Nasuverse Nanoha and the Nasuverse
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We're talking about parallel dimensions and alternate realities. Things like dragons and giant sea monsters exist in some of them, from what we've seen.
Bottom line: Possible, except that Nanoha's home earth and the Nasu earth can't be the same thing.
I think it's less about how the TSAB interacts with the Mages' Association, and more about whether or not the TSAB can handle Zelretch.
Bottom line: Possible, except that Nanoha's home earth and the Nasu earth can't be the same thing.
I think it's less about how the TSAB interacts with the Mages' Association, and more about whether or not the TSAB can handle Zelretch.
toraneko said:
I think it's less about how the TSAB interacts with the Mages' Association, and more about whether or not the TSAB can handle Zelretch.
I was mostly thinking about the tendency among the Mages' Association to kill any non-magic-user who witnesses them using magic, and the TSAB's likely reaction to that behavior.
toraneko said:
I think it's less about how the TSAB interacts with the Mages' Association, and more about whether or not the TSAB can handle Zelretch.
With there elitest, self absorbed additude, I don't think the Mages' Association would be perticular popular with the Bureau, but unless they do somethin to threaten dimensional stability, the TSAB probably won't do anything - even if they did, I suspect the Bureau would care more about the cuprit, and less about the orginization.
Couldn't say what would happen on the personal level - Zelretch is not someone I have a good enough grip on, in the first place. Much of that would be determined by whether or not the TSAB judge The Second Magic to be illegal, and if so, how severe his crime is.
One of the things Precia was in the shit for was secret dimensional experimentation and the like, IIRC.
One of the things Precia was in the shit for was secret dimensional experimentation and the like, IIRC.
Well, his dimensional beam-sword and his dimensional duplicate-wand would both probably be classed as Lost Logia and heavily regulated lest whoever got their hands on them accidentally blew up the planet.
I could also totally see them getting involved in the Holy Grail War. Its power to grant wished is very similar to the Lost Logia in the first season. It's just a lot nastier to activate.
I could also totally see them getting involved in the Holy Grail War. Its power to grant wished is very similar to the Lost Logia in the first season. It's just a lot nastier to activate.
That is a very good point. And also like many Lost Logia, it tends to have drastic consequences to its use.
I think Jewel Sword Zelretch and Kaleidostick wouldn't be classed as Lost Logia, though. The Sword would probably be a restricted high-power artifact, but it's just a weapon, and it does perform as advertised without monkey-pawing everything.
As for Kaleidostick, well, it's pretty much an Intelligent Device. It just has an intelligence that loves to screw with its user.
I think Jewel Sword Zelretch and Kaleidostick wouldn't be classed as Lost Logia, though. The Sword would probably be a restricted high-power artifact, but it's just a weapon, and it does perform as advertised without monkey-pawing everything.
As for Kaleidostick, well, it's pretty much an Intelligent Device. It just has an intelligence that loves to screw with its user.
Except that they draw on multidimensional energy to power themselves. If they draw on too much energy, they could cause a dimensional disturbance and blow the dimension they're in to smithereens, and quite possibly take several nearby ones with it.
Remember how the fight between Nanoha and Fate over the Jewel Seed in the first season got the TSAB's attention when they almost destroyed the Earth by accident. Zelretch's artifacts could do the same thing.
Remember how the fight between Nanoha and Fate over the Jewel Seed in the first season got the TSAB's attention when they almost destroyed the Earth by accident. Zelretch's artifacts could do the same thing.
I sincerely doubt that. The Jewel Sword does draw on extradimensional sources - but only tiny drips of energy, from all of the user's "nearby" dimensional analogues. No harm there.
As I said, I'd expect the TSAB would try to restrict the Jewel Sword Zelretch, because it has a potentially high amount of power to draw from. They do the same thing with the L'arc-en-Ciel, though that's an extreme case. The Jewel Sword is basically just a weapon, and it performs as advertised, and no further. That makes it relatively safe to use, within reason.
The Jewel Seeds aren't the same. They are inherently wish-granting artifacts, but their problem is that they're too sensitive. The kitten wanted to be bigger, so it grew to several stories in height. The guy and the girl wanted to be together, so a giant tree grew and encapsulated them together. It's pretty simple, yet dangerous, just like anything that has wish-granting ability.
As I said, I'd expect the TSAB would try to restrict the Jewel Sword Zelretch, because it has a potentially high amount of power to draw from. They do the same thing with the L'arc-en-Ciel, though that's an extreme case. The Jewel Sword is basically just a weapon, and it performs as advertised, and no further. That makes it relatively safe to use, within reason.
The Jewel Seeds aren't the same. They are inherently wish-granting artifacts, but their problem is that they're too sensitive. The kitten wanted to be bigger, so it grew to several stories in height. The guy and the girl wanted to be together, so a giant tree grew and encapsulated them together. It's pretty simple, yet dangerous, just like anything that has wish-granting ability.
Prince Charon said:
Scary thought: Future Nanoha is Caster... or (from a timeline where Fate died) Berserker. h43r:
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Subaru could also make a good Berserker-class if she's 'locked' in the state she was in when she went over 9000.
Now...correct me if I'm wrong, but if I remember correctly, an Archer-class Servant's stats are, overall, weak compared to most of the other Servants. Not to say that an Archer isn't a good class, it's just they're not the 'best' in any specific stat (except when it might come to their Noble Phantasm).
