Naruto Naruto's seal

[Grunt]

I just thought I post this before I forget it again.

The 4th sealed the Kyuubi within Naruto, well what if his soul was used as the seal.

So whenever Naruto loses control, instead of bringing out the Kyuubi's chakra, the seal counteracts and makes the fourth's memories come out. Not the real person, but enough of his personality to take over Naruto so to speak.

So instead of Naruto going crazy with the Kyuubi's chakra, the fourth is suddenly confronted with a battle, having no idea where he is, but instinctively knowing who the enemy is (or at least the person Naruto considers the enemy).
All the while the Kyuubi is of course absolutely pissed, as his enemy is right in front of him, and tries to force the seal's memories from naruto's mind, at least till the are called upon again.

And Naruto remembers nothing at all. Or at least in the beginning.


So what do you think? Feel free to speak your mind, it's not like I could stop you ^^

 

[Prince Charon]

Interesting concept. If it goes on long enough, he might be able to call the memory of Yondaime at will. Of course, if it happens in the village, the rumor might start that the Fourth Hokage turned himself into a child (or something equally ridiculous), in order to seal the Kyuubi. Perhaps the villagers would feel a little guilty, then.

 

[Matdeception]

Interesting concept. If it goes on long enough, he might be able to call the memory of Yondaime at will. Of course, if it happens in the village, the rumor might start that the Fourth Hokage turned himself into a child (or something equally ridiculous), in order to seal the Kyuubi. Perhaps the villagers would feel a little guilty, then.

It's more plausible then you might then, in a weird sort of way. Despite the glaring hole in the possibility, that being the Death God taking the soul of whoever uses that Jutsu, haven't you ever wondered how on earth Kyuubi got sealed into Naruto?

Think back to the one time use we see of the Death God between Orochimaru and the Third. You'll notice the Jutsu uses the body of it's summoner as a medium to reach a hand out, and grab the soul of whoever is in front of the user. Then pull the soul out and seal it inside the person using the Jutsu.

There isn't any mention of being able to hold the soul outside of it's body, but outside of the summoner long enough for the 4th to get to Naruto and put it inside the baby, in fact from all we know it should have sealed itself inside the Yondaime's body, thus completing the technique. It just isn't feasible that the 4th would automatically know his adult body couldn't handle the Nine Tails chakra, so he brought Naruto along just for that purpose.

If he did, that would hint at a very long history of practice with the technique, and studying it's applications. You can't just create a jutsu from scratch like this one, obviously, but can you imagine how many people would die just to research the effects and limitations for this one technique? After all, you use it, you're dead.

Maybe theres more to the technique then we've seen, or has been made available. This is, in the end, just theory craft, but 'What if' you couldn't hold the soul outside of a container as long as it took to get to Naruto.

What if Naruto was deaged - removing his Chakra coils so he can be an effective container for the Kyuubi? What if Naruto is really nothing more then the Yondaime deaged to that of a child, his memories, which some religions I'm sure constitude as his very soul, his persona, was sealed as a 'partial' payment to the Death God.

Hell, for all we know, the Death God was glad to do his duty, might have even hated the Kyuubi for being a punk bitch. Who knows.

Theory-craft, btw, that's all this is.

 

[Grunt]

Yeah i think I remember a story where the author went that way. It was kind of well.. eh, he could have been a bit more creative. Come one. Regaining nearly all his memories before the end of the first chapter :sweat:

Sounds kinda fun though, if I ever get to write it or anything else. :headbanger:
Does anyone have any idea just how jutsu's are created. Somehow the idea of trying till it works doesn't seem that good.

 

[Matdeception]

Does anyone have any idea just how jutsu's are created. Somehow the idea of trying till it works doesn't seem that good.

That statement... :sweat:

How on earth do you think people create things? Trial and error. Wow, I mean, I'm sure research into the elements, physics, and the like has some part in it, but it's all a theory until they start trying it, altering their notes/way of charging said jutsu, until they get the effects they were aiming for.

Kind of like how the first plane was created. Many trials, many many errors, out right failures, and more times at a drawing board then you can shake at stick at. Finally, FINALLY, one model/design worked. It WORKED after years of trial and error.

Think of Jutsu's in that regard. Now that the jutsu works, you can further define it, creating hybrids, whole new jutsu's based off the original. Ect.

Yeah, seriously.

 

[H-Man]

I do wonder how that seal was 'tested', though.

 

[toraneko]

Well, the teleport-to-special-kunai bit in the Kakashi Gaiden suggests that Yondaime, like Jiraiya before him, was a master at seals. Orochimaru and Jiraiya both suggest the same during the chuunin exams, IIRC.

My thought on the Shiki Fuujin is that Yondaime studied it intensely for a long time, until he was satisfied that he had a good chance at succeeding the first time... because, really, if one does this jutsu, he only has one chance to get it right. And, well, Yondy did it.

 

[Grunt]

Eh ok the way I said that sounded really stupid.

What I meant is, do they start with a bunch of people nearby in case something goes wrong, do they use special seals for safety purpose or anything like that.

I searched for canon information about that, but found nothing up till now.

Because frankly if they don't, most jutus would have never been developed. Think about it. Most of them are highly destructive. One wrong step and it's over and some other idiot would have to think it up again?

I can just imagine someone studying a scroll like that.

*Well if you are reading this, I most likely failed and didn't manage to complete the jutsu. So please perfect it for me. Oh and don't use the tiger seal as the third seal, that's what I did.* :sweat:

 

[Matdeception]

Hahah! I like it.

"I only have a few moments left before my execution, so I felt the need to write this down as soon as I possible could, cause I *won't* get another chance.

About the Thousand Years of Pain technique, well, to my great pride the technique worked as intended. For such a simple technique, I can only imagine the powerful usefulness it could take in modern warfare, as well as kinky bed room action.

However, a word of caution... using this technique as a practical joke on the Second Hokage isn't a bright idea. Using this technique as a practical joke on the First Hokage isn't a bright idea AT ALL!

Using this technique on Tsunade-chan is the stupidest idea EVER!

Jiraiya"

Well, the teleport-to-special-kunai bit in the Kakashi Gaiden suggests that Yondaime, like Jiraiya before him, was a master at seals. Orochimaru and Jiraiya both suggest the same during the chuunin exams, IIRC.

My thought on the Shiki Fuujin is that Yondaime studied it intensely for a long time, until he was satisfied that he had a good chance at succeeding the first time... because, really, if one does this jutsu, he only has one chance to get it right. And, well, Yondy did it.

Which is a big bonus towards the idea that Naruto is just a deaged Yondaime with his memories sealed, because honestly, just cause he has a chance of getting it right, doesn't mean he'll know every aspect or what might unexpectantly crop up because of it.

If he was really learned on the subject, it could also be construed as a reason he would take Naruto with him, but I really fail to see how he would know this. It's not like theres a lot of demons out there, so It isn't feasible for him to know that the Kyuubi would break out once Yondaime died, but who knows for sure.

Heh.

 

[Grunt]

Hehe, that would be worth an entire fic all for itself. Just exploring all the jutsu's in the Naruto world. Or at least the ones were you can add and perverted or funny background.

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Today I Charaku Uchiha have developed an incredible fire jutsu.

Sadly I would like to say, that it is not a good idea to try this jutsu while watching you crush walk by Burning of her clothes doesn't impress a woman. Not in the least but I did see another jutsu in action. The dreaded five fingers of justice no jutsu.

All in all a good day.

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[nuclear death frog]

Hahah! I like it.

"I only have a few moments left before my execution, so I felt the need to write this down as soon as I possible could, cause I *won't* get another chance.

About the Thousand Years of Pain technique, well, to my great pride the technique worked as intended. For such a simple technique, I can only imagine the powerful usefulness it could take in modern warfare, as well as kinky bed room action.

However, a word of caution... using this technique as a practical joke on the Second Hokage isn't a bright idea. Using this technique as a practical joke on the First Hokage isn't a bright idea AT ALL!

Using this technique on Tsunade-chan is the stupidest idea EVER!

Jiraiya"

GOLD.

You win, forever.

 

[toraneko]

You know what? These ideas need a humor fic. "Failed Attempts at Jutsu Creation in Konoha" would be a hella funny read.

I mean, just think of the many ways the creation processes could go wrong in the funniest ways.

Weapon-summoning scrolls accidentally storing sex-toys.
Raiton jutsu that leave the victim and his descendants with a permanently spiked-out hairdo (hehe...).
Fuuton jutsu blowing people's clothes off, a la Negi.
The first Byakugan bearer awakening it at the onset of puberty while desperately wishing there wasn't a wall seperating the men's side of the baths from the women's side, and ending up dangerously in need of a blood transfusion (lost it via nosebleed).

The possibilities...

 

[Prince Charon]

Fuuton jutsu blowing people's clothes off, a la Negi.

I was actually thinking of using that in a fic or challenge. It involved Sakura learning that Fuuton: Hiryuu Shoten Ha no jutsu uses the opponent's chakra, rather than the user's. She really shouldn't have asked Naruto to help her test it, though. Still, he was happy.

 

[the DragonBard]

There isn't any mention of being able to hold the soul outside of it's body, but outside of the summoner long enough for the 4th to get to Naruto and put it inside the baby, in fact from all we know it should have sealed itself inside the Yondaime's body, thus completing the technique. It just isn't feasible that the 4th would automatically know his adult body couldn't handle the Nine Tails chakra, so he brought Naruto along just for that purpose.

You forget that Naruto is hardly the first person to have a Bijuu trapped in his body. The Fourth was probably aware of the results of people trying to seal demons into adult bodies, so knew that using himself as the host would be impossible.

Also, it's possible that people had attempted to seal weaker Bijuu into objects, as they did with Ichibi no Shukaku, and found out that it didn't work with the stronger ones.

Though, you do have a point about the jutsu not being meant to seal away souls/spirits outside of the Shinigami.

 

[Matdeception]

You forget that Naruto is hardly the first person to have a Bijuu trapped in his body. The Fourth was probably aware of the results of people trying to seal demons into adult bodies, so knew that using himself as the host would be impossible.

Also, it's possible that people had attempted to seal weaker Bijuu into objects, as they did with Ichibi no Shukaku, and found out that it didn't work with the stronger ones.

Though, you do have a point about the jutsu not being meant to seal away souls/spirits outside of the Shinigami.

That's certainly true, and very possible. However, most people who catch and seal Bijuu generally tend to keep the methods of such a secret. Such as Garaa, no one outside the Sand even knew he had Shukaku sealed inside of him, or at least such information wasn't given as far as I know, nor did they know the method with which he was sealed. All I know for sure is that Chiyo was the one who sealed it inside him, so there are varying methods, and using the 4th's sealing technique was probably the first time it was used to seal a Bijuu.

Theory-craft, as it is, still who knows? I just find it rather unbelieveable that if he did know he would have to seal it in a baby that he would A. Bring said baby to the Battlefeild, or B. The Death God would be ever so helpful as just to float and follow the man who had summoned him around long enough for him to seal the soul in Naruto. As far as I figure, the Death God isn't exactly social, but, meh.

 

[Perfect Psionic Soldier]

Theory-craft, as it is, still who knows? I just find it rather unbelieveable that if he did know he would have to seal it in a baby that he would A. Bring said baby to the Battlefeild, or B. The Death God would be ever so helpful as just to float and follow the man who had summoned him around long enough for him to seal the soul in Naruto. As far as I figure, the Death God isn't exactly social, but, meh.

Well the answer is obvious, the Death God was bribed with cookies. Hence it is all explained. =D

 

[Mighty Bob]

Let's face it, for a Death God cookies alone wouldn't cut it. Obviously he was also offered beer and a copy of Jiraiya's next book.

 

[holyknight]

Let's face it, for a Death God cookies alone wouldn't cut it. Obviously he was also offered beer and a copy of Jiraiya's next book.

that...Or Jiraiya made the greatest sacrifice of his life.....

He gave to the Shinigami his only full body photo of a naked Tsunade..... :wacko: ~

 

[DhampyrX2]

Let's face it, for a Death God cookies alone wouldn't cut it.? Obviously he was also offered beer and a copy of Jiraiya's next book.

that...Or Jiraiya made the greatest sacrifice of his life.....

He gave to the Shinigami his only full body photo of a naked Tsunade..... :wacko: ~

If that were true the Shinigami would have called it even instead of killing Arashi in the first place. Unless Jiraiya cheated him and jusr gave the Death God one of Tsunade's baby pictures to keep the real one. B) Unless, of coure, the Death God in question happenned to be someone like Botan... she doesn't want naked pictures of Tsunade, she wants the Yondaime naked. RIGHT NOW! :blink:

And now I have an idea forming where Arashi nearly died during the formation of the Hiraishin or the Ransengan and ended up meeting Botan. Nine months later Naruto arrives... the only child powerful enough to contain the Kyuubi safely.