Naruto Making Uzumaki (rewrite) Chapter 3

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Kakashi suppressed a yawn as he stepped into the bathroom. While normally he woke up early, today he decided that everyone had earned a good night sleep. It wasn't everyday that a genin team was able to take down a borderline S-rank nukenin, potentially secured a powerful kekkei genkai for their village, had a team member unlock another, and then rounded it all out by effectively exterminating an entire army of bandits. Then, to make matters even more interesting, one of his cute little genin lost his innocence in battle then followed it up by almost losing his 'innocence' to a hot older kunoichi, a nukenin whose shapely little ass he'd kicked just hours before. It brought a tear to his eye. They grow up so fast!

Glancing about for a moment to make sure the coast was clear, Kakashi pulled down his mask and began to brush his teeth, letting his mind wander back to his previous train of thought.

Ah, Naruto. Boy really was full of surprises. Until now he'd had the sinking suspicion that the kid had inherited his father's hair, his mother’s personality, and neither of their talent... but in this case it seems that the biggest mouth came with the biggest set of teeth. He almost wished that Sasuke had taken his time before going for a bath. Dealing with the 'aftermath' would have been damned annoying, but after Naruto's exemplary performance that day, he felt a just bit guilty for cock blocking the poor kid.

Kakashi was willing to admit that even he would have had a bitch of a time dealing with all those bandits, at least without pulling out some of his more destructive area of effect jutsu that would have done as much damage to the bridge as to the bandits. Naruto on the other hand just pulled his own army out of his ass and met them head on. He lost a couple points for style, for just charging in without a plan, but still the boy had still earned an A for Awesome.

He moved his toothbrush about and nodded. Thinking back to Haku, Kakashi himself had to admit that while she was a bit on the young side, he'd have had a hard time saying no to a teenage hottie like that. Although it had been called for under his duty as a teacher to embarrass his students at any and all opportunity, it still was an unforgivable breach of Man Law that demanded recompense. He'd definitely have to make it up to the kid for, as Gai would put it, 'dousing the flames of his youth'.

He bit the toothbrush head and wiggled the handle from side to side, thinking. How to make it up to the boy? Considering how jutsu mad the gaki was, he knew all would be forgiven with a new technique; he couldn't just teach the kid a new one. It would be unfair to his other students and teaching them all a new technique would undermine the entire point. What to do... What to do...

He grinned. Oh yeah. He'd simply pass the kid a copy of the standard Shadow Clone scroll from the Jonin Library when they got back home. Now while it might seem like a weak way to say 'sorry', considering that the brat already knew the damned technique, the simple fact was that Naruto had learned it by reverse engineering Taijuu Kage Bunshin no Jutsu into the standard version. The standard scroll's instructions included essays on a number of creative uses for the techniques. Everything from serving as the perfect expendable scout, to speeding up your learning time, to helping you deal with unwanted paperwork. The Forbidden Scroll on the other hand, he had a strong feeling the use instructions consisted of all of one word: 'Don't'.

He'd also have to exhibit Bushin Bakuha no Jutsu at some point. If anything could get a kid who was able to safely use Mass Shadow Clones to sit down, shut up, and do what he was told, it was the offer of the Explosive Clone Technique. Now, he knew he wouldn't be able to lord it over the kid forever, but by the time he was sick of chasing that carrot on a stick, Sasuke would be ready to learn some advanced Katon techniques and he guessed he could ship Sakura off to the hospital for some medic training, or something along those lines.

Sakura. He sighed. Honestly, he wasn't exactly sure what to do with the girl. She was simply not suitable for the kind of training he could teach effectively. All of Kakashi's own strengths were her weaknesses. He was a ninjutsu specialist who focused on heavy combat and assassination, most of which were highly complicated techniques that benefited from good control but required great deal of power. Sakura on the other had some of the best and finest control he'd ever seen from a genin, but almost laughable chakra reserves. In other words, she was a natural Genjutsu type. Not for the first time he regretted that he hadn't put more effort into talking Kurenai out of the Hyuga heir. Under Kurenai she would have been able to play to her strengths, and away from Sasuke she'd have had a chance to become something more than the head of the last Uchiha's cheerleading section. He shook his head. With a Hyuga he could have done so much more. Oh well, hindsight was 20/20, and this wasn't greatest mistake he'd made in his life.

He opened his Sharingan eye and looked into it before letting it morph into its advanced form. No, very far from it.

Closing Obito's eye, he spit out the toothpaste in his mouth and drew a glass of water from the sink. Taking a sip of it he started to swish it through his mouth, still thinking. Banishing his momentary melancholy, he smiled. Naruto and Sasuke on the other hand had the potential to be a source of infinite amusement. Now that Sasuke had unlocked his Sharingan, he'd literally be able to learn new techniques at a glance. He'd expected this and had been preparing for it

Naruto on the other hand was a pleasant but unexpected surprise. He'd expected a loud mouthed moron and hadn't been disappointed. Much to his own disgust, he'd almost been ready to simply dismiss the kid as more dead weight, but then he'd gone and proven Kakashi wrong. Oh, he was still a loudmouth, but the kid seemed to work well under pressure and had proven to be the greatest master of the Shadow Clone technique he'd ever seen. He'd been able to learn the kinjutsu version in just one night and was able to create literally an army at will. For all of his faults, one couldn't question the boy's work ethic; and with his mastery of Kage Bunshin, he'd be able to literally log thousands of man-hours of training in a single day.

The genius bloodline of the Uchiha clan versus the ultimate genius of hard work. Would be one hell of a show. He chuckled. He'd have to keep this quiet. The last thing he wanted to deal with was Maito Gai trying to fan their Flames of Youth. Double true if he brought his team. Gai could be bad enough alone, Gai plus his creepy little Mini Me was downright excessive.

3

Sasuke scowled for probably the fifteenth time in so many minutes as he picked at his breakfast completely ignoring the world around him. In all honesty he was in a pretty foul mood after the humiliating display the night before, and was only compounded by one especially painful fact. The dobe was closer to rebuilding his clan than Sasuke himself. Sasuke had no doubts that the fool was from some ninja clan. His insane endurance, near bottomless chakra reserves, and rapid healing couldn't be anything but a kekkei genkai. It made him question why the other boy was so hated by the villagers. Was he the only survivor of a clan of traitors?

Sasuke snorted. It didn't matter. He refused to judge a person on the sins of his kin; otherwise he might be forced to draw comparisons between himself and That Man. He could safely say he disliked Naruto on his own merits. He was a blithering idiot who refused to accept the superiority of the natural genius of the Uchiha clan over the power of his own bloodline, no matter how formidable it may be. Now that he'd unlocked his own kekkei genkai, Sasuke was sure that he leave the dobe in the dust, though even if he didn't, he did respect the fools tenacity, not that he'd ever admit it aloud.

Forcing his thought processes back on track, he raged at the indignity of it all. The idiot had been moments away from going all the way with an extremely beautiful and skilled girl, the kind of woman that Sasuke would have a hard time saying no to. It was just unfair! The dead last moron from a clan that had obviously done some ill so great that the adults were forbidden to speak of them had strong and beautiful kunoichi attracted to him, while he, the last member of the greatest clan in the whole of the elemental nations had fucking Pinky and the Blonde, along with the rest of the legion of useless fangirls trailing behind him like goldfish shit.

While he wasn't old enough to rebuild his clan as of yet, when he was, in a couple of years, he'd require women who were emotionally and physically prepared to go about the long and bloody work of rebuilding his clan. He needed mothers, not a pack of vapid, romance addled fangirls who were too blind to see the world as it was beyond their own petty delusions. Hell, even he Hyuga would be a step up. Sure there was the overriding issue of doujutsu incomparability which made such a coupling untenable, but at least she seemed to have a reasonable level of emotional and mental maturity, even if she was a doormat. She had a clear enough head to understand that he had no time for foolish romance and probably the fortitude and definitely the patience to be a good mother. She also had great tits for her age. Oh, why couldn't he attract older women, like Kiba's hot sister, or even that scantily clad psychopath that worked for ANBU T&I?

It that wasn't humiliating enough, that entire 'gay' scene made him look like a complete and utter tool. How was he supposed to know she was a woman? It was misty in there, he couldn't see any of her goods from where he'd been, and had taken the dobe's word for it, damn it! Still, it hasn't been a total loss. He'd seen her boobs and he had to admit, that they were a damned fine set. He smirked. It made him want to start 'interviewing' potential Uchiha mothers right away.

There was one negative side effect though. He simply couldn't ignore the poorly hidden glances that Sakura was sneaking at him and Naruto. That creepy, lecherous smile of hers was even worse. He grimaced and tried to side away from her, but she slid right back up next to him. He hadn't been of a mind to really consider it at the time, but she'd collapsed with a nosebleed when he'd mentioned that Haku and Naruto were being 'gay' in the bath. He shuddered. Not only was she useless, but she was also into Yaoi. And she had the gall to call Naruto a pervert because he'd been clever enough to create a technique as effective, abet silly, as the Orioke no Jutsu? Hypocrite.

3 3

Kakashi cheerfully entered the room with a smile under his mask. As per the norm, he was late. After all, he did have a reputation to uphold. As he'd expected, everyone was already at the table. Sasuke seemed to be in an especially foul mood today, something most people wouldn't be able to tell, considering his moods tended to hover between grumpy, grouchy, and pissy at all times.

Also per usual, Sakura was hovering over him like a vulture circling a dying yak, blissfully unaware of the fact that the object of her affection was completely ignoring her at best, and remaining silently contemptuous of her affections at worst. Naruto was surprisingly bright eyed and cheerful for someone who'd drained half a bottle of cheap, high potency sake the night before, and was sitting tellingly close to Haku. Now as for the pretty little nukenin, she looked exactly as you'd expect of the person who'd drained the other half of aforementioned bottle of rot-gut: absolutely miserable, and much to Kakashi's eternal amusement, was shooting telling glances at his most loud mouthed genin.

Ah, young sexual tension, it was just like Icha Icha!

Now, the civilians seemed to be mostly an improvement from their normal pitifully obnoxious states. Tazuna was actually sober for once, standing tall, proud, and actually managing to not smell like a distillary. Inari seemed almost irritatingly happy and content with himself, which was a major improvement from the annoying, pessimistic little shit he'd acted like up to this point. Tsunami on the other hand was shooting an almost unbelievable amount of killing intent for an untrained civilian at him. He was impressed. If she'd been trained she'd probably be able to kill a lesser man with it. Now, he didn't know what he'd done to piss the MILF off, but if it made her this angry, finding out was probably a good idea.

"Good morning!" he happily announced.

"You're late." Sakura snapped.

Kakashi happily ignored her griping, as usual, and looked to the bridge builder's hot daughter as he took his seat. Tsunami's eyes narrowed and a very palpable chill made its way up his spine. Damn! Woman had missed her calling! If she'd been trained as a ninja, she'd might even be scarier than Anko, and that's one freaky bitch!

"Is something the matter?" he asked, wondering exactly what had gotten her silky whites in a bunch.

"I do not appreciate you sending a young man into my furo with a bottle of sake while it was occupied by a teenage girl," she snapped in response.

Naruto blushed brightly and looked over to her. "Um. Don't be mad at Kakashi-sensei, Tsunami-neechan."

Tsunami glared at him expectantly so he continued, "Yesterday, when I fought all those thugs," he took a deep breath, "I'd never killed anyone before."

Naruto's statement crashed over the room like a wave. Immediately all eyes were on the boy. Sasuke was looking at him with a palpable sense of respect, and nodded in acknowledgment of his ability, a first. Sakura was agape, probably not having been able to look past Sasuke during the fight to even realize that Naruto'd been protecting them. Haku smiled sadly and placed her hand on Naruto's to comfort him. Tsunami was simply agape, her civilian mind having probably not comprehended that a boy barely into his adolescence could be a killer, even in the aftermath of a pitched battle, Inari was looking at Naruto with the complete admiration that only hero worship could bring, and Tazuna, Tazuna stood up from his place at the head of the table.

The drunken bridge builder looked at Naruto with hard eyes for a moment, taking the boy in, and then he bowed, deeply. "Thank you very much, Naruto-kun."

Kakashi grinned. Even with such a serious subject, it was entertaining to see Naruto's blushing like mad and scratching the back of his head with a stupid smile on his face, basking in the well deserved attention.

"You know," Kakashi remarked, "Naruto took out the thugs, but it was Haku who killed Gato." If credit was being passed around, the girl deserved some. That had been one hell of a shot. Artistically done and with outstanding timing, if he had to say so himself.

Tsunami turned to Haku and after a moment of thought, bowed slightly to her. "Thank you, Haku-san. By killing Gato you have done my people a great service. I apologize for my harsh treatment of you."

Haku smiled at the older woman. "Thank you, Tsunami-san, but it is I who should be apologizing to you. I aided in attempts to kill one of your loved ones, yet you still have found it within you to open your home to me. It is I who should be apologizing to you."

Tsunami flushed slightly and smiled. "You are not what I expected Haku-san."

"You expected someone colder and more bloodthirsty?" Haku asked.

Tsunami nodded with frown.

"I am Shinobi," Haku replied, "I have no animosity towards your father and do not wish him any harm, but Zabuza-san took the contract from Gato and so I was required to act against him. As cold as it may sound, it was not personal and I'd have much rather have left you to live your lives in peace."

Tsunami scowled. "The life of ninja sounds very cold and unfeeling."

Haku nodded, sadly. "That it is. There are times I envy you civilians and your ability to live your lives free of the callous and impersonal nature of the ninja way."

"It almost sounds like you don't really want to be a ninja," Sakura thought aloud.

"No," Haku said, clarrifying. "It is not that I did not wish to become a ninja and more that I was never given a choice. It was the dictate of my bloodline."

Sakura blinked. "What do you mean?"

"That," Haku replied, calmly but with a slight chill to her voice, making it clear she did not want to discuss it. "Is an intensely personal question that touches upon parts of my past that I'd rather not speak of."

"Hm." Sasuke nodded to Haku in understanding.

Kakashi rolled his eye at the breakfast table drama unfolding before him and helped himself to some rice, miso, and a bit of grilled fish. Once everything seemed back on track, he turned to Tazuna and absently asked, "Our contract requires us to remain here until the bridge has been completed. I need to know how long it will be before it is finished."

Tazuna sighed. "Two months."

"Oh man," Naruto whined. "We're going to be stuck here forever!"

The old man scowled and shot the genin a dirty look. "Listen, kid, we have to repair all of the equipment that Zabuza smashed, then I'm going to have to replace all of the workers that Gato ran off while I was out of the country. All of this takes time. So, unless you can pull an army out of your...," the old man trailed off then smiled from ear to ear, looking at the genin the way a bear might look at an especially plump hiker. "Say, kid, you ever consider working in construction?"

"What?" Naruto asked.

"I mean with that clone thing you can do I won't have to worry about finding new workers."

"Sure," Naruto replied. "Anything to get out of here."

Kakashi coughed, attracting both of their attentions. "There are bylaws in the Konoha Mission Codes that cover ninja doing side jobs while on assignment. If he accepts you'll be required to file it as a long duration D-rank mission and pay accordingly. I'd go into more detail, but it's all in the contract scroll you got when you hired us."

Tazuna nodded. "Alright. I'll read over it."

Kakashi nodded. "Fair enough. We also need to discuss how you're going to pay the difference between the C-ranked escort mission you hired us for and the A-ranked bodyguard mission it turned out to be. Because of the desperate situation your people were in, I'm going to ask the Hokage to waive the punitive fines but you're still going to have to pay the difference.”

Tazuna grimaced. "Does it have to be all at once? Can't you just take it out of the bridge tolls or something?"

"We'll see. When we get back to Konoha I'll speak to the Hokage about it on your behalf,” he paused before adding, “Though I strongly suggest you never attempt anything like that ever again. We are willing to forgive, but we do not forget.”

The old man paled slightly and bowed his head. “I never will, and you have my thanks for your understanding.”

“Ma, ma, don't thank me. It's rare that in the execution of our duties that Ninja are able to do something truly and undeniably good in nature.” He glanced at the man sideways, “Had you actually come clean from the beginning about what you were dealing with, we probably would have handled this for you pro bono.”

Tazuna blinked. “You're serious?”

He nodded. “Yes, high profile 'Good Guy' jobs like this are good for a village's reputation. If your little stunt hadn't put my genin's lives in danger I might have been even been tempted to ask the Hokage to excuse the difference on your behalf.”

