Naruto Kakashi's special training

[BlackSun]

Kakashi's special training is not based on using Mangekyou Sharingan, but on a property of the Kage Bunshin Naruto never noticed before: anything they learn goes to the one who used the jutsu once they're dispelled. So, Kakashi wants Naruto to make one thousand clones and have them all traning, so he we'll get one thousand more training at once.

The element Naruto will use for his new jutsu is wind, the element he has more affinity to.

I was thinking Naruto was more of an idiot than I believed when I read about this property of the Kage Bunshin, but, in his defense, odds are he never had one of his clones out of his sight doing anything important.

With any luck, he will be back to using his clones for new strategies to surprise and, hopefully, pound his opponents flat.

 

[SimmyC]

I might go along with this. And you are right, Naruto never really let the clones out of his sight so that could explain why he never really learned much from the clones.

Of course, it could be another sign of Kishimoto pulling something out of his ass. <_<

 

[Moshulel]

That's it... plagiarism :rofl:

I had the stuff with the clones in mind from long time ago and also the wind chakra thingie... nothing new here. <_<

What really upsets me is that Kishi made Naruto look dumb AGAIN.

By the way is it just me or is wind the strongest element?

 

[Deathwings]

Nope, Wind can't really do much dammage against doton, suiton are neutral against them and raiton go trough them like paper, so no, it's not really the better element.

 

[Moshulel]

Nope, Wind can't really do much dammage against doton, suiton are neutral against them and raiton go trough them like paper, so no, it's not really the better element.

Oh well there are possibilities for wind to neutralize all of those elements and defeat them easy.. but i doubt Kishi will be creative enough to use them <_<

 

[Mighty Bob]

Thats one of my big complaints (the whole worshiping of all things Sharingan aside; that speaks for itself) about Naruto part 2. He comes back from this 3 year long intensive training trip...and not only is he as dumb if not dumber than before he left...but apparently he's learned almost nothing. And as a bonus the Kyuubi seems to have become more of a hinderance than a help (four tail form WAS kinda cool...having it make Naruto lose his mind and eating away at his body, not so much...) I shall also forgo mentiong how Mary-Sueish Orochimaru seemed to have become ( I mean, hello! The bijuu are supposed to be the greatest forces of destruction on the planet, capable of whiping anything off the face of the earth. And Oro came out on top facing the power of four tails. Uh-huh. Got any bridges to sell me?) I have no links to share, but I swear to god I've seen the Kage Bunshin idea a few times before, well before Part 2 ever came to be.

As for any of the elements being greater than the others, I think it's more what you know and how you use it, rather than one being better than the other. Perhaps one is easier to learn than the other, or more versatile or inheirently more destructive. But not neccessarily greater. But thats just my take on it.

 

[Moshulel]

Kishi dug his own grave having Naruto increasingly dumber... i like to see how he's going to make him a hokage.

Oh yes i find it very interesting.. the fact that the curse seal's drawbacks were shifted to Naruto. :angry:

 

[Mighty Bob]

I'm almost 110% certain it will never happen outside of fanfiction; but my one true hope is that Naruto and Jiraiya are only faking his incompitence (I'd say the drawbacks to Kyuubi as well, but that one battle effectively demonstrated that it's true. *sigh* ) as a way to perhaps get the Council to back down. Though I'm still scratching my head at how this council became so powerfull and why they never bothered Sarutobi ( who was well past his prime and likely easier to get to bend on issues even if he's experienced at the post and really respected)

And jumping back a bit; another thing thats really broken about Part 2: Sakura went from useless to helping take down an S-class missing nin. A missing nin that already had a Kage under his belt as well as endless others. And her training was undertaken by a Hokage who was overworked already and couldn't have had -that- much spare time to train her up. But obviously that beats the shit outta one on one training by a man just as skilled (or more so I think, Tsunade strikes me as the weakest of the three if only cause she's more specialized) and with less demands on his time. Heh, I could rant on this all night long and into next week :sweat:

 

[nuclear death frog]

And jumping back a bit; another thing thats really broken about Part 2:? Sakura went from useless to helping take down an S-class missing nin.? A missing nin that already had a Kage under his belt as well as endless others.? And her training was undertaken by a Hokage who was overworked already and couldn't have had -that- much spare time to train her up.? But obviously that beats the shit outta one on one training by a man just as skilled

You aren't the only one to have had such thoughts -- among others, GenocideHeart has said similar things on this forum.

I happen to pretty much agree with him (and now you, it seems).

 

[SimmyC]

Well, I'd say... more Kishimoto incompetence. But we pretty much established that. As for Naruto looking even dumber than he already is... well, I haven't really read the chapter so I can't say if that is true. Nor do I want to read the chapter given the way Kishimoto has been taking it. <_< Still, in Naruto's defense, he wouldn't necessarily have known about that ability if he never used his clones beyond attacking an opponent... head on. The most 'strategy' that he has done using them was to trick people with, first the wave of clones, and then, right behind them, he comes in and attacks enemy where they least expect it (or escape and set up a trap in which case, the clones were a distraction). Not exactly where you're going to get a lot of new knowledge for Naruto to deduct "Maybe I can use these clones for more than just fighting!"

Of course, general Naruto looking stupid... well, again, I blame Kishimoto.

 

[BlackSun]

Silly idea for a fic: what if Naruto had somehow realized the full potential of the Kage Bunshin early on. Maybe doing some D mission before the Wave Arc?

 

[Deathwings]

I see a story where it is like that, a very nice one with smart darkish Naruto who fake his dumbiness.

I that fic, he use Kage Bushin to its maximum and do everything with it, using them as training dummies and most important, he never talk directly to anyone, using instade a Kage Bushin while looking from afar.

I realy like that story, but I seem to be unable to find it anymore...bugger... :no:

 

[SimmyC]

Hmm. Sounds like a way Kishimoto could take Naruto. And... who knows? That guy could have a valid case of plagiarism. :snigger:

*Not really of course. It would probably just be written off as coincidence. Not to mention the fact that would imply Kishimoto reads fanfiction. Granted, the way he's taking the story might make it seem like he's picking up a few pointers from the FF writers, but I'm going to continue assuming the crappiness was of his own making. <_<

 

[BlackSun]

I see a story where it is like that, a very nice one with smart darkish Naruto who fake his dumbiness.

Lies and Deceit? Fox Identity?

 

[Deathwings]

Not Lies and Deceit, that I'm sure, I don't lose the link to this one and never would.

It could have been Fox Identity but what I have read don't add up with my memory...sigh...

 

[Mighty Bob]

Actually, I don't think I have a link to Lies and Deceit, anyone feel like sharing?

I happen to like Foxt Identity a great deal, now if only it would update this year!

I concede the point that Naruto likely hasn't used his Kage Bunshin in ways that would let him discover this little facet for himself (though it does add more justification to it's being a kinjutsu beyond the chakra requirements) Just for the sake of nitpicking though, I find it odd that Jiraiya himself wouldn't have pointed this out to Naruto. Not only would it help train him faster, it likely would have allowed him more time to sneak off and peep a little more.

 

[armedlord]

Actually, I don't think I have a link to Lies and Deceit, anyone feel like sharing?

Kerblink! your wish has been searched and found. Haven't read it though.

odds are he never had one of his clones out of his sight doing anything important

Well I think those bulls before the third part of the Chunnin exams out to poke their horns into Naruto's ass and using Kage Bunshin to try to divert some amount of the bulls might be considered important at least to Naruto trying to not get injured/killed.

...Okay maybe not exactly important, but still his clones seem to have been out of his sight at least if I recall. He should have at least remembered something out of that.

...Bah! Whatever! I suck at thinking back! In any case, watch as he'll have Naruto say something like this line (give or take a word) and we all groan and wish Naruto will never say it when he next meets Kishi's boytoy due to him being a wind element.

"It's time for me to blow you away Sasuke!"

 

[Pirazy]

What actually shocked me the most was that he hadn't been tested for his "element affinity" before. Shouldn't that be the first thing their teacher do once they become genin? It'd make the training a whole lot easier if the teacher knew which area to focus on, and even if he didn't know any jutsu suitable to a genin from their favored element, there should be atleast someone in the village who does, don't they have scrolls for that kinda stuff?

Then again, it's not like Kakashi ever taught Naruto or Sakura anything besides basic chakra-control, I guess pampering Sasuke and handing him jutsu on a silver platter was more important than ensuring his two other students potential was explored, and that they'd be capable of surviving a fight to the death, remember how he commented on that Sakura's true strength was in genjutsu? did he ever do anything about it? Hell no, that would have taken time away from him trying to make Sasuke a clone of himself, jealous of Gai perhaps?.

Just imagine what the chuunin-exam would have been like if Naruto knew Fuuton-jutsu or if Sakura knew any genjutsu? Sasuke already had an arsenal of Katon-jutsu which he probably got from his clans library. I still can't believe Kakashi thought they were ready for the exam, the only one who knew more than one non-academy jutsu was Sasuke.. I guess that's it, more favoritism by our favorite idiot teacher, almost like he thought it'd be worth it to give Sasuke a shot at the exam, even if that meant the lives of his two other students..