If that's the case, then Tea would make a good Archer-class Servant; plus she's got the 'archer' part of being an Archer down pat.
When it comes to the TSAB...they won't like it; but, since Earth is a Non-Aligned World...they've always struck me as 'hands-off' when dealing with 'primitive worlds'; which Earth applies in this instance. Since Lost Logia aren't involved, they'll sit back and grit their teeth.
Nanoha, Fate, and Hayate on the other hand...massive befriending all around.
I'd actually want to see Nanoha and Fate as Masters, rather than Servants, or interlopers who careen around befriending people. The only problem is that as Masters, I think they'd be too powerful for the series. None of the other Masters have shown anything on the destructive capability or just even fighting capability of Nanoha and Fate.
OTH, this might not be a problem as Nanoha and Fate would have to limit themselves power wise. Using a nuke to hit a fly isn't very helpful (they're not Lina...). I do think it'd probably give their Servants a ridiculous boost in mana reserves they can call on.
As interlopers, well, I can't see them happy about Sakura's situation, Caster, or Ilya... If this is post-MGLN Strikers, Ilya, in particular, should probably prepare for befriending given Nanoha and Fate's experience with Vivio.
OTH, this might not be a problem as Nanoha and Fate would have to limit themselves power wise. Using a nuke to hit a fly isn't very helpful (they're not Lina...). I do think it'd probably give their Servants a ridiculous boost in mana reserves they can call on.
As interlopers, well, I can't see them happy about Sakura's situation, Caster, or Ilya... If this is post-MGLN Strikers, Ilya, in particular, should probably prepare for befriending given Nanoha and Fate's experience with Vivio.
Hmm...actually..........i'm thinking that the Belka Culture, and those that instilled the Holy Grail War, and the Master/Servant system, are likely connected.
If anyone forgot it, Hayate's family (Zafira, Shamal, Signum and Vita) are artificial souls, beings sustained and kept by the magic of the Tome of the Night Sky, that also it holds their souls in case that they suffer an amount of damage enough to put them outta circulation.
What says that something on Earth, picks the souls of the best individuals what match each of the Servant categories, then it hold them on a sort of stasis, ready to be summoned by the sorcerer that fits them better?
What if the Holy Grail it's something what it's from the legendary Magical Civilization of Al-Hazard?
feel free to discuss this.....
If anyone forgot it, Hayate's family (Zafira, Shamal, Signum and Vita) are artificial souls, beings sustained and kept by the magic of the Tome of the Night Sky, that also it holds their souls in case that they suffer an amount of damage enough to put them outta circulation.
What says that something on Earth, picks the souls of the best individuals what match each of the Servant categories, then it hold them on a sort of stasis, ready to be summoned by the sorcerer that fits them better?
What if the Holy Grail it's something what it's from the legendary Magical Civilization of Al-Hazard?
feel free to discuss this.....
Oh...that's what I was trying to get at. I just didn't know how to express it correctly. I know that Gilgamesh has some OMGWTFBBQ abilities; but if you compare some of his stats to the other servants; they're on the low-end.
...which is why Tea would make a good Archer Class Servant. She's not overly-powered compared to the other, she's damn good with what she has...
On another note; how much luck would Shiro have with tracing an Intelligent Device? Would he be able to reproduce Raising Heart; complete with it's AI? And if so; would it recognize Shiro as its master, or would Raising Heart...do something to Shiro since he isn't Nanoha...
...not that Shiro would have much luck using Raising Heart anyway. It's canon (in the manga) that Raising Heart constantly consumes magic from it's user at a rate that would knock an average mage out.
...which is why Tea would make a good Archer Class Servant. She's not overly-powered compared to the other, she's damn good with what she has...
On another note; how much luck would Shiro have with tracing an Intelligent Device? Would he be able to reproduce Raising Heart; complete with it's AI? And if so; would it recognize Shiro as its master, or would Raising Heart...do something to Shiro since he isn't Nanoha...
...not that Shiro would have much luck using Raising Heart anyway. It's canon (in the manga) that Raising Heart constantly consumes magic from it's user at a rate that would knock an average mage out.
It might not work at all for him, but I doubt it'd "do things" to him.
Shirou's far from average (an above-average number of magic circuits, numbering at least 20, for one) in raw magical power. He just sucks at the execution stage.
That's not the important thing, though. I guess you missed this part, but Raising Heart's mana drain is a training exercise Nanoha agreed to go through, not a standard feature.
Shirou's far from average (an above-average number of magic circuits, numbering at least 20, for one) in raw magical power. He just sucks at the execution stage.
That's not the important thing, though. I guess you missed this part, but Raising Heart's mana drain is a training exercise Nanoha agreed to go through, not a standard feature.
Actually, regarding the number of magic circuits, I think Shirou is average at best. It is just that for someone with no magical background in his family lineage, he has an abnormally large number of circuits, although most magus with a magical history in their family would have more. Or I think so.
After all, Shirou was adopted by Kiritsugu and we have no knowledge of Shirou's actual parents.
Sorry for not adding anything relevant about the actual topic. :sisi:
After all, Shirou was adopted by Kiritsugu and we have no knowledge of Shirou's actual parents.
Sorry for not adding anything relevant about the actual topic. :sisi: