If ninjas knew physics

ttestagr

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#26
And it took two for Neji to kill Kidoumaru. If you look at the manga, he attacked through the arrow almost immediately after he was hit. It was also something that Kidoumaru hadn't seen yet and didn't know he had to defend against. I got the feeling that Neji hadn't thought of it until right before he got hit, and he is the one with the knowledge about Hyuuga jutsu.
 

Zenithos

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#27
Nevermind that the Hyuuga are *able* to kill with one hit.?
Good point, but the 'one hit' would normally be a direct 'soft' attack. Kidoumaru should be an expert at manipulating internal chakra flows, judging by the fact that he could spin chakra-infused webs. If he got hit by a chakra attack coming up one of his own threads, he should be able to stabilize the chakra flow in his own body and prevent damage to his internal organs.

Well....that's just my opinion off course. My logic isn't worth a cent, so heck, feel free to ignore it. :snigger:
 

Moshulel

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#28
Zenithos said:
Good point, but the 'one hit' would normally be a direct 'soft' attack.
True, but we're not talking only about Kidoumaru here. It's also interesting that the Hyuuga need to touch their enemy 64 times in one of their most prized tehniques. Why bother when you can kill the enemy so much more efficiently?

Meh...Bakamoto's logic evades me. <_<
 

Mereo Flere

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#29
Sometimes, you just want to restrain an opponent. It's very useful to keep them captive...if you didn't have other options.

But...yeah, instead of killing them, couldn't you just do a one hit knock out?
 

OniGanon

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#30
With extreme pain, a weakened body, and disabled chakra, it's pretty much guaranteed that the target won't be a threat for a while, and can be captured and/or interrogated fairly safely even if they're conscious. That and it's a good way to show off.

Besides that, let's remember Neji regularly fights Rock Lee. Rendering Rock Lee unconscious doesn't give so much advantage.
 

Mereo Flere

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#31
OniGanon said:
Besides that, let's remember Neji regularly fights Rock Lee. Rendering Rock Lee unconscious doesn't give so much advantage.
That, sir, is perhaps the best explanation I might ever hear.
 

Jakkun

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#32
Using chakra powered weights won't do jack shit for Lee since he can't use chakra that way. What I want to know is why didn't he hurl those things at enemies? They can easily make holes in people or decapitate them. They would be the equivalent of cannonballs, which got messy.
 

raedric

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#35
ttestagr said:
jaredstar said:
some ninjas in naruto can fly? remember the star village arc
Anime event, it didn't happen.
Ha, I like the way you think. I actually tried watching the Naruto anime...I really did...Subbed was only a little sucky, and couldn't watch dub after the 3rd "believe it" and lack of blood.
 

ttestagr

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#36
Most of my experience comes from fansubs. I just don't like it, though the official release is many times more horrible.
 

raedric

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#37
Its all about the "lesser of two evils." The first time somebody watches a subbed anime, they cringe because they don't understand the language. Than they watch an anime dubbed with an interesting premise, and it gets thoroughly butchered. Eventually, they see a sub and they're all "OMG! BLOOD!" I know I probably wouldn't watch so many subs if they had people who could dub the reasonably. Hell, I didn't mind dubbed DBZ when it first came out, until I saw what I was missing. And now I just don't like it because of the whole "I can blow up the world when I sneeze thing." Goku has a bad dream, bye bye earth. Oh wait, magical balls can bring it back! :wacko:
 
#38
Using chakra powered weights won't do jack shit for Lee since he can't use chakra that way.
Says who? He specifically can't use ninjutsu or genjutsu. He can, however, use pure chakra. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he could do the Rasengan or use the Juken... shoving chakra into something is nothing major.

I thought Rock Lee standing on water was one of the few moments of win in PTS Naruto. Every time I saw someone saying Rock Lee couldn't use chakra, I wanted to bitchslap them for it (he used chakra plenty in his fight against Gaara). Seeing Lee do that made me happy, because it was like a giant honkin' kick in the face to the people who ignored that he was already using chakra in part one.

That moment specifically proved that it was just ninjutsu and genjutsu that he couldn't use. Pure chakra techniques, on the other hand, aren't beyond him. :yay:
 

GenocideHeart

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#39
Mr. Mysterious said:
Using chakra powered weights won't do jack shit for Lee since he can't use chakra that way.
Says who? He specifically can't use ninjutsu or genjutsu. He can, however, use pure chakra. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he could do the Rasengan or use the Juken... shoving chakra into something is nothing major.

