Naruto Naruto/ Kyuubi question

[Cosgrove]

First is when in part 1, how can the kyuubi chakra, while being the kyuubi's it still is chakra, cause such changes in Naruto which automatically reverse?

You know the claws appearing and the whiskers widening, as well as the change in the eyes.

I could stand it if the changes were permement, or slowly went away, but they dissapear in seconds.

And especially the eyes changing. Naruto does not have a doujutsu, so how can pure chakra cause such changes, and with no other real effect?

The whiskers are another thing. How do they widen and shrink? They should be nothing more than scars.

Naruto has changes when he uses the chakra, that was established the first two times he uses it. But then, after training with Jiraiya, the same or more amount of chakra flowing through his body doesn't cause a single change?

That is utterly rediculous. I could understand him not going berserk, but absolutely not other changes than a red aura?

And in part 2 with the chakra now being poisonous, and naruto slowly dieing from using it.

Then shouldn't Naruto have DIED as a baby when it was sealed into him?

And shouldn't Sasuke be horribly poisoned/ hurt from the VoTE?

And shouldn't Naruto have lost like 4-5 years from regenerating the lung and being covered in the chakra?

And also, the KYUUBI has no body! Thus it shouldn't even have chakra, just the spiritual part! Thus Naruto shouldn't have PHYSICAL changes in the first place!
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[zeebee1]

In part one the changes were because the Kyuubi was the equivalent of a god, and could do anything. He was a representation of divine aouthor powers. In part two, in regards to chakra poison, it only works when Naruto calls upon it. Obviously, as a baby, that wasn't an issue. It's not even specifically poisonous, it's just that when he uses too much it damages his body, due to having too much energy, and from healing his body too fast. It gives him a super fast metabolism. Human beings have certain cells in their bodies. When those cells die your body ages, or more to the point, gets less yourthful. By speeding up his metabolism those cells die faster. Naruto doesn't physically age because it doesn't age him, it just lowers his life expectancy.

 

[Cosgrove]

In part one the changes were because the Kyuubi was the equivalent of a god, and could do anything. He was a representation of divine aouthor powers. In part two, in regards to chakra poison, it only works when Naruto calls upon it. Obviously, as a baby, that wasn't an issue. It's not even specifically poisonous, it's just that when he uses too much it damages his body, due to having too much energy, and from healing his body too fast. It gives him a super fast metabolism. Human beings have certain cells in their bodies. When those cells die your body ages, or more to the point, gets less yourthful. By speeding up his metabolism those cells die faster. Naruto doesn't physically age because it doesn't age him, it just lowers his life expectancy.

Sakura was hit by the chakra, and it showed its poinonous nature IIRC. Also, such thing with the lung regeneration, wouldn't that cause him to have a shorter life span to heal it?

 

[Mr. Mysterious]

Not to mention, who knows what the life expectancy of a jinchuuriki actually is? :\

But the changes after Jiraiya taught him to use it, to me, seemed to be about when Naruto was/wasn't in complete control. When he wasn't in control it caused changes, but when he was dominating the power he was unaffected.

As for why... when he's in complete control, the power isn't really raging through him. When he loses it, he isn't completely in control... so the power rages through him and causes the physical changes. Once the chakra is gone, the changes go with it. At least that's how I see it.

And the Kyuubi's chakra thing, about what Naruto can use it... chakra is a mix of spirit/body energy. Maybe the Kyuubi's body was placed into storage in the seal. If they can seal fire and weapons into scrolls, why not a body into a human?

There is also the possibility that Naruto provides the body energy to go with the Kyuubi's spiritual energy. But the whole Kyuubi, body and all, being sealed into Naruto seems to make more sense.

Anyway, that's my take on it.

 

[zeebee1]

Either the Kyuubi's body was sealed in Naruto, or Shinigami took it, or Konoha had a really big bonfire.

 

[ttestagr]

Actually, the Kyuubi was poisonous. That was confirmed when 4-tail Naruto slashed Sakura and she couldn't heal it. Sasuke wasn't bothered because he has Uchiha immunity to all harm.


The way I see it is that the demons each control a specific substance in order to form their bodies and attack, on top of whatever element it might use (Shukaku was made of sand and used it to attack, but also attacked with wind.) We don't know if the Kyuubi has a specific element that it uses, but it seems to me that it is made of flesh and has control of it. When Gaara used Shukaku, it started to form out of sand and its power and speed increased. Naruto is similar, except his own physical attributes increase. One of the few things I agreed with in Part 2 was Kyuubi's shape forming out of blood when Naruto used enough of its chakra. Its consistant that it would start to form from Naruto's own body, and I think that it should have started that way from the first tail.

As for Naruto not changing, when he uses the fox's chakra when angry he doesn't have much control over it and it starts forming the changes. When he controls it, its fine and is much the same as Gaara's automatic sand. Basically he has the ability but there isn't enough chakra or a lack of control of it for the demon to start to manifest into the world.

 

[Cosgrove]

Not to mention, who knows what the life expectancy of a jinchuuriki actually is? :\

But the changes after Jiraiya taught him to use it, to me, seemed to be about when Naruto was/wasn't in complete control. When he wasn't in control it caused changes, but when he was dominating the power he was unaffected.

As for why... when he's in complete control, the power isn't really raging through him. When he loses it, he isn't completely in control... so the power rages through him and causes the physical changes. Once the chakra is gone, the changes go with it. At least that's how I see it.

And the Kyuubi's chakra thing, about what Naruto can use it... chakra is a mix of spirit/body energy. Maybe the Kyuubi's body was placed into storage in the seal. If they can seal fire and weapons into scrolls, why not a body into a human?

There is also the possibility that Naruto provides the body energy to go with the Kyuubi's spiritual energy. But the whole Kyuubi, body and all, being sealed into Naruto seems to make more sense.

Anyway, that's my take on it.

possibly. But I still can't see how Naruto doesn't transform. All that chakra would still flowing through him, just as it would when he berserks.

And atleast in VoTE/Part 2 Naruto does have those changes when he uses it and is in some state of control(except the tailed forms).

(Changes Which IIRC still happened in the latest battle Naruto was in, against Kazuku he had slit pupils in CH340, even after he was to stop using the chakra)

 

[Mr. Mysterious]

I don't think we're talking about the same kind of control. I don't mean just being able to bring it out, I mean complete control. As in he owns the chakra, and makes it do what he wants and nothing more... PTS every time that I know of him using it, he's been pushing himself.

It's like a CPU... you have inactive usage, normal usage, and overclocked. Whenever those changes happen, Naruto is overclocking. He's pushing beyond the safe limits for the power benefits it gives him... so the chakra isn't just being used in jutsu. The excess portion not being used in jutsu is running wild throughout his body.

But that is just my take on it. :huh.:

 

[Cosgrove]

That I can sort of understand. But who knows what Kishimoto is trying to do nowdays, other than ruin the series and make Sasuke unbeatable?

And I guess bijuu chakra can cause eye changes, such as with Gaara and Naruto when out of control.

One minute the series tries to be realistic, then the next something rediculous happens.(Usually now involving Sasuke becoming far to powerful)

 

[Innortal]

I think you are initially comparing this to when Yusuke Urameshi (Yu Yu Hakusho) undergoes his demon form. Even when his skin tone and hair color changes back, he still has the long hair.

In that effect, the changes may only be chakra deep, but do remember that this is a world where the eye itself can change form dramatically, and what we assume as normal here means nothing there, such as bone density, the amount of bones one can make, etc...

 

[Jakkun]

That pretty much sums it up. Different world, different rules. Plus since it's Kishimito, rules do not apply, since he is willing to break them when he needs to. It would probably be best to think of it like a werewolf transformation. Drastic change under certain conditions, and they go back to normal afterwards.

 

[Innortal]

Yep, a ninja world where half the rules are fluid.

Welcome to anime.

Science has no place in anime. If it did, then the women wouldn't be so top heavy.

 

[Jakkun]

Nor would they be able to launch men into the sky with a punch, kick, or magically appearing weapon of some sort. Suspension of disbelief is needed to enjoy most anime/manga. The only exceptions would be drama ones that don't need action or comedy.