Harry Potter Perfect
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Amusing; I wouldn't pick any of those. Padma we know very little about; Parvati's an airhead; and I view Hermione much more as the SISTER that Harry never had over anything else. Certainly not romantic material.
Personally, though I fully believe Harry/Ginny has been planned since the beginning, I liked Luna and Tonks a lot more as characters.
Personally, though I fully believe Harry/Ginny has been planned since the beginning, I liked Luna and Tonks a lot more as characters.
Wow. A value judgement and an opinion, with an insult thrown in for good measure. Sweet. <_<
Perhaps you've forgotten, NDF, that the fanfic author is bound by canon only as far as they wish to be. There's very little that can't be changed if one starts early enough and subtly enough. There's little that could be as arbitrary and inspid as the tripe Rowling has published - and if one is going to write a harem, one might as well remain open to the various female characters that could fit.
Or, hell, one of the few female characters that has a personality.
Perhaps you've forgotten, NDF, that the fanfic author is bound by canon only as far as they wish to be. There's very little that can't be changed if one starts early enough and subtly enough. There's little that could be as arbitrary and inspid as the tripe Rowling has published - and if one is going to write a harem, one might as well remain open to the various female characters that could fit.
Or, hell, one of the few female characters that has a personality.
If you're going to call six books of writing (more than 3000 pages) "arbitrary and insipid" and throw out the whole series, why base your story in a series to begin with; when you're basically not even going to acknowledge it.
I haven't forgotten anything. I just don't delude myself that Harry/Hermione has even a flicker of canonical basis, not after six books worth of writing; not after all of the author's repeated comments for years, especially after the sixth book.
I don't like Harry/Ginny either -- but I don't call it "arbitrary". Many people's criticism of Harry/Ginny is based on their thought that it came out of nowhere; that Ginny suddenly became a focus of the series when previously she essentially hadn't existed. They forget that Harry is an extremely insular person who hardly even pays attention to the people of his year outside his own house; so much so that he didn't even know who Susan Bones was in Phoenix when he'd been having Herbology classes (at the least) with her for four years.
Ginny before Phoenix was a background character, but she was a background character who was at least viewed positively. Hermione is a foreground character very often viewed negatively.
And relationships work both ways. Even if Harry were interested in Hermione as something other than close friend, which canon amply shows that he isn't, it would require her interest as well, and he doesn't have it. He's never had it, not from the very beginning of Stone. The Harry/Hermione crowd denies that as loudly as they can because they simply have refused to see the truth that was right in front of their eyes. I can't think of nicer words to describe that than "foolish". Perhaps "blinkered", is that nicer? No, I don't believe so.
I haven't forgotten anything. I just don't delude myself that Harry/Hermione has even a flicker of canonical basis, not after six books worth of writing; not after all of the author's repeated comments for years, especially after the sixth book.
I don't like Harry/Ginny either -- but I don't call it "arbitrary". Many people's criticism of Harry/Ginny is based on their thought that it came out of nowhere; that Ginny suddenly became a focus of the series when previously she essentially hadn't existed. They forget that Harry is an extremely insular person who hardly even pays attention to the people of his year outside his own house; so much so that he didn't even know who Susan Bones was in Phoenix when he'd been having Herbology classes (at the least) with her for four years.
Ginny before Phoenix was a background character, but she was a background character who was at least viewed positively. Hermione is a foreground character very often viewed negatively.
And relationships work both ways. Even if Harry were interested in Hermione as something other than close friend, which canon amply shows that he isn't, it would require her interest as well, and he doesn't have it. He's never had it, not from the very beginning of Stone. The Harry/Hermione crowd denies that as loudly as they can because they simply have refused to see the truth that was right in front of their eyes. I can't think of nicer words to describe that than "foolish". Perhaps "blinkered", is that nicer? No, I don't believe so.
Your points on the books and the characters are logical and well thought-out - I honestly can't fault any of it. What I do find fault with is those last sentences - I don't give a damn about whether or not you're being nice. Polite would be fine, in my book, but nice isn't necessary.
For what it's worth, though, I would have preferred 'blinkered' over 'foolish' - the first tells us something about the group you're talking about, at least. The second just gives the impression that you're being petty because you have nothing better to bring to the party. And from what I've seen around TFF, that isn't the case. :huh.:
(Except when you're trolling the Naruto forum. <_< )
For what it's worth, though, I would have preferred 'blinkered' over 'foolish' - the first tells us something about the group you're talking about, at least. The second just gives the impression that you're being petty because you have nothing better to bring to the party. And from what I've seen around TFF, that isn't the case. :huh.:
(Except when you're trolling the Naruto forum. <_< )
Fair enough. I'll try to phrase things more judiciously. And I'll comment less on PTS Naruto. But just because I'm commenting less doesn't mean that PTS Naruto is well-written or well-planned, because in my opinion and in several other peoples' opinions, it is neither.
I've been in a mean mood lately.
I've been in a mean mood lately.
Actually when I read book one to four, I had the impression that it might end up with Harry and Hermione with the way the story was progressing, or that might just have been my wishful thinking. However that was totally thrown out of the window when Hermione was suddenly paired up with Ron (the insensitive idiotic jerk with a quidditch(sp?) fetish - the "good" guy version of Draco Malfroy IMO). Then in book six, I was like WTF? A nobody like Ginny came out from a passingly mentioned character to the leading girl.
Harry being insular is not surprising which is why I would have thought that it could have been Katie Bell or a girl from his year. It would not work with a girl outside his house unless he saw her playing quiditch or unless he became much more social.
This is something that I am critical of madam Rowling for in that she makes him so socially isolated that it completely limited the number of girls that he could have ended up with in canon. What makes it even worse is that there is no scenes to show any growth in his friendship with Ginny to make her being paired with him believable that Harry suddenly is very jealous of other guys with her.
As for the threesome how about him with Parvati, Padma, and Daphne Greengrass.(childhood aquantences) All of them in different houses would add something different to the relationship, plus what straight guy does not like the idea of hot twins.
This is something that I am critical of madam Rowling for in that she makes him so socially isolated that it completely limited the number of girls that he could have ended up with in canon. What makes it even worse is that there is no scenes to show any growth in his friendship with Ginny to make her being paired with him believable that Harry suddenly is very jealous of other guys with her.
As for the threesome how about him with Parvati, Padma, and Daphne Greengrass.(childhood aquantences) All of them in different houses would add something different to the relationship, plus what straight guy does not like the idea of hot twins.
*picks up all six books and begans to quickly scan through them...*
*makes notes on paper...*
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*yet more notes...*
*sets down books, begins studying notes, checking names...*
"Hmm..."
*more studying...*
"Life is study! Study study study-"
*shuts off Goldenboy and studies the notes*
"For my vote... Luna Lovegood, because girls not in touch with reality are good, Susan Bones, for the curves, and Katie Bell, because athletic girls are fine, too."
*makes notes on paper...*
*scans more...*
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*yet more notes...*
*sets down books, begins studying notes, checking names...*
"Hmm..."
*more studying...*
"Life is study! Study study study-"
*shuts off Goldenboy and studies the notes*
"For my vote... Luna Lovegood, because girls not in touch with reality are good, Susan Bones, for the curves, and Katie Bell, because athletic girls are fine, too."