I never thought I'd hate a fictional character this much, But Sasuke and Kakashi are just too much, at least Sasuke has an excuse to be fucked up, Kakashi is just an emo-nonchalant-crybaby who can't stop blaming himself for fucking up some 10-15 years ago.

Rant mode: Off

 

[Moshulel]

Just to add to the utter stupidity of this idea from Kishi:

Elemental affinity?

Kakashi has an affinity for lightning?

Except for the chidori all the jutsu's he uses are either Suiton or Doton... wouldn't he focus on his own element?

And naturally Sasuke gets two... why the heck is he always the lucky one?

 

[BlackSun]

Except for the chidori all the jutsu's he uses are either Suiton or Doton... wouldn't he focus on his own element?

Kishi is just stupid, ignore it.

And naturally Sasuke gets two... why the heck is he always the lucky one?

Kakashi didn't really confirm nor deny it, at least not in the version I read.
I think he just let Naruto think Sasuke has affinity with two elements so Naruto won't divert time and chakra from learning Fuuton to master something else. Sasuke is probaly one of the few Uchiha not matched with fire, his proficiency with Katon would come from practicing only them for most of his life.

 

[Moshulel]

Kakashi didn't really confirm nor deny it, at least not in the version I read.
I think he just let Naruto think Sasuke has affinity with two elements so Naruto won't divert time and chakra from learning Fuuton to master something else. Sasuke is probaly one of the few Uchiha not matched with fire, his proficiency with Katon would come from practicing only them for most of his life.

I really hope that's the case, cause i really don't see how that paper could simultaniosly burst into flames and crumple. Fire and lightning don't see as two elemens that could match to me just as:

Water+Fire
Doton+Wind

Oh well we'll just see about this...

 

[GenocideHeart]

Kakashi didn't really confirm nor deny it, at least not in the version I read.
I think he just let Naruto think Sasuke has affinity with two elements so Naruto won't divert time and chakra from learning Fuuton to master something else. Sasuke is probaly one of the few Uchiha not matched with fire, his proficiency with Katon would come from practicing only them for most of his life.

I really hope that's the case, cause i really don't see how that paper could simultaniosly burst into flames and crumple. Fire and lightning don't see as two elemens that could match to me just as:

Water+Fire
Doton+Wind

Oh well we'll just see about this...

Well, in some systems, lightning is a cross of fire and air - superheated plasma.

Still, that's stretching it.

And Naruto doesn't strike me as elemental. More, type-less or non-elemental.

 

[Moshulel]

Well, in some systems, lightning is a cross of fire and air - superheated plasma.

Still, that's stretching it.

And Naruto doesn't strike me as elemental. More, type-less or non-elemental.

The fact that his trademark jutsu is the kage bunshin should be a clue regarding this, especially seeing that shadow isn't an element.

 

[Deathwings]

Kakashi didn't really confirm nor deny it, at least not in the version I read.
I think he just let Naruto think Sasuke has affinity with two elements so Naruto won't divert time and chakra from learning Fuuton to master something else. Sasuke is probaly one of the few Uchiha not matched with fire, his proficiency with Katon would come from practicing only them for most of his life.

I really hope that's the case, cause i really don't see how that paper could simultaniosly burst into flames and crumple. Fire and lightning don't see as two elemens that could match to me just as:

Water+Fire
Doton+Wind

Oh well we'll just see about this...

Well, in some systems, lightning is a cross of fire and air - superheated plasma.

Still, that's stretching it.

And Naruto doesn't strike me as elemental. More, type-less or non-elemental.

I supose that you're talking about the elemental circle in Grandia, isn't it ? One of the best element relation diagram out there, eh eh eh... ^_^

In the Narutoverse that would corespond to that :

Fire+Wind=Lightning
Wind+Water=Ice
Water+Earth=Wood
Earth+Fire=Steel (in Grandia it's "explosion" but the Narutoverse don't have that element and on top of that, the iron extract from the earthl add to fire did made steel)

 

[cilrais]

uhhh I think he uses a lot of doton and suiton jutsus because he copied them with his sharingan, elemental affinity or not. He is the copy nin, knows over a thousand jutsus, blah blah blah, not all of them can be lightning based. Plus I believe lightning justus take much more chakra to perform than doton and suiton.

Also, you'll note his one original technique is in fact a lightning based move.