Harry Potter Noble house of Potter

[chronodekar]

In a lot of fanfiction, we read of Harry being part of "the most Noble house of Potter" and in some variants, "The Noble and Most Ancient House of Potter".

From any of the 7 BOOKS, is there any support for Harry's lineage as "Noble" ? :huh: The only one I can remember is Dobby telling him something along those lines, but considering that he's a house-elf, I think it's more boot-licking than anything else.

Has any wizard ever confirmed that Harry is part of a "Noble" or "Ancient" house? At least, something to set him apart from the usual "pure-bloods" ?

Like the Malfoys, for instance. It cannot be disputed that they hail from aristocracy. And the Longbottoms, I think fell from high status.

To me, Harry is more socially equitable to the Weasly's. Pure-bloods, they too are, but not part of any "Noble" or "Ancient" house.

-chronodekar

 

[nuclear death frog]

There isn't much.

The Potters are:
- Pureblood, prior to Harry. If you count the chart Rowling did showing the recent tapestry entries for the Black family, a Black that conceivably could be Harry's paternal grandmother (Dorea) married a Potter (Charlus) and was not blasted off.

- Descended from Ignotus Peverell. Marvolo Gaunt thought Peverell ancestry was worth something. But the Peverells were a bloody long time ago.

- Formerly residents of Godric's Hollow, alongside the Dumbledore family, and iirc Hannah Abbott's family. But I don't think the ruined house there was all that large; it certainly wasn't a manor property.

- Not destitute. Harry's vault at the beginning of Stone is said to have "Mounds of gold coins. Columns of silver. Heaps of little bronze Knuts." But that was a vault that had literally not been withdrawn from in almost a decade, so far as we know -- and the Weasleys are a notably large family.

 

[Shadowseraph]

As far as I can recall, no. Its pulled directly from the fandom's ass along with a slew of other things.

 

[ilalthal]

In a lot of fanfiction, we read of Harry being part of "the most Noble house of Potter" and in some variants, "The Noble and Most Ancient House of Potter".

From any of the 7 BOOKS, is there any support for Harry's lineage as "Noble" ? :huh: The only one I can remember is Dobby telling him something along those lines, but considering that he's a house-elf, I think it's more boot-licking than anything else.

Has any wizard ever confirmed that Harry is part of a "Noble" or "Ancient" house? At least, something to set him apart from the usual "pure-bloods" ?

Like the Malfoys, for instance. It cannot be disputed that they hail from aristocracy. And the Longbottoms, I think fell from high status.

To me, Harry is more socially equitable to the Weasly's. Pure-bloods, they too are, but not part of any "Noble" or "Ancient" house.

-chronodekar

from what I have read most wizarding references to nobility seem to ba a result of wanting to call them selves somthing fancy after a few generations of wealth.

aristiocracy among wizards is a tad silly, theres no over all King or anyone like that to hand out titles theres no major distinction between the malfoys and the weaslys save wealth and personality

2ed year mr.weasly(closest you can get to peasnt wizard) got in a PUBLIC fight with malfoy sr. if malfoy sr. were a wizard noble he would have done somthing about it as brawling in public with a peasnt and letting him get away with it is about as unlikely as you can get. therefore if the malfoys were nobility there would have been major consecuences of this fight. if nothing else everyone would make a fuss about a noble lord fighting in the mud like a commoner

also this realy goes without saying but when a peasnt can kill the most powerful of noble lords with two words and a gesture it becomes rather hard to convince everyone that you should run everything instead of them

 

[whitewhiskey]

I think the only family I've actually seen referred to as Ancient and noble blah-blah is the Blacks.

 

[Knyght]

Wasn't it something they had stuck on a tapestry? It's probably just a self-claimed title.

 

[chronodekar]

B) So, it was as I suspected! The whole "Noble house of Potter" is just fanon.

A bit ... sad, if you think about it. For fanon to have screwed up such an important fact. <_< Then again, we are talking about a world where "breadwinner Nabiki" spawned up, so I guess, I'm not too surprised.

Still, your assurance is appreciated. Thanks guys! :mmm:

-chronodekar

 

[nuclear death frog]

Bad fanon spreads. That is what it is meant to do, and it does it well.

 

[Glimmervoid]

Fanon and not very British fanon at that. 'Noble houses' are just not a British thing. We ennobled individuals, not whole families as was common on the Continent. There was the landed gentry but that's something a bit different. I'd say 'noble' is more likely a claim to a nobility and purity of action ("of an exalted moral or mental character or excellence") rather than any claim to belong to a titled class. Why would wizards claim muggle titles, titles granted by a muggle Parliament, letters patent and a muggle queen?

 

[the DragonBard]

Fanon and not very British fanon at that. 'Noble houses' are just not a British thing. We ennobled individuals, not whole families as was common on the Continent. There was the landed gentry but that's something a bit different. I'd say 'noble' is more likely a claim to a nobility and purity of action ("of an exalted moral or mental character or excellence") rather than any claim to belong to a titled class. Why would wizards claim muggle titles, titles granted by a muggle Parliament, letters patent and a muggle queen?

The titles 'could' pre-date Parliament, and be so old no wizards or witches know or care where they came from.

Though I agree, Potters being a Noble House/Family/Clan is fanon.

 

[Pirazy]

Two words: Marriage contract.

 

[seitora]

Two words: Marriage contract.

In what context are you talking about, exactly? Shitty fanon or rather purebloods having marriage contracts?

 

[nuclear death frog]

Two words: Marriage contract.

In what context are you talking about, exactly? Shitty fanon or rather purebloods having marriage contracts?

Both, in that it seems like something that might plausibly be a custom among the rich purebloods but that there is no actual evidence it happens.

Also, whenever Harry is saddled with one it seems to always (or nearly) be with Daphne Greengrass -- a Character In Name Only (CINO).

 

[Hawk]

Two words: Marriage contract.

In what context are you talking about, exactly? Shitty fanon or rather purebloods having marriage contracts?

Both, in that it seems like something that might plausibly be a custom among the rich purebloods but that there is no actual evidence it happens.

Also, whenever Harry is saddled with one it seems to always (or nearly) be with Daphne Greengrass -- a Character In Name Only (CINO).

Daphne had any characterization in canon? That's news to me.

 

[Knyght]

Two words: Marriage contract.

In what context are you talking about, exactly? Shitty fanon or rather purebloods having marriage contracts?

Both, in that it seems like something that might plausibly be a custom among the rich purebloods but that there is no actual evidence it happens.

Also, whenever Harry is saddled with one it seems to always (or nearly) be with Daphne Greengrass -- a Character In Name Only (CINO).

Daphne had any characterization in canon? That's news to me.

No. She didn't. :sweat2: