Ranma ½ Lot's of Mommies

[GenocideHeart]

Actually, I always dismissed SM as a lame 'girl power' feminist nonsense.

I don't care how much men can be idiotic when running things, you CAN'T tell me that mankind would be better off with a Queen as craptacular as Usagi. Stupidity isn't something you grow out of. I give her so-called 'Crystal Tokyo' 2 months tops before she does something exceptionally stupid and causes it to crumble into dust.

Poor human race. Reduced to having to rely on an idiotic bimbo for their survival.

I'm not a woman hater, but women like Usagi (or men, for that matter) piss me off to no end. Stupidity and self righteousness have that effect on me.

 

[Moshulel]

Actually ... Cristal Tokyo managed to get almost destroyed by the ones they exiled in the far reaches of space brainwash the whole remaining humanity and not to forget get built on the ashes of a world which the senshi could have warned about the impending dezaster. :sweat:

 

[FH_Meta]

Actually ... Cristal Tokyo managed to get almost destroyed by the ones they exiled in the far reaches of space brainwash the whole remaining humanity and not to forget get built on the ashes of a world which the senshi could have warned about the impending dezaster. :sweat:

Well, maybe on the last part. Damn unclear time travel restrictions.

 

[Moshulel]

Well, maybe on the last part. Damn unclear time travel restrictions.

If they can send people from the future to ensure Cristal Tokyo's existence then why couldn't they save the world?

 

[FH_Meta]

Because that might invalidate that future, creating a painful loop.

 

[Moshulel]

Because that might invalidate that future, creating a painful loop.

Sailor Pluto knows about the dezaster mind you... and i see the life of bilions more important than CT...

 

[FH_Meta]

The major problem is that we have no idea whether the current outcome is a predestination paradox, and if it isn't whether or not changing the future would create and occlusion paradox.

 

[Moshulel]

I know but they do the same thing for Cristal Tokyo so you can't say that they respect the rule anyway...

 

[FH_Meta]

The problem is that creating CT probably was a predestination paradox already. Everything in the future had to happen, as it already happened in the past. Preventing anything would not only lead to an occlusion paradox but possibly nested paradoxes.

This assumes causation friendly time travel. If it's not causation friendly, then you are wholly correct and the only thing preventing them from trying to prevent the impending disaster is that they might think that they are bound by causation, and getting proof otherwise would be dangerous or come too late to really do anything about it.

Also CT is a different kind of paradox.

 

[Moshulel]

If we take it in a way CT was destined to appear because of the actions of someone who had knowledge of the future and altered it to it's own liking.

Chibiusa's return is a fine example of medling with the timeline...

They prevent certain things that could be bad for them but not those that are bad for humanity? :sweat:

 

[GenocideHeart]

The problem is that creating CT probably was a predestination paradox already. Everything in the future had to happen, as it already happened in the past. Preventing anything would not only lead to an occlusion paradox but possibly nested paradoxes.

This assumes causation friendly time travel. If it's not causation friendly, then you are wholly correct and the only thing preventing them from trying to prevent the impending disaster is that they might think that they are bound by causation, and getting proof otherwise would be dangerous or come too late to really do anything about it.

Also CT is a different kind of paradox.

One problem with it is that the series itself shows you CAN alter the timeline without causing a catastrophe.

Case in point, when Mamoru nearly died, and Chibiusa was starting to flicker wildly in and out of reality. Nothing extreme happened, at most Chibi would have vanished.

My distinct impression is that the Senshi are convinced CT is the only GOOD outcome, IE they dismiss anything else as 'not as good'.

Of course, that's a blatantly one-sided point of view. With no way to know what could happen, they are simply assuming that the only outcome they KNOPW is also the best one, but that basically kills any pretense of being 'guardians of Justice' they may have. If they really were so hung up about justice, they'd risk everything to try and save everyone. That's what being a true hero is all about.

They, on the other hand, are merely pawns of an empire. What they are doing is simply not enough. They're just trying to cut the losses and go with the safe bet... I'm sorry, but I can't respect that. If I were in their shoes, I'd say to hell with paradoxes and CT, and would do my damnedest to try and save everyone and everything, even if it killed me.

Seriously, by series' end, Eternal Sailor Moon has enough power to revive a PLANET... hell, she could arguably create one from scratch. Who are they bullshitting us, they can't stop the Great Ice? With the kinda power they have, there's no way they can't stop it... unless they THEMSELVES are either the ones who'll start it or they don't WANT to stop it.

So yeah... my view of teh Senshi is less than favorable. They're basically dismissing anything else in favor of a pointless utopia that kills individuality. If they wanted a bunch of happy little drones, they should've been reborn as queen bees, not humans.

 

[FH_Meta]

I'd argue more, but we just hit and went beyond my limit of knowledge of the series. Further arguments would just make me look like a foolish, arrogant, muleheaded idiot.

Sadly I must concede the point.

 

[Dark Knight Gafgar]

Because that might invalidate that future, creating a painful loop.

Groundhog Moon?

 

[FH_Meta]

Worse, as it could possibly have an occlusion loop nested in a predestination loop (i.e. you have opposite loops one in the other).

Good enough comparison though and a nice fic idea.

 

[007]

Be nice to see how over protective Hotaru will get. Also, be interesting on how different Ranma will turn out.

 

[Moshulel]

Oh well if you alter the future in one way what stops you to alter it in other ways?
Anyway enough of that, and another question for you guys: Mamoru the overprotective dad? (Not for Ranma )

 

[007]

I can see that, possibly having a PI follow any of Chibi-Usa's prospective boyfriends of while she's on a date; or he could do the following himself.

 

[Moshulel]

:evil: Taking into account my own vision over the Sailor Moon series and the questions i placed so far i think it's obvious what i have in mind. But anyway just another tidbit... the all too familiar Butterfly theory only that here it wont be Ranma.

 

[GaelicDragon]

:evil: Taking into account my own vision over the Sailor Moon series and the questions i placed so far i think it's obvious what i have in mind. But anyway just another tidbit... the all too familiar Butterfly theory only that here it wont be Ranma.

Chibi-Usa is the butterfly then?

*snickers* Pluto would never accept her findings if that was true.

 

[Moshulel]

Chibi-Usa is the butterfly then?

*snickers* Pluto would never accept her findings if that was true.

Opens a whole new can of worms doesn't it?

Maybe Chibi-Usa loves Ranma so much that she doesn't want too lose him and inadvertadly changes destiny? Who know? Except for me.

 

[EagleCeres]

well, as much as I love Setsuna, I didn't want to Pluto bash but...

My distinct impression is that the Senshi are convinced CT is the only GOOD outcome, IE they dismiss anything else as 'not as good'.

I think she's lead them to believe that CT after the great freeze is the ONLY viable option, maybe she scanned the time gate and other options are better for the world in general; but might cause the loss of a senshi (or more), and considering their track record on dealing with 'unforseen troubles', if theyre not together they cant really function that well... (case in point the whole Stars storyline, no spoilers unless requested) that would put more than a little fear into Pluto's ideal utopia (CT) not working out... making her play badcop in "the needs of the few vs needs of the many" type of scenario

Now upon adding everyone's favorite Chaos Magnet to the world of the senshi, you can already see themonkey wrench tossed into Pluto's nicely laid out plans. :snigger:

Hope to read more!

 

[GenocideHeart]

well, as much as I love Setsuna, I didn't want to Pluto bash but...

My distinct impression is that the Senshi are convinced CT is the only GOOD outcome, IE they dismiss anything else as 'not as good'.

I think she's lead them to believe that CT after the great freeze is the ONLY viable option, maybe she scanned the time gate and other options are better for the world in general; but might cause the loss of a senshi (or more), and considering their track record on dealing with 'unforseen troubles', if theyre not together they cant really function that well... (case in point the whole Stars storyline, no spoilers unless requested) that would put more than a little fear into Pluto's ideal utopia (CT) not working out... making her play badcop in "the needs of the few vs needs of the many" type of scenario

Now upon adding everyone's favorite Chaos Magnet to the world of the senshi, you can already see themonkey wrench tossed into Pluto's nicely laid out plans. :snigger:

Hope to read more!

Well, the problem is that Pluto isn't ALLOWED to see through time... all she CAN do is let horrifically poorly chosen people travel through time.

Basically, she's a gatekeeper, her task being 'keep anyone other than those Serenity picks from traveling through time'.

From that point of view, Gaspar, the Guru of Time in Chrono Trigger, is far more powerful, although limited in movement. The End of Time completely bypasses all time travel rules, as it literally rips the people traveling through it off the timestream, and then fixes it slowly. See the 12,000 BC ending where, since Crono never helped Ayla beat Azala, everyone (including Crono) became a Reptite eventually, as the timestream fixed itself.

 

[Moshulel]

Well, the problem is that Pluto isn't ALLOWED to see through time... all she CAN do is let horrifically poorly chosen people travel through time.

Basically, she's a gatekeeper, her task being 'keep anyone other than those Serenity picks from traveling through time'.

Actually i give her the benefit of the doubt, the first one is mind controled by the Geeas the old Serenity placed on her, while the new one is mind controled by the Geeas imposed by the New Serenity aka Usagi... Nice move for what is supposed to be paradise.

The only time we see her acting out of those geeas she loses her life. :sweat: