Marvel Discussion

[KageX]

Breaking News!

Spiderman in the upcoming Marvel Now! Superior Spiderman is confirmed to NOT be Peter Parker. And the new guy is going to be "darker" then the previous version of Spiderman! Finally this unknown Spiderman might be getting it on with Mary Jane!

Goddammit Marvel, do you really need to keep pulling this kind of shit? This really has the potential to end up as another Clone Saga.

In light of this I think we are going to need a thread to discuss all the "changes" that are going to be coming soon. We already have one for the DC Revamp, I am just making one a bit early. Marvel Now doesn't come out for a while yet but I believe the anger it will spawn with these recently announced "changes" will piss people off.

God knows that despite not seeing this "big change" being teased as coming up in #700 people will still want to complain about what they know about this change of direction.

However this is a general topic for all Marvel discussion. Feel free to post about any issues you have with Marvel's admittedly large collection of mistakes, or about the things you believe they did right.

 

[Ordo]

Spoilers.

"No. More. Phoenix."

.....can they DO that?

 

[nick012000]

Are they undoing One More Day?

 

[KageX]

Spoilers.

"No. More. Phoenix."

.....can they DO that?

In a Cosmic sense no way in hell, you just can't remove the Living Embodiment of the potential of Unborn Life and Evolution Itself.

In short the idea comes across as a potential set up for more shenanigans revolving around the purpose of the Phoenix Force for the future, as removing it can potentially end the Universe. In other words, exactly what we would expect Marvel to do.

And Nick, no they are undoing One More Day. It looks like Peter Parker is going to be out of commission for Earth 616 (mainstream marvel) for quite some time, if not killed outright by Doctor Octopus. This will allow a new "darker and edgier" Spiderman to take over, and start macking on MJ.

I believe we can all unite and say "Goddammit Marvel!".

This reminds me of a throwaway line from Shattered Dimensions in 2099 Dr. Octopus's profile about basing her suits abilities on the original Dr. Octopus who supposedly killed the original Spiderman in a final climactic battle before dying himself. So that could potentially happen.

But still we have to wait and see what happens in December when Amazing Spiderman #700 comes out.

 

[TC_Hazard]

Spoilers.

"No. More. Phoenix."

.....can they DO that?

They should have done it many years ago.

 

[Seed00]

What is this I read about Spider man 616 being removed and what are the relevant comics that i need to read? The last one I read was the aftermath of Doc Ock trying to fry the world using Peter's horizon tech.

 

[KageX]

It is the confirmation from Marvel that the "new" Superior Spiderman Series that is coming after Amazing Spiderman #700 is going to feature a new character as Spiderman, and that it will be "darker and edgier". Also there is a promo image of this "new" Spiderman with his mask rolled up kissing MJ.

Finally the writer handling Spiderman now has said that after #700 comes out he will be "the most hated man in comics". So yeah things are not looking good for Peter Parker. Either he will end up dead, depowered, or in a coma while a new guy runs around with his title and is heavily implied to not care about the whole "don't kill enemies no matter how much they deserve it" Peter has tried to adhere to religiously, despite the number of times it has come back to bite him in the ass.

This is just idle speculation at the moment as we don't know what is going to happen to Peter Parker until December, but given what info we have things are looking pretty grim for everyone's favorite webslinger.

I started this topic because this and several other changes in the upcoming "Marvel Now" are going to need alot of discussion and likely to piss people off.

As I said before the DC Reboot has it's own topic, we are likely going to need one for Marvel Now, so I just put it up a little early.

Be prepared for much anger over the directions that Marvel seems to be taking things.

Edit:

Now where was that link....... dammit can't find, well I don't remember where I originally heard it, but we did get confirmation at Comic Con, and it was posted <a href='http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/10/14/nycc-the-amazing-spider-man-panel-recap' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>here on IGN</a>. So yeah that guy kissing MJ is not Peter Parker, but his replacement in the new "Dark and Weird" Superior Spiderman.

One has to wonder with this guy being touted as stronger then Peter and supposedly "better" in every physical way how his friends will react to this new guy taking up the mantle of Spiderman? Keep in mind that in recent years Peter has gained some very powerful friends who might not be happy about someone "masquerading" as Spiderman. And that he has been in solid with the Fantastic Four for years. The New Guy might be stronger, but it was never strength that defined Peter Parker's career, nor his intelligence or even his quipping. It was the fact that in the end he was one of the most decent and caring Heroes in the Marvel Universe. If this new guy goes to places that Peter wouldn't, such as crippling or even killing the bad guys, then I would think that Peter's friends would be pissed about what is being done with the Spiderman "Legacy".

Admittedly this would make for a very interesting read, as despite a similar situation in the Ultimate Universe, Peter Parker in 616 has been doing his schtick for a hell of a lot longer then his Ultimate counterpart, and as such anyone trying to replace him as Spiderman would be under a lot more scrutiny, especially from several of Peter's well placed friends such as the Fantastic Four and Wolverine.

This of course still won't stop people from bitching. Hell this is probably going to be even worse then the Ultimate Universe's "Death of Spiderman".

 

[Seed00]

Is this point where Ivew reached the age where I talk about the good oldays of comics? Cuz this is what I feel like at moment.

Oh well, theres always Iron man.

 

[Ordo]

This of course still won't stop people from bitching. Hell this is probably going to be even worse then the Ultimate Universe's "Death of Spiderman".

You know, at least Miles is trying to honor the legacy of Peter Parker. So far (to my knowledge) he's been following Parker's rules on combat. Also Miles is actually a lot smaller and a bit weaker than the original. Heck Miles really needs the invisibility power and his Spider bite because he lacks the strength, the webs and the expierence even Ultimate Parker had. So seeing him slowly rise up to shoulder such a burden is actually interesting to see.

As for this new pretender.....well a running commentary on a writer interview seems appropriate.

10:46AM EDT October 11. 2012 - Spider-Man has been amazing for 50 years. In 2013, he becomes superior.

Peter Parker will always be amazing...but I doubt this new guy will be superior in any way that counts.

The wall-crawling superhero and Marvel Comics icon is the natural star of the brand-new Superior Spider-Man series launching in January as part of the "Marvel NOW!" initiative. It replaces Amazing Spider-Man in the lineup following a landmark 700th issue out Dec. 26.

However, this "enormous" change is an all-new development for the decades-old character and will result in a far darker Spider-Man than fans have ever seen, promises Dan Slott, the Amazing Spider-Man writer who's heading up Superior Spider-Man. "The one thing that does not go with this Spider-Man is the term 'Friendly neighborhood.' No. That's gone.

Why do you feel the need to get rid of that aspect of Spider-man? Was there something wrong with Spider-man being one of the most compassionate and friendly heroes in the Marvel Universe?

"I've always been the omniscient hand that's been protecting Peter Parker and Spider-Man, and not letting anything too bad happen to him," he adds. "And now I've become this cruel god. There's something exciting about that, about going, 'Mwah-ha-ha-ha-ha, here is what's going to happen to you, Spider-Man!' And it's drastic and it's big and it's exciting and it's never been done before."

That dosen't make it a good idea.

Ryan Stegman (Scarlet Spider, Fantastic Four) is the artist of the first three issues, and Amazing illustrators Humberto Ramos and Giuseppe Camuncoli will rotate in on subsequent story arcs.

Stegman says there will be some alterations to the old Spidey costume ù tying into some new abilities ù that make him look a little more intimidating. "His belt looks a little different, and there's points at the end of his glove that add a little aggressiveness to his costume."

.....whoa....'90's Kid' moment there...

That ties into his personality, Slott confirms. "He's not going to be doing things the old Spider-Man way. There will be a new way of doing things.

"The first story arc is called 'Hero or menace?' I think that pretty much tells you where we're going."

Down the drain?

Amazing Spider-Man editor Stephen Wacker has been teasing publicly that it might be time for a new Spidey who isn't Peter Parker, Slott says, but the writer remains cryptic about who exactly will be under the mask.

Look, it was fine in the Ultimate universe but I don't think this works in the 616'verse.

"You've got to ask yourself, what does 'Superior Spider-Man' mean? Does this mean a Spider-Man with a greater power set? Or maybe he's moving to Michigan. Just set up shop next to Lake Superior," the writer quips.

It means you've lost/forgotten how to write Spider-man, and/or what being an actual 'hero' means.

Whatever happens in Superior Spider-Man, though, spins out of the events of Amazing No. 700.

Slott has recently been writing Peter as having less and less compassion for villains such as Morbius the Living Vampire and the Lizard, and that could factor into the upcoming story line in which Doctor Octopus has one day to live, his whole life has been ruined by his archenemy, and he just so happens to know Peter actually is Spidey.

Slott sent new Avenging Spider-Man writer Christopher Yost the issue early since he'll have the "superior" Spidey in his book wanted to get him up to speed, and Yost tweeted that, "despite being dead inside," issue 700 was "one of (the) best issues I've ever read."

....not exactly a comforting statement.

"I don't know if everyone's going to react like Chris Yost," Slott says. "All I know is I'm going into my reinforced bunker when 700 comes out."

That won't save you. Spider-man fans exist all across the world. There's no place you can hide, no where that will protect you in the end if/when you screw this up.

Whether or not Marvel fans storm the company's New York City offices with pitchforks and web shooters once Superior Spider-Man comes out ù after recently turning in the plot for the second issue, Slott predicts they're going "to be crumpling it in their hands while they're reading it" ù the folks inside the building are all for Spidey's new direction.

Why is pissing off the fans considered a good thing. Shouldn't he be trying to wow them? if this is Peter's Swan song Shouldn't people be crying bitter sweet or dare I say it happy tears?

At one of Marvel's editorial retreats, Slott gave his spiel for the first year of Superior Spider-Man and received the biggest reaction ever from Marvel editor in chief Axel Alonso: "He goes, 'You know, usually when you talk I just hear a lot of fanfic. But this is a roller coaster. I've got to hang on!'

While "Marvel NOW!" features many of the company's top writers playing musical chairs with the superhero books ù Brian Michael Bendis moving from Avengers to All-New X-Men, Jonathan Hickman switching to Avengers after helming Fantastic Four, etc. ù Slott made it clear he only wanted Spider-Man.

That sounds ominous....

Plus, he had already been planning this move from fun romp to dark adventure anyway that meets the needs of "Marvel NOW!"

"You're getting a new writer on this book," Slott says, "and his name also happens to be Dan Slott and he is very messed up. I hear this guy wrote Arkham Asylum and Great Lakes Avengers.

"That other Dan Slott? He's adorable. This guy, he's a freak."

I think I want the 'adorable' one. He sounds like a better writer.

The Spidey may be a little different but the rest of the wall-crawler's world is very similar in Superior Spider-Man. Stegman says there will be an all-new Sinister Six ù with at least one new member ù and many of the familiar supporting characters that have made Amazing Spider-Man great since the early 1960s will be there, too, although they may look a little different on his watch.

"I try to keep the history in mind," says the artist, who's always had a soft spot for John Romita Sr.'s '60s-era 'Mary Jane Watson. "A lot of guys make Aunt May almost look like a witch, which is something I want to stay away from. Just because you're old, you don't have to look like a monster."

Superior Spider-Man is the dream job for Stegman, who's been doodling Spidey in sketchbooks since he was a little boy. His first cover for the new series is the most exciting thing he's ever done in comics, he says.

"I remember having Spider-Man covers I would tear off and put on the wall. I hope that first-issue cover can be that for some kids out there."

Slott feels a similar excitement.

"As someone who's been reading Amazing Spider-Man since he was 8 years old, am I sad Amazing's going away? Yeah," the writer says. "But as the guy who pushed down the plunger and blew everything up, I'm like, 'Yeah! Did you see the size of that explosion? That was awesome!' "

No, what'll be awesome is the reboot that wipes this mess from the history books.

 

[Ordo]

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? Thor's past focuses on pre-Mj÷lnir adventures on Earth, hanging out with vikings, getting tore up, and swinging a battle axe.

? Thor's present takes place in space, where he encounters space gods. (Ribic promised that he'd be drumming up some impossible extraterrestrial architecture in the style of Moebius.)

? Finally, Thor's future sees the hero in Asgard at the end of the universe. He's missing an eye, an arm ù fortunately, he's replaced his missing limb with one from the mechanical war machine, The Destroyer ù and all of his friends. Thor's the last Asgardian. He's not alone in this far-flung reality, but it's unclear who's left. One thing's for certain ù his adventures with the Avengers happened so long ago they barely register.

Each of these Thors narrates his own story, and the mystery of the god serial killer ù "Gorr The God Butcher," who Aaron characterizes as a creepy little nemesis who hangs out in the shadows ù is interwoven throughout each story. Aaron's making a point to pare down Thor's supporting cast for storytelling purposes, but he did mention that such characters as Mangog, Sif, The Warriors Three, and Beta Ray Bill may be among those making appearances.

 

[TC_Hazard]

Why is pissing off the fans considered a good thing. Shouldn't he be trying to wow them? if this is Peter's Swan song Shouldn't people be crying bitter sweet or dare I say it happy tears?

Because there is no greater pleasure than pissing off the fans.

That said, the amount of teasing done about the Superior Spider-Man makes it clear that it is not going to end up being (in the end at least) what they are hinting it to be.

Honestly, Slott has been doing a pretty damn great job writing Spider-Man so far (haven't managed to catch up in post Ends of the Earth stuff yet unfortunately). So I'm going to trust him to see where this goes.

 

[Ordo]

Why is pissing off the fans considered a good thing. Shouldn't he be trying to wow them? if this is Peter's Swan song Shouldn't people be crying bitter sweet or dare I say it happy tears?

Because there is no greater pleasure than pissing off the fans.

That said, the amount of teasing done about the Superior Spider-Man makes it clear that it is not going to end up being (in the end at least) what they are hinting it to be.

Honestly, Slott has been doing a pretty damn great job writing Spider-Man so far (haven't managed to catch up in post Ends of the Earth stuff yet unfortunately). So I'm going to trust him to see where this goes.

I hope you are right, for Slott's sake. The Fandom is not as forgiving as I am.

 

[nixofcyzerra]

I'm seeing parallels to when Azrael took over as Batman in DC comics a while back.

I forget, how was that received again?

 

[shinzero01]

Gotta make our heroes edgy. Otherwise they won't be cool.

"I've always been the omniscient hand that's been protecting Peter Parker and Spider-Man, and not letting anything too bad happen to him," he adds. "And now I've become this cruel god. There's something exciting about that, about going, 'Mwah-ha-ha-ha-ha, here is what's going to happen to you, Spider-Man!' And it's drastic and it's big and it's exciting and it's never been done before."

Wait, wait, wait... PROTECTING? He's DEAD in one timeline. He got raped by a bug lady after being turned into a giant spider and impregnated, died as a giant spider, then gave BIRTH TO HIMSELF. He got BEAT TO DEATH by someone who consumes his power type in 616 Canon, Then got better and walked straight into a civil war where he ended up giving up his identity after being directly manipulated by Tony Stark, putting all his loved ones in danger. His entire backstory is full of tragedy. To the point where when he was about to lose another loved one, he was willing to make a deal with the devil that cost him nearly everything. He gets trampled on constantly by villains that other heroes can KO just by thinking at them. Spidey wasn't protected. The only people that go through more shit constantly than he does in Marvel is the X-men and thats because their entire universe is racist as hell.

 

[TC_Hazard]

Gotta make our heroes edgy. Otherwise they won't be cool.

"I've always been the omniscient hand that's been protecting Peter Parker and Spider-Man, and not letting anything too bad happen to him," he adds. "And now I've become this cruel god. There's something exciting about that, about going, 'Mwah-ha-ha-ha-ha, here is what's going to happen to you, Spider-Man!' And it's drastic and it's big and it's exciting and it's never been done before."

Wait, wait, wait... PROTECTING? He's DEAD in one timeline. He got raped by a bug lady after being turned into a giant spider and impregnated, died as a giant spider, then gave BIRTH TO HIMSELF. He got BEAT TO DEATH by someone who consumes his power type in 616 Canon, Then got better and walked straight into a civil war where he ended up giving up his identity after being directly manipulated by Tony Stark, putting all his loved ones in danger. His entire backstory is full of tragedy. To the point where when he was about to lose another loved one, he was willing to make a deal with the devil that cost him nearly everything. He gets trampled on constantly by villains that other heroes can KO just by thinking at them. Spidey wasn't protected. The only people that go through more shit constantly than he does in Marvel is the X-men and thats because their entire universe is racist as hell.

Yeah, but Slott wasn't in charge of Spider-Man then.

Slott was responsible for the cool stuff, like making the Sinister Six (especially Ock) into pretty big threats (though Gauntlet did a lot of the groundwork there), and making Peter get an actual job as a successful scientist.

And the X-Men go through shit because some times a shared continuity makes no sense.

 

[shinzero01]

Gotta make our heroes edgy. Otherwise they won't be cool.

"I've always been the omniscient hand that's been protecting Peter Parker and Spider-Man, and not letting anything too bad happen to him," he adds. "And now I've become this cruel god. There's something exciting about that, about going, 'Mwah-ha-ha-ha-ha, here is what's going to happen to you, Spider-Man!' And it's drastic and it's big and it's exciting and it's never been done before."

Wait, wait, wait... PROTECTING? He's DEAD in one timeline. He got raped by a bug lady after being turned into a giant spider and impregnated, died as a giant spider, then gave BIRTH TO HIMSELF. He got BEAT TO DEATH by someone who consumes his power type in 616 Canon, Then got better and walked straight into a civil war where he ended up giving up his identity after being directly manipulated by Tony Stark, putting all his loved ones in danger. His entire backstory is full of tragedy. To the point where when he was about to lose another loved one, he was willing to make a deal with the devil that cost him nearly everything. He gets trampled on constantly by villains that other heroes can KO just by thinking at them. Spidey wasn't protected. The only people that go through more shit constantly than he does in Marvel is the X-men and thats because their entire universe is racist as hell.

Yeah, but Slott wasn't in charge of Spider-Man then.

Slott was responsible for the cool stuff, like making the Sinister Six (especially Ock) into pretty big threats (though Gauntlet did a lot of the groundwork there), and making Peter get an actual job as a successful scientist.

And the X-Men go through shit because some times a shared continuity makes no sense.

So what? Spidey needs to constantly be poor and fighting villains that are beefy?
Or is he just going to get killed. Again. Then replaced by some other guy who seamlessly fills in every role and hangs around with the same people despite being a brand new person?

Or is this gonna be a Me, Myself, and Irene scenario with Peter, Hank(Edgy-Peter), and MJ.

 

[KageX]

All I can think of is if this "new" Spiderman steps out of line and disgraces the Spiderman mantle then Peter's friends Johnny Storm, Ben Grimm, Logan and several others will sit him down for a "chat".

Let's face it in addition to his long history with the Fantastic Four Peter has made several very powerful friends in the last few years who would take issue with someone running around impersonating him. Ultimate Marvel had this to a degree but Miles is shaping up to be possibly be a good successor. If the new guy in 616 goes through with this "darker and edgier" and noticeably acts like an asshole in addition to possibly killing villains then it raise all kinds of red flags with people far more personally invested with 616's Peter Parker, many of whom could easily take down a "rookie".

So it will be a potential shitstorm when the new guy shows up, as the rest of the heroes really won't like an impostor (especially given some characters history with impersonators).

