Naruto Nature Mastery Training

[the DragonBard]

We know that to train to master wind chakra, one must first split a leaf with just their chakra, and then split a waterfall. However, how would one train for the other natures? All we've got to go by is the reactions the testing paper has.

Fire is probably setting a leaf held in your hands on fire, and then setting something like a lump of coal, or bone. Something that requires a lot of heat to ignite.

ideas on the others?

Would have asked this under the elemental natures thread, but it's devolved into another Kishi-bash.

 

[BlackSun]

For the water based chakra, I think it would be gathering humidity(sp?) from the air, or maybe holding water without a container. Not a clue what would the training methods for lightning and earth.

 

[ttestagr]

I'm of the opinion that Kishimoto didn't think the concept through in the slightest, and I find it so stupid I refuse to do it out of principle.

 

[Jinxyspellkeeper]

i agree. it ws probably made as a measure of "please don't kill me" by Kishimoto. now can we all just agree that elemental natures are like midichlorians? unseeable, unknowable, and completely made-up bullshite.

 

[bzzt3421]

i agree. it ws probably made as a measure of "please don't kill me" by Kishimoto. now can we all just agree that elemental natures are like midichlorians? unseeable, unknowable, and completely made-up bullshite.

*Snort*

Those are real parts of your cells, they actually do help produce energy. Just not at the level of what George Lucas says.

EDIT: I'm laughing at the please don't kill me part

 

[Steel]

You're thinking of mitochondria, which are not midochlorians.

 

[Jinxyspellkeeper]

Midichlorians are that crap George Lucas made up in an attempt to justify why Anakin HAD to be trained in the jedi stuff. i wikipedia-ed it for the spelling. it made no mention of anything else.

 

[Typhonis]

You got it PARTLY right. Midichlorians were used as an indicator of force sensitivity. Qui-gonb on seeing Anakins level believed they had found the chosen one who would being balance to the force. Interesting;ly enough the Jedi council at first REFUSED to train the boy stating he was too old. Qui-gon had to die before they trained him.

Anakin did bring balance to the Force. He helped to destroy the old jedi poreder and later as Darth Vader killed the last Sith Master befoee he himself ddied. Thus Balance was brought about.

The BS part is the fact that Anakin had no father...personally I believe ol Palpy did a number on his mother so she wouldn't rember the hot monkey sex they had...before selling her to the Hutts.

 

[Amberion]

The BS part is the fact that Anakin had no father...personally I believe ol Palpy did a number on his mother so she wouldn't rember the hot monkey sex they had...before selling her to the Hutts.

Yeah, alittle bit about how Jesus came around. His mom just had abit of fun in the stables with some of the neighbours. :snigger:


Anyway, about training it. Wouldn't it make abit of sense to gain more and more affinity just by using jutsus of the particular affinity?

Haven't gone back to check it, but think Kakashi said that Sasuke had lightning and fire affinity. So I think he always had lightning, but gained fire when he practiced fire jutsus as a child.

 

[Belgarion213]

I'm pretty sure it was implied in star wars 3 that the Sith Master Palpy was talking about brought about anakin. Palpy said that the guy had got so into the force that he could 'bring about life from nothing.' but thats beside the point.

I agree, the elemental chakra is stupid...

 

[Mr. Mysterious]

*pokes everyone trying to turn this into another Kish-bash and/or divert it to Star Wars*

If you don't like the idea and are just stating that... why are you contributing to a thread that the starter specifically said they didn't post elsewhere because said thread had turned into a Kishi-bash. :sweat:

This thread isn't about what you think of elemental affinity and/or how stupid you think it is (there is already a thread about that), it's about how the training could be accomplished. Just popping up to say you don't like it... doesn't make any sense at all. <_<

So... yeah, what the hell does not liking it and Star Wars have to do with the topic at hand? :huh:

 

[zeebee1]

Star Wars is cool. Naruto is cool. Star Wars was ruined by a shitty writer. Naruto is being ruined by a shitty writer. Ergo; Kishimoto must be George Lucas.

There I have redeemed the thread. Go me.

 

[nuclear death frog]

Star Wars is cool. Naruto is cool. Star Wars was ruined by a shitty writer. Naruto is being ruined by a shitty writer. Ergo; Kishimoto must be George Lucas.

There I have redeemed the thread. Go me.

Terse, but logical. I wish to subscribe to your philosophy.

 

[OniGanon]

*Cue the hissing and humming sounds of Naruto's orange-coloured chakrasaber.*

...

Don't think it's so far fetched. Asuma already had something similar...

