Ranma ½ "I'd rather chew my arm off than read that."
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Lawra, can you dial down hate for a moment? Just because he disagrees is no reason to rip into folks like that. Sure, the above it is just sarcasm, but you tend to be mean about it.
Edit: As to the original topic, I refuse to read any cross with giant robots, other than Gurren Lagan, Eva, and Code Geass. I just don't see the appeal. Ranma's skills don't translate in a useful manner (Eva and TTGL being exceptions, with CG there's enough groundside action to keep it interesting), so there doesn't seem to be a point to Ranma being there at all.
Edit: As to the original topic, I refuse to read any cross with giant robots, other than Gurren Lagan, Eva, and Code Geass. I just don't see the appeal. Ranma's skills don't translate in a useful manner (Eva and TTGL being exceptions, with CG there's enough groundside action to keep it interesting), so there doesn't seem to be a point to Ranma being there at all.
What about a G-Gundam cross where Ranma takes the place of either Domon or The Undefeated of the East-Master Asia? Honestly I'd love to see that cross, or perhaps have Ranma just train under Master Asia during his journey.
Hmm, I personally hate any crossover that requires Ranma to accept his curse in order to take over some role; that includes several magical girl fics and some others. Once I see that even being foreshadowed, I drop the fic. I might continue reading if Ranma isn't accepting the situation and continues to struggle to break the curse; I honestly believe that he would either go completely nuts or commit seppuku before accepting being something he isn't.
Hmm, I personally hate any crossover that requires Ranma to accept his curse in order to take over some role; that includes several magical girl fics and some others. Once I see that even being foreshadowed, I drop the fic. I might continue reading if Ranma isn't accepting the situation and continues to struggle to break the curse; I honestly believe that he would either go completely nuts or commit seppuku before accepting being something he isn't.
On the subject of fanwank looping characters, I'd be very, very happy to read a loop that did NOT result in a powering up of a character x-million times. The premise itself is really interesting and has loads of possibilities, but people just gloss over them for the 'MORE TRAINING TIME' part of it, which is kind of... Why not just make the character immortal and go back in time? Its exactly the same thing, but that would be too 'obvious' I feel.
Being fair, Innortal actually did do that first -- check out his No Need For Destiny if you want to see it done the other way. Stars Ranma and Nabiki, in fact.
Hmmm...
Ranma and giant sized robots.... Only ones that come to mind for me I like consistently would be NGE, Full Metal Panic, Robotech, I've seen at least one decent multi-cross with Sakura Wars. Same for Dual Parallel Trouble Adventure (really wish the one would be continued by Kijin).
Ranma and human sized robots.. a Ranma cross with normal sized robots or androids I've see fairly often, from Bubblegum Crisis to Cat Girl Nuku Nuku to Bubblegum Crisis to El Hazard. There are many I've liked.
For each... there are generally good and bad examples...
Other items that have come up in this thread...
Anyone using TTGL or Naruto in a story is a instant do not read flag to me. To date the only Naruto / Ranma crossover I ever liked was so overwhelmingly flamed by fans it was removed from the net. I've long since learned better than to bother trying now.
Anyone using DBZ and Harry Potter I will only read crossovers with Ranma, even then only sparingly, as most simply do not appeal. For Harry Potter I do not believe the series a good mix, or more to the point one that is generally done well... Main issue with DBZ is the writing of the power levels and igoring all the commentaries going 'Power Level 9000', which I've learned to despise.
Anyone using Sailor Moon I normally only read crossovers with Ranma, not any straight fan fiction for those series. However occasionally a rare story for Sailor Moon will come across my radar and I will enjoy it. I watch on the matchups... as I will not read a Ranma / Mamoru pairing, and almost without fail, a Ranma / canon Usagi pairing is unappealing without a *lot* of build up to the character. Not a matter of me disliking her as a character (I do), but I fail to see anything she has as a personality that would actually benefit Ranma.
A happy Ranma / Akane match is *not* grounds for a do not read flag to me, but unless it has a very good backdrop or plot and character buildup... It is not going to be believable to me, and I'm likely not going to enjoy it. I can allow for Ranma with most other members easier than I can for Akane. It just does not match my worldview.
Ranma / male. Very... very.... few have ever appealed enough for me to class as well written. Generally the author is eager to jump to the instant love, or has a ax to grind and match the match miserable to one or both.
Note this is not directed at any one forum member specifically, but a generalized statement.
You forget... this is May... this time every year a large percentage of the forum is borderline unreasonable and rude... I commented on it last year to little avail... I'm not bothering this year... I'm just going to be ignoring posts. I'm of the general opinion that going on line is not a venue to vent.
Ranma and giant sized robots.... Only ones that come to mind for me I like consistently would be NGE, Full Metal Panic, Robotech, I've seen at least one decent multi-cross with Sakura Wars. Same for Dual Parallel Trouble Adventure (really wish the one would be continued by Kijin).
Ranma and human sized robots.. a Ranma cross with normal sized robots or androids I've see fairly often, from Bubblegum Crisis to Cat Girl Nuku Nuku to Bubblegum Crisis to El Hazard. There are many I've liked.
For each... there are generally good and bad examples...
Other items that have come up in this thread...
Anyone using TTGL or Naruto in a story is a instant do not read flag to me. To date the only Naruto / Ranma crossover I ever liked was so overwhelmingly flamed by fans it was removed from the net. I've long since learned better than to bother trying now.
Anyone using DBZ and Harry Potter I will only read crossovers with Ranma, even then only sparingly, as most simply do not appeal. For Harry Potter I do not believe the series a good mix, or more to the point one that is generally done well... Main issue with DBZ is the writing of the power levels and igoring all the commentaries going 'Power Level 9000', which I've learned to despise.
Anyone using Sailor Moon I normally only read crossovers with Ranma, not any straight fan fiction for those series. However occasionally a rare story for Sailor Moon will come across my radar and I will enjoy it. I watch on the matchups... as I will not read a Ranma / Mamoru pairing, and almost without fail, a Ranma / canon Usagi pairing is unappealing without a *lot* of build up to the character. Not a matter of me disliking her as a character (I do), but I fail to see anything she has as a personality that would actually benefit Ranma.
A happy Ranma / Akane match is *not* grounds for a do not read flag to me, but unless it has a very good backdrop or plot and character buildup... It is not going to be believable to me, and I'm likely not going to enjoy it. I can allow for Ranma with most other members easier than I can for Akane. It just does not match my worldview.
Ranma / male. Very... very.... few have ever appealed enough for me to class as well written. Generally the author is eager to jump to the instant love, or has a ax to grind and match the match miserable to one or both.
Note this is not directed at any one forum member specifically, but a generalized statement.
You forget... this is May... this time every year a large percentage of the forum is borderline unreasonable and rude... I commented on it last year to little avail... I'm not bothering this year... I'm just going to be ignoring posts. I'm of the general opinion that going on line is not a venue to vent.
Lawra said:
Chuckg said:
There's a reason the Loops work best as comedies, yes -- comedy is the one genre where auto-win protagonists are still entertaining, because the point of comedy isn't that there's dramatic tension, its that amusing shit is going on.á? And curbstomps can be amusing, if given the right choice of target and method.á 
I tend to like the loops and not only the funny ones, I Like the galactica and the numbers on nerima ones, and while some of them do fall in the wankery category, most of them dont ask you to take them seriously.
But like I said it all depends on tastes.
What I can't stand about many so-called crossovers is that they'll rip Ranma out of his Nerima and throw him alone into whatever new setting the author chose. To me that make as much sense as taking Judge Harold T. Stone out of Night Court and throwing him into Designing Women!
Or as Tom Cruise pointed out in A Few Good Men, Colonel Jessup took his bag and made some phone call even just for a weekend trip. It has to have more than just Ranma to be a working crossover.
On the other hand, take Ranma and Nabiki and put them anywhere and I'll read it. :sweat:
As far as what other stories are workable crossovers, I've always thought of Ranma 1/2 as very flexible. No other manga/anime is so amenible to crossing with another. Which is not to say there aren't any limits, no sir!
The first barrier is, as always, what shows/stories the reader has watched/read. I have trouble with Nanoha crossovers because I've not watched the show. While this is not insurmountable, it does mean the author has to explain things that, in fanfiction, many writers take as a given.
Next, a Ranma crossover needs Ranma as the center character, I mean as the story's balance point. Ranma has to be the one on whose actions the outcome of the story depends. This doesn't mean he has to be the most powerful, but that his power level and skill set are uniquely important.
Which is why you can cross Ranma with Sailor Moon, the Senshi are more powerful but lack Ranma's skills or training; but not Dragonball Z, being a universe full of superpowered martial artists.
Of course any guidelines are totally subjective to the writer's ability. A good writer can spin gold out any crappy idea; while even the golden seed will turn into turd if the writer can't even manage the two line summary under the title without failing a spellcheck.
Or as Tom Cruise pointed out in A Few Good Men, Colonel Jessup took his bag and made some phone call even just for a weekend trip. It has to have more than just Ranma to be a working crossover.
On the other hand, take Ranma and Nabiki and put them anywhere and I'll read it. :sweat:
As far as what other stories are workable crossovers, I've always thought of Ranma 1/2 as very flexible. No other manga/anime is so amenible to crossing with another. Which is not to say there aren't any limits, no sir!
The first barrier is, as always, what shows/stories the reader has watched/read. I have trouble with Nanoha crossovers because I've not watched the show. While this is not insurmountable, it does mean the author has to explain things that, in fanfiction, many writers take as a given.
Next, a Ranma crossover needs Ranma as the center character, I mean as the story's balance point. Ranma has to be the one on whose actions the outcome of the story depends. This doesn't mean he has to be the most powerful, but that his power level and skill set are uniquely important.
Which is why you can cross Ranma with Sailor Moon, the Senshi are more powerful but lack Ranma's skills or training; but not Dragonball Z, being a universe full of superpowered martial artists.
Of course any guidelines are totally subjective to the writer's ability. A good writer can spin gold out any crappy idea; while even the golden seed will turn into turd if the writer can't even manage the two line summary under the title without failing a spellcheck.
To me, those work as long as you bring in the rest of Nerima. For instance, Ranma making Keiichi's wish to Belldandy would work because you would be adding Bell to the Nerima mix. Her presence would drastically change how things work out, and she also has the respect for life that she wouldn't overpower the many challenges that Ranma would face because they would be far below her level.
Likewise, Ranma works replacing Keitaro when you have the rest of the Wrecking Crew to show up. Happosai in the hotsprings, random magic artifacts via the amazons, crazy martial arts fights breaking out, it all works and changes things to make it unique. The issue is really when Ranma is the only new factor.
Likewise, Ranma works replacing Keitaro when you have the rest of the Wrecking Crew to show up. Happosai in the hotsprings, random magic artifacts via the amazons, crazy martial arts fights breaking out, it all works and changes things to make it unique. The issue is really when Ranma is the only new factor.
That's... not that great, really. Certainly, a crossover should do more than just write everybody but one person in one reality off, or at least have some really convincing arguments, but you shouldn't just throw two series together totally and let nothing of significance change, either. Neither should you just rehash one cannon in a different setting, either.
I can handle a one-way if its explained in the story. Example: Ranma is the new manager of the Hinata Sou, but none of the other Nerima Wrecking Crew are along for the ride is because he's deliberately hiding from them all. Ran out of Nerima because he couldn't take it anymore, happened to bump into Granny Hina, she took pity on him for whatever reason and set him up with this, and so he's got a new job, new address, and is praying to God that none of his fiancees, relatives, or friends follow him there. Is why none of them are showing up, he's deliberately moved with no forwarding address.
Then he finds out the entire dorm is full of women, and most of them are insane... although to be fair, to a guy used to the Fiancee Brigade, the Hinata's residents are relatively benign. Which might well be why Granny Hina hired him for the job...
But, my point is, a 'only one cast member crossed over' can be made to work, if the author puts some effort into it. So its not an automatic down-check to me. Like anything else, if not handled well, then its time to pull the ejection seat handle on the fic, yes.
Edit: Irrelevant (if amusing) dialogue snippet removed. We're getting close enough to OT, much as my random attacks of comedy would like to differ.
Then he finds out the entire dorm is full of women, and most of them are insane... although to be fair, to a guy used to the Fiancee Brigade, the Hinata's residents are relatively benign. Which might well be why Granny Hina hired him for the job...
But, my point is, a 'only one cast member crossed over' can be made to work, if the author puts some effort into it. So its not an automatic down-check to me. Like anything else, if not handled well, then its time to pull the ejection seat handle on the fic, yes.
Edit: Irrelevant (if amusing) dialogue snippet removed. We're getting close enough to OT, much as my random attacks of comedy would like to differ.
I hate crossovers where the protagonist from one series gains the abilities of the protagonists in the other series. For example Ranma/X-Men and Ranma is a mutant, or Ranma/Harry Potter and Ranma suddenly gains the ability to cast magic. Those really piss me off because Ranma doesn't NEED a power boost. It's even worse with a Harry Potter/X-Men crossover because one of the most powerful Marvel characters is Dr. Strange and he doesn't need a mutant power to kick a lot of ass... just his magic.
I would LOVE to read a story where there is no power boosting of the hero getting thrown into the other series.
Damn it, give me a Ranma/X-Men crossover where Ranma just has his martial arts abilities! He doesn't NEED a fucking mutant power!
I would LOVE to read a story where there is no power boosting of the hero getting thrown into the other series.
Damn it, give me a Ranma/X-Men crossover where Ranma just has his martial arts abilities! He doesn't NEED a fucking mutant power!
This.
I once read a Ranma/Hellsing crossover that basically just fused Alucard and Ranma.
:no:
Also, crossovers that do not take the characters' quirks into consideration. Ranma/Rosario+Vampire for example. You can do the basic set up of Ranma meets Moka, but you'd have to also consider how Ranma's personality would handle things. For example, Ranma could just catch Moka coming off the trail, since she's giving out so many warnings of her impending approach. He wouldn't be so overwhelmed by Moka's beauty, and he wouldn't invoke The Nosebleed that lead up to Moka feeding on Tsukune for the first time.
Even if you manage to get blood involved, his handling of the situation would be vastly different. Tsukune sucked up it because Moka was cute. Ranma, I don't see him taking that lying down. Unlike Akane, the biting bit would be his first impression of Moka, and that's likely to drive a wedge between any pairing of the two.
And of course, that's just if he's male when arriving at Yokai Academy. Female, likely a different (and potentially yuri-ish) story altogether.
At any rate, Ranma running in the main character slot instead of Tsukune will mean the appearance of Inner Moka could be delayed to not appearing at all, which would drastically alter canon right then. After curbstomping Saizo, rumor mills start churning out that Ranma's a vampire, which has Kurumu's full attention and instead of a petty revenge against Moka for ruining her plans to make a Yokai Harem for herself, she focuses mostly on Ranma while attempting to have Moka put out of the way somehow. Ranma's status as vampire is going to draw more attention from guys like Rikishi as well as the Monstrels, particularly Mido who can't wait to test Ranma's mettle. Depending on how Ranma and Moka are perceived out, this could introduce a lot of kidnappings. And that's nothing to say of Ranma characters that can show up here -- Ryoga, Shampoo, Happosai, etc. Imagine, Shampoo losing to Gin and she declaring him her husband, Ryoga being thought of as an oni and living in true fear of various students capturing him and eating him, Happosai using Moxibustion on Ranma and Kuyo's been informed that Ranma's really just a human... :evil2:
So many directions you can go, so much you can do with all that raw material...!
And authors generally rehash the setting's canon with a different main. :no:
I once read a Ranma/Hellsing crossover that basically just fused Alucard and Ranma.
:no:
Also, crossovers that do not take the characters' quirks into consideration. Ranma/Rosario+Vampire for example. You can do the basic set up of Ranma meets Moka, but you'd have to also consider how Ranma's personality would handle things. For example, Ranma could just catch Moka coming off the trail, since she's giving out so many warnings of her impending approach. He wouldn't be so overwhelmed by Moka's beauty, and he wouldn't invoke The Nosebleed that lead up to Moka feeding on Tsukune for the first time.
Even if you manage to get blood involved, his handling of the situation would be vastly different. Tsukune sucked up it because Moka was cute. Ranma, I don't see him taking that lying down. Unlike Akane, the biting bit would be his first impression of Moka, and that's likely to drive a wedge between any pairing of the two.
And of course, that's just if he's male when arriving at Yokai Academy. Female, likely a different (and potentially yuri-ish) story altogether.
At any rate, Ranma running in the main character slot instead of Tsukune will mean the appearance of Inner Moka could be delayed to not appearing at all, which would drastically alter canon right then. After curbstomping Saizo, rumor mills start churning out that Ranma's a vampire, which has Kurumu's full attention and instead of a petty revenge against Moka for ruining her plans to make a Yokai Harem for herself, she focuses mostly on Ranma while attempting to have Moka put out of the way somehow. Ranma's status as vampire is going to draw more attention from guys like Rikishi as well as the Monstrels, particularly Mido who can't wait to test Ranma's mettle. Depending on how Ranma and Moka are perceived out, this could introduce a lot of kidnappings. And that's nothing to say of Ranma characters that can show up here -- Ryoga, Shampoo, Happosai, etc. Imagine, Shampoo losing to Gin and she declaring him her husband, Ryoga being thought of as an oni and living in true fear of various students capturing him and eating him, Happosai using Moxibustion on Ranma and Kuyo's been informed that Ranma's really just a human... :evil2:
So many directions you can go, so much you can do with all that raw material...!
And authors generally rehash the setting's canon with a different main. :no:
There's a handfull of things I won't read.
Anything with Twillight in it. Anything with Anita Blake in it. Any Slash. (And, yes, I consider Ranma/guy to be slash) I don't even like most yuri, although I will read it, at times. The main exception to the yuri rule, is something like Buffy, where it's canon.
Apart from that? Anything is possible.
Anything with Twillight in it. Anything with Anita Blake in it. Any Slash. (And, yes, I consider Ranma/guy to be slash) I don't even like most yuri, although I will read it, at times. The main exception to the yuri rule, is something like Buffy, where it's canon.
Apart from that? Anything is possible.
In my case it's anything crossing with The Wheel of Time series. I have nothing against the seires itself, but it's rules are so specific and many I can't see most people getting them right. Especially when trying to merge it with another series.
Another is anything that crosses into Warhammer 40k, World of Darkness, or any specifically dark series. I prefer stories where the good guys aren't either "good" only in comparison to the "bad" guys, or automatically doomed to a miserable life and painful death.
Another is anything that crosses into Warhammer 40k, World of Darkness, or any specifically dark series. I prefer stories where the good guys aren't either "good" only in comparison to the "bad" guys, or automatically doomed to a miserable life and painful death.
Ummm... Wheel of Time and Ranma is considered generally one of those cursed combinations....
Normally, all such crossovers are dead. Only one ever completed, though that is only the 1st and 2nd arcs. It has been stuck at its current 3rd arc at one chapter for some time since the author switched stories.
Normally, all such crossovers are dead. Only one ever completed, though that is only the 1st and 2nd arcs. It has been stuck at its current 3rd arc at one chapter for some time since the author switched stories.
I have no interest in reading about Ranma in vampire fiction settings. Werewolves are hardly any more compelling. Nor are any other classic movie monsters.
Crossing Ranma with the Potterverse strikes me as a colossal waste of time and I want nothing to do with that either.
I'm essentially sick of Sailor Moon crosses, especially fuku fics.
The mess that is the Tenchiverse in all its forms is simply repellant.
Naruto is a massive pile of failure which I want little or nothing to do with.
Stories where Ranma is matched with male characters sicken me beyond words, whether Ranma is female in the story or not. I wish people who liked reading and writing that crap would drop dead. And I no longer have any patience for yuri fics involving Ranma's female form either.
I'm getting tired of fics that exist only to bash whichever characters the writers don't like.
If I think of anything more that I dislike, I'll edit it into this post.
Crossing Ranma with the Potterverse strikes me as a colossal waste of time and I want nothing to do with that either.
I'm essentially sick of Sailor Moon crosses, especially fuku fics.
The mess that is the Tenchiverse in all its forms is simply repellant.
Naruto is a massive pile of failure which I want little or nothing to do with.
Stories where Ranma is matched with male characters sicken me beyond words, whether Ranma is female in the story or not. I wish people who liked reading and writing that crap would drop dead. And I no longer have any patience for yuri fics involving Ranma's female form either.
I'm getting tired of fics that exist only to bash whichever characters the writers don't like.
If I think of anything more that I dislike, I'll edit it into this post.