Evangelion Oni-sama Kazoku

bluepencil

that's why it's trash can, not trash cannot
#1
I've been reading this new manga called Kamisama Kazoku, about a boy who is the son of gods and trying to live in the human world. It's all about hijinks about wacky parents and siblings, the expected tsundere-ish childhood friend, and the typical bland male lead. Shit, how many times do you people have to recycle the Tenchi formula, goddamit?! Well, at least it doesn't seem like he's attracting females for no readily apparent reason (at least, not yet anyway).

The thing is, as far as personality-less main characters leads go, this whole setting would actually -work - with Shinji Ikari in there as the protagonist. True, he's still boring and a loser, but we know that instead of a life spent doing nothing really worthwhile (like most of these 'ordinary high school student' leads do) the reader would start off with the knowledge that it's from deep-seated mental trauma. Gendo and Yui already act over-protective or indulgent in some of the AU manga, this is just ramping up how much they can affect things to boy's well-being. The thing is, given that humanity went Tang, there is also additional reinforcement for suspension of disbelief should anyone arbitrarily possess reality-warping powers. In Kamisama no Kazoku, the boy is to become a 'candidate for godhood'. Who judges their worthiness? What tests are there to define being responsible enough to possess such powers? Isn't there any regulating force to keep many gods around from abusing their powers to make 'miracles' as these people seem to do all the time? Transplant the setting into a Post-Impact Instrumentality and again it just -works-, with or without a background. Shinji's sheer blandness would actually turn out to be INTERESTING.

They could be preparing Shinji to accept his new role as humanity's new Adam with or without his knowledge of the fact. Asuka may be that tsundere-ish childhood friend or a competitor. Rei would be an awesome yandere either way.

There are a LOT of possible plot hooks from this setting, and damn they're all being thrown away for more stale and predictable school-life comedy. What about the problem of free will? What about the Antagonist, in that often they drive the plot more than the protagonist does? Why.... -anything-?!

Imagine what it would be like inside his head. He has clear memories that the world has died, and yet all around him is life and laughter. If he -fails- somehow it will never become real again. If it just involved an Evangelion, he could fight, but his task was different. He doesn't have to be a leader, he just has to be -normal-. A good, normal person. Had he ever really considered himself a good person? Life was full of pain, and he had condemned the entire human race into oblivion once before. How can he convince them all to come back?

This is like Haruhi Suzumiya in reverse. He -knows- he's supposed to live as vibrantly as possible, he knows the power that he should have, BUT for all encouragement he just has difficulty feeling anything. I wish there was more of this story, so I can subvert the hell out of it. There are other fanfics around that play around with this possibility, but only to the extent of pulling a harem scenario. Some drive an eldritch undercurrent past veneer of normal life. However, has anyone really considered what it would be like to try and FIX that psychological mess once it's done? Imagine the tremendous GUILT a boy, apparently just any other fifteen-year old high schooler, has to carry with him every single day. Worse yet, no one blames him, for no one remembers. This is a boy who once, for all intents and purposes, committed suicide- but it was the world that died instead. He knows now that hiding won't make it stop hurting. Only by making it -right- again could the pain diminish even a little.

But he's still socially a loser as he'd ever been. His good deeds backfire. Those who are trying to make him happy only mess things up even further.

Even without an obvious antagonist, there could still be tension as per the conflict of Man Against Self. As long as he feels he doesn't deserve to be happy, nothing will change. However, how could he possibly 'redeem' himself while being forced to live out a typical high school student's life with only so much time and opportunities to perform good deeds? Even then, assuming he manages to make other people happy, how could it possibly match up to the massive sin of letting Third Impact happen? He could try being a vigilante at night, but... oh, yeah, he's -scrawny-. A detective like say, Conan Edogawa? Oh, wait, he's no genius either. Those who know the 'real' him say it's perfectly fine to indulge his own desires and reach for his dreams with his own power, but... one) he doesn't really believe that it's -right- and B) what power? .

Strangely enough, he'd be happiest as butler or something. But no. Torturous matriculation for joo, Shinji-kun.


Hmm. In Shinji&WH40k, I've examined what it would be like to have living gods walking around the modern world. Here, there is the opportunity to examine the concept of powerlessness, as like in Paul in Corinthians "When I am weak, I am strong." But how to make it FUNNY? Ah.

Any suggestions?


While I'd like to write this, there are too many other things that need to be done first. Bpen has a sad. ~_~


I wonder what would happen if we substitute other bland harem targets with Shinji Ikari? Most of them are simply too damn oblivious, unable to why anyone would ever like them or incapable of choosing between girls. Shinji Ikari would be the same, but his own feelings of inferiority would lead to freaking the fuck out. Y'know what annoyed me about Skysaber's characters? That they would be pursued by hordes of women and yet run from them because they're just that chaste and pure and perfectly polite that way, the smug self-satisfied assholes fearing intimacy over the more mundane task of fighting supervillains. Within Shinji Ikari in those situations (how about, say, Rosario + Vampire) he has a perfectly legitimate reason to actually be -scared- of female contact. Hell, any human contact.


So... many... potential plotlines. Suggest a harem series and imagine how it would be like if he was the lead. The only real problem would be that Rei and Asuka would have to show up somewhere, somehow. They're linked inextricably, like some form of new trinity.

*Hey, are there any NGE/Fate Stay Night crossovers?




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Oh, there's an anime out of this. Hmm. Is it a bad sign that you've been in the fanfiction scene for too long if you end up buying seemingly crappy anime just for the sake of imagining how fanfiction could make it better? Really, really good stories can encourage (bad) fanfics while others make them unnecessary since the audience feels there's nothing more that can bee added or taken away. Flawed shows are fanfic fodder; as ref the glut of Naruto and Harry Potter fanfics. Before that had Buffy as the 'mainstream fanfic line', and Ranma pushed the fanfic boom in the younger Web, and before that Star Trek and Star Wars.
 

toraneko

Well-Known Member
#2
bluepencil said:
Is it a bad sign that you've been in the fanfiction scene for too long if you end up buying seemingly crappy anime just for the sake of imagining how fanfiction could make it better? Really, really good stories can encourage (bad) fanfics while others make them unnecessary since the audience feels there's nothing more that can bee added or taken away.
I've noticed this a lot. Stories that are too good can be discouraging to fanfiction, because a good author often won't want to mess with the goodness they saw in them.

Off the top of my head, I can think of only one Vandread fanfic that didn't suck horribly, and it's a lemon, with all the thinning of core elements that entails.

On the other hand, stories that were at least tolerable - with memorable characters or settings - yet failed to satisfy, are fertile ground for fanfics. Ranma 1/2, Sailor Moon, and Tenchi Muyo! failed to satisfy, and as a result, spawned a lot of fanfic, some of it quite good.

Shounen action, harem love comedy, and the like are genres that often have memorable characters or settings, but frequently fail to satisfy the audience in some capacity.
Potential authors wonder what might have happened if their hero(es) won that big fight instead of losing, or how it might be if a different girl won the competition for the lead male's heart.
 

AbyssalDaemon

Well-Known Member
#3
bluepencil said:
Imagine what it would be like inside his head. He has clear memories that the world has died, and yet all around him is life and laughter. If he -fails- somehow it will never become real again. If it just involved an Evangelion, he could fight, but his task was different. He doesn't have to be a leader, he just has to be -normal-. A good, normal person. Had he ever really considered himself a good person? Life was full of pain, and he had condemned the entire human race into oblivion once before. How can he convince them all to come back?

This is like Haruhi Suzumiya in reverse. He -knows- he's supposed to live as vibrantly as possible, he knows the power that he should have, BUT for all encouragement he just has difficulty feeling anything. I wish there was more of this story, so I can subvert the hell out of it. There are other fanfics around that play around with this possibility, but only to the extent of pulling a harem scenario. Some drive an eldritch undercurrent past veneer of normal life. However, has anyone really considered what it would be like to try and FIX that psychological mess once it's done? Imagine the tremendous GUILT a boy, apparently just any other fifteen-year old high schooler, has to carry with him every single day. Worse yet, no one blames him, for no one remembers. This is a boy who once, for all intents and purposes, committed suicide- but it was the world that died instead. He knows now that hiding won't make it stop hurting. Only by making it -right- again could the pain diminish even a little.
This I think is probably the most important part of the idea. Almost every story that I've seen post Third Impact seems seems to ignore just how badly fucked up in the head Shinji has become. Simply trying to keep him from either huddling in a corner somewhere or attempting murder would be hard enough but combine that with the need for him to deal with other people on any level much less give them a shred of trust would be a interesting story in itself.

As for antagonists, depending on how much power Shinji would have in said world, it's possible that his main enemy might be himself. Or least a manifestation of all the sheer depression, loathing, and madness that Shinji held by the end of the series that would probably be trying to either convince him that he made the right decision would choose what he did at Third Impact or brake Shinji completely so that it could cease to exist.
 

Belgarion213

Well-Known Member
#4
For some reason I see this sort of like the Alternative Lain from Serial Experiments Lain. Depending on Shiniji's power in this new reality a manifestation of everything that Shinji feels he is not, or possibly his darker impulses COMBINED with qualities that he does not believe himself to possesses could be quite interesting. I think it would be interesting if only instead of wild plots to murderise everybody or something this 'alternative Shinji' while having some effects on the world its real effect would be even MORE negative reinforcement on shinji in that it is LITERALLY the voice going on 'Oh sure you made a good impression at school but do you remember.....' and so on basically rubbing SHinji's face in the utter disaster that was his own life, basically 'remember when...this went wrong' or something. Or if he made say a friend at school rubbing his face in how his LAST Friends turned out (Toji, crushed by the Eva, Kaoru, dead by his hands etc)
 

bluepencil

that's why it's trash can, not trash cannot
#5
Aye. And if he gets depressed, he'd end up even looking even more pathetic because there is apparently NO reason whatsoever to feel bad. I'd like to have the 'make Shinji happy' comedic angle played up though since Eva is depressing enough on its own. I'm of the opinion that the best cure for such depression is action, make him too busy trying to -fix- things than to brood and remember. The past is past, no one can turn back time. What pain can compare to the sheer knowledge that in rejecting other people, instead there is only armageddon? There is also pain in loneliness.

Right, many Post-Impact stories do need to have some connection to their roots.

Or, as the the Beatle's song goes, take a bad song and make it better.

That such an upbeat melody (Hey Jude) was used for Kom Susser Tod is pure brilliance. Horrible, but total genius.

http://www.lyricsdownload.com/gainax-komm-...tod-lyrics.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCLoNOYcVQU

I wish that I could turn back time
cos now the guilt is all mine
can't live without
the trust from those you love
I know we can't forget the past
you can't forget love & pride
because of that, it's killing me inside

It all returns to nothing, it all comes
tumbling down. tumbling down.
tumbling down
It all returns to nothing, I just keep
letting me down, letting me down,
letting me down
In my heart of hearts
I know that I could never love again
I've lost everything
everything
everything that matters to me,
matters in this world
Hilarity ensues?
 
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