“Ah. I see. You have my thanks, Kakashi. You're an honorable man” Tazuna smiled and finished off his tea. "Ah! Well, now that's taken care of, time to get to work!" He stood up and smiled at Konoha's loudest genin. "Naruto, I look forward to showing you how the other side makes an honest living."

Naruto grinned, "Yeah, we'll see you old drunk."

Inari smiled and looked at his mother who nodded. Pushing up from the table he ran over to Tazuna. "I'll walk you to work, grandpa!"

Kakashi simply smiled as he table began to empty, with everyone going about their daily tasks, leaving just Tsunami waiting so he could finish. Looking back to his meal and picked up a piece of fish and began to eat.

"Tsunami-chan, have I told you that you're a wonderful cook?"

The woman frowned, and placed her hands on her hips. While she was not releasing the staggering amount of killing intent she had been before, it was apparently clear that she was annoyed. "Just hurry up and eat. I have to clean the dishes."

"You know," Kakashi observed, "It's rude to rush peoples digestion."

"It's rude to be late for a meal," she countered.

Kakashi simply took a sip of tea and shrugged.

Touche.

3 3 3

Haku smiled as she walked next to Naruto as the two left Tazuna's house. She didn't know where he was going but it was pleasant to walk with her friend regardless. Closing her eyes and took a deep breath knowing that she had a very busy day ahead of her. There were simply too many things that needed to get done and with her physical injury combined with her chakra fatigue she didn't feel in much of a condition to accomplish it. Still, she had to get it done regardless.

Looking at the younger boy next to her she pursed her lips thoughtfully. While she still didn't know Naruto very well, she was already well aware that he was the quite possibly the most energetic person she'd ever met. His personality was vibrant to the point of being overwhelming and his stamina was downright superhuman. While she hadn't seen it, she'd been told about the Shadow Clone army he'd used to defeat Gato's men. It was a little selfish, but just maybe- She smiled.

"Naruto-kun?" Haku asked.

"Yeah, Haku-chan?" the orange clad boy asked, looking up to her with a smile across his face. "What do you need?"

"Where are you headed?" she asked.

Naruto smiled. "I'm going into the woods to train. How about you?"

"Becoming stronger to protect your precious people?" Haku asked, wistfully.

"Yeah!" Naruto exclaimed. "I'm going to get stronger so I can protect you and everyone else I care about! Then I'll become Hokage and be able to protect everyone, and they'll have no choice but to acknowledge me because I'll be somebody that everyone can look up to!"

Haku's smile grew as she took in Naruto's words. It was strange to her that she was already beginning to feel the same kind of selfless dedication for him that she'd felt for Zabuza-san, but she guessed it was due to his nature. Already he counted her among his most precious people and it warmed her heart. He was a pure spirit, heroic and kind. The type of person who made you feel stronger just for knowing him, and who's radiance could bring the best out in people. This did make her wonder though.

Naruto had a passion for training that was beyond impressive, his spirit made him a natural leader of men, and his charka reserves were beyond ludicrous. Even discounting her own suspicions as to the nature of his frightening hidden power, he had the potential to become one of the most powerful ninja in the elemental countries, yet he was woefully under trained.

During their battle she'd clearly seen glaring weaknesses in his fighting style. The only ninjutsu she'd seen him use was the shadow clone technique and his taijutsu was a mess. It was inefficient and flashy. That wasn't to say that he wasn't any good. Strip her of her tools, and Haku had little doubt that she'd be hard pressed to keep up with him. Technically her skill level was superior, but he had superior strength and stamina, as well as the passion for taijutsu that she lacked. Haku despised pure hand to hand combat. She'd rather use weapons or close range ninjutsu then use taijutsu any day of the week. Yet despite his strengths and his passion, his skills were sorely lacking.

For some strange reason, Naruto's training was a joke, and she failed to get the punchline.

Haku suppressed a snort. She was reminded of something Zabuza-san had once said to her in passing. When you have a problem, you solve it. Now, when he'd said that he'd been speaking in reference to an especially tenacious hunter-nin, and his method of solving the problem had been to split the man from groin to scalp, but still, the point did stand. This was a problem and she was going to solve it.

"There are several things I must handle in the village, Naruto-kun," she said. "I was going to ask if you'd accompany me, but I have no wish to disturb your training. I will be in town most of the day."

Naruto's eyes widened and he began to make warding gestures with his hands. "It's okay, I can just train later!"

Haku smiled, though not with complete honesty. She felt a bit guilty about manipulating the boy. Naruto was lonely and he held onto moments of companionship like a drowning man gulps for air. Her only comfort was that by doing so she'd be furthering both their interests.

"But Naruto-kun, if you skip your training then how will you become strong enough to protect me?" she asked him, playfully.

Naruto blushed and scratched the back of his head, a bit embarrassed but emboldened by the closeness implied in the remark. "Well, I-," he trailed off, seemingly unsure of what to say

Haku pursed her lips and rubbed her chin, making a show of thinking before smiling once again, this time more honestly. "I've got it," she said.

Naruto grinned. "So you gonna teach me a cool new jutsu or something?"

"Actually," Haku replied, "Yes."

Naruto's eyes went wide as saucers and his jaw dropped. He actually looked something like a fish. He was utterly speechless. The look in his eyes was telling though. Before, the offer of a day's companionship was like a breath to a drowning man, but this was something that went above and beyond even that. I seemed like he was having trouble understanding that someone would actually say 'yes' to that question. There was total love and admiration in those eyes, and it angered her. Was he so neglected in his training that the simple offer of a new jutsu was something that meant so much to him?

Regaining his wits Naruto started to run and bounce around her like a hyperactive child, which in some ways he still was. She fought back a laugh. He must have been a terror as a student.

She paused for a moment and looked at the boy sadly. Her eyes had an immediate effect on Naruto. His energy stilled itself and he frowned slightly. "Are you alright, Haku?"

She fought down what she really wanted to ask and instead decided that she needed to keep to business. "Naruto-kun, what elemental affinity are you attuned to?"

Naruto blinked, obviously confused. "Elemental what?"

Haku frowned. She'd heard mention that in many countries they didn't bother to test for Elemental affinity until a ninja reached Chunin rank, but Zabuza had always said that was foolish. Elemental affinity was easy to test for and critical for a ninja's development. Even if you couldn't teach nature transformation to a Genin, you could still teach them jutsu of their element so they'd already have a repertoire of appropriate techniques at the ready when the time came.

"I don't have any bloodlines or anything," he continued. "I can't use ice or anything like you do."

Haku resisted the urge to grit her teeth. Again obvious holes in his education presented themselves. What was Konoha thinking sending him into the field so unprepared? What was that cyclopean scarecrow teaching him? It was making her headache come back.

"Honesty," she admitted, “I'm wondering how you can even use ninjutsu without knowing about basic chakra transformation. The Uchiha has his Fire Release technique so you have to have been taught at least a fundamental understanding of elemental chakra."

"Sasuke's known that jutsu for like ever," Naruto replied. "So what are you talking about?"

"Most ninja have an elemental affinity," she said. "A few have more than one. Out of those few, some have the natural ability to mix their affinities and create new elements. My elemental natures are wind and water, but my bloodline grants me the natural ability to combine them to create ice."

Naruto blinked. "Does that mean you can only use elemental jutsu that you have an affinity for?"

"No, it just makes creating them much easier,” Haku paused for a moment and then decided to explain in full. “Using your elemental affinity is simple once you've learned how. It becomes literally second nature to you. Much of the work is instinctive and your chakra is able to naturally form that element with only minimal effort. Without an affinity, a jutsu will require additional hand seals to mold your raw chakra into that element. Would you like me to demonstrate?”

Naruto grinned. “Yeah, sure!”

“Alright. I will show you the Wild Water Wave technique as an example,” she replied.

Dragon.

Tiger.

Hare.

She slowly moved her hands through the three seals needed to perform the technique so Naruto could see and then took a deep breath.

“Suiton: Mizurappa!”

She spat, shooting a small water jet across the clearing. Normally the power of her technique would have been much more impressive, but as she was low on energy and only giving Naruto an example, she had no desire to use more than the bare minimum of chakra.

“Huh, that's pretty cool, Haku-chan!” Naruto said with a smile. “Could you teach me that? Please?”

She smiled. “Maybe later, Naruto-kun, right now I'd like to finish what I'm doing first.”

