Naruto Konoha 12, the pirates
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And this was peoples response:
But that's just my personal opinion, and I've never been a fan of crossovers with more then one character.
Hence my question on how Genjutsu would work in this 
Sorry, I'm so used to Killing intent being used the way King's Haki works in Fanfiction that I jumped to conclusions there.
Happens to the best of us, 'm afraid
Also, looks at the above post, that is creative thinking. Keep it up.
Any other ideas, critisisms, mistakes made?
But that's just my personal opinion, and I've never been a fan of crossovers with more then one character.
Shadowseraph said:
Sdebeli said:
I never stated any of that
I was merely curious to see how it fit into the system
I was merely curious to see how it fit into the system
Sorry, I'm so used to Killing intent being used the way King's Haki works in Fanfiction that I jumped to conclusions there.
Also, looks at the above post, that is creative thinking. Keep it up.
Any other ideas, critisisms, mistakes made?
Well, I know that I won't be reading it, as I really dislike crossovers where you bring a boatload of characters over. ( :snigger: )
Apart from that, you'll have a really hard time explaining away these people abandoning their families with the drop of a hat. Team Gai doesn't seem to have much family ties (except maybe Lee who seems to consider Gai his father, or something), and Team 7 I could buyùas Sakura has no problem leaving her parents for Sasuke's sakeùbut the others?
Apart from that, you'll have a really hard time explaining away these people abandoning their families with the drop of a hat. Team Gai doesn't seem to have much family ties (except maybe Lee who seems to consider Gai his father, or something), and Team 7 I could buyùas Sakura has no problem leaving her parents for Sasuke's sakeùbut the others?
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Okay, enough insanity from me for one night, back to being constructive(where possible)
As Juopunimuies stated previously, you'll really need to give detailed reasons for that, it can't be handwaved. So let's go through the actual characters and take a look, shall we?
Team 7
Naruto - has disputably little holding him back, mostly in the form of his friends. The advantage of him leaving, if you keep the Akatsuki would be obvious. If you don't have the Akatsuki, you'd need to screw over Konoha heavily to give him one, aside for escape.
Sasuke - You already stated a possible reason in Itachi
Sakura - the above two. Possible dead civilian family? Or something. Honestly, she is pretty much shown to be alone aside for her teammates. The three of them are mostly loners.
As a whole, teams 8 and 10 have almost no reasons to leave Konoha, or the EC. The only person who would even consider it is Hinata, and that's solely because of Naruto.
Now, for something actually useful.
Team 8
Kiba - is not the clan heir. If played correctly, a political angle could possibly be pulled well enough to give him the reason to leave. IE. he feels burdened by his position in the clan and wishes to achieve more, but at the same time doesn't want to damage the clan by a conflict with the current heir, his sister.
Hinata - One good argument for her would be Naruto. Another returns to Clan politics, in the form of her deciding between herself, Hiashi and Hanabi that her sister is to be the next heir while she leaves the continent. The Byakugan has almost no risk of falling into enemy hands that way as outsiders wouldn't know a damn thing about EC Bloodlines (yes, Mad Scientists are the exception, but this is a theoretical argument created in something of a rush before I fall asleep. It can be expanded upon and corrected later.)
Shino - He seems to be highly loyal to both his team and his clan/family(can't remember if they've been classified as such). The only actual reason he could have for going is to remain with his team as he sees them as important enough to warrant such a decision.
Team 10
Now this is a troublesome one. Considering that the trio are pretty much clan heirs in tight-knit families, you don't get that much room for maneuvering. You could play the fangirl card on Ino, but that would be highly counterproductive I think, as Chouji and Shikamaru would stop her for her own sake.
Ino- No
Chouji- Freaking
Shikamaru- Idea
Team Gai
Out of the four teams mentioned, these are the guys with the second least degree of connection to Konoha as a whole. Lee is extremely loyal to Gai, Tenten is an unknown with a weapon fetish, and Neji is bloody complicated, and if you're talking post-Chunin Exams as I think you are, he slowly becomes loyal to his friends, followed by his clan, and only then followed by Konoha.
Lee - As long as Gai is alive(unless for some bizarre reason he tells him to) I don't see Lee leaving Konoha
Tenten - She's pretty much a blank slate with a lot of room for maneuvering. Not a problem here
Neji - if you're going along with Hinata's technically political exile from the clan, a post-Chunin Exam Neji might believe it his duty to help her out. Or something.
Okay, enough insanity from me for one night, back to being constructive(where possible)
As Juopunimuies stated previously, you'll really need to give detailed reasons for that, it can't be handwaved. So let's go through the actual characters and take a look, shall we?
Team 7
Naruto - has disputably little holding him back, mostly in the form of his friends. The advantage of him leaving, if you keep the Akatsuki would be obvious. If you don't have the Akatsuki, you'd need to screw over Konoha heavily to give him one, aside for escape.
Sasuke - You already stated a possible reason in Itachi
Sakura - the above two. Possible dead civilian family? Or something. Honestly, she is pretty much shown to be alone aside for her teammates. The three of them are mostly loners.
As a whole, teams 8 and 10 have almost no reasons to leave Konoha, or the EC. The only person who would even consider it is Hinata, and that's solely because of Naruto.
Now, for something actually useful.
Team 8
Kiba - is not the clan heir. If played correctly, a political angle could possibly be pulled well enough to give him the reason to leave. IE. he feels burdened by his position in the clan and wishes to achieve more, but at the same time doesn't want to damage the clan by a conflict with the current heir, his sister.
Hinata - One good argument for her would be Naruto. Another returns to Clan politics, in the form of her deciding between herself, Hiashi and Hanabi that her sister is to be the next heir while she leaves the continent. The Byakugan has almost no risk of falling into enemy hands that way as outsiders wouldn't know a damn thing about EC Bloodlines (yes, Mad Scientists are the exception, but this is a theoretical argument created in something of a rush before I fall asleep. It can be expanded upon and corrected later.)
Shino - He seems to be highly loyal to both his team and his clan/family(can't remember if they've been classified as such). The only actual reason he could have for going is to remain with his team as he sees them as important enough to warrant such a decision.
Team 10
Now this is a troublesome one. Considering that the trio are pretty much clan heirs in tight-knit families, you don't get that much room for maneuvering. You could play the fangirl card on Ino, but that would be highly counterproductive I think, as Chouji and Shikamaru would stop her for her own sake.
Ino- No
Chouji- Freaking
Shikamaru- Idea
Team Gai
Out of the four teams mentioned, these are the guys with the second least degree of connection to Konoha as a whole. Lee is extremely loyal to Gai, Tenten is an unknown with a weapon fetish, and Neji is bloody complicated, and if you're talking post-Chunin Exams as I think you are, he slowly becomes loyal to his friends, followed by his clan, and only then followed by Konoha.
Lee - As long as Gai is alive(unless for some bizarre reason he tells him to) I don't see Lee leaving Konoha
Tenten - She's pretty much a blank slate with a lot of room for maneuvering. Not a problem here
Neji - if you're going along with Hinata's technically political exile from the clan, a post-Chunin Exam Neji might believe it his duty to help her out. Or something.
It's actually the opposite of that. In chapter 2 of the manga, Sakura comments to Sasuke that Naruto can do whatever he wants due to not having parents, and that her parents would get so mad at her if she acted like him. I seriously doubt that they would not mention her losing her parents if it actually happened after that, considering how big of an impact it would have on her character. Sakura does not appear to be a loner; her free time is just almost totally off-screen.
Well, like I said this is going to be AU. Fudging backstories is a given, though the closer I can get to canon the better.
I don't want it to be a formal mission from Hokage.
Desertion may work for Naruto, who is much more interested in exploring the sea than being Hokage.
Its pretty much a give with Sasuke, and Sakura isn't willing to let the two idiots out of her sight. as they run off to follow her dream.
The others are much harder to fit in.
Dreams:
Naruto - Become an awesome and reveered pirate captain.
Sasuke - Kill Itachi and avenge clan.
Tenten - Wants to learn all about the technology of the outside world.
Neji - wants to free slaves and allow them to fly free. Well, no, nevermind that one. That is much better as a Beserk Button of the highest magnatude for Neji.
I don't want Hinata's reason for leaving to be Naruto. I want her to have her own reason and dream to follow.
The same with Sakura, though obviously the fact that her boys are throwing themselves into the thick of it is a serious motivator.
Studying foreign medicine and the best way to incorporate it into medical Jutsu to increase effectiveness and save more lives sounds like a good dream for Sakura to me.
I don't want it to be a formal mission from Hokage.
Desertion may work for Naruto, who is much more interested in exploring the sea than being Hokage.
Its pretty much a give with Sasuke, and Sakura isn't willing to let the two idiots out of her sight. as they run off to follow her dream.
The others are much harder to fit in.
Dreams:
Naruto - Become an awesome and reveered pirate captain.
Sasuke - Kill Itachi and avenge clan.
Tenten - Wants to learn all about the technology of the outside world.
Neji - wants to free slaves and allow them to fly free. Well, no, nevermind that one. That is much better as a Beserk Button of the highest magnatude for Neji.
I don't want Hinata's reason for leaving to be Naruto. I want her to have her own reason and dream to follow.
The same with Sakura, though obviously the fact that her boys are throwing themselves into the thick of it is a serious motivator.
Studying foreign medicine and the best way to incorporate it into medical Jutsu to increase effectiveness and save more lives sounds like a good dream for Sakura to me.
A reason for Hinata could be a desire to better herself; Strengthen her fighting style by fighting a variety of opponents with a similarly varied set of powers, a boost to her confidence/experience that can only be achieved by setting off Kerouac-style, or maybe she's leaving for political reasons (escaping an unwanted marriage/caged bird seal/etc).
I cou;ld actually see Shikamaru going to make sure that his friends outside of the team stay alive, it'd be troublesome if the died out at sea aand nobody knew about it. Choji is very likely to go if Shika goes, exotic foods also being a possible motivator as he might be able to bring some back if they ever return. Ino is then likely to follow to keep an eye on those two and Sasuke.
I don't really like the idea that the World Government wouldn't invade for the reasons you suggested. I can see them delaying because they have Dragon to deal with. But the marines vastly outnumber the ninja. And a single admiral would destroy anyone who wasn't near the ocean. And places like Kiri would be crushed by Jimbei.
Personally, I like half-assed fusions even less than throwing a bunch of characters from one world to another, but I wasn't going to read this to begin with, so I won't rain on your parade.
Though, you might want to consider a bit more drastic changes for the Elemental Counties than you have so far proposed, namely the size of the place and stuff like that. The way you've explained it comes off as a shoddy hand-wave to me. You need to ask yourself if you want the EC to be significant to the plot down the line in your story, and if you come up with a "no," then there's no real point to keep them as this big land mass with considerable military strength, is there? As you already said that you're going to change the characters for your convenience, why not go for broke and change the whole EC?
Though, you might want to consider a bit more drastic changes for the Elemental Counties than you have so far proposed, namely the size of the place and stuff like that. The way you've explained it comes off as a shoddy hand-wave to me. You need to ask yourself if you want the EC to be significant to the plot down the line in your story, and if you come up with a "no," then there's no real point to keep them as this big land mass with considerable military strength, is there? As you already said that you're going to change the characters for your convenience, why not go for broke and change the whole EC?
A couple things you'd have to think about...
When do they leave?- This not only effects what they know and can do, but whether or not they get listed as missing-nin. Plus, aside from opening a door for other characters to come with (I see Isaribi at sea, or Ayame, inspired by the cooking nin encounter, wants to become a traveling chef and see the food of the world), it would also need to be known that past a certain point, If Naruto just ran off, the toads could just reverse summon his sorry ass. Plus, you have to think, a ship full of 13 years olds isn't all that threatening.
Where is their boat? This is Naruto we're talking about, just how well did he plan ahead? Perhaps a ship built by Tazuna? Is it only stocked with Instant ramen? And do they have any money (Beli, not whatever they use in the EC)?
Who among them actually knows anything about sailing? What if they want/need to learn new techniques? I'm not sure Naruto can get away with stealing the scroll again, and who knows what the others can sneak away from their places (Sasuke would probably have a lot more luck, if the Uchiha wrote anything down).
Plus, what part of the OP world is the EC continent in? The east/west/north/south blue? The grand line?
When do they leave?- This not only effects what they know and can do, but whether or not they get listed as missing-nin. Plus, aside from opening a door for other characters to come with (I see Isaribi at sea, or Ayame, inspired by the cooking nin encounter, wants to become a traveling chef and see the food of the world), it would also need to be known that past a certain point, If Naruto just ran off, the toads could just reverse summon his sorry ass. Plus, you have to think, a ship full of 13 years olds isn't all that threatening.
Where is their boat? This is Naruto we're talking about, just how well did he plan ahead? Perhaps a ship built by Tazuna? Is it only stocked with Instant ramen? And do they have any money (Beli, not whatever they use in the EC)?
Who among them actually knows anything about sailing? What if they want/need to learn new techniques? I'm not sure Naruto can get away with stealing the scroll again, and who knows what the others can sneak away from their places (Sasuke would probably have a lot more luck, if the Uchiha wrote anything down).
Plus, what part of the OP world is the EC continent in? The east/west/north/south blue? The grand line?
I cant see them deserting there are too many genin, they are too important, if they were gathered into a group most of their teachers would be nearby and they are not sneaky enough to evade the multiple jonin
if this was a unofficial exile of some sort there would have to be at least one high level ninja around at the very least if only to keep an eye on naruto and make sure they dont get themselves killed.
if this was a unofficial exile of some sort there would have to be at least one high level ninja around at the very least if only to keep an eye on naruto and make sure they dont get themselves killed.
Is there any reason for the 12 to be missing nin? It would solve most of the problems if htey simply had orders to go out there and investigate. Because while "it's too troublesome to invade and destroy those ninjas" may not be a reason to preemptively strike at the World Goverment, it is a reason to keep very close tabs on then.
And to prevent suspicious... who better than a bunch of kids running away to become pirates? I'm sure the fact they had been perfectly loyal so far, and happen to be the very best of their generation is just a coincidence, siree.
(as a plus, you can have four other Ninja Pirate ships out there, only they are investigating whatever the hell those treehuggers are plotting. And you just have to imagine about what the poor Suna pirates are going to do on the sea)
And to prevent suspicious... who better than a bunch of kids running away to become pirates? I'm sure the fact they had been perfectly loyal so far, and happen to be the very best of their generation is just a coincidence, siree.
(as a plus, you can have four other Ninja Pirate ships out there, only they are investigating whatever the hell those treehuggers are plotting. And you just have to imagine about what the poor Suna pirates are going to do on the sea)
I can actually figure out a reason for each country to send out a team to the ocean:
Suna: If pre-Chunin Exam, Gaara killed someone that he shouldn't have and as punishment his team gets sent on a mission to a place where he'd be weaker (the ocean), maybe so he can send an assassin later. If post-C.E but before Gaara becomes Kazekage, the provisional ruling body of Suna want to keep him away out of fear that he'll become more violent without his fatherto "keep him down".
Kumo: Killer Bee wants to go wandering and thinks that his brother won't find him if he goes to the ocean. But, A finds out Bee's plan and confronts him. They argue, and A agrees to let him go if he also takes a few bodyguards to protect him/keep him from bolting.
Iwa: Onoki wants to know why the hell three other villages are letting their jinchuriki go off and leaving them relatively unprotected.
Kiri: Ditto.
The reasons aren't perfect but they work fairly well under the circumstances.
Suna: If pre-Chunin Exam, Gaara killed someone that he shouldn't have and as punishment his team gets sent on a mission to a place where he'd be weaker (the ocean), maybe so he can send an assassin later. If post-C.E but before Gaara becomes Kazekage, the provisional ruling body of Suna want to keep him away out of fear that he'll become more violent without his fatherto "keep him down".
Kumo: Killer Bee wants to go wandering and thinks that his brother won't find him if he goes to the ocean. But, A finds out Bee's plan and confronts him. They argue, and A agrees to let him go if he also takes a few bodyguards to protect him/keep him from bolting.
Iwa: Onoki wants to know why the hell three other villages are letting their jinchuriki go off and leaving them relatively unprotected.
Kiri: Ditto.
The reasons aren't perfect but they work fairly well under the circumstances.
One way, though not terribly original, of sealing the Elemental Countries away from the rest of the One Piece world is to put a Calm Belt around the entire continent. If you have to give it an origin, cook something about the Sage of Six Paths creating it for whatever reasons.
In any case, a Calm Belt would be extremely effective in keeping Narutoland entirely or mostly isolated until the Marines gain the technology to travel through those with seastone hulled ships.
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In any case, a Calm Belt would be extremely effective in keeping Narutoland entirely or mostly isolated until the Marines gain the technology to travel through those with seastone hulled ships.
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