I thought Rock Lee standing on water was one of the few moments of win in PTS Naruto. Every time I saw someone saying Rock Lee couldn't use chakra, I wanted to bitchslap them for it (he used chakra plenty in his fight against Gaara). Seeing Lee do that made me happy, because it was like a giant honkin' kick in the face to the people who ignored that he was already using chakra in part one.

That moment specifically proved that it was just ninjutsu and genjutsu that he couldn't use. Pure chakra techniques, on the other hand, aren't beyond him. :yay:
Um. No. Gai specifically states that Lee can't mold chakra properly. He can still USE it, but beyond standing on water (which doesn't require molding it, it just requires pushing it out at a steady flow), he's limited to using it as fuel to make himself stronger and faster.

Jyuuken is an art that lets you mold chakra in a form that will damage the opponent's chakra coils. If it just shoved chakra in, anybody who drew a huge amount of it would be crippled in seconds - chakra by itself doesn't damage in the Jyuuken, it has to be molded in a form that can cause damage, which Lee can't do due to being unable to mold it.

Not to mention that if Lee COULD apply the Jyuuken's basics to his style, he would. It'd still be different enough that it's not a total ripoff. Yet, you don't see him do anything more complicated than a simple chakra control exercise.

And the Rasengan is a giant molding and control exercise on crack. You have to make the chakra spin in exact directions while molding it into its characteristic spherical fashion and compressing it so that it explodes outward upon contact - it's equal parts control and molding, and thus half of it can't be done by Lee, period.

Lee could probably unleash chakra versions of some ki attacks you see in videogames, like the Kaiser Wave used by Krauser (which is simply a wall of raw, shapeless ki launched through the hands), but anything that
 
#40
I'll just point out that I can think of at least one way the Juken could work on raw chakra. It's the same basic concept as a bullet. In the coils and tenketsu, the chakra is directed in a naturally fortified environment that is made specifically to allow the movement of chakra without causing unnecessary harm. When introduced to the body in its raw form at a rapid pace, which the Juken does, the power and energy rips through the unprotected flesh and organs. The Juken, to me, sounds like a chakra bullet.

And the both the primary and secondary lotus seems to use molded chakra... otherwise there is no logical explanation for how he could almost mummify someone, in order to pull it off.

As for it not being done... that isn't a valid explanation. Naruto not knowing the Kage Bunshin sends back anything the clones learn pretty much negates it all the way around. Lee could just not have thought to do it, or the benefits might not be worth it for his style.

Anyway, yeah. I disagree... but I won't argue the point further.
 

ttestagr

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#41
GenocideHeart said:
Um. No. Gai specifically states that Lee can't mold chakra properly. He can still USE it, but beyond standing on water (which doesn't require molding it, it just requires pushing it out at a steady flow), he's limited to using it as fuel to make himself stronger and faster.

Jyuuken is an art that lets you mold chakra in a form that will damage the opponent's chakra coils. If it just shoved chakra in, anybody who drew a huge amount of it would be crippled in seconds - chakra by itself doesn't damage in the Jyuuken, it has to be molded in a form that can cause damage, which Lee can't do due to being unable to mold it.

Not to mention that if Lee COULD apply the Jyuuken's basics to his style, he would. It'd still be different enough that it's not a total ripoff. Yet, you don't see him do anything more complicated than a simple chakra control exercise.

And the Rasengan is a giant molding and control exercise on crack. You have to make the chakra spin in exact directions while molding it into its characteristic spherical fashion and compressing it so that it explodes outward upon contact - it's equal parts control and molding, and thus half of it can't be done by Lee, period.

Lee could probably unleash chakra versions of some ki attacks you see in videogames, like the Kaiser Wave used by Krauser (which is simply a wall of raw, shapeless ki launched through the hands), but anything that
Gai never said that Lee couldn't mold chakra properly. He says that it isn't Lee not using ninjutsu, but that he can't use ninjutsu. Then he says that Lee has no skill in ninjutsu or genjutsu and is trying to become a ninja with just taijutsu. Chakra never even entered the conversation, much less Lee's ability to mold it.
 
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