Naruto Invent a Rasengan Derivative!

[nixofcyzerra]

See thread title. Naruto's been coming up with different Rasengan and Rasenshuriken's derivatives like it's going out of style, but I'd like to see what nTFF can come up with when they put their minds to it. Try to explain the mechanics behind the Jutsu, and bonus points if what you come up with doesn't use either Sage Chakra or Kuruma's Chakra, or involve Shadow Clones in the execution. More bonus points if you have a paragraph describing how Naruto came up with the idea for it.

To start us off, here's some of mine, along with a couple, including the first one, that I mentioned in another thread:

Naruto learns to manifest Rasengan on his elbows, knees and parts of his feet as well as his hands, and works with Gai to produce a horrifyingly effective Taijutsu style. Shirotsume suggested Muay Thai, which I honestly wish I'd thought of first. Also, there's a Tenketsu on the forehead, judging by the leaf concentration exercise, so Rasengan on the forehead for headbutts as well! And if that's still not enough kill for you, and as anyone stupid enough to fight Naruto close-up while he's using this fighting style will aim for the parts of the body not covered in Rasengan, revise and apply Asuma's Flying Swallow as a full-body technique, to the parts of the arms and legs between the joints. Congratulations! Your Naruto is now a slicing, dicing and drilling death on legs! Now it just needs a better name than the Rasen-ken.


Naruto thinks back to all the times he and Sasuke had a Rasengan vs. Chidori clash, and wonder why, if the regular Rasengan is still supposed to be the superior Jutsu, all of the clashes ended in what were essentially draws. (Seriously, has there ever been an explanation for this? I know the Rasengan did more damage to the water tower, but do you really think that anyone without a healing factor is going to get up after a Chidori?) He thinks about it for a while and then comes up with what he believes to be a possible explanation. The Chidori is a piercing technique, and all of their clashes involved them charging at each other. Sasuke always had a run-up, which would be more helpful to a piercing Jutsu than a drilling one!

Thinking on a solution to this, Naruto changes the shape of the Rasengan from a sphere to more of a conical shape, trying to make it a technique that both pierces and drills. While Naruto tries out this modification by attacking a Kage Bunshin, the clone dodges the attack and kicks Naruto in the face. Ignoring this blatant insubordination, Naruto realises that he's suffering from the tunnel-vision that Kakashi spoke of when talking about the Chidori. Trying to figure out a way around this problem, Naruto eventually remembers Sasuke's Chidori Sharp Spear, and figures out how to manipulate the shape of the conical Rasengan even further, quickly increasing the angle of inclination to suddenly extend the point of the cone by an arm-length. He attempts this while charging the shadow clone again, and this time successfully impales the clone, due to the abrupt increase in length surprising him. Naruto dubs his new technique the Rasengan Lance.


Naruto decides that, as cool as the Rasengan is, it would be even cooler if he could throw it. After some experimentation, involving creating a Rasengan and then pushing it away by emitting a burst of Chakra from the hand holding the technique, much like a souped-up version of the Water-Walking exercise, Naruto realises that although the Rasengan is self-sustaining once "revved up," throwing the technique causes the rotation to rapidly slow down, to the point where it dissipates after only a few feet. (Note: the Tailed Beast Ball was noted to be extremely dense and concentrated, and the throwable Rasenshuriken was both a Wind Release and a Sage technique. I assume that's why they could hold together while being used as a projectile.) Inspired by a letter from Gaara, who mentions Kankuro's improvement, Naruto figures out a way to get around this limitation by mastering Chakra Threads, although the threads are thick to the point of practically being "Chakra Cables." Naruto, using a "cable" of highly concentrated Chakra with multiple rotations to help the Rasengan keep it's rotational speed up, creates the Rasengan Yo-Yo.


While idly experimenting with the principles behind the Tree-Climbing and Water-Walking exercises, i.e., the ability to emit either an attracting/adhering or a repelling force from any part of the body, the feet being the hardest part of the body to do so from, Naruto accidentally figures out the Manipulating Attack Blades technique that allows him to suspend objects within Chakra released from his hand over an area. Naruto wonders whether some of the Chakra in the area can be given multiple rotations within a stable sphere shape, and, after a lot of hard work, creates the "Manipulating Attack Rasengan" technique. Once the Rasengan are complete, they can be moved throughout the area of Chakra, giving the impression that Naruto is surrounded by floating Rasengan. This technique has both offensive options as a technique to supplement his Taijutsu, and defensive options, as Naruto can block and damage or even destroy thrown ninja tools by directing Rasengan into their flight path.


Naruto combines the "Manipulating Attack Rasengan" technique with the Rasengan Yo-Yo. This allows him to create several Rasengan, and then fire them as projectiles simultaneously. Incidentally, despite my best efforts, "Manipulating Attack Rasengan Yo-Yo Barrage" still isn't a longer name than the "Sage Art: Many Ultra-Big Ball Spiralling Serial Spheres" that Naruto uses when fighting Kurama.


After a conversation with his mother inside the seal, Naruto awakens his own version of Kushina's Chakra Chains. It only takes a little practise to create the Rasengan Flail. By creating a Rasengan and then sticking it on the end of a Chakra Chain. Duh.


Naruto, the respected hero of the village who is expected to be the next Hokage once he has a bit more experience under his belt, takes a Genin team. One of his prospective students is a Hyuga. Nauruto buys some rubber gloves that are slightly too large for his student, fills the fingertips with water and then ties them off with some string. Later he gives them some small circular chunks of a rubber ball he prepared earlier. Then he gives his student another pair of too-large rubber gloves with the fingertips tied off, only this time without any water. Congratulations, Naruto and his student have just invented Rasen-Juuken!


Naruto's Hyuga student is so grateful for all his help that they assist him in learning how to expel Chakra from all of his Tenkutsu simultaneously. Instead of spinning to create the Hyuga Kaiten, Naruto instead applies his knowledge of giving Chakra multiple rotations, to create his own "ultimate defense." After some minor clothing damage from Chakra rotating slowly around him, Naruto delegates finishing the Jutsu to several dozen Shadow Clones. Inspired by the name of one of his previous techniques, Naruto calls his new Jutsu the Rasengan Shield.


Armed with both the knowledge of his Tenkutsu's placement, and the ability to release Chakra from all of them, Naruto decides to develop another Rasengan variation based off a Hyuga technique, this time Hinata's Twin Lion Fists Jutsu, culminating in the development of the Rasengan Gauntlets. Like Hinata's Twin Lions, Naruto's Rasengan Gauntlets coat his arms up to his elbows, allowing for drilling by jabbing or striking with the front of the Jutsu, or causing shaving damage much like Samehada by attacking with the sides of the Gauntlets.


Naruto will eventually take his Rasengan Shield, and upgrade it with the principles behind the Rasengan Gauntlets to create a full-body Rasengan Armour Jutsu. It'll look a bit like Hisako Ichiki from the X-Men's Psionic Exoskeleton-Armour, back when it was blue (unless Manga-Naruto's Rasengan is yellow. Pretty sure it's not.) Again, many noble Shadow Clones will lose their lives in the process of Naruto mastering this technique.


Layering the Rasengan Armour with a Wind Release: Rasengan Shield, combined with another Jutsu (possibly another Wind-nature technique) as a means of high-speed propellant, creates a Jutsu that would have made Naruto as feared on the battle-field as the Hiraishin made his father.


Thinking back on the fight with Kakuzu, Naruto remembers how he and Yamato entered the battlefield using a Collaboration Jutsu, thinking to himself that although it looked impressive, it only really consisted of a water technique being fired into the Wind Release: Rasengan. Naruto wonders to himself what other Ninjutsu could be fired into the Rasengan and what the results would be, and then asks himself whether it even needs to be a Jutsu used by an ally. Could he use the Rasengan or a variation of it, to deflect or even reflect, his opponent's Jutsu? Assistance from Kakashi eventually proves Naruto's theory correct, resulting in the Mirror Rasengan, a slightly modified version that allows Naruto to capture an opponent's ranged Ninjutsu in the Mirror Rasengan's rotation, and then launch the projected Ninjutsu right back at them. Naruto theorises that a Wind Release: Mirror Rasengan would be able to amplify any captured fire Jutsu it captured and released.


...I had way too much fun coming up with these and writing them down.

 

[datakim]

Naruto thinks back to all the times he and Sasuke had a Rasengan vs. Chidori clash, and wonder why, if the regular Rasengan is still supposed to be the superior Jutsu, all of the clashes ended in what were essentially draws. (Seriously, has there ever been an explanation for this? I know the Rasengan did more damage to the water tower, but do you really think that anyone without a healing factor is going to get up after a Chidori?) He thinks about it for a while and then comes up with what he believes to be a possible explanation. The Chidori is a piercing technique, and all of their clashes involved them charging at each other. Sasuke always had a run-up!

Personally, I figure this is because rasengan is pure shape manipulation, while Chidori is shape AND elemental manipulation. Infact, is it fanon or did Kakashi actually say that he invented Chidori while trying to create a lightning based rasengan?