 

[TC_Hazard]

Gotta make our heroes edgy. Otherwise they won't be cool.

"I've always been the omniscient hand that's been protecting Peter Parker and Spider-Man, and not letting anything too bad happen to him," he adds. "And now I've become this cruel god. There's something exciting about that, about going, 'Mwah-ha-ha-ha-ha, here is what's going to happen to you, Spider-Man!' And it's drastic and it's big and it's exciting and it's never been done before."

Wait, wait, wait... PROTECTING? He's DEAD in one timeline. He got raped by a bug lady after being turned into a giant spider and impregnated, died as a giant spider, then gave BIRTH TO HIMSELF. He got BEAT TO DEATH by someone who consumes his power type in 616 Canon, Then got better and walked straight into a civil war where he ended up giving up his identity after being directly manipulated by Tony Stark, putting all his loved ones in danger. His entire backstory is full of tragedy. To the point where when he was about to lose another loved one, he was willing to make a deal with the devil that cost him nearly everything. He gets trampled on constantly by villains that other heroes can KO just by thinking at them. Spidey wasn't protected. The only people that go through more shit constantly than he does in Marvel is the X-men and thats because their entire universe is racist as hell.

Yeah, but Slott wasn't in charge of Spider-Man then.

Slott was responsible for the cool stuff, like making the Sinister Six (especially Ock) into pretty big threats (though Gauntlet did a lot of the groundwork there), and making Peter get an actual job as a successful scientist.

And the X-Men go through shit because some times a shared continuity makes no sense.

So what? Spidey needs to constantly be poor and fighting villains that are beefy?
Or is he just going to get killed. Again. Then replaced by some other guy who seamlessly fills in every role and hangs around with the same people despite being a brand new person?

Or is this gonna be a Me, Myself, and Irene scenario with Peter, Hank(Edgy-Peter), and MJ.

Did you read my post at all?

Slott is one of the guys that has specifically not written Spider-Man in that way. Hell, his Spider-Man is a successful inventor as Peter Parker and a badass super hero that saved the world from being fried by Dock Ock (after said villain had taken down the Avengers with the Sinister Six).

 

[goldenarms]

At one of Marvel's editorial retreats, Slott gave his spiel for the first year of Superior Spider-Man and received the biggest reaction ever from Marvel editor in chief Axel Alonso: "He goes, 'You know, usually when you talk I just hear a lot of fanfic. But this is a roller coaster. I've got to hang on!'

I think this part should be more unnerving than anything else in this commentary.

And I'm all :huh!: about this "new" Spider-Man.

Of course, pissing off fans is what they want to do -- in order to make people stop being sedated and get to buying their stuff so they can rage. Because there's nothing worse than an apathetic fanbase going "eh" when you balls-out rape their favorite characters.

 

[Chaotic Symbolism]

I was re-watching X-Men: Evolution and some "just bug me stuff" came up that I want to talk with someone about. Is there a thread in the cartoon section for Marvel shows I can go to or could I talk about it here?

 

[DhampyrX2]

I was re-watching X-Men: Evolution and some "just bug me stuff" came up that I want to talk with someone about. Is there a thread in the cartoon section for Marvel shows I can go to or could I talk about it here?

Talk away. I'll start. Kurt's adopted German family... which did NOT include the suddenly American and black Amanda Sefton. No Stephan. Mo Margali. No Daytripper. Then why was Kurt so freaked about people in general when he showed up at the institute? Boo X-Men Evolution.

Also, Mystique finally reaches out for her kids after being mind-fucked by Apocalypse for like three seasons and KURT ignores her? KURT? The poster child for forgiveness and turning the other cheek? Rogue I could see (although comic Rogue would at least try to care about Mystique) but KURT?

 

[Chaotic Symbolism]

Mainstream. The entire plot felt forced to me: Kelly was a bloody hypocrite through the whole episode. He wants to protect humans from mutants, yet arranges a situation where innocent people are caught in the cross fire.

The Brotherhood: Both in Mainstream and in Growing Pains I felt they were getting both the Villain Ball and Idiot Ball shoved into their hands for sake of plot and them being the only local baddies.

