Akamatsuverse Mahou Sensei Negima/Cardcaptor Sakura Crossover

Ura Mamoru

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Mahou Sensei Negima and Cardcaptor Sakura Crossove

ZeroForever said:
and negi has the ability to pull a artifact that would negate all her magics... why would it degenerate into a vs setup anyways?
Not that I don't agree with you on the point of it most likely not devolving into a fight, but Negi can't pull an artifact to trump Sakura's magic - Negi and Princess Theo terminated their pactio after the tournament.


Now I'm suddenly wondering what would happen if Negi applied Taiindou vs one of the Sakura Cards. Even if the scenario is almost impossible to set up, I can't help but wonder what would happen if it did.
 

Shiakou

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Mahou Sensei Negima and Cardcaptor Sakura Crossove

ZeroForever said:
and negi has the ability to pull a artifact that would negate all her magics...
And Sakura has an artifact that negates everything, only she took the original artifact from Clow and made it even stronger, modifying it so that instead of taking out everything it touches, it can now control who/what gets nullified. Also, that particular pactio was temporary.

why would it degenerate into a vs setup anyways?

both Negi and Sakura are the talk first then be-friend you if I know talking won't work. Since they would both talk first rather then fight there's little to no reason why they would fight.
Someone mentioned that Sakura could easily be defeated by any character from the tournament arc, even the nameless ones. It's not so much a question of "why would they fight?" but a question of "regardless of whether they would ever fight, can Sakura stand up to them?".

either way fun ideas, sakura's cards are based on the pactio system but instead of just kissing to generate cards there based on girls Clow slept with to make his cards, needless to say hell hath no fury like magically powered females scorned and they come from around the dimensions for vengence after learning of his revival.
. . . So, basically the first CCS movie on crack? :lol: Between Yuuko, that unnamed magician in Hong Kong, Yue, and whoever his wife in Clow Kingdom was, Clow's ability to attract suitors is a CCS meme second only to everyone being related to everyone else.
 

Shaderic

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Mahou Sensei Negima and Cardcaptor Sakura Crossove

Well, I was assuming Manga, with only 19 cards. Mostly, because I don't even want to TRY and remember 52. Fudge, but that's alot of cards.

But, going the anime route, and allowing the incorporation of the Power, Arrow, and what not... Also, looking over the anime for a second, I mostly came up with Partial Release for speed, but it looks like Sakura has speed casting down pretty well. I suppose it's still good for stealth casting.

That said, I also visited the Wiki. Goddamn, Sakura is broken in the Anime. Time is a card. If Sakura realized what was going on, I'd say she had a shot at fighting Chao equipped with Cassiopiea.

Although, some of the cards do look kind of useless. Wave? Sand? Bubbles?
 

Shiakou

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Mahou Sensei Negima and Cardcaptor Sakura Crossove

Shaderic said:
Well, I was assuming Manga, with only 19 cards. Mostly, because I don't even want to TRY and remember 52. Fudge, but that's alot of cards.

But, going the anime route, and allowing the incorporation of the Power, Arrow, and what not... Also, looking over the anime for a second, I mostly came up with Partial Release for speed, but it looks like Sakura has speed casting down pretty well. I suppose it's still good for stealth casting.

That said, I also visited the Wiki. Goddamn, Sakura is broken in the Anime. Time is a card. If Sakura realized what was going on, I'd say she had a shot at fighting Chao equipped with Cassiopiea.

Although, some of the cards do look kind of useless. Wave? Sand? Bubbles?
Yeah, well Clow was crazy. Anime canon has it that he made card after card on nothing more than a whim, realized that he was distorting the balance of the world with all the magic he was manipulating, then created The Nothing, just so it would all balance out.

Oh, and <a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seacwxaOf2I' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>The Sand Card threatened to bury the entire school while chasing Sakura and Syaoran as a sentient dust devil</a>. The Sand Card's magical signature is also automatically hidden.
 

zeebee1

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Mahou Sensei Negima and Cardcaptor Sakura Crossove

It should be noted that Sakura has so much power that she can speak to the weather when she has the majority of her power sealed away.
 

Ryuugi

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Mahou Sensei Negima and Cardcaptor Sakura Crossove

This thread is relevant to my intrests, so I'm ressurecting it.

Anyway, as others have said, Sakura is extremely power. I mean, just awhile ago, I was going through the Cards, looking a clips of old episodes, that sort of thing. Mainly just amusing myself remembering how light and fluffy Sakura makes everything.

And all of a sudden, Fridge Logic kicked in and made me realize something.

Oh, God, would those cards be easy to abuse. It's a good thing it was Sakura who mastered them, cause those things could be nightmarish!

Check it:

She can stop and reverse time itself.

Now think about that seriously for a moment. That right there is an 'I Win' button. If she really wanted, any fight against her would go like this:

Bad Guys show up.

Sakura stops time.

Sakura pulls out a knife or whatever.

Bad Guys die.

In addition, other feats that are worth mentioning:

The Sword can cut through almost anything, including magical barriers, and, oh, the space-time continuum warps the Loop created.

The Create can make anything Sakura wants. Anything.

The only thing that can break the Shield is the Sword. Nothing gets through it; it even blocked The Time.

The Shot will hit you. End of story.

The Through means you have no chance of hurting Sakura. Also, you guys feel into the ground, which she then made solid again, crushing you to death.

The Mirror can reflect Attacks. Also, look like you and ruin your entire life.

The Storm can create huge, huge storms, including Tornadoes.

The Erase can make things stop existing.

Between Power, Fight, Jump, and Dash (and, oh, God, Sword and Shield), fighting Sakura in melee combat is, uh, suicide.

And between Loop and Maze, God, fighting her in the first place would be hellish. Throw in Illusion just to be mean.

Arrow could butcher armies.

If she tried, properly abusing The Change could ruin her enemies lives, easily.

Between Sleep and Dream, she can knock you out for as long as she wants and torture you with horrible, mind-raping nightmares.

And I know we all joke about The Flower, but that thing nearly buried a school in petals.

The Freeze has been shown to be easily abused; it can freeze water, sure, but also people. And sand.

The Hope...oh, boy, The Hope. One of her Canon powers is a Dues ex Machina; the Hope deals with situations when she expresses her feelings (like her feelings for Syaoran).

The Little can shrink things, sure. But it can do more then that. It is canonically able to shrink it's victims ability to use magic.

The Mist may not sound like much if you just know it's name. But if you know what it does, you'd know better. The Mist can create a corrosive acid that can eat through almost anything. Including metal bars.

The Shadow can hit you by screwing with your shadow, but can't be hit back. As was said, "Shadow can touch us, but we can't touch it."

The Silent can teleport away anything making noise. So Sakura's enemies better not need incantations, cause one word and they're gone.

Snow can create blizzards in warm temperatures.

The Thunder can create lightning at will. Enough said.

I'm not going to even mention the Elemental Cards; those things are nightmarish. Earthy alone can make Earthquakes.

Honestly, the only reason Sakura doesn't curbstomp the hell out of everyone she fights is because she's really, really nice, and none of them are bad guys. But if she ever got nasty...yeah. BAD END.
 

sytang

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#32
Mahou Sensei Negima and Cardcaptor Sakura Crossove

Well, Sakura's the main character of a shoujo anime... and the easiest way to defeat one of those is to interrupt their stock-animation sequence!

Seriously though, with all of Sakura's broken abilities, the only way to beat her is to get a more absurd magic user (Dark Schneider), or to get someone who can defeat magic abilities (Kamijou Touma, Ryougi Shiki, that guy from Mx0... and even that's iffy).

So Asuna should be able to beat Sakura... assuming her anti-magic abilities work and she can get close enough.

Which makes me wonder...
How would a fight between Sakura and Touma (from the Index series) go?
 

Ryuugi

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#33
Mahou Sensei Negima and Cardcaptor Sakura Crossove

Sakura can transform really fast if needed; she does that sometimes. Also, she doesn't really transform; Tomoyo makes all the costumes. Mainly her key thing just gets bigger. Also, she twirls it, but that's mainly for the benefit of best friend that likes to record her.

And, actually, while Darsh could do, none of those last three could. Why? Well, quite simply, while their powers work pretty well on magic, they don't work so well of normal stuff. Why's this an issue? Well, mainly because while Sakura uses magic to do stuff, a number of her cards can easily attack indirectly and can control natural and solid objects.

Earthy has been shown to shown to create monsters that were hundreds of feet tall and made of solid stone; i.e. hundreds, if not thousands, of tons right there. If she dropped it on them, their powers would help a lot against the magic, sure...but the magic is not the thing that's dangerous here.

Watery can control huge amounts of water; she tears it out of the pipes/hits them with a lake/whatever and drowns them.

Windy can control oxygen; she removes it from around them and lets them die. Also, she can create extremely powerful winds, and just fling something at you; the winds won't hurt them (maybe, depending on which one) but the sharpnel and debris will.

Firey...lol, Firey. Creates some fires and watches them burn.

Those are the worst offenders, but this applies to many other cards, too.

In addition, while those guys have a number of powers, they lack the one they really need. The ability to fly. Sakura flies out of reach and attacks until they die.

In addition, to worsen things, Touma (as I'm sure you know) needs to touch things with that hand; Sakura can get around that easily, as can anyone else with an imagination. Shiki can't see dots, and though we don't know why, she seems to have a hard time with physical objects. I don't really remember Mx0, though, so I can't comment on it.

Asuna is harder, since she has all over protection and has other powers, too. Having said that, the fly away and crush with Earthy (or whoever) plan should still work; it'll just be harder to pull off.

And, hm, it's riskier, but the Jump/Dash/Fight/Power combination could work too, since they don't target Asuna.
 

sytang

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Mahou Sensei Negima and Cardcaptor Sakura Crossove

Right, so in conclusion: a serious crossover between MSN and CCS wouldn't work because Sakura would just curb stomp everyone else.

...It could still work as a comedy fic though. Take the previously mentioned idea of the Clow Cards being advanced versions of pactios and somehow make it fit with the Negima verse. Maybe make Nagi and Negi descendants of Clow?
 

Ryuugi

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Mahou Sensei Negima and Cardcaptor Sakura Crossove

Lol. I was just looking through some of Sakura's feats when I remembered the one time Sakura got really angry. The Firey get's less attention then some of the other cards, but I think it's worth mentioning how powerful it is when Sakura seriously breaks it out.

<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SPXkWd3ELg' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SPXkWd3ELg</a>

I'm not sure if that ice melted or subliminated, but either way, does anyone have any idea how much heat energy would be needed to do something like that?
 

sytang

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Mahou Sensei Negima and Cardcaptor Sakura Crossove

Ryuugi said:
Lol. I was just looking through some of Sakura's feats when I remembered the one time Sakura got really angry. The Firey get's less attention then some of the other cards, but I think it's worth mentioning how powerful it is when Sakura seriously breaks it out.

<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SPXkWd3ELg' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SPXkWd3ELg</a>

I'm not sure if that ice melted or subliminated, but either way, does anyone have any idea how much heat energy would be needed to do something like that?
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If it was real snow, then the town would've been flooded... or at least the water levels in the river(or whatever it was) should've risen.
 

Ryuugi

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Mahou Sensei Negima and Cardcaptor Sakura Crossove

sytang said:
Ryuugi said:
Lol. I was just looking through some of Sakura's feats when I remembered the one time Sakura got really angry. The Firey get's less attention then some of the other cards, but I think it's worth mentioning how powerful it is when Sakura seriously breaks it out.

<a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SPXkWd3ELg' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SPXkWd3ELg</a>

I'm not sure if that ice melted or subliminated, but either way, does anyone have any idea how much heat energy would be needed to do something like that?
<a href='http://img109.imageshack.us/i/magicr.jpg/' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>
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If it was real snow, then the town would've been flooded... or at least the water levels in the river(or whatever it was) should've risen.
It was real snow, if magically created by The Snow. So it really was melted that fast, via heat energy. As for why the rivers didn't flood, the only thing that comes to mind is that it subliminated (i.e. instead of melting into water vapor, it skipped straight to being a gas) and that Sakura did something with it. I come to this conclusion because the ground was dry when Firey was done.

Did Sakura have any of the weather controlling Cards by then? I think she did.

Also, lol at another thing. The Snow did that after a hundred years of near starvation. But get this; the cards are much stronger under Sakura's control. That's right, add freezing an entire city to Sakura's potential feats.
 

Shaderic

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Mahou Sensei Negima and Cardcaptor Sakura Crossove

It's in the realm of 'You don't want to know'.
And yeah, as has been stated, Sakura's broken as hell. Her big weak point, is casting speed, along with physical speed.

That's why I suggested keyless casting. For on the fly magic use, and when you need subtlety a pink baton wouldn't give you.
 

Ryuugi

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#39
Mahou Sensei Negima and Cardcaptor Sakura Crossove

And even those weakness are erased easily enough.

Physical speed can be dealt with by the Dash and the Jump cards. And the Fly Card works very well, too, especially against things that can't fly.

As for Casting Time, do you remember that old D&D strategy? The one where you used Time Stop and then put up all those buffs that are hard or impossible to put up in normal combat, but are extremely useful?

Yeah. Sakura always has the option of using Time to give herself a bit prep time. After which, she can put on her Invincible Sword Princess Suit, i.e. The Dash/The Jump/The Fight/The Power/The Sword, and maybe the Fly, depending on the situation. After which, Dash and Jump (and possibly the Fly) basically insure that she has the mobility advantage, the Power gives her super-strength, the Fight gives her the combat skills she needs, and the Sword can cut through anything, and also makes her an amazing Swordswoman.

In addition, again depending on the situation, she can use that time to counteract her enemies advantages; if they're trying to fly, call up the Windy, if they use fire, call the Watery, etc.

Oh, and if she wants to be outright unfair. Two words. The Erase.

Like I said, Invincible Sword Princess.
 

sytang

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Mahou Sensei Negima and Cardcaptor Sakura Crossove

Since this is a MSN thread:

Who, in the Negima-verse, can beat Sakura?

Nagi?

Jack Rakan?

Evangeline?

You know, I would actually like to see a fight between Jack Rakan and Sakura. The fight would start, Sakura would start to use a powerful card and suddenly PANTIES ARE MISSING!
 

Franchise

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Mahou Sensei Negima and Cardcaptor Sakura Crossove

Sakura would not be able to continue fighting Rakan after that due to a) embarassment and B) concern for her good friend Tomoyo who was one second filming the battle and the next second fainting on the ground with a mysterious blush on her face.

Sakura has the ability to be nigh unstoppable with all the cards and their powers, she just doesn't really have the combative personality for it. Sure she can fight but she is more the type to try to reason with an enemy first and if that doesn't work use cards to stop or trap the threat while doing the least amount of harm. People like Eva could beat her because they would go all out with the start and not let up.

Now say if somebody evil used a spell to gain mind control over Sakura and had her attack with all the cards well then it would be a another story/epic matchup.
 

Ryuugi

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#42
Mahou Sensei Negima and Cardcaptor Sakura Crossove

sytang:

Hm. Hard questions, mainly because we don't really know about two of the above. I mean, we know Nagi's supposed to be the Thousand Master and equal to Rakan, but we only of a few of his spells, which leaves the other 997, or whatever, which we know shit all about. At the same time, from what we know of her personality, he probably wouldn't go all out on a cute, easy-going, peaceful ten year-old girl who doesn't like to fight. And of course, Sakura won't fight if someone's not trying to pound her face in. So, end result of...him taking her to get ice cream or something?

Seriously, though, not enough information.

Rakan probably wouldn't fight either, though he'd probably pick on her a lot and embarass her. Having said that, if it did come down to a fight, the Erase Card has proven to work on magical constructs, so she wouldn't need to worry about his Swords and weapons and shit. On the other hand, Rakan doesn't really depend on those things, either, though it's nice not to worry about hypersonic spears or battleship-sized Blades. Could the Invincible Sword Princess Suit work on Rakan...probably not. So this fight would probably depend on how brutally Sakura was willing to abuse the Time and Erase Cards. Potential (perhaps even probable) win for Sakura is she was, for some reason, willing to go for the Kill, cause those cards are game-breakers. Otherwise, probable defeat or tie, depending on how non-lethally serious the fight was.

Evangeline? Hm. Another 'we don't really know how powerful she is at full power'. She's supposed to be around Rakan's level, though. However, unlike either of the above, the Dark Evangel has no problems beating up little girls, so this fight would quickly get serious. On the other hand, if the fight gets serious, so does Sakura.

So another, dunno. Of course, proper abuse of the Time and Erase Cards can pretty much make Sakura God.

Unless you mean an Eva who was about as strong as when she first fought Negi, in which case a resounding win for Sakura.

But overall, Franchise is right; if they don't attack seriously, neither will Sakura. So more likely strategies are things like Maze/Loop/Illusion combos, with Wood, Windy, Earthy, and Watery binding techniques. Probably backed up by the Shield. If it gets to serious to stay on the defensive though, she might break out Arrow and Shot. If those don't work, she might start using Thunder (which would be a pretty good choice against Rakan) or Shadow (to counteract Eva). And if it gets really serious, which is only likely with Eva, she might break out Firey, which, as seen above, has some truely amazing firepower, and would be a good choice for dealing with Eva's ice attacks.
 

sworded

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Mahou Sensei Negima and Cardcaptor Sakura Crossove

It's easy enough to limit Sakura's curbstompping potential by simply having the story occur before she aquired and later mastered the Cards, or tweaking the raw power of the Cards to be on a equal footing to the Negi setting. You can have Sakura working her way up to equalling her full power with her status as Magical Girl of Doom being the end result of training and effort spent improviing on a still potent base level.

Still Negima has temporal, mountain busting, weather control, intangible, and reality warping magics already present. So while Sakura's sheer power and versatility might potentionaly put her at the top of the magic users, most of her abilities wouldn't be without precedent or potential counters.
 

Ryuugi

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#44
Mahou Sensei Negima and Cardcaptor Sakura Crossove

sworded said:
It's easy enough to limit Sakura's curbstompping potential by simply having the story occur before she aquired and later mastered the Cards, or tweaking the raw power of the Cards to be on a equal footing to the Negi setting. You can have Sakura working her way up to equalling her full power with her status as Magical Girl of Doom being the end result of training and effort spent improviing on a still potent base level.

Still Negima has temporal, mountain busting, weather control, intangible, and reality warping magics already present. So while Sakura's sheer power and versatility might potentionaly put her at the top of the magic users, most of her abilities wouldn't be without precedent or potential counters.
Her abilities, each taken alone, are not Game-Breaking (in Negima). But that doesn't matter, because they are not taken alone.

Allow me to explain. So there she is, Sakura. Starts with the Windy, which is basically all Negi's wind spells in one Card.

Okay, powerful but not game breaking.

Give her the ability to fly.

Okay, people who can't fly are screwed, but not a problem (in Negima).

But wait! Then give her Water, Fire, and Earth magic equal to her wind magic!

Ouch. Powerful, but still not unstoppable.

So give her Lightning, Ice, Snow, Sand, and Wood Magic, too!

Um.

And the ability to hurt people via their Shadows!

Er...

And Super strength and speed and sword skills and fighting skill, which are all high level! And an Absurdly Sharp Sword that can cut through Space-Time Warps!

Wait...

And the Ability to speed up, reverse, and stop time itself!

What?

And what's basically the Code of the Life Maker, only better! And the ability to pass through solid objects! And create things out of nothing!

Huh?

And Illusions! And a pocket dimension to trap her enemies in! And extreme Weather Control! And the power to create time-space continuum warps!

The Hell?

And the power to create corrosive mist that can chew through anything! And shrink! And Grow! And create flowers! And turn things into chocolate!

Are you making these up?
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...Yeah. Anyway, we know, taken by themselves, they aren't game breaking. But taken together...

Well, you can see why Sakura's called the strongest mage on earth.

(P.S. I didn't list all of the cards. She has more. But yes, she can do all of that. Including turning random stuff into sweets.)
 

sworded

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#45
Mahou Sensei Negima and Cardcaptor Sakura Crossove

Ryuugi said:
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...Yeah. Anyway, we know, taken by themselves, they aren't game breaking. But taken together...

Well, you can see why Sakura's called the strongest mage on earth.

(P.S. I didn't list all of the cards. She has more. But yes, she can do all of that. Including turning random stuff into sweets.)
That's why I mentioned limitting her access to all 53 Cards or lowering her power reserves so she can't power the absurd combos or produce too many super magical feats right out of the gates. Sakura as a 10 year old girl with realitively little magical training or any training at all is basically a demi-goddess at the least; I'm only saying that if an author want's to involve her in any actual combat in the Negima setting that they at least show her putting some effort in to developing that kind of power.
 

Ryuugi

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#46
Mahou Sensei Negima and Cardcaptor Sakura Crossove

It could work, but it would be hard to do well. In my experience, I almost never enjoy crossovers based on Power Creep, Power Seep. On the other hand, if we did go that route, do you have any ideas for a basic plotline?
 

zeebee1

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#47
Mahou Sensei Negima and Cardcaptor Sakura Crossove

As long as she can fly, and has the Sword and Shield card it's only a matter of catching her opponents. The ability to cut anything combined with the ability to be immune to everything is game breaking once you add flight. And even magic cancelers can't fight against the elements.
 

Ryuugi

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#48
Mahou Sensei Negima and Cardcaptor Sakura Crossove

zeebee1 said:
As long as she can fly, and has the Sword and Shield card it's only a matter of catching her opponents. The ability to cut anything combined with the ability to be immune to everything is game breaking once you add flight. And even magic cancelers can't fight against the elements.
And catching her opponents is what Time is for, isn't it?
 

zeebee1

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#49
Mahou Sensei Negima and Cardcaptor Sakura Crossove

Using Time requires a horrendous amount of energy. She wouldn't be able to use that strategy until after the series.
 

sworded

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#50
Mahou Sensei Negima and Cardcaptor Sakura Crossove

Ryuugi said:
It could work, but it would be hard to do well. In my experience, I almost never enjoy crossovers based on Power Creep, Power Seep. On the other hand, if we did go that route, do you have any ideas for a basic plotline?
Well I think the easiest would be to play with the ages somewhat to have Sakura at Mahora and still working on capturing the Cards so options are gradually increasing as the story goes on. This could be combined with her needing to train with each Card in order to use the things at their higher levels of power.

Hmm, perhaps having Sakura replace Konoka Konoe and The Book of The Clow could be something she finds while the Library or maybe as something that her father is protecting at their Kyoto home. The Clow Cards are then released and collecting them becomes tied into the normal Negi plot line as the Cards are coveted and sometimes sealed by enimies, possibly Cho as well as Fate, leading to situation were the 'wealth' is spread out. *Chuckles* For the lols the writer can have Syaoran, appropriately aged, come as a rival that falls for Sakura which inspires a rivalry in Setsuna for her affections.
 
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