it less wall-of-text-y:

1) The character should change situations. If he/she doesn't, what the fuck is the point of them being in the story or for there to even BE a story?

Maybe the early and/or big events won't shift too much, but if you're going to insert a character, an impact must be made, even if indirectly.

Otherwise, you're just typing the fucking story into text format and what's the point of that?



2) The character should have flaws that do pop up.

I'm not talking about what I call Failed Flaws, where the flaw only comes into effect when it would be 'funny', causes them 'comically' falling into a girl's breasts, only comes up when it would affect NOTHING or give them an opening to a relationship, as it would simply become an advantage or even a moot point.

It's all right if they overcome some flaws, like a language barrier, crass behavior, an inappropriate laugh, etc. but make sure they have at least one that sticks with them for the entire story.

And being angsty and/or emo for a scene or two DOES NOT COUNT. That's just whinging in a weak attempt to fake a flaw. If it's going to be a flaw, it has to last a good long while and make people NOT want to associate with them.



3) If they're going to affect the story, then things will affect THEM. Whether it's serious (Seeing people die horribly, falling in love, needing to find a place to live, etc.) or fluff (making friends, getting a job, attending school), everyone reacts to situations.

And if they don't, they should be called on it.



4) A good character should be wrong or out-of-the-loop at some point and if they're going to be important, this should be the case more often than just once per story.

No one is perfect, and a well-done AA or SI shouldn't be either. Let them fuck up if they WOULD fuck up. Don't be afraid to have the character suffer humiliation or injury.

At the same time, don't make them a fucking martyr, as that's just as obnoxious as being perfect. More so, in my opinion, because why write a story if you just beat yourself up and focus on how miserable you are.

They should have their successes, even if one or two of them get blunted as not being all that important (i.e. they aced the interview and get the job, but it's nooot that great a job; or they defuse a bomb, but find it was a joke bomb that some asshole sent up to paint the school red; etc.)



5) Leave room for character growth.

Writing powerful/fully developed characters can SEEM fun, but it's NOT.

They should not start/remain at their pinnacle (unless you're going to strip that away or have them outpaced later in the story), and they should be allowed to evolve a bit, maybe refine skills or their personality.

And don't be afraid to give them quirks that never really go away. (and remember that quirks aren't flaws or advantages, they're just... 'quirks')



6) Don't relegate the main character to sidekick status.

It's all right if the AA or SI gets to shine on occasion, but remember that just like in any decent series, not every character gets to be the lead or even be all that important in every arc.

One of the biggest gripes about any crossover, AA, or SI is that the original main cast stops being important or is rendered pointless.

Why have Scooby Doo crossover with Bleach if Scooby and the gang can't contribute jackshit and stand around stating the obvious (unless you're using it as a comedic tool to poke fun at stupid crossover concepts and/or point out flaws in one or both series)?

Likewise, don't make the rest of the cast completely pointless to your story. If they don't factor in, don't make them part of the story.



7) It might be a good idea to create extraneous characters specifically to fuck with your AA or SI or even to create a balance between your AA/SI and the original cast, perhaps something that either of you can deal with, even if it's more often your problem than it is theirs.

And make sure that you balance these characters so that people other than your AA/SI can deal with them. It might be tempting to make it so your character is the only one who can deal with them, but it should NOT remain the case throughout the story.

Some people bitch about too many original characters, but really, fuck them. Using the original cast in places where you need someone doesn't work most of the time, and is usually insulting to whatever cast member could fit in that situation.



8) The character should have/develop a solid goal.

Even if it's as lame as wanting to help one of the main cast members through their emotional turmoil; as tired as trying to date a cast member; or incredibly difficult/time-consuming (become a legendary mage when they're struggling to cast a basic light spell), give them something to work towards.
 

Lord Raa

Exporter of Juice Tins
#22
My point about writing author avatars may have already been mentioned, but I am too lazy to read through:

"Why should I care about your character?"

Seriously. Why should I care about the character you're inserting into this story/setting?

"Because he/she is a pilot/magician/magical girl/Dooberryfirkin!" doesn't cut it for me.

Admittedly, I am a callous man who laughs at things I see on /b/, so I might not be the best example for this, but my point still has some validity - why should the audience care about your character?

Why should I invest the time to get to know them? An interesting setting doesn't necessarily mean your story is going to be interesting.

Your character has to be interesting. Likeable is good too, but being interesting is more important.

I could add more, but I think I might be repeating myself.
 

Shaderic

Well-Known Member
#23
Well, on the note of actual Plot for your thing, I going to give some commentary.

In my personal opinion, a good AA should be able to snugly fit right into canon. All it's supposed to be is an OC based on yourself. In Negima, there are a couple of easy spots for a 'normal' alternate POV that might be interesting. Do something with an NPC from the Mars Vs. Mages thing. Sure, Yuna took fourth place, and some other guy took 7th, but it's a battle with magic being blasted everywhere and giant robots running amok with stripper beams. If you can't find a place in that for some OC to shine, you can hand in your writer card.

Another good spot would be the little net war with Chao's spammers. A POV besides Chisame's on that, or just snippets of it between the actual people involved ("Dude, it's shopped" "Like hell it was! I was there!") could be entertaining.

Basically, think of it as a Lower Decks episode. You're showing the events of canon from another angle. The main characters are generally only barely involved, but you're not outshining them or anything. You're creating a different character who's part of a different story that's happening at the same time. Their story is related to the 'Main' one, and the main one is related to theirs. But, they're both still different stories.
 
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