I know there Book Dumb, but they're supposed to be "troubled street kids" aren't they? Shouldn't they be street wise enough to know not to go causing more trouble or unwanted attention then they could handle? How could they think outing themselves in Growing Pains was a good idea? They had no one to protect them if shit got real. You'd think Magneto or Mystique would of told them what would happen should humans catch them. Also Pietro can dodge bullets and Fred can shrug them off, but Lance and Todd can't. You'd think those two would know their limits. (Also they attacked a Military Convoy the only reason I think they weren't arrested was because Magneto must of done something.)

I mean I can see them stealing to pay the bills and I can even buy the events of No Good Deed (Pietro is an attention whore for one thing).

Lance: You completely deserved the hood comment. You're actually surprised your girlfriend was mad at you when you were trying to get her and her friends expelled?

Also I get the fear people have of those with super powers. The hate on the other hand? The hate I find stupid (unless it is motivated by jealousy or a personal reason). What kid doesn't want super powers? It's like a dream come true yet people reject it? WTF?

 

[Chaotic Symbolism]

I was re-watching X-Men: Evolution and some "just bug me stuff" came up that I want to talk with someone about. Is there a thread in the cartoon section for Marvel shows I can go to or could I talk about it here?

Talk away. I'll start. Kurt's adopted German family... which did NOT include the suddenly American and black Amanda Sefton. No Stephan. Mo Margali. No Daytripper. Then why was Kurt so freaked about people in general when he showed up at the institute? Boo X-Men Evolution.

Also, Mystique finally reaches out for her kids after being mind-fucked by Apocalypse for like three seasons and KURT ignores her? KURT? The poster child for forgiveness and turning the other cheek? Rogue I could see (although comic Rogue would at least try to care about Mystique) but KURT?

Your choice to agree with it or not, but this was the explanation that was on tvtropes.

He was the only one of any of the main characters who wanted to help her; the only one who wanted her back. He hated Rogue for pushing her off the cliff and smashing her to pieces. (Who puts a gazebo on such a precarious perch, anyway?) Kurt was the only one who wanted her back, and yet in the end, he was just as disgusted with her as Rogue was. Did I miss something somewhere while she was gone that would cause him to change so drastically?

*Chalk it up to the difference between wanting to help and willingness to forgive. In the first season, he's obviously not that comfortable with her being his mother. He isn't willing to forgive all that betrayal, but isn't so vindictive as to leave her trapped as a statue.

**She knocked him out, sure she was brainwashed, but only because it was her own fault. Since he and Rogue are back to being adoptive siblings on good terms, I'm assuming that he now understands why she did what she did.

***Kurt just didn't want her dead. That doesn't mean he actually likes the woman, or can even tolerate her after all she's done. He just thought killing her (or turning her to stone, kind of the same thing... sort of) was a step too far.

 

[Emerald Oracle]

This being the marvel Discussion page I thought I'd ask, are there any Marvel comics that people are ENJOYING lately? I mean for me as an example the recently ended run on Journey into Mystery with Kid!Loki was awesome to me and as a former Exiles fan I'm greatly enjoying the rebirth of the concept over in X-Treme X-men. The team is a good one too I feel. In other news I find it somewhat hilarious that the writer behind Avengers Academy has the last name of Hopeless appropriate as that may be given that books entire set up. Young Avengers is looking interesting as well and I've got high hopes there.

 

[TC_Hazard]

Currently, All New X-Men to my surprise. Also, Wolverine and the X-Men, it has Kid Apocalypse who is not at all Clark Kent, Evil Circus Master Frankenstein, and Headmaster Wolverine. What's not to like? Sure it is not Carey's X-Men, but I'll take what I can get.

Avengers seems interesting right now and I need to catch up on X-Factor.

Will probably pick up Young Avengers.

Jury is still out on Superior, but I have a good feeling after the last issue.

And yes, Journey into Mystery with Kid Loki was brilliant.