Naruto Naruto Wrap Up

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13ry4n

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So Naruto is more or less finished and I'd figure we'd need a thread dedicated towards looking back at the whole series. A review in both senses of the word. Everyone throw in your two cents. Whatever pisses you off about canon be they characters, powers, character design, plot points, world issues, what have you. While not necessary I'd also like it if you mentioned the parts you liked.

I'll give you a couple examples.

One of the things that always bothered me about character design in Naruto was the sandals as I've mentioned before. It just seems to me that a military organization would not be about exposing your Achilles tendon but that's just me.

Naruto's chakra cloak has also bothered me. Mostly because it doesn't really look all that impressive. I'd have expected Naruto's form to actually change instead of just getting an orange/gold glow. I'd have much preferred a mix of Broly and Asura the Destructor. That would've been impressive. As it stands Naruto just kinda has this generic supermode.
 
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jakkuzarippa

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13ry4n said:
So Naruto is more or less finished and I'd figure we'd need a thread dedicated towards looking back at the whole series. A review in both senses of the word. Everyone throw in your two cents. Whatever pisses you off about canon be they characters, powers, character design, plot points, world issues, what have you. While not necessary I'd also like it if you mentioned the parts you liked.

I'll give you a couple examples.

One of the things that always bothered me about character design in Naruto was the sandals as I've mentioned before. It just seems to me that a military organization would not be about exposing your Achilles tendon but that's just me.

Naruto's chakra cloak has also bothered me. Mostly because it doesn't really look all that impressive. I'd have expected Naruto's form to actually change instead of just getting an orange/gold glow. I'd have much preferred a mix of Broly and Asura the Destructor. That would've been impressive. As it stands Naruto just kinda has this generic supermode.
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I feel you, bro.


Edit: The chakra cloak, I was kinda "meh" about it. malleable external chakra has always been shown to be Naruto's shtick (first time he manifested a tail, 4 tails, Kyuubi mode, etc.). I agree its not all that impressive, but he can't have armor since sasuke's already got that covered. Besides, as the descendant of Indra, Sasuke is supposed to have strong eyes, so Suanoo probably covers his weakspot there. While Naruto is supposed to have a "strong body", hence no armor, just chakra.
 
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13ry4n

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I know that Kaguya arc blew but go into detail. What parts pissed you off the most? Why?
 
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thecuiy

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reincarnation of ashura and indra that shits all over the hard work Aesop from part 1, that it literally came out of nowhere and that it was a crappy stand in for an epic fight between madara and sasuke and naruto.

i was annoyed by the whole, black zetsu planned everything but it makes alot more sense if you think about it. way too many contrived coincidences.

I also feel like for all she was hyped up to be in the few chapters we knew about her, Kaguya went down way, way too easy.
 
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ankokudaishogun

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Eh, the main problem of the Kaguya arc was the complete lack of foreshadowing on Kaguya proper. Black Zetsu was actually a fine plot twist.
 
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13ry4n

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*nods* Okay.

Another plot point that pissed me off was the army of White Zetsu, it seemed to me that after all the trouble Kishi went to establishing the cycle of revenge that gets tossed out the door by making the main enemy foot soldier an enemy that cannot be dissuaded. Instead of it being Grey vs Gray it's now back to Black vs White. Erm no pun intended.
 
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ankokudaishogun

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Zetsu Army would have been fine, but it would have needed more scenes of the ninja army having problems working together
Then again, wasn't the actual Open War part been rushed by the editors?
 
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13ry4n

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ankokudaishogun said:
Zetsu Army would have been fine, but it would have needed more scenes of the ninja army having problems working together
Then again, wasn't the actual Open War part been rushed by the editors?
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You'd think that coordinating the armies of five former enemies would be a logistics nightmare. Apparently all it takes is for Gaara to step up and be awesome.

I also don't really count the 'war' as actually being a war. That was more like a single massive confusing battle.
 
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Hoki

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13ry4n said:
ankokudaishogun said:
Zetsu Army would have been fine, but it would have needed more scenes of the ninja army having problems working together
Then again, wasn't the actual Open War part been rushed by the editors?
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You'd think that coordinating the armies of five former enemies would be a logistics nightmare. Apparently all it takes is for Gaara to step up and be awesome.
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Talk-no-jutsu being practiced by somebody other than Naruto, en masse too. Besides, they didn't have language barriers, so no commands got lost in translation or other such trivialities. They also apparently share the same currency, despite other villages being richer or poorer than the others.
 
Knyght

Knyght

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The timeline.

Some of the history is just headache-inducing when trying to figure out what happened when like with Orochimaru's backstory. Plus the sense of time progression is confusing as hell; it's hard to believe that Part 2 actually covers around a year and a half.
 
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ankokudaishogun

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Yeah, timeline is a mess. I did hope against any hope the last databook would give us a timeline chart but... well...
 
Altered Nova

Altered Nova

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Since we're complaining about the manga I'll just repost this here:

Personally everything after the Kage summit never happened in my headcanon. I hate how ridiculously overpowered and plot-warping Edo Tensei is, the Sage of Six Paths just appearing from nowhere and giving Naruto and Sasuke Super Saiyan modes is the biggest asspull ever, Madara was a way better villain than Black Zetsu and Kaguya, and the power levels inflate so fucking fast it breaks the scales and the manga is pushing early DBZ by the time it ends.
 
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AJ_Katon

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The timeline.
Parts of Naruto's childhood where common sense just raises questions.
Everything after the Pain arc.
Jiraiya's 3 year training.
Why Lee can't win fights on panel.
The Uchiha saturation.
The tease of other, more interesting characters but the no detail.
 
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13ry4n

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Something else that bothered me was the Chidori. It seems impressive at first but when you take into account the fact that it sounds like 'a thousand singing birds' or whatever you realize that not only is impossible to use sneakily but it needs you to get right up into your enemies grill. Also while this is supposition I'm fairly certain that there are ranged lighting techniques that probably cost a whole lot less chakra and might actually be quiet.
 
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Hoki

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13ry4n said:
Something else that bothered me was the Chidori. It seems impressive at first but when you take into account the fact that it sounds like 'a thousand singing birds' or whatever you realize that not only is impossible to use sneakily but it needs you to get right up into your enemies grill.
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And this is why you have to be ridiculously fast or at least have some binding spells before you should use the chidori/raikiri. Any skilled and sufficiently powerful shinobi can easily block or dodge something so straightforward.
 
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KurokamiDG

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The lack of character development we get for the other teams irritates me. I mean, besides some moments when they had the spotlight we don't truly know them all that well. Sure we can infer from what we got, but I would've preferred the manga work on character development instead of shunting it off to the anime.

That, and pretty much everything after the Sage showed up too. Kishi shoudn't have made Madara so infalliable that he needed an asspull to have Naruto and Sasuke win.
 
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13ry4n

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On the subject of character development. The members of team 7 I feel had the most character development was Sakura. Naruto is basically the same moron he was at the beginning of the series and Sasuke has changed his allegiances so many times I can't believe that this time was the last time.
 
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jakkuzarippa

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13ry4n said:
On the subject of character development. The members of team 7 I feel had the most character development was Sakura. Naruto is basically the same moron he was at the beginning of the series and Sasuke for has changed his allegiances so many times I can't believe that this time was the last time.
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Too bad the author decided to take a steaming shit all over that with the last 2 chapters. Honestly, though I don't care for her, even I feel bad at how badly she was character-assassinated. At lease Naruto remains constant in his charming dumbfuckery.


Also: Shed blood, sweat & tears to graduate (ninja)school and become badass ninja chicks: end up popping out kids and making sandwiches in the kitchen. (Go Tenten, don't fall prey to this shit!)

Hilariously ass-backward. Although the mini-series next year could prove me wrong (doubtful) if it reveals the women are still active, badass ninja.
 
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goldenarms

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KurokamiDG said:
The lack of character development we get for the other teams irritates me. I mean, besides some moments when they had the spotlight we don't truly know them all that well. Sure we can infer from what we got, but I would've preferred the manga work on character development instead of shunting it off to the anime.

That, and pretty much everything after the Sage showed up too. Kishi shoudn't have made Madara so infalliable that he needed an asspull to have Naruto and Sasuke win.
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I disagree about Madara. Someone like Madara should not be beatable by the main characters in a straight-up battle -- otherwise, it severely diminishes his threat level and makes people wonder what's he big fuss. I mean, look at what happened to Minato.
 
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DeathGod666

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Actually part II is 3 years, as Naruti comes back when he is 15 and he turns 18 in the final battle.
 
Altered Nova

Altered Nova

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13ry4n said:
Something else that bothered me was the Chidori. It seems impressive at first but when you take into account the fact that it sounds like 'a thousand singing birds' or whatever you realize that not only is impossible to use sneakily but it needs you to get right up into your enemies grill. Also while this is supposition I'm fairly certain that there are ranged lighting techniques that probably cost a whole lot less chakra and might actually be quiet.
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And yet somehow Kakashi managed to sneak up on and gank Kakuzu with this jutsu. It boggles the mind.
 
Knyght

Knyght

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Chidori and Raikiri bug me in general. They're the same jutsu but with two different names and ranks and got retconned into a lightning jutsu in Part 2, along with the reveal that Sasuke had done his nature transformation training in two weeks as well as everything else. We could have had the Raikiri as the elemental version of the Chidori, justifying its higher rank as its more powerful, removes the need for suicidal high-speed movement to pull it off and making Part 1 Sasuke's accomplishment less over the top.

Plus Sasuke inventing a load of Chidori variants instead of Kakashi.
 
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