 

[the DragonBard]

I'm seriously considering never posting in this section again, as every thread seems to devolve into a Kishi-bash.

I get irritated by the guy a lot too, but this bashing is getting almost as irritating as MK is!

 

[Mr. Mysterious]

I'm seriously considering never posting in this section again, as every thread seems to devolve into a Kishi-bash.

I get irritated by the guy a lot too, but this bashing is getting almost as irritating as MK is!

In this case, it just shouldn't have happened. This thread wasn't about opinions on the subject... there is one that already is about that. It was about how it could be achieved... the bitching should have been left at the door, especially since you specifically stated that you didn't post in that other thread for exactly that reason.

Anyway, to try to get it back on topic...

To go with the leaf used in the wind example...

For water, I guess it would be to extract the water out of a leaf. Then after that can be done consistently, extract it out of the very air. Or maybe step up to something with less available water, and continue on until you can pull it directly out of the air around you.

For fire, set a leaf on fire. Then after that, set something on fire that is hard to burn... or maybe generate a massive fire instead.

For lightning... I have no idea. The crumpling paper just... I... for the moment I abstain. I suppose you could crumple a leaf (how that is lightning I have no idea), then move on to forcing it into existence? If I come up with something better, I'll add it later.

For earth, break down a leaf into dust. Then after that, pull dirt/rock out of the ground? I'm not too sure on this one, either.

That's about the best I could come up with, at the moment.

 

[the DragonBard]

Actually, I think the water training wouldn't involve pulling water out of a leaf, but creating it. Transmuting chakra into water. Maybe first creating enough water to soak the leaf, followed by creating enough water to... fill a pond?

The idea behind fire training sounds about right.

For earth... grinding a leaf into dust sounds right, with grinding a boulder into dust as the finish?

The causing the leaf to crumple is probably the first part of lightning mastery. For the second part... well, the Chidori/Raikiri is the only real example of an offensive Raiton jutsu we have (that and the nerve disruptor, but that's more a disabling than a damaging jutsu) so we have to use that to give us an idea.

Wind cuts, Fire burns, Water drowns, Earth crushes? Grinds?
What would Lightning do, that would be conveyed by crumpling?
Piercing?
Shattering?

What could you do to test for it?

 

[Mr. Mysterious]

Strangely enough, I came up (a long while back) with the idea that the Sandaime Kazekage's Iron Black Sand was actually him soaking iron in lightning chakra to create a magnetic bond between the iron and his own chakra, so... maybe this is something similar? It crumples because the chakra creates a bond that forces the molecules to attract each other kind of like an extremely powerful version of static cling?

 

[the DragonBard]

A possibility.

Though, how would that explain the Chidori's ability to shatter the ground without even touching it (see Sasuke using it in the Chuunin exam.)

 

[Mr. Mysterious]

Slightly altered properties of the lightning?

The crumpling thing could just be a side effect that most people weed out as they learn to focus it more on the energy side, but the Sandaime figured out how to push the static to a whole new level.

Or it could just be the raw force of the chakra itself.

 

[Amberion]

Chidori is lightning based from all I know. But do you think Sasuke actually did any elemental training?
Elemental training is only for Naruto to slow him down. Sasuke got the sharingan, he can copy the ability, just don't think on the fact that he can't copy the rasengan.

Not only that, he also has fire training, yet according to Kakashi, all that training for 1 affinity takes years upon years.

So mabey wind is more difficult to train then the others. That or it might be so rare, that they don't have a better way to train it like they might have with some of the others.

And by the way, why must they use a leaf everytime?
Are they also going to use the waterfall? Fire types need to boil the water, earth needs to barricade it and so on.

I think diffirent affinities have diffirent training methods completly.

The reason I think they used a leaf for wind affinity is because they can't see if he cuts thin air. They needed something they could see a result on, could just as well have been a peice of paper. It was just that leafs are easier to get.

Here is what I think how they start it for some of the affinities.

Water: Condense water out of air.
Fire: Creat fire in your palm.
Earth: Not sure here, but might be to soften/harden the ground you're standing on.
Lightning: Mabey have electricity jumping from finger to finger.
Wind: We know what has been used so far.

 

[Mr. Mysterious]

I used a leaf because they did in the first one, plus it seems like it'd be easier to have a base to work with before you start trying to extract the stuff out of thin air. Wind is just slightly different in that regard because it's air.

Least, that's my thought on it.

 

[the DragonBard]

I just figured the use of a leaf at the begining, was because effecting the leaf would be easy.

Basically, use the leaf to get the basic idea (burn, cut, crush, etc) than train until you can 'really' pull it off.