Akamatsuverse Negi's tuition

bissek

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#1
Negi appears to be paying Evangeline for her magic lessons in blood. This provides her with the power she needs to cast spells in the lessons.

How much is she taking, and how often?

As a rough estimate, a human body has about 1 pint of blood per 10 ten pounds of body mass. At 4'7" and not apparently overweight, he probably weighs less than 100 pounds. Which means that losing a pint of blood would result in him losing at least 10% of his blood volume, which can't be that healthy. As a matter of fact, the Red Cross won't let you donate blood unless you're at least 17, and weigh at least 110 pounds. They also insist that you allow for 8 weeks to pass between donations (Of 1 pint whole blood) so that your body can replace the blood.

So how much blood can Eva take per lesson without wrecking Negi's health, and how often can she do so without wrecking his health?

And what would the other girls do if she was taking too much and they found out about it?
 
#2
I get the feeling that Eva's life expectency would be measured in minutes, if she was draining Negi like you suggested and the girls found out about it.
 

fenixzero

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#3
bissek said:
Negi appears to be paying Evangeline for her magic lessons in blood. This provides her with the power she needs to cast spells in the lessons.

How much is she taking, and how often?

As a rough estimate, a human body has about 1 pint of blood per 10 ten pounds of body mass. At 4'7" and not apparently overweight, he probably weighs less than 100 pounds. Which means that losing a pint of blood would result in him losing at least 10% of his blood volume, which can't be that healthy. As a matter of fact, the Red Cross won't let you donate blood unless you're at least 17, and weigh at least 110 pounds. They also insist that you allow for 8 weeks to pass between donations (Of 1 pint whole blood) so that your body can replace the blood.

So how much blood can Eva take per lesson without wrecking Negi's health, and how often can she do so without wrecking his health?

And what would the other girls do if she was taking too much and they found out about it?
Maybe healing magic, which he knows, can restore the blood.

And actually, I think that she is draining the magic from the blood not the blood itself.

Because she 'drinks' from him every two days.
 

Revan

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#5
We don't really know how vampires are created in the Negima-verse, so answering that particular question may be a tad difficult. However, I think it had to do with intent, does the vampire want to turn the one he/she is biting?
 

Luthorne

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#6
Or maybe Negi is infected with vampirism, and Evangeline just sealed away or greatly slowed down his transformation...

...okay, I doubt it, though it'd be an interesting premise. Yeah, as far as I can recall, we don't know exactly how vampires are made in the Negimaverse, unless I forgot some aspect of Eva's backstory, so it's entirely possible that just drinking the blood isn't enough.
 

jaredstar

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#7
well if vamps in the negimaverse are created in any way near the same as they are in the buffyverse then Evangeline would have to drain him dry (his blood that is) and then make him feed on her.
 

Luthorne

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#8
jaredstar said:
well if vamps in the negimaverse are created in any way near the same as they are in the buffyverse then Evangeline would have to drain him dry (his blood that is) and then make him feed on her.
...somehow, I don't think Evangeline is a soulless demon inhabiting a human corpse.
 

bissek

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#9
Judging by Negi's comments in vol 3, the state of partial vampirism caused by being bitten and not killed (Which Maki and several other girls went through before the fight on the bridge) is easily treatable by magic. Negi wouldn't forget to use that treatment on himself after every lesson.
 

Lord Raine

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#10
Luthorne said:
Or maybe Negi is infected with vampirism, and Evangeline just sealed away or greatly slowed down his transformation...

...okay, I doubt it, though it'd be an interesting premise. Yeah, as far as I can recall, we don't know exactly how vampires are made in the Negimaverse, unless I forgot some aspect of Eva's backstory, so it's entirely possible that just drinking the blood isn't enough.
Evangeline has all the qualities of a true vampire, and none of a nosferatu. If she was a true vampire (and she is, that's canon), then she shouldn't be able to control or prevent the transformation like you suggest. If a true vampire bites you, you either die or turn into a vampire yourself.

Since Neji isn't dead (that we know of), and Evangeline is a true vampire (stated in canon), Neji should be a vampire by now, because he survived being bitten.

Only, for whatever odd reason, he isn't.

buffyverse
The buffyverse fails harder than anything has ever failed before. That's goes triple for their Emopires.
 
#11
Most of the more-recent vampire legends require consumption of vampire blood for an actual change. Mostly so we can actually have non-evil vampires; they can grab a snack and not have to worry about either killing them or creating a fledgeling.

That said, I don't know of but one or two daywalking types, and those are usually vampire royals. Since Evangeline was turned, she doesn't fall under that category.

Then again, we also don't know of any magical vampire types, so it's probably not possible to define her type. But regardless, it probably requires some of her own blood in trade.
 

Luthorne

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#12
Scygnus Darkhawk said:
Most of the more-recent vampire legends require consumption of vampire blood for an actual change. Mostly so we can actually have non-evil vampires; they can grab a snack and not have to worry about either killing them or creating a fledgeling.

That said, I don't know of but one or two daywalking types, and those are usually vampire royals. Since Evangeline was turned, she doesn't fall under that category.

Then again, we also don't know of any magical vampire types, so it's probably not possible to define her type. But regardless, it probably requires some of her own blood in trade.
Well, actually, according to Wikipedia...

Wiki Sez said:
Evangeline was born in a castle in Europe during the Middle Ages, possibly in Ireland or Scotland (McDowell's Mc means grandson of~ in Celtic languages), although it is not known if she was royalty or not. When she awoke on her tenth birthday, she found she had been turned into a vampire while she slept. Initially she had the customary weakness of a vampire towards sunlight and so on that she learned to overcome, becoming a Shinso (??, Shinso?) vampire or "high daylight walker". She developed her magical powers in order to get revenge on the man who turned her, whom she killed. She was initially forced to lead an itinerant life since she could not hide the fact that her body no longer aged, though she shows she can disguise herself as a much more physically mature version of herself.
I vaguely remember something along those lines in the manga, but I can't remember what chapter exactly it was that had Evangeline going over her past, and I really don't want to hunt for it...but, nevertheless.

Though, really, it all depends on how Akamatsu wants to approach it...he might be drawing on newer vampire material, he might be making use of some older myths, or he might just pick and choose. Until he says how, exactly, a vampire is turned, we can only speculate on the matter, with no real definitive answer. If it was while she slept...well, I suppose he could have had her drink some blood in her sleep or something. Then again, it might all be a matter of intent...or, as Bissek said, it might be that Negi's utilizing magic to make sure he doesn't become a vampire. Who really knows? :huh.:
 

Lord Raine

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#13
Scygnus Darkhawk said:
Most of the more-recent vampire legends require consumption of vampire blood for an actual change. Mostly so we can actually have non-evil vampires; they can grab a snack and not have to worry about either killing them or creating a fledgeling.

That said, I don't know of but one or two daywalking types, and those are usually vampire royals. Since Evangeline was turned, she doesn't fall under that category.

Then again, we also don't know of any magical vampire types, so it's probably not possible to define her type. But regardless, it probably requires some of her own blood in trade.
True vampires have no weakness to light, nor do they suffer when exposed to crosses or other symbols of Christian faith. Dracula could walk about in the daylight as he pleased, and often visited the local church in various disguises.

The weakness to sunlight is a trait of the nosferatu. The majority of vampire weakness are, actually. The only vampiric weakness Dracula and his brood had was a wooden stake through the heart. Nothing else could kill them.

In that regard, all 'true' vampires should be "daywalkers". Only weaker nosferatu need fear the sun. And Evangeline is definitely a true vampire.
 
#14
WTF are you coming up with this 'true vampire' bullshit and why are you applying it to a manga that may have no real connection to any particular vampire myth at all?
 

Lord Raine

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#15
Christopher Robin said:
WTF are you coming up with this 'true vampire' bullshit and why are you applying it to a manga that may have no real connection to any particular vampire myth at all?
Because unlike you, I've read Dracula and Nosferatu and actually know what the fuck I'm talking about.

Get educated, lose the attitude, and try again.
 

MC80a Liberty

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#16
Lord Raine said:
Christopher Robin said:
WTF are you coming up with this 'true vampire' bullshit and why are you applying it to a manga that may have no real connection to any particular vampire myth at all?
Because unlike you, I've read Dracula and Nosferatu and actually know what the fuck I'm talking about.

Get educated, lose the attitude, and try again.
That still doesn't explain why you think the rules from Nosferatu and Dracula should apply to an unrelated series like Negima.
 

Lord Raine

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#17
MC80a Liberty said:
Lord Raine said:
Christopher Robin said:
WTF are you coming up with this 'true vampire' bullshit and why are you applying it to a manga that may have no real connection to any particular vampire myth at all?
Because unlike you, I've read Dracula and Nosferatu and actually know what the fuck I'm talking about.

Get educated, lose the attitude, and try again.
That still doesn't explain why you think the rules from Nosferatu and Dracula should apply to an unrelated series like Negima.
Because Akamatsu has mentioned three times (once in the manga, twice outside of it during cons) that Evangeline is a true vampire, and that he was inspired by Dracula and wanted to make her as much like the count as possible, both in terms of character and in terms of power.
 

Cosgrove

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#18
Well going by the english manga volumes (which I have a copy of in my hand) in Vol 6, chapter 52, after Fate tries to kill Evangeline he makes the comment:

"...Ah, I don't think I care to face a pure blood high daylight walker just now. I'll be leaving then, if you don't mind." (the italicized text was also italicized in the manga)

Being that in the fan translation posted on onemanga, he says

"...I see, I would be at a disadvantage If I were to fight a true-blood vampire. I'll be retreating for today."

Being that it is about the same in either translation and taking in what she said at the end of vol 12 (having survived being burned at the stake), I'd have to say that Eva's probably not just any common lowly vampire, which gives Lord Raine's arguement some backing.
 

GenocideHeart

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#19
Lord Raine said:
MC80a Liberty said:
Lord Raine said:
Christopher Robin said:
WTF are you coming up with this 'true vampire' bullshit and why are you applying it to a manga that may have no real connection to any particular vampire myth at all?
Because unlike you, I've read Dracula and Nosferatu and actually know what the fuck I'm talking about.

Get educated, lose the attitude, and try again.
That still doesn't explain why you think the rules from Nosferatu and Dracula should apply to an unrelated series like Negima.
Because Akamatsu has mentioned three times (once in the manga, twice outside of it during cons) that Evangeline is a true vampire, and that he was inspired by Dracula and wanted to make her as much like the count as possible, both in terms of character and in terms of power.
Dracula WAS NOT immune to sunlight. He could stave off its bad effects, but only if he regularly slept in soil from his homeland. When he went for extended periods without sleeping in appropriate soil, he avoided sunlight because it harmed him.

Evangeline, OTOH; doesn't have that problem at all. She's about as much a 'true vampire' in the Dracula sense as a yukionna, which is to say not very much at all, since Akamatsu obviously mixed a few vampire myths up.

Right now, Evangeline is more akin to a lamia (greek female vampire who preys on children's blood - coincidentally Mahora is basically nothing but children...), than a Bram Stoker style vampire.

And for the record, Dracula is hardly the be-all, end-all vampire. Vamp myths existed long before Stoker was an egg in his mother's ovaries. Dracula is just the most popular. And Evangeline is more like Castlevania's Dracula than Bram Stoker's anyway. Methinks Akamatsu has played too many Konami games... he did mention in his blog that he's a fan of Akumajou Dracula...
 

fenixzero

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#20
Lord Raine said:
Since Neji isn't dead (that we know of), and Evangeline is a true vampire (stated in canon), Neji should be a vampire by now, because he survived being bitten.

Only, for whatever odd reason, he isn't.
This same thing happened to me in the Naruto forums, but in reverse.
 

Lord Raine

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#21
Wrong. That was a later version of Dracula that incorporated various elements of Nosferatu into the telling (specifically the weakness to sunlight and the 'soil' requirement). In the original concept, Dracula was immune to sunlight, just like every other normal person. He preferred to sleep in the day because he was "a creature of the night", but could travel about in sunlight with no hindrance or discomfort, if he desired.

This same thing happened to me in the Naruto forums, but in reverse.
That's because my spell check recognizes Neji, but not Negi. Auto-correct can be annoying like that.
 

ttestagr

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#22
Eva is a shinsou, like Arcueid. The series depict them differently though.
 

wingthesword

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#23
can you explain what exactly the differences between these are?

Vampire
Nosferatu
Shinsou

Thank you.
 

ttestagr

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#24
It depends on the story. Vampires are different in almost all stories, and the names tend to be used differently. Different mythologies also have differences between vampires who have the same type. Like Arcueid and Eva.


Basically, a shinsou is the top of the food chain of vampires. It doesn't have the weaknesses, but retains all of the strengths. The reason is that they aren't undead. Depending on the story, they can turn people though. Eva can. Arc can't.

Nosferatu are animated corpses. The soul may or may not be present. But still undead.
 

Lord Raine

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#25
Not entirely.

[TL;DR VAMPIRE BULLSHIT]

True Vampire = top of the food chain. It has, at most, one weakness (stake through the heart), and some don't even have that. They're immortal, and look like extremely attractive humans. They tend to be sophisticated, well spoken, and possess an array of supernatural powers (transform into a bat or a cloud of bats, control the weather, transform into a cloud of mist, superhuman strength, superhuman agility, regenerative properties of varying potencies, powerful magic, flight, ect, ect).

If a human is bitten by a True Vampire, they will turn into a True Vampire themselves unless some intervention is made. The process takes time, but the actual amount varies from story to story. In some, it's as long as a week. In others, only a few minutes, or even a few seconds. It's important to note that if the one bitten dies between the initial bite and their transformation, they will not come back or rise again. Thus, a True Vampire who does not wish to spread their curse can simply drain a victim of enough blood to kill them.

Alucard is a True Vampire. Ceres Victoria is a True Vampire. Count Dracula is a True Vampire.


Nosferatu = bottom of the food chain. A Nosferatu has many weaknesses, and very few strengths. It can be killed by most normal methods used to kill living things, and has mortal weaknesses to a number of different things and substances (sunlight, garlic, holy symbols, running water, prayer, blood of a virgin, fire, silver, cold iron, ect, ect). A Nosferatu is only slightly stronger than a normal human, and is about as fast. Nosferatu are impossible to mistake, as they possess grotesque features that mark them as decidedly nonhuman. Often possessing rat-like or bat-like facial features, rotting or leathery flesh, gangly limbs, and impossibly long clawed fingers, any Nosferatu who wishes to remain unnoticed is forced to cover their entire body with cloth, armor, or other obscuring feature.

Nosferatu do, however, possess one ability that makes them very dangerous. A Nosferatu is a hive for disease and pestilence, and taints their surroundings whether they want to or not. Plagues and viruses follow Nosferatu wherever they go, and they seem to have the ability to corrupt and rot whatever they come into contact with at will.

If a human is bitten by a Nosferatu, they will die. Nosferatu do not spread their taint to others like a True Vampire does. New Nosferatu are created when a Nosferatu spends a length of time near corpses. After a degree of time has elapsed, the corpses will spontaneously rise as new Nosferatu, thanks to the taint of the first.

There are very few examples of Nosferatu in literature and media, if only because they are extremely weak and usually donÆt satisfy the audiences desires. Technically, some particularly noxious types of zombie could be classified as Nosferatu. Also, the majority of ôweakö vampires (who tend to serve as cannon fodder for the main characters) could be classified as Nosferatu (except most of them look like humans, not undead monsters).


However, there arenÆt very many pure examples of either, mostly because authors tend to blend True Vampires and Nosferatu together, creating hybrids that share characteristics with both, but arenÆt wholly either.

Examples of hybrids include Blade vampires (excluding Blade himself, who is more like a watered-down True Vampire than a True Vampire-Nosferatu hybrid), Buffy <s>emopiers</s> vampires, and pretty much any vampire written by or inspired by those written by Anne Rice, who both Geryon and myself will forever despise as being the source of the modern Emopires<sup>TM</sup>.

Short Version: True Vampires are badasses like Alucard and Dracula, and look like attractive humans. Some versions of them arenÆt undead, but alive. Nosferatu are cannon fodder, and look like monsters. They are almost always undead. The term ævampireÆ usually refers to a hybrid of these two extremes, because hybrids are the majority in media.

Again, Evangeline is a True Vampire. She exhibits none of the tendencies of Nosferatu, and all the ones of a True Vampire. On top of that, Akamatsu has outright stated that she is based off of characters like Dracula and Alucard, which even further cements the fact that she is a True Vampire.


[TL;DR VAMPIRE BULLSHIT]

[EDIT]

Almost forgot. Shinsou is just a generic Japanese term for vampire, and usually refers to western-style vampires like Dracula. It isnÆt a specific kind of vampire, just a generic term for them.

Also, ôHigh Daylight Walkerö is one of EvangelineÆs titles/aliases, not what she actually is. Her full list of titles and aliases are:

Evangelina Athanasia Ecaterina (her full name)
MacDovell
Dark Evangel
Maga Nosferatu ("The Undead Mage/Wizard")
The Queen of The Night
Eva
The Doll Master
The Apostle of Destruction (IÆd like to know more about this one, personally)
The Tidings of Evil
Puppet Master
Dreaded Vampire
Kitty (lol)
The High Daylight Walker Evangeline
The Girl Queen of Darkness
The Visitation of Woe (IÆd also like to know about this one)
The Disciple of Dark Tones (and this one)
 
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