He grinned, clearly satisfied with her answer

“Now, I will show you it again using nature transformation. Observe.”

This time, she only formed the Hare sign and repeated the technique, again shooting a small stream of water across the clearing.

“Do you see what I mean?” she asked.

“Yeah, you only had to use one hand seal this time,” he observed.

“Correct,” she replied, “Elemental mastery not only allows for faster performance of techniques, but it makes them more efficient, allowing for much greater power. That is why I asked you your elemental affinity.”

“I get it now! Thanks Haku.” He blushed, “I guess I don't know my affinity.”

She nodded. “We will have to get some chakra testing papers soon. Besides my Hyoton abilities, I have mastered both Water and Wind transformation and know a number of Suiton and Futon jutsu. If either of them are your elemental nature I believe I could be of help to you,” she paused for a moment, “Though if you're another elemental type, I will do what I can but I'm afraid I won't be much assistance."

“That's okay, Haku,” he paused and then grinned widely, “So think we could get started now, even though we don't know my element?”

“Possibly,” Haku rubbed her chin slightly, "Naruto, if I may ask, what has your sensei been teaching you?"

"Well, he taught us how to stick to trees," Naruto said.

She frowned deeply. "I was taught that when I was seven."

"Woah, seriously?" Naruto asked wide eyed. "You must be really strong!"

Ugh. What the hell was Konoha thinking? "Has he even started teaching you water walking?"

"No," Naruto admitted.

“Has he taught you anything else?”

Naruto frowned. “Not really. It's mostly been sparing and teamwork stuff.”

"How long has he been your sensei?"

Naruto sighed. "A few months."

"And all he's taught you is tree climbing?" she asked, almost not believing her ears. Of all the lazy useless- it made her want to scream! She frowned and shook her head, speaking as much to herself as to him. "You'll never get anywhere at this rate."

"I know, and it sucks!" Naruto exclaimed. He glared at her. The look of betrayal in his eyes was painful to behold "I thought you're different, but now you're telling me I'm a dobe too?"

"No," She said, putting her hand on the shorter ninja shoulder. "You're not a dobe. I think you have the potential to be the strongest ninja in the world."

"Really?" he asked, the anger and frustration in his voice vanishing instantly as if it had been cast to the wind.

Haku smiled. "Yes I do. I just think you need some individual instruction."

He looked hopefully at Haku. "So does that mean you're offering to train me?"

"Yes. Yes I am, Naruto-kun. I'll teach you whatever I can"

Naruto's smile as infectious. "Awesome! So we're going to start with that cool water jutsu, right?"

She shook her head.

He frowned. “Come on, Haku!”

She looked at him and crossed her arms. “Zabuza-sama always said that if you're going to learn to use Water Jutsu you better know how to walk it first.”

“Oh,” Naruto looked down for a moment before grinning and looking back up. “And then you'll teach me that one?”

She shook her head. “Naruto, I can't promise you that it will be next, but I will teach it to you. I do promises you that.”

His smile grew even more. The look on his face only cemented her intention. She'd never seen anyone as happy as Naruto seemed to be right now. It reminded her of the drunken oaths they'd sworn to each other. She promised to help him achieve his dream, and he swore to protect her as one of his precious people. He was strong, and she believed in him.

"Though I warn you now though that you have a great deal to learn. Your fighting style is very sloppy."

Naruto frowned and looked at his feet. Unlike before he wasn't taking offense to her observations, rather he was listening to them, and while he didn't seem to like it, he was paying attention to them. "Well, yeah," he admitted, a little reluctantly. "I had to teach myself a lot."

That surprised her. A self taught ninja from one of the five main ninja villages? "Doesn't Konoha had a Ninja Academy."

"It does, but few of the instructors had the time for me," Naruto said, scowling. "I tried to learn the forms everybody else did but when I needed help, nobody really gave me any. Except Iruka-sensei, but well-" Naruto sighed. "He tried his best, but he still had a whole class and all."

Haku grimaced. It was worse than she thought. "Were all of your instructors like that?"

Naruto nodded sadly. "Pretty much. Mizuki-sensei gave me some time, but considering he tried to kill me, I don't think that counts."

Haku blinked. Then she blinked again. What the? "You're telling me one of your teachers tried to kill you?"

"Yeah," Naruto admitted. "I failed the genin exam three times. They always asked us to do Bunshin no Jutsu but that's my worse technique. After I failed, he told me there was another secret test."

Haku grimaced. She didn't like where this was going.

"He told me that all I had to do was steal the forbidden scroll of sealing from the Hokage Tower and learn a jutsu from it, so I did." He grinned. "I even knocked out the old man with my awesome original jutsu."

"Huh?" Haku blinked. Did she just hear him right? Did a genin have a jutsu so powerful that he could bring down a kage? She had to know this technique! While it would do her little good now, she couldn't help but remember fighting the Mizukage and his terrible power. She had to believe there was something that could take that monster down, and if this was it, she had to see it. "Show me this jutsu," she demanded.

Naruto grinned. "Oiroke no Jutsu!"

In a burst of smoke, Naruto was replaced with a beautiful girl with long silky hair, generous curves, and not a stitch of clothing. In fact the only thing protecting her modesty at all was a few whiffs of smoke that actually seemed to be more strategically placed to draw attention to her assets than to hide them from view.

Haku felt her eyebrow twitch slightly. So, the Sandaime Hokage was a dirty old man and Naruto defeated him by flashing him. Wouldn't be of any use against Yagura, that was for sure. Though if she ever needed something with which to blackmail a Kage, this was certainly it. "What a tasteless technique."

Naruto giggled like the kind of shallow, air-headed civilian girl who liked to stalk her when she dressed as a boy and blew her a kiss. It made her skin crawl. "Tasteless, but effective!"

With a poof of smoke, Naruto changed back and grinned. "Pretty cool, huh?"

Haku frowned. Part of her wanted to smack him up the back of the head for coming up with such a perverse jutsu, but she had a feeling that this was one of those cases where if it was stupid and it worked, it wasn't stupid. Just never expect her to use it in the field. The idea of flashing her enemies into submission simply didn't appeal to her.

“I am impressed that you have been able to master Henge to a degree that allows you to perform it with only a single hand seal.”

Naruto deflated somewhat, disappointed by the fact that she was not as amused by the technique as he was, but still encouraged by by her mild praise.

"Please, continue the story," she said, not wanting to discuss the technique anymore.

Naruto nodded. "Okay. So I got the scroll and started to study it. A few hours later Iruka-sensei showed up and asked me what I was doing. I told him, then Mizuki-sensei showed up and-" Naruto trailed off. He bit his lip and looked uncomfortable for a moment. He continued, but by the tone of his voice, she had a feeling he was leaving something out. "Mizuki-sensei tried to kill us. Iruka-sensei got hurt protecting me, so I used the technique I learned from the scroll, Taijuu Kage Bunshin no Jutsu, and kicked Mizuki-sensei's butt." He smiled. "After that, Iruka-sensei told me to close my eyes, and when I opened them I was a genin, dattebayo!"

Haku blinked. "Hold on, you're telling me you learned the kinjutsu version of an advanced level jutsu in only a couple of hours?"

"Yeah. Pretty cool, right?"

"And they call you a dobe?"

He nodded.

"Fools."

Naruto beamed. "Thanks Haku!"

She frowned and looked over at the boy. "Naruto, what did this Mizuki teach?"

"Taijutsu mostly, why?"

She couldn't help but facepalm. "That explains a lot."

Naruto blinked in confusion. "What?"

"Please, do not take this the wrong way, but your taijutsu..." She paused for a moment trying to think of a diplomatic way to put this. “...Is in need of serious refinement.”

Naruto grimaced for a moment opened his mouth to retaliate, but after a moment snapped it shut and looked at Haku in annoyance before saying, "What do you mean? I thought I was pretty good. Mizuki-sensei always complimented me on my skills!"

"This being same Mizuki-sensei who tried to kill you, correct?"

Naruto blinked, blushed, and scratched the back of his head with a laugh, "Well, when you say it like that, I guess I see your point."

She nodded with a grim look on her face. "I believe he sabotaged your efforts by intentionally teaching you the wrong way to do things."

Naruto blinked. "But thats where I got all my best grades and Mizuki-sensei wasn't the only testing us in taijutsu!"

Haku nodded. "I believe that is due to your own natural aptitude. I have seen you fight, and you are strong and fast, with impressive stamina and an unpredictable fighting style. Your own innate ability makes you a dangerous opponent. The problem is that your fundamentals are flawed, and this lowers your effectiveness greatly. As much as it pains me to say this; I'm going to have to teach you the basics of taijutsu."

Naruto frowned. "Why does it pain you to say that? I thought you wanted to teach me!"

"I do," she replied, "It is just that I'm a ninjutsu specialist. I have little talent for taijutsu, and while I know the forms well enough, I find little pleasure in it."

"Oh." He blinked. "So how about you teach me a cool Jutsu?"

She sighed, “Naruto...”

“Please?”

She paused for a moment of thought then nodded. Alright, fine. If he needed the basics, she's start with absolute the basics. "Very well, I will show you a technique, but afterwards I'm going to teach you water walking and you will not complain. Understood?”

“I got ya, Haku-chan!” he exclaimed, almost hopping in place with excitement, “So what are you going to teach me?”


“I will teach you a basic technique taught to all Kiri-nin. It is technically a water release technique, but it is simple enough that it can be performed using only the most elementary understanding of elemental nature. You've seen this technique before. It is a technique that Zabuza-san used against your sensei: the Kirigakure no Jutsu."

"Awesome!" Naruto grinned. "If it can work against Kakashi-sensei's sharingan, then it'll sure work against that bastard Sasuke's!"

"Unfortunately, I am unable to demonstrate it for you." Haku blushed. "I'm still low on chakra, and showing you the Mizurappa was somewhat reckless on my part."

Naruto shrugged. "It's alright. I've already seen it done."

"Good, I just didn't want you to be disappointed. I will show you the hand seals and tell you what to do. Alright?"

Naruto grinned. "Yeah!"

Haku took a deep breath and began. “The basic seals are Ox, Hair, Ram. It works by using your charka to increase the local humidity by drawing out the surrounding water and changing the localized temperature gradient by rapidly cooling in order to create a thick blinding fog. Do you understand?"

Naruto paused for a moment and nodded. "So I do those hand sighs, draw out some water and cool down the air to make it fog up?"

She nodded. "Yes."

"Alright! This'll be easy, dattebayo!" With a manic grin on his face Naruto formed the hand signs. "Kirigakure no Jutsu!"

Haku blink in surprise as the entire world went completely white. She'd seen some pretty thick mists created before. It had been Zabuza's favorite technique and her duel elemental nature strengthened both the water gathering and atmospheric cooling aspects of the jutsu, but this was just ridiculous. She could barely see her hands in front of her face.

"Naruto?" She called out, stepping forward in the direction that he'd been in. "Are you still there?"

"Yeah, Haku-chan," He replied. "I think I used too much chakra."

"Naruto-kun, are you still maintaining the technique?"

"Yeah, I think so."

Haku sighed and shook her head."Stop. It should dissipate momentarily.."

"Oh." Naruto replied. "Okay."

She sighed and crossed her arms, waiting for it to fade. "Naruto-kun, we really need to work on your control."

"Um, I guess so."

“Huh...” Haku thought to herself for a moment. Naruto was overpowering that technique immensely. When she'd begun training as a ninja her above average reserves made training difficult until she'd mastered basic chakra control techniques. Considering Naruto's sheer volume of power that could have been the reason for some of his problems.

“Naruto, when the mist fades, I want you to make a clone for me."

“Right, one Kage Bunshin coming right up!”

“No,” she replied, “I want you to create a normal clone.”

"Oh, man!" Naruto whined. "I suck at that technique."

Haku raised an eyebrow. "Shouldn't that be reason enough for you to improve it?"

"But I already know how to make Shadow Clones!" Naruto said, "Why do I need stupid, regular clones?"

Haku thought for a moment. "Regular clones are insubstantial. Being hit won't destroy them."

"Yeah, but they can't actually do anything."

"They'd draw attention off of your shadow clones. If you had a few Bunshin to serve as decoys for every Kage Bunshin then the enemy would have a much harder time destroying them. Besides, if seeing hundreds of you is intimidating, what would thousands be like?"

Naruto blinked and then smiled savagely "I never thought of it that way!" he paused before adding, "I still hate that technique though."

Haku smiled. She had a feeling she could motivate him. "Let's make a deal. If you can create a single perfect clone, I'll teach you a very special jutsu, one that is very useful but requires a great deal of control to use."

"Oh? What technique?"

Haku smiled. Hook. Line.

"Shunshin no Jutsu."

"Cool!" Naruto exclaimed. "I'll master it in no time, dattebayo!"

Haku grinned like a Hoshigaki. Sinker.

"So, Haku?"

"Yes, Naruto?"

"Do you have um, any tips for me?"

She paused for a moment and bit her lip. "Naruto, my instinct is that you're overpowering the technique. Just try and make as many clones as possible using as little chakra as you can and work your way down from there."

"Oh." He paused. "Haku-chan?"

"Yes, Naruto-kun?"

"Shouldn't the mist have cleared up by now?"

She frowned. Yes. It should have. It normally cleared up in just a couple of minutes if that, and even now she was barely able to make him out through the fog, which was pretty incredible considering he was less than ten feet away from her. "Exactly how much charka did you use?"

"Er, I don't know. I just put in as much as I could?"

Haku opened her mouth to reply but was cut off from a cry from the distance.

"Naruto-kun? Haku-san?" It was Sakura. "Are you out here? Hello?"

"Oi! Sakura-chan!" Naruto exclaimed. "We're right here!"

"Right where?" she asked, "This blinding fog is covering most of the town! What happened? Where is everyone?"

Haku winced. Oh yeah. She was going to get him started on water walking as soon as possible. She'd heard of chakra control issues, but this was just ridiculous.
 
#2
Haha, oh man, I've always found the scene where Naruto learned the hidden mist jutsu hilarious. It still doesn't fail to get me to laugh, even if it isn't really a laughing matter. But this shows just how ungodly much chakra Naruto has... Also, I don't think this chapter got much reworking, did it?
 

Psyckosama

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#3
Trilonias said:
Haha, oh man, I've always found the scene where Naruto learned the hidden mist jutsu hilarious. It still doesn't fail to get me to laugh, even if it isn't really a laughing matter. But this shows just how ungodly much chakra Naruto has... Also, I don't think this chapter got much reworking, did it?
It actually got the most so far. The "Learning the Hidden Mist Jujitsu" scene was actually reworked and heavily expanded. I used it as a chance to basically explain how Elemental Ninjutsu work to Naruto... or at least my theory on it.

Makes Haku look a lot more aware IMHO.
 

Prince Charon

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#4
This is good, and I'm glad it's alive, again.
 

FinalMax

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#5
"Hell, even the Hyuga would be a step up." Not, "Hell, he Hyuga would be a step up." That was the only part that needed a tweak from what I could tell.
 
#6
Psyckosama said:
Trilonias said:
Haha, oh man, I've always found the scene where Naruto learned the hidden mist jutsu hilarious. It still doesn't fail to get me to laugh, even if it isn't really a laughing matter. But this shows just how ungodly much chakra Naruto has... Also, I don't think this chapter got much reworking, did it?
It actually got the most so far. The "Learning the Hidden Mist Jujitsu" scene was actually reworked and heavily expanded. I used it as a chance to basically explain how Elemental Ninjutsu work to Naruto... or at least my theory on it.

Makes Haku look a lot more aware IMHO.
And this just goes to show how much I pay attention... or rather, how much I think I remember and what I actually do remember. I like how you explained it in story then, because it flowed pretty naturally to me...
 

Ashaman

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#7
Three things come to mind.

The first is the whole Tai-jutsu thing; not only does the whole thing as you've presented not make sense, it doesn't really click with canon either. No one has ever stated that Naruto had poor skills in that category, and he actually seems fairly effective with it.

The way it doesn't make sense is that, even if Mizuki did teach it to him, as soon as someone like Iruka sees it, he'd tell him what's wrong, which would directly contradict what Mizuki was telling him.

The second thing is your timeline - Naruto says Kakashi has been his teacher for "a few months", but its probably more like 4-6 weeks since Naruto graduated.

And finally, a minor point - Naruto's problem when it comes to jutsu isn't over powering them - its under powering them.
 

Knyght

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#8
What Ashaman said.

And Iruka always appeared to be Naruto's main teacher in the flashbacks, including all the practical exercises such as sparring (I have to wonder why Mizuki was even at the graduation test). He usually seems quick to point out Naruto's flaws, generally speaking. I'd say you're going overboard here with "oh gawd he's been sabotaged" and could instead use Haku's unorthodox training, fresh perspective and genuine interest in Naruto to show that she can perhaps see flaws in his style that others missed or didn't think were necessary to correct at the time or just suggest improvements that could be made.

Haku also manages to make the Konoha education system and Kakashi seem fairly incompetent. It should probably be made clearer that her training was unlike regular ninja since she didn't go to an academy but got picked up Zabuza who taught her everything he knew. I wouldn't think she'd have much experience with what students and genin normally learn. So she instead just tries to teach Naruto the way she was taught. Also, there's no reason why Naruto couldn't have been using replacement and transformation rather than just shadow clones, which makes him seem worse than he is when he's used both in combat.

Timeline-wise, I'd lean towards 6 weeks or so by my head-canon. As an fyi, Team 7 stayed in Wave Country for another two weeks after the battle until the bridge was completed in the manga. Naruto's chakra issue is a case of generating too much chakra and then not putting enough into the jutsu, wasting most of it.

...And I have a more fundamental issue with the story but I'm not sure it's worth mentioning. It'd basically be a rewrite in itself, at least with the first part of the story and would probably create a different tone to your more lighthearted approach. :hmm:

Edit: Man, I say all that but I've only skimmed this and the first chapter of rewrite (though I've read the original). I should rectify that.
 

Ashaman

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#9
Haku also manages to make the Konoha education system and Kakashi seem fairly incompetent.
This is another of the points I was trying to make.

Its not that Konoha's education is bad - its that Naruto is a bad student. Or rather, he's a dumb student who finds it difficult to focus. And the fact that for Team 7, this was their first mission and the worst they expected to encounter was bandits, their proficiency is about right.

Basically, Haku can criticize Konoha and the rest as much as she likes - but at the end of the day you need to make it clear that these are just her opinions, not necessarily facts, and that they were formed by an extremely talented girl who lived on the run.
 

BukkakeNoJutsu

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#10
Man. I missed this story! I'm glad to see it's active.

I don't mind the Mizuki taijutsu sabotage as much. Iruka could have just noticed that Naruto is decent at it and been more concerned with Naruto's attendance or him paying attention in class
 

Psyckosama

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#11
Ashaman said:
The first is the whole Tai-jutsu thing; not only does the whole thing as you've presented not make sense, it doesn't really click with canon either. No one has ever stated that Naruto had poor skills in that category, and he actually seems fairly effective with it.
He is. And there's a logic behind my madness.

Though really, if you look at his report card he's a C in Taijutsu and pretty much fails EVERYTHING else.

The way it doesn't make sense is that, even if Mizuki did teach it to him, as soon as someone like Iruka sees it, he'd tell him what's wrong, which would directly contradict what Mizuki was telling him.
It's less that Mizuki was doing the fanon "Teaching him an intentionally flawed system" and more that he'd give him encouragement at all the wrong moments.

The second thing is your timeline - Naruto says Kakashi has been his teacher for "a few months", but its probably more like 4-6 weeks since Naruto graduated.
See, the way I always saw it was that there was a chunin exam every 6 months and a new graduating class every 6 months.

Though if you can argue the point I'll happily change it.

And finally, a minor point - Naruto's problem when it comes to jutsu isn't over powering them - its under powering them.
... I personally think him overpowering them makes a hell of a lot more sense.

knight504 said:
And Iruka always appeared to be Naruto's main teacher in the flashbacks, including all the practical exercises such as sparring (I have to wonder why Mizuki was even at the graduation test). He usually seems quick to point out Naruto's flaws, generally speaking.
There were other teachers in the academy, the use of Iruka in all those scenes is because he was an immediately recognizable fan favorite.

The way I'm writing it is Iruka did mostly the theoretical but Mizuki's specialty was the practicals.

I'd say you're going overboard here with "oh gawd he's been sabotaged" and could instead use Haku's unorthodox training, fresh perspective and genuine interest in Naruto to show that she can perhaps see flaws in his style that others missed or didn't think were necessary to correct at the time or just suggest improvements that could be made.
Okay. Lets talk over PM or IM. I'd love to have some interested POVs.

Haku also manages to make the Konoha education system and Kakashi seem fairly incompetent. It should probably be made clearer that her training was unlike regular ninja since she didn't go to an academy but got picked up Zabuza who taught her everything he knew. I wouldn't think she'd have much experience with what students and genin normally learn.
Actually, you're right on the money. She's looking at it from someone who was trained to be a weapon. She actually has much more in common with a Root operative than a common shinobi. The problem is that scene is from her POV and the recollection is from the point of view of Naruto "TEACH ME AN AWESOME JUTSU!" Uzumaki, who up to this point sees anything that isn't a "super awesome ninja technique!" as a waste of time and energy.

So she instead just tries to teach Naruto the way she was taught. Also, there's no reason why Naruto couldn't have been using replacement and transformation rather than just shadow clones, which makes him seem worse than he is when he's used both in combat.
One of naruto's issues early on was his disregard for anything that wasn't flashy. Shadow Clones are flashy. Using Henge to turn into a sexbomb, flashy...

Though as for replacement, its frankly all of the ninja in the series seem to forget about it when its most useful :p

Timeline-wise, I'd lean towards 6 weeks or so by my head-canon. As an fyi, Team 7 stayed in Wave Country for another two weeks after the battle until the bridge was completed in the manga.
Got any evidence to the time line because I have a hard time believing that the chunin exams are only 2 months after graduation. I personally am trying to stretch it out a bit.

Naruto's chakra issue is a case of generating too much chakra and then not putting enough into the jutsu, wasting most of it.
I still think that overpowering it until they short out is funnier. :p

[/quote]...And I have a more fundamental issue with the story but I'm not sure it's worth mentioning. It'd basically be a rewrite in itself, at least with the first part of the story and would probably create a different tone to your more lighthearted approach. :hmm:[/quote]

I'm always open to thoughtful C&C. Shoot.

Edit: Man, I say all that but I've only skimmed this and the first chapter of rewrite (though I've read the original). I should rectify that.
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Please do. I'd like your input.

Ashaman said:
Its not that Konoha's education is bad - its that Naruto is a bad student. Or rather, he's a dumb student who finds it difficult to focus. And the fact that for Team 7, this was their first mission and the worst they expected to encounter was bandits, their proficiency is about right.
Actually, you're right on the money. To say Naruto was a crap student is an insult to fecal matter everywhere. He was a menace and a brat who spent mosto f his time either causing trouble, cutting class and causing trouble, or thinking up ways to cut class and/or cause trouble.

THe origin of the self taught thing was that for various reasons was because even if/when he did pay attention most of the teachers didn't give him much attention. Remember, back when he was young... about 6, probably just starting off, he hadn't yet adopted his loud and cheery personality. He was a morose and bitter kid... and back then the Bias was probably still very strong. Even Iruka hared him at first. It was only when he turned into the goofball that Iruka saw the similarity to his own youth and realized he was just a lonely kid screaming for attention.

Really, Naruto's piss poor education is a perfect storm consisting of their preconceptions, his emotional trauma, and the fact that the teachers wrote him off and he wrote most of them (and everything they had to teach) off...

Basically, Haku can criticize Konoha and the rest as much as she likes - but at the end of the day you need to make it clear that these are just her opinions, not necessarily facts, and that they were formed by an extremely talented girl who lived on the run.
An extremely talented girl who was the personal tool/apprentice of an A-ranked ninja whoes childhood pretty much revolved around teaching her how to kill.

My take is she's a teenage Tokubetsu Jonin level Kunoichi.

BukkakeNoJutsu said:
I don't mind the Mizuki taijutsu sabotage as much. Iruka could have just noticed that Naruto is decent at it and been more concerned with Naruto's attendance or him paying attention in class
Bingo. He just thought he was being as sloppy with Taijutsu as he was with everything else and trusted Mizuki to tell him the truth... and while in a perfect world he would have strapped naruto down in front of a chalk board and pounded a ninja education into his head with a goddamned hammer, the man had 90 other students to care about.

And to explain my logic with the 90...

There were three classes of 30 in every "batch" of students. Each batch had two full time teachers and a larger number of specialist teachers who taught specific subjects.

For example, over the standard 6 hour school day Naruto's class might spend two 45 minute classes doing lecture with Iruka, two 45 minute periods of practical drill with Mizuki, and then two 45 minute specialist seasons such as the girls "Kunoichi classes" divided by an hour lunch as 2 15 minute recesses.

This might seem awful lax but they're kids and children have the attention spans of small rodents.
 

Ashaman

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Psyckosama said:
The second thing is your timeline - Naruto says Kakashi has been his teacher for "a few months", but its probably more like 4-6 weeks since Naruto graduated.
See, the way I always saw it was that there was a chunin exam every 6 months and a new graduating class every 6 months.

Though if you can argue the point I'll happily change it.



Timeline-wise, I'd lean towards 6 weeks or so by my head-canon. As an fyi, Team 7 stayed in Wave Country for another two weeks after the battle until the bridge was completed in the manga.
Got any evidence to the time line because I have a hard time believing that the chunin exams are only 2 months after graduation. I personally am trying to stretch it out a bit.


Ashaman said:
Its not that Konoha's education is bad - its that Naruto is a bad student. Or rather, he's a dumb student who finds it difficult to focus. And the fact that for Team 7, this was their first mission and the worst they expected to encounter was bandits, their proficiency is about right.
Actually, you're right on the money. To say Naruto was a crap student is an insult to fecal matter everywhere. He was a menace and a brat who spent mosto f his time either causing trouble, cutting class and causing trouble, or thinking up ways to cut class and/or cause trouble.

THe origin of the self taught thing was that for various reasons was because even if/when he did pay attention most of the teachers didn't give him much attention. Remember, back when he was young... about 6, probably just starting off, he hadn't yet adopted his loud and cheery personality. He was a morose and bitter kid... and back then the Bias was probably still very strong. Even Iruka hared him at first. It was only when he turned into the goofball that Iruka saw the similarity to his own youth and realized he was just a lonely kid screaming for attention.

Really, Naruto's piss poor education is a perfect storm consisting of their preconceptions, his emotional trauma, and the fact that the teachers wrote him off and he wrote most of them (and everything they had to teach) off...

Basically, Haku can criticize Konoha and the rest as much as she likes - but at the end of the day you need to make it clear that these are just her opinions, not necessarily facts, and that they were formed by an extremely talented girl who lived on the run.
An extremely talented girl who was the personal tool/apprentice of an A-ranked ninja whoes childhood pretty much revolved around teaching her how to kill.

My take is she's a teenage Tokubetsu Jonin level Kunoichi.
I'm fine on the points then.

To be honest, my main worry is that these are usually the first warning signs of Super!Naruto fics. It starts off with pushing all the blame onto Konoha, because of course Naruto couldn't be at fault for any lapses in his knowledge and training.

As for the Timeline.


It is a fairly flexible and not at all clear, but basically, the main points are:

The Chuunin Exams start on July 1st.

The Wave mission takes place in Spring.

Before the Wave mission, Sarutobi refers to Team 7 as "just recently became genin"

Its arguable, but to me, fairly obvious that Kakashi's bell test doesn't take place mid winter, ergo it must be late winter, early spring or early winter, late autumn. However, the latter somewhat contradicts Sarutobi's above statement, and it would mean that this would be the second Chunin exam that takes place while they are genin.

So it must be the former, which means early spring, late winter; this fits in with the Japanese school year, which graduates in March.
 

Psyckosama

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Ashaman said:
I'm fine on the points then.

To be honest, my main worry is that these are usually the first warning signs of Super!Naruto fics. It starts off with pushing all the blame onto Konoha, because of course Naruto couldn't be at fault for any lapses in his knowledge and training.
Oh, don't worry. The fact that Naruto completely slacked off and has no common shinobi knowledge is going to become very apparent... and the fact is... if he thought Iruka was strict, wait until he has to deal with the teaching standards adopted daughter of the demon of the bloody fucking mists.

As for the Timeline.


It is a fairly flexible and not at all clear, but basically, the main points are:

The Chuunin Exams start on July 1st.
Where does it say that?

The Wave mission takes place in Spring.
And that?

Before the Wave mission, Sarutobi refers to Team 7 as "just recently became genin"

Its arguable, but to me, fairly obvious that Kakashi's bell test doesn't take place mid winter, ergo it must be late winter, early spring or early winter, late autumn. However, the latter somewhat contradicts Sarutobi's above statement, and it would mean that this would be the second Chunin exam that takes place while they are genin.

So it must be the former, which means early spring, late winter; this fits in with the Japanese school year, which graduates in March.
Just wondering how you're judging that. I mean, do we ever see snow in Konoha and the forests aren't exactly natural. Considering the name... I could see Hi no Kuni having mild winters.

I do like your logic though and will consider it.
 

nixofcyzerra

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#14
The thing is... Iruka's kinda oblivious to some things. Isn't it canon that Mizuki spent the entire time of his "friendship" with Iruka discreetly trying to make him miserable, and Iruka didn't notice?

Why would he notice Mizuki doing it to anyone else? He'd probably just chalk it up to the student either not listening or lacking talent in that area.
 

Psyckosama

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#15
nixofcyzerra said:
The thing is... Iruka's kinda oblivious to some things. Isn't it canon that Mizuki spent the entire time of his "friendship" with Iruka discreetly trying to make him miserable, and Iruka didn't notice?

Why would he notice Mizuki doing it to anyone else? He'd probably just chalk it up to the student either not listening or lacking talent in that area.
Very good point you have there.
 

GaelicDragon

Well-Known Member
#16
If you think about it, having the academy graduation and the chunin exam only a few months apart makes sense. Especially when you consider that the various villages are only going to send their top teams into another village. For the home village, they probably give the newly minted genin prime seats to watch the matches as both motivation and inspiration. Remember, Iruka and Saturobi were rather suprised that the Jonin actually nominated the rookie class for the chuunin exam.
 

Ashaman

Well-Known Member
#17
Psyckosama said:
Ashaman said:
I'm fine on the points then.

To be honest, my main worry is that these are usually the first warning signs of Super!Naruto fics. It starts off with pushing all the blame onto Konoha, because of course Naruto couldn't be at fault for any lapses in his knowledge and training.
Oh, don't worry. The fact that Naruto completely slacked off and has no common shinobi knowledge is going to become very apparent... and the fact is... if he thought Iruka was strict, wait until he has to deal with the teaching standards adopted daughter of the demon of the bloody fucking mists.

As for the Timeline.


It is a fairly flexible and not at all clear, but basically, the main points are:

The Chuunin Exams start on July 1st.
Where does it say that?

The Wave mission takes place in Spring.
And that?

Before the Wave mission, Sarutobi refers to Team 7 as "just recently became genin"

Its arguable, but to me, fairly obvious that Kakashi's bell test doesn't take place mid winter, ergo it must be late winter, early spring or early winter, late autumn. However, the latter somewhat contradicts Sarutobi's above statement, and it would mean that this would be the second Chunin exam that takes place while they are genin.

So it must be the former, which means early spring, late winter; this fits in with the Japanese school year, which graduates in March.
Just wondering how you're judging that. I mean, do we ever see snow in Konoha and the forests aren't exactly natural. Considering the name... I could see Hi no Kuni having mild winters.

I do like your logic though and will consider it.
Chunin exam here

Spring here


Isn't it canon that Mizuki spent the entire time of his "friendship" with Iruka discreetly trying to make him miserable, and Iruka didn't notice?
Not as far as I'm aware. Mizuki's only appearance in the manga was in the first chapter.

He appeared more in anime filler though.
 

Psyckosama

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#18
Have to check up on some stuff.

Though I admit I am predisposed to drag it out as I wanted to have some stuff happen between coming back and the exam... but I can easily handle that by cutting them off at the front end. Just have it so the mission starts in early - mid spring.

Thanks a lot. Really. You were a great help.

Be interested in talking over IM? I could use someone to throw ideas at and look over beta versions.

Not as far as I'm aware. Mizuki's only appearance in the manga was in the first chapter.

He appeared more in anime filler though.
I use the anime as a secondary resource.
 

Psyckosama

Well-Known Member
#19
Ashaman, something I just found out...

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Sasuke_and_Sakura:_Friends_or_Foes%3F

"Although not shown in the manga, at the beginning of the episode a shot of Naruto's calendar reveals the starting date of the series to be on Tuesday the 15th of October rather than sometime at the end of March as originally speculated by fans since in Japan the usual time for a school year to end is at the end of March and begin again at the beginning of April."

What do you guys think I should do?
 

datakim

Well-Known Member
#20
Psyckosama said:
... I personally think him overpowering them makes a hell of a lot more sense.

[...]

I still think that overpowering it until they short out is funnier. :p
A bit late to the party, but heres a question.

Jiraiya is Narutos godfather considering the latest canon, so realistically the scene where they meet during the chuunin exam and Jiraiyas decision to teach Naruto about harnessing Kyuubis chakra and learn toad summoning was no accident. Well, I think it originally was supposed to be, but I think Jiraiya being Narutos godfather was a retcon, so realistically Jiraiya would look Naruto up based on the current canon so those scenes would be hard to avoid.

If you are going with the idea that Naruto is overpowering his techniques, how do you explain his inability to summon without massive chakra boost from Kyuubi?

I mean Naruto has way more chakra than Jiraiya, so if he is overpowering his techniques, he should basically have got Gamabunta himself without any need for Kyuubi, and possibly Fukasaku&Shima with Kyuubi.

The tadpoles make perfect sense however, if he underpowers his techniques due to poor chakra control.

I do agree though that overpowering would make a lot more sense. Especially since he apparently still has such horrible control after learning both the tree and water chakra control exercises (he still only summons tadpoles after that). And fogging the entire village was indeed amusing. Dunno about this really.

Also, while I don't really know about the timelines, I do agree that you should not make Kakashi look horribly incompetent as a teacher. Bashing a character too much is generally not great.

So if you go with a timeline where Kakashi has been Narutos teacher for months and months, you should find a way to explain why Kakashi has not yet had time to truly train Naruto or notice any of the problems that Haku sees instantly and so on.

I mean not teaching basic stuff like treewalking or fixing Narutos problems would make sense if Kakashi has been teaching Naruto for just some weeks (you could say he is still observing them before really starting to teach or whatever). But if Kakashi has been Narutos teacher for several months, the internal logic starts to break down a bit IMHO.
 

Knyght

The Collector
#21
Naruto spending around nine months as a genin before even the Chuunin Exam arc doesn't sound right to me at all. On Jiraiya (though I'm not sure why you're bringing him up), I prefer to think that the meeting was an accident and in some respects, I don't dislike the fact that he was a bad godfather.

And I don't really see how Naruto overpowering techniques makes more sense? Especially considering the results he gets. It's just seems more of a common trope in manga. If anything, the fact that he creates too much chakra but uses too little should emphasize the fact that it's a genuine problem and why he's been such a piss-poor student since he's essentially messing up twice over. And while it doesn't hit my funny bone either way, under-performing a jutsu after making all that chakra doesn't seem any less 'humorous' than over-performing it.
 

Yorae Rasante

Well-Known Member
#22
Psyckosama said:
Ashaman, something I just found out...

http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Sasuke_and_Sakura:_Friends_or_Foes%3F

"Although not shown in the manga, at the beginning of the episode a shot of Naruto's calendar reveals the starting date of the series to be on Tuesday the 15th of October rather than sometime at the end of March as originally speculated by fans since in Japan the usual time for a school year to end is at the end of March and begin again at the beginning of April."

What do you guys think I should do?
So, Narutoland is clearly in the south side of the equator line, where summer starts in december 20-something?
Since Wave still happens in spring, that gives about two months of time for it to happen.
 

Psyckosama

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#23
Loki Fenrisulf IV said:
So, Narutoland is clearly in the south side of the equator line, where summer starts in december 20-something?
Since Wave still happens in spring, that gives about two months of time for it to happen.
Doesn't line up with a July 1st Chunin exam.

Though I thought of a simple solution that I intend to lampshade later on.

Dumbass forgot to keep his calendar up to date :p
 

Psyckosama

Well-Known Member
#24
datakim said:
If you are going with the idea that Naruto is overpowering his techniques, how do you explain his inability to summon without massive chakra boost from Kyuubi?

I mean Naruto has way more chakra than Jiraiya, so if he is overpowering his techniques, he should basically have got Gamabunta himself without any need for Kyuubi, and possibly Fukasaku&Shima with Kyuubi.

The tadpoles make perfect sense however, if he underpowers his techniques due to poor chakra control.
Actually Jiraiya's entire intent was to make him call on the Kyubi Chakra. Before he started teaching Naruto how to summon he make NAruto expend most of his Chakra.

He couldn't overpower it because he didn't have enough chakra to do so.

http://a.mtcdn.com/manga/p/362/201840/39.jpg

I do agree though that overpowering would make a lot more sense. Especially since he apparently still has such horrible control after learning both the tree and water chakra control exercises (he still only summons tadpoles after that). And fogging the entire village was indeed amusing. Dunno about this really.
See above.

Also, while I don't really know about the timelines, I do agree that you should not make Kakashi look horribly incompetent as a teacher. Bashing a character too much is generally not great.
Don't intent to I actually LIKE Kakashi.

So if you go with a timeline where Kakashi has been Narutos teacher for months and months, you should find a way to explain why Kakashi has not yet had time to truly train Naruto or notice any of the problems that Haku sees instantly and so on.
I'm not. And I've decided to just joke that naruto's calender needs to be changed.

I mean not teaching basic stuff like treewalking or fixing Narutos problems would make sense if Kakashi has been teaching Naruto for just some weeks (you could say he is still observing them before really starting to teach or whatever). But if Kakashi has been Narutos teacher for several months, the internal logic starts to break down a bit IMHO.
I agree. Not that the series has much internal logic to begin with.
 

datakim

Well-Known Member
#25
knight504 said:
On Jiraiya (though I'm not sure why you're bringing him up), I prefer to think that the meeting was an accident and in some respects, I don't dislike the fact that he was a bad godfather.
He was a bad godfather, but overall he is a decent person. He knows now that Akatsuki is after Naruto, so I figure based on current canon, he would arrange somekind of meeting and have Naruto sign the toad scroll. If nothing else, it would give a small hope of being able to rescue Naruto via reverse summoning if the Akatsuki get him.

Infact you could say teaching him to use Kyuubis power was because of Akatsuki too. Kyuubi is exactly the kind of extreme-emergency powerup that would make sense if someone a lot more skilled than you is out to get you. It did not work on Itachi and Kisame, but only because Kisame had a chakra eating sword. If Naruto met say Kakuzu and Hidan somewhere, then being able to use Kyuubi to summon Gamabunta would be an excellent way to escape.

As for why I brought him up, it was to point the fact that in canon, Naruto indeed does underpower his techniques. I have no problem with that being changed, but it would seem to me that this changes Jiraiya situation a bit. See below further.

And I don't really see how Naruto overpowering techniques makes more sense?
I dunno. I guess I tend to visualise chakra as somekind of liquid or gas or something, and since Naruto has so much, its easy to imagine that when he opens the "valve" so to speak, the pressure of absurd amounts of chakra causes too much chakra to come out.

Its not that way in canon, but I can certainly see why the idea of overloading would work (and why many fanfics probably use it). Too much of something (chakra) in a container too little to contain it (child Naruto) equalling that something (chakra) seeking to escape in great amounts due to the pressure its under, whenever an opening (jutsu being used) appears.


Psyckosama said:
Actually Jiraiya's entire intent was to make him call on the Kyubi Chakra. Before he started teaching Naruto how to summon he make NAruto expend most of his Chakra.
Truthfully, the canon of pre-timeskip is less clear to me. When I started, I first watched Naruto as an anime, then read it, and then(and now) shippuuden as manga&anime both. I sometimes confuse what happened with Anime with what is canon. Fortunately the pre-TS anime follows canon pretty closely.

Was Naruto always forced to use up his chakra during the sessions? I should reread all those sections.

However, I do seem to recall that Naruto tries summoning against Gaara, and gets Gamakichi. That atleast was a scene where Naruto had not used up his chakra reserves yet (he had fought only Neji, and should still have had most of his chakra left). Infact does he not summon humongous amounts of clones afterwards to demonstrate that he still have boatloads of chakra left at that point.

So why did he only get Gamakichi there? He should have gotten Gamabunta on his own there.

I agree. Not that the series has much internal logic to begin with.
Thats certainly true, but I figure fanfics should try to make up for that by making sense.
 
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