Akamatsuverse Negi's tuition

[ttestagr]

Alucard is nothing of the sort Raine. Not even getting into the fact that he describes himself as a nosferatu, a turning required the victims death. As seen with Seras Victoria. She might have gotten the potential for everything Alucard has, but she still died from getting a hole blown through her chest while she was being turned.

And of course, if you've had sex you just turn into a ghoul.


Like I said, a True Vampire is alive. A nosferatu is not.

 

[Lord Raine]

True Vampires aren't always alive. Did you somehow miss that in my post? Even the original Dracula wasn't sure; one of his lines has him pondering out-loud "am I alive, or simply dead, and do not know it? Ha! Such fancy is beyond my care. I am here now. Nothing else matters".

 

[SoulGriever13]

Basically, a shinsou is the top of the food chain of vampires. It doesn't have the weaknesses, but retains all of the strengths. The reason is that they aren't undead. Depending on the story, they can turn people though. Eva can. Arc can't.

Um, no. Arc can. Not into more of _her_ kind, obviously, but fer cryin' out loud, ROA!

That concludes this public service announcement.

-Griever

 

[Takerial]

The problem you guys have is that you are arguing on the basis that the descriptions are unchanged. But like the majority of writers, at least the good ones, when they are inspired by something they rarely use an unchanged version of it in their own stories. This is because what someone wrote about before doesn't necessarily work for something else.

By viewing the way Eva is, it seems she is a True Vampire but the way her power is spread is not by the usual manner in the stories but by magic instead. Which if you take that into consideration helps make the pieces you are questioning fit in a lot better. Since the transferrance of vampirism is by magic instead then other rules may apply to the situation that wouldn't normally when using the original method.

Besides, many manga writers use western influence in their stories but rarely use what is the 'correct' version.

 

[Lord Raine]

Her power isn't focused in her magic; she's a dangerous hand-to-hand opponent as well. She may prefer a style that redirects the enemyÆs strength, but she's exhibited at least two instances of super-strength and super-speed that I can recall.

Also, she seems to be locked in her younger form, which likely has had a detrimental effect on her powers. I seem to recall someone mentioning that a person's full power can only be attained in a fully mature body (or something along those lines). I think whoever said it was trying to console Negi in one of his "I'm not progressing fast enough" moments.


And I understand what you're talking about, and I agree. However, 'True Vampire' is a specific term that refers to a specific type of vampire. Since Akamatsu has used the term to describe Evangeline, and since he seems to know what the term refers to, we can only presume that she is, in fact, a True Vampire.

 

[al103]

Depending on the story, they can turn people though. Eva can. Arc can't.

Arc can. Origin of death apostles are human blood drinking shinso. As any other shinso if Arc dry somebody he will became death apostle. Actually IIRC she did it to Roa.

 

[ttestagr]

Depending on the story, they can turn people though.? Eva can.? Arc can't.

Arc can. Origin of death apostles are human blood drinking shinso. As any other shinso if Arc dry somebody he will became death apostle. Actually IIRC she did it to Roa.

Actually turning someone means making them what you are. In my opinion anyway. Which isn't the case with a Dead Apostle.

 

[Takerial]

True, but like I said, if you were to replace the method of turning, such as a biological aspect which seems to be the original emphasis on a true vampire. Which might be why only a virgin is suppose to be capable of turning into one, with it being a magical aspect, the rules do change slightly. As magic is such a suggestive term in any story since the way it works is up to the author.

Given that, the bite might be able to be counter by magical means. Or it might not be possible to inhibit into someone who is already consisting of magic, as in the two magic do not mix together.

Again, it could have just been a slight error on the author's part and he just missed that detail when working through things. Who really knows.

 

[Lord Raine]

It's worth pointing out that the concept of the True Vampire is seated in Christian lore. According to the original concept, a True Vampire is a fallen human. Dracula was described as "he is to mortal men what Lucifer is to angels, and his spawn are to us what demons are to angels".

The implication being that humans can 'fall' just as angels can, and in doing so, they become True Vampires.

This is reflected in the creation of genesis vampires (vampires that were not bitten by another, but became vampires on their own). Dracula became what he was because he blasphemed against God, damning the church, God, and all that they stood for.

That action was also mirrored in Hellsing, when Dracula chose to sell his soul and endure on in a mockery of life, rather than face the penalty for his sins.

This is further reinforced by the ending of Dracula, which has him praying to God to forgive him for turning his back on the light (the ending implies that he was forgiven, as he claimed to "see the gates [of heaven]" as he died).


Just a little FYI. Negima!vampires seem to be based on some sort of magical curse, rather than sin or spiritual corruption, so that's one major difference right there.