Evangelion NGE/Robotech Story ideas

inuboy86

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#1
I have only really seen one good NGE/Robotech crossover story and that is 'To The Stars' by ' Walter Kovacs' on FF.net and it hasn't been updated since 2008, which is really sad since it was so good, so does anyone else have ideas for NGE/Robotech crossover stories because I would like to see more of that crossover?

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#4
Whatever your storyline is, you have to have Shinji get taken under the wing of Maximillian Jenius (aka "Max Sterling") and his hot alien wife Milia Fallyna Jenius (aka "Miriya Parina Sterling").

AWESOME will follow this Shinji's footsteps, rather than Fail and Suckage, as with canon Shinji.
 

Whiteagle

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#5
David Alan Abramczyk said:
Whatever your storyline is, you have to have Shinji get taken under the wing of Maximillian Jenius (aka "Max Sterling") and his hot alien wife Milia Fallyna Jenius (aka "Miriya Parina Sterling").

AWESOME will follow this Shinji's footsteps, rather than Fail and Suckage, as with canon Shinji.
Of course, that may be easy to do if Max was related to Kensuke Aida...
 

inuboy86

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#6
I'm focusing on Robotech not Macross, that's my favorite series.
 

toraneko

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#9
David Alan Abramczyk said:
Whatever your storyline is, you have to have Shinji get taken under the wing of Roy Fokker.
Fixed.

You know it would happen.
 

bluepencil

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#11
What.

ôInstead, it has been decided to gauge the EvangelionÆs capabilities against a far more maneuverable craft.ö

Shinji was already inside the cityscape when he heard an aircraft passing overhead. For a moment, he thought about whatever it was that had prevented Roy from being in the command bunker this time. His friend had seemed unusually sullen when informing him. Then, the Eva pilot received the latest in the series of surprises that had been dropped at his feet since arriving on Macross Island û the jet transformed into a humanoid robot and landed on its feet several blocks ahead of him.

ôThis is the Veritech VF-1S, your opponent for this test,ö Gloval informed Shinji. ôAs before, the exercise ends when either of you gains a confirmed disabling shot on the other. Shinji, be aware that while you will be armed with non-lethal ordnance, the Veritech is using live ammunition.ö

ôWhat?ö

ôIÆm afraid I have my orders,ö Gloval apologized, deciding against directing an angry glare at the observing Colonel. ôThe Veritech pilot will make every effort to prevent injury, and medical teams are ready to act on a momentÆs notice.ö

Somehow, Shinji did not feel reassured by the Captain, but saw nothing to do about it now. Besides, it was not as if they really knew this æReflex weaponryÆ could harm an Eva. Nothing less than a N2bomb could hope to penetrate an extended AT field. He had nothing to worry about. Really.

ôMove into positions,ö Gloval ordered.

Shinji raised his rifle. The Veritech did the same.

ôBegin.ö

Opting to err on the side of discretion, Shinji vaulted Unit-01 down the left street, his rifle blazing in the hope that it might æhitÆ something. Hearing nothing, he peeked around the corner to see that the mecha was gone. Feet rooted to the spot, Shinji looked around, hoping for some clue to his foeÆs location. Such a clue came when the building he was hiding behind exploded, sending pieces of rubble everywhere. Through the haze, the Veritech was barely visible, but Shinji did not wait to get a clear look. Instead, he made another mad vault, this time to the top of a building in the hopes of ending this fight as quickly as the previous. To his surprise, his opponent transformed again, this time looking like a jet with legs as it rushed forward.

ôOh, come on.ö Shinji pleaded.

Diving behind the nearest building, the Third Child could hear the unmistakable sound of a large amount of missiles being loosed on a target. His worst fears were made manifest when the building providing cover was suddenly ventilated by the successive ordnance onslaught. Desperately trying to regain some measure of control, the pilot of Unit-01 opted for a strategy that consisted of running forward with guns blazing. The Veritech responded similarly and darted right under its opponentÆs line of fire.

Shinji loosed a frustrated sigh and spun around, hoping to catch the Veritech off-guard. Unfortunately, the enemy mecha was far too quick for the Eva and had already positioned itself out of range and reconfigured itself back to its humanoid form. Not even thinking about aiming, Shinji raised his rifle again to fire off several rounds, which the Veritech easily avoided. For the first time, the question of the identity of the opposing pilot popped into ShinjiÆs mind û whoever it was, he was good. The longer this lasted, the more likely it was that the Veritech would outmaneuver him. The Eva charged forward once more and the transformable mecha again dodged and watched as Unit-01 plowed into a nearby building, causing it to crumble. Inside, Shinji winced as he tried to regain his footing, knowing that his current situation left him wide open to attack.

ôManeuverability,ö Admiral Hayes said, inside the bunker.

ôSir?ö Gloval asked.

ôThe Veritech is performing well because of its maneuverability. It appears that modeling the Destroids for heavy firepower over maneuverability may have been a mistake, explaining its failure.ö

ôThat is one possible explanation,ö Colonel Leonard grumbled. ôHowever, it does not mean that Destroids would not dominate large-scale engagements at range.ö

ôMaybe,ö the Admiral responded, turning his attention back to the fight.

Shinji, meanwhile, was trying everything he could think of, but to no avail. Having discarded the rifle in favor of a pistol, he Eva pilot had attempted everything short of a song and dance in order to get the enemy to stand still long enough for him to get a clear shot. Yet, as the battle wore on and on, all he had managed to do was level the surrounding landscape. The original engagement zone resembled something akin to an impact crater and the outlying area did not look much better. Every time Shinji made a move he hoped would shift the tide of battle, the Veritech acted accordingly. A suspicion was growing in the back of the boyÆs mind that he was being toyed with.

Deciding it was time to go for broke, Shinji hurled Unit-01 against the building next to him, pushing it over and forcing his opponent to æjumpÆ back to avoid getting hit. Ripping off the side of another building, he used it as a makeshift shield as he charged his opponent. As the VeritechÆs gatling cannon tore the barrier to shreds, Shinji tossed it above the mecha, hoping that would force it to stay on the ground, where it would be vulnerable to counterattack. Shinji raised the EvaÆs AT field, trusting that it would block any incoming fire.

It was a fatal mistake. A sharp pain tore through ShinjiÆs left arm as he realized what had happened. The cannonÆs attack had passed through the AT field like it was not even there.
This is a story with good narrative so how could he miss the -scale- between such things? The VF-1 has in battroid mode
Height 12.68 m
Width 7.3 m
Wingspan same as in Fighter mode
Length 4 m

with a maximum takeoff weight of about 37 tons. Meanwhile, the Eva should stand at least 25, more like 50, and iseventy-five meters in Rebuild while weighing thousands of tons. These things can tank Cruise Missiles even -without- the AT-field. Hell, a 55mm gunpod should not even be able to rip a building to shreds, unless it's a really small building. Why? Because concrete works great as an ablative. Conctrete is laid over a structural steel framework, and thus unless that framework is torn apart the whole thing will hold together. As with the end of Evangelion, Unit 02 outright -ignores- 120mm (or even larger) anti-armor rounds and mass spam of air to ground missiles. Most A2G missiles function through the -shaped charge- against armor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armor_piercing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaped_charge

The 55mm Depleted Uranium-round gunpod is based off the GAU Avenger cannon, which tears up tanks just fine. However, tanks have a problem with blow-through. There's only so much space inside, that practically anything that penetrates its armor will kill the crew. In comparison, since an Eva is basically an upsized human being, it (and we) should survive something to the equivalent of being stabbed by small needles.

Remember, the force of impact is k = m v squared. A 55mm round has only so much mass, and its velocity cannot really compensate for that because it's a chemical-fired weapon. A gauss-fired round can achieve sufficient velocity (ref: recent research in EM-propel guns for warships) but a GUN? From what range? Remember, the Veritech was trying to dodge. The very moment a round leaves the barrel, its velocity starts to drop. Its kinetic energy at the impact point is diminished. Even lasers have to deal with attenuation.

Granted, I haven't read that far yet, but how the hell is a 55mm able to penetrate an AT-field? It's a -projectile-, and AT-fields are supposed to be good enough against kinetic strikes. Did he miss an Eva -catching- something from orbit in the TV show? I like Macross, and Roy, but this is just MacrossWank. A crossover that disrespects both sides of a meshed setting, no matter how well-written, is just going to sound like self-indulgence.

We can assume that since there was a WW3/Global Civil War, and the discovery of (other) aliens, NERV's funding is diluted to such an extent that they're making -sucky- Evangelions. However, this begs the question, what's the point then? Why not just blast an Angel with a particle beam from orbit? They have compact nuclear Fusion reactors inside their Veritech fighters. Logically therefore, an Evangelion with an upscaled version need never fear ever running out of power. Its AT-field should be stupidly powerful.

But no. What, is it something to do with the protoculture? Can't the two be used at the same time or in proximity? How is the Angel even expected to get to, much less -threaten- the incoming protoculture-using Zentraedi fleet massing in the hundreds of thousands of ships?

How will Unit 01 being inside SDF-1 add anything to the tension in the story? It's a lumbering beast that is easily defeated by Veritech fighters and Veritech-scale weaponry! Mass spam with BattlePods should be able to take it out, much like battleships were made obsolete by bomber aircraft. If you have removed the utility of the AT-field against conventional weaponry and thus removed its entire point of existence, right? What the hell is up with this story? One is a psychological horror while the other is a straight-up shooter with mass-produced mecha. It just doesn't MESH until one takes serious thought into adapting the setting into each other. It's not enough to say "Oh, it would be cool if Shinji met Roy and Rick, and maybe Miriya too." but that the settings must be reconciled with their vast disparities in materials technology.

Improvements from Macross should necessarily influence NGE. As said before, compact Fusion reactors mean no more unsightly umbilical cables. On the other hand, NGE biotech means that instead of bulky or heavy hydraulics, much lighter myomer and artificial muscle can be used to move joints. Robotech has Reflex warheads. Huh. Surprisingly, this actually carries with how NGE have weaponized antimatter, only taking the opposite route of directed-fire weapons. Robotech brings high-power fusion engines for flight. NGE brings stupidly tough armor. Combine these two and you have



A forced ramjet means it can loiter up there almost -forever- (or at least for months on end) while the sheer strength of its armor means immunity to all but the most powerful of directed-fire weapons.

For god's sake, the Monster is at the scale of an Eva at about 20m high

and it only weighs a meager 280-300 tons. It's slow as fuck, and that is why sensibly it operates as artillery. Why the hell would they allow something that masses in the -thousands of tons- exist solely as a -close combat specialist-? That being said, about Eva speed and maneuverability, there is also that bit from Sahaquiel's episode where


Unit 01 runs fast enough that it's "too fast for the eye, or camera, to follow" . That thing left over there is a building under construction. Now, it is not necessary that the Eva break the sound barrier; just because it's so flipping huge, it's going to be pushing a lot of air out of the way.

It should NOT be able to move like that!

Evangelions are -magitech-. For something grounded in conceptual reality as Robotech/Macross, there are serious considerations that must be ironed out before scientists start going insane from how much they break the laws of physics every time they fight. Seriously, take Sachiel. You have a particle beam in the shape of a cross. How come it doesn't disperse out into the atmosphere? What's keeping it contained? The AT-field? So does this mean it can -exist- in discrete packages away from the Angel?

They have gravity control technology. Do you understand what this means? The Evangelion MAY FLY. If it had a sufficiently powerful AT-field, it could just blow through a fighter screen at speed and begin to RIP N TEAR capital ships. Remember, the Zentraedi don't -have- shields, and their main gun Reflex cannons of course require moving the whole ship to aim. The smaller guns seem like particle beam cannons.

Serious, serious lot of thinking before this can go through. Most important however, is that a -plot- must be worked out ahead of time. A lot of shit in NGE could not have been accomplished without three Evangelions there. Sahaquiel, for instance. Or Deus Ex Machina from Yui's influence. Leliel. How about a psychological attack against which there is no defense? Arael. What, you'd have to bring in Makinami Mari? She's -competitive-. Asuka and Mari would not make for a good working environment. Surprisingly, Mayumi Hamagishi is sufficiently Shinji-like to perhaps balance things out.

The problem is that the story would happen in two places; on Earth and inbound from Pluto. It took Macross the better part of a year to get back. That is also the timeframe of NGE from Shinji's arrival to Third Impact. Splitting the focus between two locations and two entirely different set of characters would be jarring to the reader. Of course, one could just focus on the travails of SDF-1, maybe have the Angels attack it instead, but... (points to the geofront) Adam and Lillith. Yeah, a LOT of more Angels are needed, for a true melee a'trois where everybody is fighting basically everybody. It would be a magnificent clusterfuck, but unless properly set up, it's just going to end up being an Asspull instead of Awesome.
 

inuboy86

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#12
Is anyone getting any ideas for a good NGE/Robotech story?
 

GreydonCreed

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#13
How about this...

When Shinji and Unit 01 got sucked into the 12th Angel (the one with the 2-D body and the 3-D zebra striped ball shaped shadow) it is hypothesized that it's inverted AT-Field contains a Dirac Sea, which could lead to another universe.

What if that is literally the case? When Unit 01 burst out of Angel, it does so at the only other place in space-time at that moment that had been torn open - when the SDF-1 does it's space-fold jump over Macross Island to Pluto's orbit. The two objects (Unit 01 and the fold engines) trade places, with the destabilizing engines blowing the 12th Angel to pieces (Tokyo3 and the rest of the Eva world is optional). Unit 01 winds up either floating in space alongside the SDF-1 in Pluto orbit or in the engine room.

The problem with using Unit 01 for Robotech battle is twofold - the Eva need enormous amounts of energy, which may be supplied by a reflex power plant in place of an S2 engine or a power cord. The other problem is one that was brought up earlier in the thread - Evas are 40 meters high, while Veritechs are 12 meters tall, almost a third of the size. The Evas also not have means for flight propulsion, as they were designed to be used in ground combat only. While the RDF and Dr Lang might be able to make Unit 01 operational, it would be in either a ground attack mode, a shielding mode (using the AT Field to protect the SDF-1) or as a ship killer (throwing Unit 01 into a enemy ship and tearing it apart from the inside, especially by destroying the engine).

Additional elements that can be added is that Yui Ikari makes herself known to the RDF from inside Unit 01 and helps them out, that the Eva Pilot Synch tech and the 'thinking cap' tech allows certain VT pilots to high level synch with their ships (hint - Max, Roy, Rick, and Shinji). They would effectively be *wearing* the VT, a la massively over sized power armor.

If you want to add either some giggles or some heartbreak to the story, you could show the Eva crew's reactions to what happened with Shinji and the 12th Angel, especially when they realize they have no way to track Unit 01 (which will drive Gendo nuts). Misato, Rei, and maybe Asuka will be massively affected in their own ways. The Eva world surviving the lose of Unit 01 may result in the end of that world and Instrumentality... or nothing at all may result. The Dead Sea Scroll prophecies would be completely screwed, but hey, I'm not bothered by that thought. :)

Hope this was some help, inuboy.
 

bluepencil

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#14
Fuck that weaksauce. Eva-01 gattais with the SDF-1.

THERE WILL BE DRILLS.

:lol:


I'm kidding, of course.


There is also the alternative that Macross/Robotech Earth is a post-Third Impact world. It's been re-Created, and they dug up Unit-01 and realized that there is an infinite power source at hand. Zor's flagship crashlanding on Earth was just a random accident, correct? What if it wasn't an accident? What if the Flowers of Life (apparently, the things can make you psychic if you eat enough of them) sought the Garden of Paradise, a place where they can grow. Why was it they grow only on Optera? There was something on that world beyond scientific scanners, beyond just soil and atmospheric conditions. It was why the Invid were originally peaceful tenders of the flowers, but could change shape and form and had a powerful energy presence (ref: the Regis and its FTL energy hawk form).

So. Unit 01 is barely recognizable as a humanoid construct. Assume all that's left is its torso and its head. Then, Gloval orders a Space Fold inside a planetary gravity well.

They WAKE UP A GOD.

Complicate things hideously by having biomechanical components GROW into the SDF-1, sort of like Vandread's Pakesys crystal. A Protoculture-powered mecha is more responsive somehow than something running off simple electrical current? Perhaps because there's some sort of low-level AT-field effect. Then then get an absolutely massive AT-field, like one we recognize, a field that can actually visibly warp spacetime.

Instead of Capture, the order to Breetai may become Destroy. Or, the Invid can arrive way, way earlier, and the whole damn Zentraedi Grand Fleet and the Invid Armadas clash in the outer regions of the Solar System. Meanwhile, those on Earth would have to gnash their teeth and think, just HOW the hell can we survive this one?

What about Shinji Ikari? Well, either he's just a normal boy, a reincarnation, popped out of the Core, or he's the only one that can actually trigger modular transformation into the more humanoid form. SDF-1's other mode really doesn't do anything other than to let the second set of reactors connect to the Reflex Cannon, correct? Imagine the insanity if it could actually MOVE like a giant mecha, in a way that's agile and similar to the later Macross vessels (such as the Frontier).

Protoculture means First Culture. The First Ancestral Race in Evangelion was the first form of life in the universe and seeded the galaxies. Where they are now, no one knows.

However, think about this. Before fishes, reptiles, and mammals, what form of life was there first and remains dominant over the plant? Without it, -everything else- dies?


PLANTS.


The Protoculture Flowers of Life are the real-space manifestations of the First Ancestral Race. They live mostly in hyperspace now, having 'ascended' into different forms. Adam and Lillith were just Terraforming Agents. Now put them next to what they were supposed to cultivate.

Weirdness Ensues.
 

inuboy86

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#15
What if the Angels were actually a creation of the Invid that they send to other worlds to make them into suitable farming worlds for the Flower of Life, and the REF is the secret protectors of Earth and the secret colonies set up on other worlds as well as their Protoculture farms on their colonies? But the rest of the world doesn't have any knowledge of them except a select few in the government, even SEELE doesn't know of them, and when Gendo abandoned Shinji he was adopted by Scott Bernard and his wife Ariel and raised as a REF child learning things few do as well as gaining abilities that are common for them since the people of the REF are exposed to Protoculture and the Flower of Life, and he joins the REF military training to become a pilot along with his brothers and sisters (Scott and Ariel have several children that are Human/Invid hybrids). Then he receives the letter from Gendo and the REF sends him to spy on NERV since they have little info on them, and things start to happen that forces the REF to expose itself to the world. And it causes chaos since now Earth has to fight off alien forces that want to destroy humanity.

That's an idea I had, and it would have a large and florishing REF Fleet and forces since they have a lot of territory to protect, and powerful enemies such as the Robotech Masters, Invid, Haydonites, they also figured out the problem with Shadow Tech and fixed it and improved the Tech, as well as to have at least 33 colony star systems with a couple dozen colony worlds and hundreds of colonized moons, and a complete understanding of Robotechnology and Protoculture and their greatest achievement, Protoculture Crystals that last MUCH MUCH longer then ordinary Protoculture and gives at least 20 times the power ordinary Protoculture does, and medical science that's WAY WAY more advance, like they can heal Misato so she can have children again, and many other things. What do you think can it be used by others?
 

bluepencil

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#16
Ah, no. It's much more likely that it's the other way around. Adam and Lillith are billions of years old. For perspective, how long has it been since the dinosaurs died? Only a mere 64 million years. In that blink of geological time, mammals grew to completely fill the empty ecological niches.

Unless you somehow want to imply that Zor is two billion years old? Remember that he found the Flowers of Life in Optera, and the Robotech Masters ordered it defoliated so that no one could ever contest their monopoly on the substance.

A hive mind consisting of invertebrate, bipedal, crab-like creatures, the Invid came from the world of Optera, the inhabitable planet of the Tzuptum System. Their world was defoliated by the Robotech Masters in an attempt to monopolise a powerful narcotic, the Flower of Life that was native to the planet; In the Robotech series, the Flower was also the source of an incredibly powerful energy source called protoculture. Enraged by the devastation and betrayal by their one-time allies, the sedate and agrarian Invid militarizeá and begin a program of genetic manipulation to evolve to a point of superiority above the Masters. Eventually, the Invid trace the stolen Flowers to Earth which turns out to be the only other place in the galaxy where the Flower can grow. The Invid invade Earth without a moment's hesitation, an ironic act of perpetuating the crimes committed on them, thus beginning the Third Robotech War.

The Invid are led by a pair of monarchs, the Regent, who is consumed by the desire for revenge over the Robotech Masters and who does not favor reshaping his race into a form similar to that of the Masters; and the Regis, the queen mother of the race, the proponent of the genetic evolution program.[1] Unlike the Regent, who has chosen to remain in the original form of the species, the Regis has genetically modified herself to the point that she is humanoid in form and nearly human overall; she was the first of her race to evolve as she was seduced by the Masters' scientist Zor. The Regent and Regis have since separated and divided the race between them; the Regis leading the invasion of Earth, while the Regent continued to hold the space around Optera and continue the war in space against the Masters on their own homeworld of Tirol.[2][1]

With the release of the movie Robotech: The Shadow Chronicles, the spelling of the name of the female leader of the Invid was changed to "Regess". Not only was the new spelling used in the movie credits, but references to the character on the official Robotech website were changed to match the new spelling. The reasons for this change are unknown.[3]
Also, not even the Regess at full power could match what Adam can do. Sure, there was this scene in the beginning of Robotech The New Generation where she arrives in some freaky energy storm that bombards locations all over the world, but hardly to the point of actually -altering global climate patterns-. If they were powerful enough to create Adam-like life forms, then why the hell would they need to make Genesis Pits and try to figure out human evolution? In End of Evangelion, we have Uber Giant Naked Rei who can instantly extinct human life all over the globe, without ever having to -touch- them. Saying that Adam and Lillith have the power of Gods is no hyperbole. In comparison, all the Invid really had was to overwhelm the Zentraedi with sheer numbers.

Just because someone can build a space fleet is not ultimate power in itself. Construction and creation are two different things. Adam arrived on Earth when it was still molten magma, during the time of formation of the Solar System. Lillith slammed into the planet, liquefied much of its surface through the sheer energy of Impact, and threw off matter into space that would coalesce around its Seed. Where that matter came from would settle into the Pacific Ocean. What that planetary matter turned into is the Moon.

So you're asking us to accept that the Invid, beings who eventually got defeated both on Earth and Tirol by the REF with their fleets, somehow managed to create beings that could survive smacking into a world of erupting molten rock at significant figures of lightspeed, sleeping through billions of years, and cause reality itself to curl up and moan when they show their true forms? Simply, the Invid are not even nearly old enough, or wise enough, or powerful enough for that.

The rest of it... what? How can the REF be 'secret protectors of the Flower of Life'? The Flowers of Life arrived WITH (Zor's ship) THE MACROSS. Besides which, REF stands for Robotech Expeditionary Fleet. It is a formation of starships, armies, and assets that go off (read: make an expedition) with clear knowledge that it would take a long time before they make it back. By default, they LEAVE EARTH. How could they therefore serve as its protectors if they abandon the very planet they have been tasked to protect through the ages?

The REF departs Earth in a quest for the Robotech Masters' homeworld of Tirol in 2022 (in the rebooted timeline). The mission's objective is to attempt a diplomatic solution with that power to resolve the mutual need for the protocultureá supply that caused the previous Robotech War. In the event that a peaceful resolution proves impossible, then the REF will be at least be able to fight in the Masters' territory this time. However, instead of facing the Robotech Masters, they become involved in a long-running battle with both a faction of the Invid led by a male leader known as the Regent, who leads half of the Invid Race. The other half, led by his wife, the Regess (or Regis) has already traveled to Earth and occupied it in 2031.
The REF can't be secret in the way that it's impossible to hide a space armada. Now, if it was a conspiracy in control of the REF, who -made- the REF in the first place, that works out. However, what is this organization that can order the creation of such a force, with all manpower and military resources required?

The United Nations. Of Earth.

Who controls the United Nations? Look at NGE.



Sorry to be harsh, but please take a deep breath, calm down, and research a bit further before posting.
 

inuboy86

Well-Known Member
#17
I can understand all that so it could be made a AU so that it could work with the story and the Angels could be made in the way I described it doesn't have to follow the NGE show, hell the REF could have come from another dimension so it could be done that way, that's why it's fanfiction. Besides the original show kinda confusing so it's better not to follow the show and spice it up in fanfiction.
 

Lord Raa

Exporter of Juice Tins
#18
inuboy86 said:
I can understand all that so it could be made a AU so that it could work with the story and the Angels could be made in the way I described it doesn't have to follow the NGE show, hell the REF could have come from another dimension so it could be done that way, that's why it's fanfiction. Besides the original show kinda confusing so it's better not to follow the show and spice it up in fanfiction.

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Why are you reposting that pictured with every post you make?

There is a signature function for the forum.
 

bluepencil

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#19
I can understand all that so it could be made a AU so that it could work with the story and the Angels could be made in the way I described it doesn't have to follow the NGE show, hell the REF could have come from another dimension so it could be done that way, that's why it's fanfiction. Besides the original show kinda confusing so it's better not to follow the show and spice it up in fanfiction.
That, unfortunately, is known as Canon Rape. That excuse is only an invitation to get flamed; please, don't ever try to use it on a more serious forum. Seriously, AUs take a LOT of work. If you Just Don't Care, then why should you expect the reader to give a hoot?

Just because it's fanfiction doesn't mean it doesn't need a little forethought to the level of, say, a school writing assignment. There's a outline, a draft, and finally one cleaned up with as few mistakes as possible. It's the difference between bad fanfiction and readable fanfiction. Being lazy about writing is part of why fanfiction has such a bad reputation.

Your new plot hook doesn't yet really fly either. Which came from another dimension? REF or the Invid? If both came through at the same time, then why bother with trying to secretly protect the Flowers of Life? What happened to their fleets? Are they still hostile to each other? If yes, then the resources spent on making the Seeds could have been spent on making more Invid and Veritech fighters to destroy the enemy.

Or, what if say the REF arrived in the Stone Age? Again, there's not point in hiding. Who are their competitors? Second, whatever happened to their ships? Where does the Macross come from then? It's also AMAZING how after so many thousands of years the exact same thing as what happened to them is happening again.

If not, then why hide it? They're all that there is of humanity in the new universe. If only the humans came around, then why aren't they ruling the galaxy? If only the Invid, then why would they make something in the shape of humans and their DNA? If humans and Invid aren't enemies in that other universe, then why is there a Robotech Expeditionary Fleet? Where is the ROBOTECH?

You can't call the REF the REF, if they're not the REF. If they're from another dimension, and different things happened there, then is their ship still the SDF-3? What happened to SDFs 1 and 2? Did Macros still crash-land, did the Zentraedi attack? So why should there be a second crash of a Macross vessel? Where does it come from? If you don't have the SDF-1, and no Zentraedi attack, then is it even really a Robotech story anymore? Remember that the transforming capability of the Veritechs is to be able to fight in close combat against Zentraedi warriors.

If you dare to call something an AU, then you'd better be able to damn well back it up with a consistent backstory. It doesn't make things easier. That's why it's called an Alternate Universe. In a normal crossover, you can just refer to old data between franchises. But in an AU, you'd have to make things up on the whole and defend them from criticism. An excuse of "Because I say so" just sounds arrogant. Please, think about it before you post. You're going to have to develop a thick skin to criticism eventually, if you're going to write... this is the Internet, and you're going to meet people far less polite. There are lots of ideas, it's completing them that's the problem. Sometimes you just have to confront the issue head-on and do some -work-. :)
 

inuboy86

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#20
Then let me ask, how do you fit New Generation/Shadow Chronicles Saga into NGE, because that's what I really want to see, those two Saga's are rarely used in crossovers and people focus more on Macross and Southern Cross Saga's?
 

bluepencil

that's why it's trash can, not trash cannot
#21
New Generation comes after Macross and Southern Cross. If Macross Earth and NGE Earth can be made to fit together, then everything after it carries its own weight. Another possible idea is to take the last episode of New Generation, with the Regis leaving Earth to go to someplace without war.

Cue convenient plot hole later, and sure they get to place where there is no war and the flower of life can grow. Because everybody is dead and there's a bisected giant girl on both sides of the Pacific Ocean.

However, you want an action-y story. The theme of New Generation is 'doing more with less', since for the bulk of the narrative the main characters are pursued and under-supplied, going around to witness a crapsack world that barely even believes things can be good again. To add an Evangelion into that is just overkill, and would remove the underlying premise of controlled desperation that makes it what it is.

We could have the Regis studying an unearthed Eva and using it to fuel their research into the human form, but this would just Marlene an AT-field over just psychic headaches. The narrative of Robotech:TNG is so self-contained that there's no point in messing with it; changing the ending so that the Regis doesn't leave and actually WINS against the incoming RDF fleet by creating a planetary shield/AT-field against the dread Neutron Bomb. At this point, the RDF has been winning all over the planet, save for the hardened Reflex Point. If you've seen Super Dimension Century Orguss, the supposed 'sequel' to Macross, then there there was a super dimensional bomb that fractured the timeline to send different possible pasts and futures crashing together. So, I'd just blindly gank RIFTS Earth's plot and somehow in desperation the Regis pulls the entire Reflex Point into a different dimension or timeline.

If two settings are just too different to cross over, then it's best to have a third setting to serve as a bridge, as like soap to oil and water.

Now, it could be canon NGE (going 'back in time'), since Evangelions are simply not built to deal with things sized like combat vehicles. They can ignore the damage, but often the things are too slow or too many to kill. Enough would sprint past to get at Tokyo-3. The presence of the Invid, and the scattered remnants of the REF, would force the UN to try and build up their own forces. Unfortunately, lacking energy weapons, it would not do much good. The Invid would start raiding, while the REF with their Fusion-powered craft would need to bargain for supplies. The Angels are still out there.

The plotline of NGE may be confusing, but it's better to set such a crossover there because they have the industrial capacity to support an army but not the Robotechnology that could allow them to defend against either Invid or REF. With many nations around, that means politics. Politics means treachery, tension, the desperation from having to track down enemies that can appear, attack, and disappear at will. Then the Angels again, more dangerous now as they sense the -wrongness- of the Invid in their perception of spacetime.


The third setting I'd use would be X-COM:UFO Defense.
http://www.abandonia.com/en/games/38/UFO+-...my+Unknown.html



Alternatively, that other world? Kharak. Cookies if you get the reference. ^_^


edit:
By the way your sig is too big. Could you please cut down the useless black space on the bottom? Even with MsPaint, if you save in PNG it should keep the quality.
 

Whiteagle

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#24
inuboy86 said:
... and medical science that's WAY WAY more advance, like they can heal Misato so she can have children again, and many other things. ...
Wait wait wait... back up here...

When did THAT happen?!?!
 

inuboy86

Well-Known Member
#25
They do have cloning and genetics technology, so repairing her reproductive system shouldn't be a problem.
 
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