Anyway, I figure its like this. Lets say shape and elemental manipulation can both go from 0 to 10.

Rasengan is the pinnacle of shape manipulation, so it gets 10 there. However it has no element to it, giving it a big 0 there. 10+0=10.

Chidori has weaker shape manipulation, since Kakashi could not create a lightning rasengan (lets say 6 shape manipulation). However it also has elemental nature of lightning to it, lets say thats 6 too. 6+6=12. So even though Rasengan is better at one thing (shape), it loses overall to Chidori which is a bit worse at shape, but has an element to make up for it.

However, Naruto ultimately did manage to add a wind element to his technique. While it was only shown a few times, Naruto did invent Fuuton: Rasengan. That would presumably have 10 in shape manipulation, and say 6 in elemental manipulation. 10+6=16. If in their second chidori/rasengan clash, Naruto had used that, he would have taken Sasuke out easily (especially since wind beats lightning). He used basic rasengan however, because he was still unwilling to kill Sasuke.

For the record, since FRS is even better merger than the basic fuuton: rasengan, I would say that on my scale FRS would probably get 10 in both shape and element for a total of 10+10=20.

 

[nixofcyzerra]

It's flat-out stated in part 1 that the regular Rasengan is the superior Jutsu. Rasengan is an A-rank technique, while Chidori is a B.
I'm honestly thinking that part of it's the run-up. We've never seen a Rasengan-Chidori clash that didn't involve Naruto and Sasuke charging at the other and building up momentum, and I figure momentum would be of more help to a piercing Jutsu than a drilling/grinding one.

And yeah, I mention the Wind Release: Rasengan in my OP. I believe we see a flash-back to the aftermath of Naruto actually using one in a clash with Kakashi, who was using a normal Rasengan. IIRC, Kakashi's hand looked pretty mauled in the flash-back.

 

[Knyght]

Having an extra week or so without having any unusual shit going down, Naruto's decides that he liked the look of the Fuuton: Rasengan so much that he'd try it out with all the other elements. By the end of the week, Yamato's in hospital from severe chakra exhaustion and Konoha's missing a training ground. But in return Naruto's now got a Rasengan that can turn a target to dust, burn them to ash, destroy their entire nervous system and...rupture their cells?

But long before that he'd always been annoyed at how adding more power to the Rasengan made it bigger, to the point that he needed a carry to help use his Big Ball Rasengan. So he decided create a version that held all the power without being over-sized. The result was the Little Ball Rasengan that held all the power of its larger but compressed until it was smaller than the regular kind.

And remembering his experiences in learning the Rasengan in the first place, he decides to work from the first step. Rather than making the chakra in multiple directions, it just moves in one to create a spinning disc of chakra. It makes for an interesting cutting attack without the user of chakra as well as a convenient shield.

Naruto thinks back to all the times he and Sasuke had a Rasengan vs. Chidori clash, and wonder why, if the regular Rasengan is still supposed to be the superior Jutsu, all of the clashes ended in what were essentially draws.

I assumed it was just because of their respective shape and movement which causes them to cancel one another out despite one being superior.

Personally, I figure this is because rasengan is pure shape manipulation, while Chidori is shape AND elemental manipulation. Infact, is it fanon or did Kakashi actually say that he invented Chidori while trying to create a lightning based rasengan?

More like he failed to combine lightning chakra with the Rasengan so he decided to create his own jutsu based on similar principles. The text is a little vague since he says "if [combining shape and nature transformation] was easy then [he] wouldn't have needed to create the Chidori."

 

[nixofcyzerra]

So Naruto masters all 5 element natures? In the Death God's stomach, Sarutobi suddenly starts grinning and has no idea why.

I assumed it was just because of their respective shape and movement which causes them to cancel one another out despite one being superior

*shrugs* Even if I'm wrong, it's plausible that Naruto could come up with the theory. That said, the Chidori is designed to be used as an Assassination Jutsu (a bright, loud Assassination Technique <_<,) with a run-up being an essential factor of the technique. I've never heard that said with the Rasengan. Was it less effective when Naruto used it against Kabuto from a standing position?


I also like your Little Ball Rasengan idea, but wouldn't Chakra that dense be quite heavy? Before Naruto left the temple with B, didn't he come up with a Tailed Beast Rasengan that was hard for him to lift? Of course, I doubt that the LBR would be that heavy, but it's something to think about. You could probably do something with the technique now that it has enough mass...

 

[datakim]

More like he failed to combine lightning chakra with the Rasengan so he decided to create his own jutsu based on similar principles. The text is a little vague since he says "if [combining shape and nature transformation] was easy then [he] wouldn't have needed to create the Chidori."

Yeah, something like that. Basically Kakashi tried to create a lightning rasengan. Presumably he worked on it quite a while and tried different things (one would assume). And eventually he decided that it was not possible, but he had learned enough from all his experiments that he was able to use what he had learned to create the chidori.

Btw, is Chidori B or A rank? A quick googling seemed to imply that its A rank just like rasengan, while nixofcyzerra claims its B. But I don't have the databook. Anyone know?

Regardless, I still tend to think the elemental nature gives chidori an advantage. An example of this might be the doton technique Kakuzu used that made him near invulnerable. But Kakashi was able to pierce through it with Raikiri, because earth is weak to lightning. Rasengan would probably have worked far worse there for example.

They are different attacks, and they work differently and there are some areas where one is better than the other, and vice versa. For example, I figure the reason why those water towers were damaged differently was because chidori had lightning element to it, so its attack was more subtle and just pierced the metal, while rasengan was brute force and blew the whole thing up. Another example of this might be when Sasuke pierces straight through Narutos body with chidori, without moving Narutos body much physically, while a hit from rasengan blows Kabuto quite a bit backwards.

A bullet compared to a hammer you might say. There are situations where you might want to use one, and situations where you might want to use another.

As for why chidori seems to do so well against rasengan, One idea that just occurred to me is that since the rasengan seems to be designed to work as a contained sphere, and lightning is by its nature piercing, maybe contact between chidori and rasengan disrupts the rasengan sphere, which would make it work more like rasengan that had only been done up to step 2.

Basically, Jiraiya claims that in rasengan you create a layer of chakra around the sphere, while all the spinning happens inside that layer:
http://www.mangapanda.com/93-160-8/naruto/chapter-155.html

He then demonstrates what happens if you don't have the layer:
http://www.mangapanda.com/93-160-9/naruto/chapter-155.html

He then explains that without that containment, the chakra of rasengan scatters and the energy randomly escapes, causing the rasengan to become far less powerfull here:
http://www.mangapanda.com/93-160-11/naruto/chapter-155.html

So maybe when you bring a piercing chidori in contact with a shell of chakra that is the rasengan, the chidori pierces through and breaks the shell, causing much of the energy of the rasengan to scatter away, as though it had only been a step 2 rasengan rather than a fully completed one.

Looking back at the contact between the two:
http://www.mangapanda.com/93-232-10/naruto/chapter-227.html

It might support that idea, given that what results seems to be a chaotic explosion of energy that throws both of them away. Maybe thats when Chidori pierces through the Rasengans outer layer, causing all the energy Naruto had stored in the Rasengan to violently explode everywhere. Its interesting to consider that when Naruto fully completes step 2 (full power) in his Rasengan training without the whole containment step, he is thrown back much like Naruto and Sasuke are thrown back during the conflict between Rasengan and Chidori.

Truthfully, I doubt Kishi thought about any of this this, but it might be a reasonable enough of an explanation.

 

[Knyght]

Chidori's A-rank, Raikiri's S-rank. Rasengan's implied to be superior from what happened to the water tower and their respective difficulty.

 

[datakim]

Chidori's A-rank, Raikiri's S-rank. Rasengan's implied to be superior from what happened to the water tower and their respective difficulty.

Actually, how would that have worked anyway.

I mean could the fact that chidori is lightning (electricity), and it was a water tower full of water have had some effect?

Regardless, I don't really buy the idea that this alone is sufficient to prove rasengans inherent superiourity. Like I said previously, Chidori was able punch clean through a human body, while rasengan could not. That could just as easiyl be taken as proof that chidori is inherently superiour (though I don't buy that either).

And while rasengan does seem to be more difficult, that might just be because chidori might be easier due to using seals or somesuch. Or because rasengan is an incomplete technique (Minato intended to add element but died before he could do it), and even in its incomplete state its still harder than chidori which is complete by design.

 

[nixofcyzerra]

Chidori's A-rank, Raikiri's S-rank. Rasengan's implied to be superior from what happened to the water tower and their respective difficulty.

Huh. I could have sworn it was B-rank. Was it retconned to A-rank in part 2 when the concept of nature transformation was introduced?

 

[Altered Nova]

I spent a few minutes trying to imagine what other elemental type rasengans would be like and this is what I came up with:

Fire: Fire chakra is hot. That's really it's only special property. So a fire rasengan would would both burn and slice the target. Kind of boring, but devastating. Jiraiya actually uses a fire rasengan in one of the games and it's a bit more exciting there. The opponent is blown backwards by the impact like a typical rasengan, but after several hundred feet they promptly detonate in a magnificent fiery explosion that would make Deidara shed a manly tear. I'd imagine that not many people could survive having their chest shredded and then exploding from inside their own torso.

Earth: Earth chakra is tough and can manipulate density. I'm not sure how much more effective an especially tough rasengan would be, but density? We can work with density. I think the Earth Rasengan would basically be a mini-bijuudama. Very dense, very heavy, and like a real bijuudama able to be thrown a considerable distance without the energy dissipating like what happens with a regular rasengan. It would also create a respectable shockwave when it hits it's target and decompresses, similar to what the real bijuudama does but on a smaller scale.

Lightning: Lightning chakra has the properties of vibration and electrical polarity. The vibration would enhance the rasengan's cutting power even further, and the electricity - well I'm picturing something like a plasma globe. A spiraling ball of electrical death constantly shooting off bolts of plasma in every direction, with the plasma acting as both defense and offense. Anything that gets to close to the user is electrocuted, and probably stunned long enough that death by direct impact from the lightning rasengan is unavoidable.

Water: Water chakra is all about fluidity. It's the easiest element to manipulate with shape transformation, so I'm thinking that a water rasengan has it's already perfect shape manipulation power dialed up beyond eleven. Grow and shrink the rasengan at will, stretch it, deform it, flatten it, whatever. It can take almost any shape you desire and it won't destabilize or lose any of it's power. Rasengan lances, rasengan drills, rasengan shields, rasengan swords, domes, walls, funnels, anything. It's the green lantern ring of rasengans. It may not be as powerful as the other elemental rasengan variations but it's by far the most versatile.

 

[ragnarok1337]

I spent a few minutes trying to imagine what other elemental type rasengans would be like and this is what I came up with:

Fire: Fire chakra is hot. That's really it's only special property. So a fire rasengan would would both burn and slice the target. Kind of boring, but devastating. Jiraiya actually uses a fire rasengan in one of the games and it's a bit more exciting there. The opponent is blown backwards by the impact like a typical rasengan, but after several hundred feet they promptly detonate in a magnificent fiery explosion that would make Deidara shed a manly tear. I'd imagine that not many people could survive having their chest shredded and then exploding from inside their own torso.

I assume you're talking about this one?

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CglgghY8VI[/video]

 

[whitewhiskey]

So Naruto masters all 5 element natures? In the Death God's stomach, Sarutobi suddenly starts grinning and has no idea why.

I assumed it was just because of their respective shape and movement which causes them to cancel one another out despite one being superior

*shrugs* Even if I'm wrong, it's plausible that Naruto could come up with the theory. That said, the Chidori is designed to be used as an Assassination Jutsu (a bright, loud Assassination Technique <_<,) with a run-up being an essential factor of the technique. I've never heard that said with the Rasengan. Was it less effective when Naruto used it against Kabuto from a standing position?

I wouldn't say they are equal, but the Rasengan depends on the 'bubble' to contain all the power put into it, where the Chidori is a piercing jutsu. Popping the bubble released all the power contained, plus you should remember that it was Kyuubi chakra as well as Curse seal power, which were probably the cause of the black orb that resulted, but it would have caused a big boom anyway.

If you look at rank, they're equal, but in versatility, the Rasengan wins hands down (i'm talking the actual jutsu, not variants like Chidori Eso).

Chidori is impressive, but seems too damn loud to be reliable as an assassination jutsu, which is why it's speed is essential. The speed, however, causes tunnel vision, leaving the user vulnerable (A way I saw to beat it in one fanfic, which seems logical, is to throw a papberbomb wrapped around the handle of a kunai at the user, but to the side a bit, they think you miss and BOOM!). In addition, it's really a one trick pony, it pierces and has a limited reach, the reach of the arm, and is pretty sure to be near deadly.

On the other hand, the Rasengans simplicity is it's strength. it's power can be lowered to throw a guy, like Jiraiya did on the search for Tsunade, or raised to grind through wood and metal, and probably through enemy attacks, like Naruto used it to disperse Sasuke's fireball on top of the hospital (IIRC). It also has a longer range of damage, shown when it punched through the water tower in that same fight, spreading out like a shotgun blast.

I will admit that the chidori may have an advantage of needing less chakra to use, but that may just be speculation, and the run isn't exactly required to use it, I don't think, but it is to use it reliably since, as I said, it's noisy as hell.

Now, for my variant idea.

Whirlpool Style Rasengan-Used while underwater (Which I think he did in the land of the sea or land of tea), Naruto finds that the rasengan creates whirlpools as it catches the water. Gaining better control of this effect, and learning the hide like a mole jutsu, he is able to create large sinkholes and land whirlpools.

 

[Altered Nova]

I spent a few minutes trying to imagine what other elemental type rasengans would be like and this is what I came up with:

Fire: Fire chakra is hot. That's really it's only special property. So a fire rasengan would would both burn and slice the target. Kind of boring, but devastating. Jiraiya actually uses a fire rasengan in one of the games and it's a bit more exciting there. The opponent is blown backwards by the impact like a typical rasengan, but after several hundred feet they promptly detonate in a magnificent fiery explosion that would make Deidara shed a manly tear. I'd imagine that not many people could survive having their chest shredded and then exploding from inside their own torso.

I assume you're talking about this one?

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CglgghY8VI[/video]

No that is a Fire Dragon + Rasengan jutus combo. This is the fire element rasengan:

[video=youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=DZFWvFKJrrc[/video]

 

[whitewhiskey]

I spent a few minutes trying to imagine what other elemental type rasengans would be like and this is what I came up with:

Fire: Fire chakra is hot. That's really it's only special property. So a fire rasengan would would both burn and slice the target. Kind of boring, but devastating. Jiraiya actually uses a fire rasengan in one of the games and it's a bit more exciting there. The opponent is blown backwards by the impact like a typical rasengan, but after several hundred feet they promptly detonate in a magnificent fiery explosion that would make Deidara shed a manly tear. I'd imagine that not many people could survive having their chest shredded and then exploding from inside their own torso.

I assume you're talking about this one?

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CglgghY8VI[/video]

No that is a Fire Dragon + Rasengan jutus combo. This is the fire element rasengan:

[video=youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=DZFWvFKJrrc[/video]

Does it count as a fire element rasengan, or another combo? Because it looked like he just breathed fire into it as it swiped past his face, rather than form it from elemental chakra like Naruto did with his rasengan

 

[Shirotsume]

If that's what happens when you breath a bit of fire into a rasengan, I wanna see what happens when you shove an ametseru into a wind release rase- oh wait. We do know. And it was lame >.>

 

[Altered Nova]

Yeah I'm gonna believe that its a fire element rasengan because if Jiraiya can cause that much damage just by breathing some fire on a rasengan then he could probably blow up the whole damn world if he ever learned the real deal.

 

[nixofcyzerra]

*Snip*

I like your ideas, but I have to disagree with you on some points. Lightning is a product of plasma, but plasma itself is the 4th state of matter created when enough heat ionizes a gas's molecules. So I'm thinking while the Fire Release: Rasengan would be as you described, with burning and drilling damage, it would be the Fire Release: Rasen-something that involves plasma, and not the Lightning Release: Rasengan.

Your ideas for the Earth Release: Rasengan sound good to me, and it sounds about equal to the Wind Release: Rasengan, but what do you think the Earth Release: Rasen-whatever would be like? I'm thinking that perhaps there could be a petrifying element to the technique. I realise we've already seen that when one of Pain's paths absorbed Naruto's natural energy, but Earth release techniques are all about changing the density of the earth, from soft mud to rock that's as hard as diamond. If the attack attacks at the microscopic level like the Rasenshuriken, maybe it could petrify people hit by it by "hardening their cells?"

To be honest, I have a sinking suspicion the Lightning Release: Rasengan would basically be a more powerful Chidori. Massive penetration, along with significant electrocution. The Lightning Release: Rasen-thingy would... all-right, this is a little crazy, but here me out. I was thinking about how one of the lightning element's properties is adding vibration, and then I thought about how the Rasenshuriken attacks at the molecular level. I put vibration and molecules in the same sentence, and, like any good comic book nerd, that made me start thinking about how The Flash could travel through solid objects by "vibrating his molecules." So, here's my idea. The Raiton: Rasen-? electrocutes the hell out of whoever hits it, but the throwable version of the technique is unblockable. It wouldn't have even noticed Garra's sand. If Orochimaru used the Summoning: Triple Rashōmon to defend against it, it would "phase" right through the gates and hit him. Shinra Tensei? No good. The only possible way to defend against it is to dodge it. Or Obito's intangibility, but that's it.

Again, I like your idea on the Water Release: Rasengan, but I think you'd have to find the right balance between power and versatility to make sure it's about as good as the other Elemental Rasengan. If it's as versatile as you describe, you might have to make it barely more powerful than a normal Rasengan for balance. Any ideas for the Water Release :Rasen-can't-think-of-anything-to-put-here? It occurs to me that, or at least it seems to me that, all the most powerful water jutsu we've seen almost always involve pressure damage, or constructs made of water like dragons or sharks hitting people hard. I'm thinking the Water equivalent of a Rasenshuriken would possibly be "an ocean in a can." Or it fills all the empty spaces inside a person with water? Including the lungs so they drown?

Yeah I'm gonna believe that its a fire element rasengan because if Jiraiya can cause that much damage just by breathing some fire on a rasengan then he could probably blow up the whole damn world if he ever learned the real deal.

Remember, heated air expands and disperses as it goes. That fiery explosions probably got a lot less energy in it than it looks.

 

[ankokudaishogun]

better quality video
Gōen Rasengan starts at 40s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=oUXzGg_aobY#t=42s

 

[whitewhiskey]

Yeah I'm gonna believe that its a fire element rasengan because if Jiraiya can cause that much damage just by breathing some fire on a rasengan then he could probably blow up the whole damn world if he ever learned the real deal.

I know Naruto Wiki is a four letter word here, but it does confirm that the Goen Rasengan is just a normal rasengan with fire added (And it does cite the game book page), but it is Jiraiya, so it could be an oil flame like the Goemon.

 

[Knyght]

Chidori's A-rank, Raikiri's S-rank. Rasengan's implied to be superior from what happened to the water tower and their respective difficulty.

Regardless, I don't really buy the idea that this alone is sufficient to prove rasengans inherent superiourity.

Chidori's a stab with a lot of power behind it. Rasengan grinds the target and then releases the "compressed power of rotation" and is the equivalent to having "a small hurricane in one's hands".

Chidori needs momentum which includes a run up that can cause tunnel vision making Sharingan a requirement (when you want to use it to its full potential). Rasengan causes crazy damage regardless of how you use it.

Chidori's A-rank, Raikiri's S-rank. Rasengan's implied to be superior from what happened to the water tower and their respective difficulty.

Huh. I could have sworn it was B-rank. Was it retconned to A-rank in part 2 when the concept of nature transformation was introduced?

No, it's always been like that. They were both in the first databook. I'm guessing it had the same rank because of the physical requirements. Or they both just in the ranking at different parts of the scale.

I spent a few minutes trying to imagine what other elemental type rasengans would be like and this is what I came up with:

-elemental rasengan-

I figured I'd equate it to the effects produced by the chakra paper which is probably the elements at their most basics. Wind cuts, fire burns, earth crumbles, water soaks and lightning crinkles so the Rasengan variants do the same on a bigger scale.

Water'd be an ocean in a can, though I do like bringing in versatile shape transformation into it. Earth essentially petrifies the target and turns them to dust. Lightning...well, I don't how the crinkles is meant to apply to a person (the muscle paralysis?) so I ran with it being a electrical bomb that destroys the nervous system.

 

[LightningHunter]

You want us to come up with Rasengan derivatives? Who do you think we are, the guys writing the Naruto movies?

 

[ankokudaishogun]

the only explanation I can find for the rank difference between Chidori and Raikiri is the lack of hand-seals and run.

Basically "same shit, but honed so much it got a rank upgrade". Which would mean Shippuden!Sasuke's Chidori is a S-rank jutsu, as well... which makes sense, given all his variations are A-rank jutsu.

 

[Knyght]

Kakashi used handseals and a run-up when he first revealed the Raikiri. The only other time he used it Pre-TS was against Orochimaru where the chapter opens already in a starting position and doesn't actually use it.

For some reason, the only definite distinction we're given is that the Chidori by itself is an A-rank whilst Chidori used by Kakashi it's known as Raikiri and is an S-rank. Sasuke's also classed as the only user of the Chidori. The Raikiri's description leaves out the bit about activating the body and running but that could just be avoiding redundancy.

Why would it make sense for his Chidori to be an S-rank when his variations are A-rank? I'd think they'd each be more advanced than the original like Naruto's variations of the Rasengan, so they'd probably be the same rank or higher.

And something relevant: Somewhere along the line Naruto and Sasuke end up on the same side of battlefield and decide to go for a combination. Sasuke spits out a Grand Fireball which Naruto intercepts with a Fuuton: Rasengan, causing it to explode into a giant, whirling firestorm.

 

[Ura Mamoru]

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Someone once gave a possible explanation for why the Fuuton - Rasenshuriken damages at a cellular level. If that theory is true, it might not scale over to other elements.

We were told that wind chakra creates a blade by running two streams of chakra against each other. Now, if you take wind chakra and bottle it up in a Rasengan, you have streams of wind chakra running every which way. As streams of swirling wind chakra collide, they create blades of wind chakra, which grind against each other to make even keener blades, which grind against one other...

Eventually, you get a flurry of blades so fine that they can cut the walls of individual cells, rather than just pushing between them.


If this is so, then individual cellular-level damage might not carry over directly to alternate-elemental variants.

 

[Altered Nova]

Yeah I'm gonna believe that its a fire element rasengan because if Jiraiya can cause that much damage just by breathing some fire on a rasengan then he could probably blow up the whole damn world if he ever learned the real deal.

I know Naruto Wiki is a four letter word here, but it does confirm that the Goen Rasengan is just a normal rasengan with fire added (And it does cite the game book page), but it is Jiraiya, so it could be an oil flame like the Goemon.

Well regardless of how the non-canon game-only fire rasengan works, that video is still pretty much exactly how I picture the actual Fire element rasengan working.

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After reading your ideas and thinking on it some more I'm gonna give the elemental rasengans another shot. One thing to keep in mind though is that Rasenshuriken isn't actually a vast improvement over Wind Release Rasengan, it's literally the same jutsu with some stabilizing fins attached. So the other Rasen-somethings will probably be similar to that, same as the regular element rasengan but with a useful extra feature bolted on.

Fire Release Rasengan: Like the normal rasengan, but super heated by fire chakra. The jutsu sucks air in and compresses it in the middle of the sphere, where it becomes superheated until it turns into plasma. After connecting with an opponent, grinding into their torso and blasting them several hundred feet backwards, the outer shell of the Fire Release Rasengan collapses and releases the highly pressurized plasma, resulting in a massive explosion.

Fire Release Rasenrocket: The Fire Release Rasengan is modified by adding a small nozzle to the back, through which the superheated plasma escapes and propels the Fire Rasengan forward. The size and orientation of the opening can be controlled remotely by the user, allowing for it's flight path to be customized in real time. If the user is skilled enough the Fire Rasenrocket can lead a moving target, follow a target around corners or even turn completely around and return for another shot if initially dodged.

Earth Release Rasengan: The normal rasengan is compressed and hardened by earth chakra until it's less than half the size. The smaller Earth Rasengan may not be very impressive looking, but it's stable enough to be pitched like a baseball and dense enough to punch a hole straight through just about anything and keep going, even for several hundred feet through solid rock. When it finally destabilizes, or if it hits something that's actually hard enough to resist it, the outer shell will break and release the compressed chakra in a powerful shockwave.

Earth Release Rasensuperball: By layering another layer of elastic, springy chakra around the outer shell, an Earth Rasengan capable of bouncing off of walls is created. The user can remotely manipulate the bouncy chakra, granting them some degree of control over the angles at which the Rasensuperball bounces and allowing them to selectively control what the Rasensuperball bounces off of and what it pierces through.

Lightning Release Rasengan: The Rasengan is electrically charged and induced to vibrate by lightning chakra, significantly increasing it's power. However it's true value is not in it's direct striking potential, but rather it's surprising defensive properties. Coiling many large currents of electricity within a sphere and rapidly spinning them creates a powerful rotating electromagnetic field around the user which can deflect enemy weapons and jutsu. (think of a cross between the Hyuuga Kaiten and the Raikage's lightning armor.) By manipulating the power of the current within the Lightning Rasengan the electromagnetic shield can be strengthened or weakened at will. This allows the user to charge directly at the target without worrying about counterattacks. (think of how Kakashi took out all those clones with chidori in Kakashi Gaiden, but instead of having Minato running interference for you there is a electromagnetic shield around you deflecting all the kunai coming at you.)

Lightning Release Rasennova: By pulsing an incredibly powerful current through the Lightning Rasengan while compressing the magnetic field with their chakra, the user can force the the field to detonate, releasing a deadly shockwave of electromagnetic energy in every direction. Any targets that survive will have their bodies electrically charged, making them more susceptible to other lightning jutsu.

Water Release Rasengan: The Rasengan is made incredibly pliable by the fluidity of water chakra. While not much stronger than the non-elemental Rasengan, the Water Rasengan can be resized and deformed into a variety of non-spherical shapes without losing any power or rotation. It's incredible versatility makes it useful for both offensive and defensive purposes.

Water Release Rasen-something: I still haven't thought of anything really clever for this. How do you improve a shapeshifting rasengan? I thought about that "ocean in a can" idea, but the earth rasengan is kind of already doing the compression thing. I also thought about maybe having it suck the water out of the victim's body, but that seems like too drastic of a change from the basic Water Rasengan. Any ideas?