Bleach Picking up the pieces

[daniel_gudman]

So I was thinking about how the Espada died, and I realized it's not clear whether Grimmy was actually dead. I mean he was taken down by Nnoitra, but Ichigo (and Orihime!) were right there, willing to heal him enough that he'd pull through, and the captain on the scene (Zaraki) would have like zero problems with that.

Okay. So. Grimjaw's, like, passed out. He walks up six or so hours after Ichigo left, and he's like, "where the fuck is everybody", and then he maybe looks around for a little bit, and then he realizes he's the only Espada left. And Ichigo took down Aizen, and both Gin and Tousen are out. There's literally no one even close to his power level left.

So Grimjaw is the King of Los Noches, because there's literally nobody else. He's the strongest.

What does he do?

Put yourself in his shoes. If you were Grimjaw, what would you do?

 

[~NGD OMEGA~]

List is Larger than that. Nel's a no show too, Harribel BETTER not have died from something that retarded, and I'd like to think Shunsui went light on Starrk (And/or his splitting the soul ability is useful for a way to escape death if necessary). But that's only because he was easily the most interesting of the bunch.

That said Orihime probably didn't heal him, we'd have seen it otherwise, though the damage he had was rather pathetic all in all. Granted enough that Kenpachi probably didn't kill him for want of a better fight, but still enough that living is valid.

Granted in regards to this idea and invalidating the others I want to survive, probably try raise an army again, get stronger, etc...

Plausibly he'd try to reach Segunda Etapa, or do that in getting stronger, hopefully into something with a wider color pallet. I'm damned sick of white (And subsequently black) at this point. Doing that is practically necessary to keep up with captains at this point, being frankly among the least impressive of the espada, bar #9 and Yammi obviously.

Edit: Actually assuming the captains aren't going to show up, yeah, he'd pretty much screw over all the humans unless they got MAJOR upgrades to say the least. None of them would do well against a CQC speedster. Course Urahara and Isshin would rape though.

 

[zeebee1]

Face it. He survived. The others didn't. If he wants a fight he's going to have to fin Nel. He'd lose, of course. But he's not going to be interested in getting an army or ruling. He's going to spend his time getting stronger. His only real hope for a good fight are the captains. And he needs more power to challenge them.

 

[~NGD OMEGA~]

He's probably alive. Nel's definitely alive. Harribel better be alive.

Starrk sadly is probably dead, but I hold out hope for the most interesting to live.

Ulquiorra's dead as dead can get and apparently Kubo's questioning his death due to popularity, which is all kinds of retarded, but whatever. >>

 

[Python453]

If I was Grimmjow, I would train. Train as hard as possible.

Because there's one thing I've wanted to do and have been unable to.

And that is killing Ichigo Kurosaki.

Of course, the sad reality is the Arrancar arc is over, and Grimmjow is most probably dead. If he isn't, he'll probably be coming back after the Fullbring arc or he'll never be seen again.

 

[daniel_gudman]

Yeah okay Grimjaw's like, "this time, Kurosaki, this time" and then, and then Ichigo is a Muggle because he used Mugetsu.

 

[Python453]

Yeah okay Grimjaw's like, "this time, Kurosaki, this time" and then, and then Ichigo is a Muggle because he used Mugetsu.

Why does the Harry Potter fandom keep getting thrown in my face for?

 

[daniel_gudman]

Yeah okay Grimjaw's like, "this time, Kurosaki, this time" and then, and then Ichigo is a Muggle because he used Mugetsu.

Why does the Harry Potter fandom keep getting thrown in my face for?

Well, I really like the word "muggle" to describe someone who can't use whatever the magic power of the fantasy series is, and it also says that they're a member of the broader society outside the masquerade. Plus, it's also kinda insulting, kinda bigoted against the non-lazor-wielding, in a way that "mundane" isn't.

It's not that I'm trying to pull Harry Potter in for some asinine crossover or whatever, it's just that JK Rawling coined a word to describe a kind of people, and I like that word, and all its connotations.

 

[Coelacanth]

Yeah okay Grimjaw's like, "this time, Kurosaki, this time" and then, and then Ichigo is a Muggle because he used Mugetsu.

Why does the Harry Potter fandom keep getting thrown in my face for?

Well, I really like the word "muggle" to describe someone who can't use whatever the magic power of the fantasy series is, and it also says that they're a member of the broader society outside the masquerade. Plus, it's also kinda insulting, kinda bigoted against the non-lazor-wielding, in a way that "mundane" isn't.

It's not that I'm trying to pull Harry Potter in for some asinine crossover or whatever, it's just that JK Rawling coined a word to describe a kind of people, and I like that word, and all its connotations.

Wouldn't he be a squib at this point though?

 

[daniel_gudman]

I think you're reaching a little deeper into the metaphor than it can perhaps support, but yeah, I suppose so.

Anyway the point is he wouldn't even be able to see Grimjaw, let alone get in a punching contest, and Grimjaw wouldn't be satisfied just straight-up murdering the kid, he wants to prove to himself that he's strong by winning that punching contest, ya know?

Maybe he'd pull out Ichigo's soul and forcibly awaken his spiritual powers again or something.

 

[Lord Raine]

Grimjaw is default King of Los Noches?

No, Ichigo would be, because he's the one who defeated the last King. It's a clear line of succession. First it was Baraggan, then he lost to Aizen, making Aizen the new King and Baraggan his servant. Then Aizen lost to Ichigo. To the Hollows, this makes Ichigo the King and Aizen his servant. Ichigo is the rightful King of Los Noches. He just doesn't know it. They're probably preparing things for his inevitable return to claim the throne.

 

[daniel_gudman]

...Mugetsu, remember?

Even if the Hollows (and Grimjaw specifically) are all, "Ichigo! Take the throne like you're supposed to! You broke it, you bought it!" There's still the problem that he can't see them.

 

[zeebee1]

He did say they're preparing for when he returns. Being long lived they can wait.

 

[Python453]

Grimjaw is default King of Los Noches?

No, Ichigo would be, because he's the one who defeated the last King. It's a clear line of succession. First it was Baraggan, then he lost to Aizen, making Aizen the new King and Baraggan his servant. Then Aizen lost to Ichigo. To the Hollows, this makes Ichigo the King and Aizen his servant. Ichigo is the rightful King of Los Noches. He just doesn't know it. They're probably preparing things for his inevitable return to claim the throne.

Ok, few things wrong with that.

1. Aizen didn't lose to Ichigo. If anything, Aizen won. Ichigo threw everything he had at Aizen, and what happened? Ichigo lost all his powers, and Aizen was the last man standing. Had it not been for the Hogyoku, Aizen would've killed Ichigo.

2. Even if Ichigo was the King, I don't think the Hollows would prepare for his return in the way you're thinking. They've already been repressed by one Shinigami, I dobut they would roll out a red carpet for the next one.

3. Even if the above two are utterly wrong, Ichigo would never accept the throne. The only reason he went to Hueco Mundo the first time was to save Orihime, I dobut he'd make a return visit, much less rule the place.

 

[Munch]

He's probably alive. Nel's definitely alive. Harribel better be alive.

Starrk sadly is probably dead, but I hold out hope for the most interesting to live.

Ulquiorra's dead as dead can get and apparently Kubo's questioning his death due to popularity, which is all kinds of retarded, but whatever. >>

Considering how UTTERLY BULLSHIT Ulquiorra's death was, I'm not too worried about a bullshit comeback - takes bullshit to counter bullshit, right?

Starrk... I can accept that he might've not survived, but it'd have been nice if he had. He was awesome.

 

[MonCappy]

Grimjaw is default King of Los Noches?

No, Ichigo would be, because he's the one who defeated the last King. It's a clear line of succession. First it was Baraggan, then he lost to Aizen, making Aizen the new King and Baraggan his servant. Then Aizen lost to Ichigo. To the Hollows, this makes Ichigo the King and Aizen his servant. Ichigo is the rightful King of Los Noches. He just doesn't know it. They're probably preparing things for his inevitable return to claim the throne.

That would be awesome. I can almost imagine the hollows upon Ichigo's return to Hueco Mundo for one reason or other bowing down to him and shouting "All Hail Ichgo! King of Las Noches"!

 

[DhampyrX2]

Grimjaw is default King of Los Noches?

No, Ichigo would be, because he's the one who defeated the last King. It's a clear line of succession. First it was Baraggan, then he lost to Aizen, making Aizen the new King and Baraggan his servant. Then Aizen lost to Ichigo. To the Hollows, this makes Ichigo the King and Aizen his servant. Ichigo is the rightful King of Los Noches. He just doesn't know it. They're probably preparing things for his inevitable return to claim the throne.

Ok, few things wrong with that.

1. Aizen didn't lose to Ichigo. If anything, Aizen won. Ichigo threw everything he had at Aizen, and what happened? Ichigo lost all his powers, and Aizen was the last man standing. Had it not been for the Hogyoku, Aizen would've killed Ichigo.

2. Even if Ichigo was the King, I don't think the Hollows would prepare for his return in the way you're thinking. They've already been repressed by one Shinigami, I dobut they would roll out a red carpet for the next one.

3. Even if the above two are utterly wrong, Ichigo would never accept the throne. The only reason he went to Hueco Mundo the first time was to save Orihime, I dobut he'd make a return visit, much less rule the place.

Aizen was taken away in chains. Given the opinions of people like Nel on Ichigo they would say he won. I can see the conflict for the Hollows in terms of not wanting another Aizen on the throne, but when you consider that Ichigo is much more like them in terms of preferring to fight it out they might not be as against Ichigo for King as you think. Especially when you consider that Ichigo developed his own Vizard powers indepedently of Aizen. Technically speaking, we've see Ichigo's inner hollow evolve into a Vasto Lorde. If anything that makes him far more qualified to rule Las Noches than Aizen ever was. Ichigo is at least naturally part hollow.

I will agree that Ichigo would want little to do with the throne if confronted with that fact, though. I could easily see him appointing Nel or even Grimmjaw as his regent to rule in his place in something similar to how Storm technically "ruled" the Morloks but Callisto was still in chage because Storm was not giving up being a X-man to live in a sewer and the Morloks refused to give up their life there.

 

[Python453]

Grimjaw is default King of Los Noches?

No, Ichigo would be, because he's the one who defeated the last King. It's a clear line of succession. First it was Baraggan, then he lost to Aizen, making Aizen the new King and Baraggan his servant. Then Aizen lost to Ichigo. To the Hollows, this makes Ichigo the King and Aizen his servant. Ichigo is the rightful King of Los Noches. He just doesn't know it. They're probably preparing things for his inevitable return to claim the throne.

Ok, few things wrong with that.

1. Aizen didn't lose to Ichigo. If anything, Aizen won. Ichigo threw everything he had at Aizen, and what happened? Ichigo lost all his powers, and Aizen was the last man standing. Had it not been for the Hogyoku, Aizen would've killed Ichigo.

2. Even if Ichigo was the King, I don't think the Hollows would prepare for his return in the way you're thinking. They've already been repressed by one Shinigami, I dobut they would roll out a red carpet for the next one.

3. Even if the above two are utterly wrong, Ichigo would never accept the throne. The only reason he went to Hueco Mundo the first time was to save Orihime, I dobut he'd make a return visit, much less rule the place.

Aizen was taken away in chains. Given the opinions of people like Nel on Ichigo they would say he won. I can see the conflict for the Hollows in terms of not wanting another Aizen on the throne, but when you consider that Ichigo is much more like them in terms of preferring to fight it out they might not be as against Ichigo for King as you think. Especially when you consider that Ichigo developed his own Vizard powers indepedently of Aizen. Technically speaking, we've see Ichigo's inner hollow evolve into a Vasto Lorde. If anything that makes him far more qualified to rule Las Noches than Aizen ever was. Ichigo is at least naturally part hollow.

I will agree that Ichigo would want little to do with the throne if confronted with that fact, though. I could easily see him appointing Nel or even Grimmjaw as his regent to rule in his place in something similar to how Storm technically "ruled" the Morloks but Callisto was still in chage because Storm was not giving up being a X-man to live in a sewer and the Morloks refused to give up their life there.

Which takes us back to the original question of this thread: what would Grimmjow do if he was King of Hueco Mundo?

 

[zeebee1]

Ichigo's hollow powers may have evolved, but his inner hollow has never changed.

 

[Python453]

Ichigo's hollow powers may have evolved, but his inner hollow has never changed.

Right and wrong. His inner hollow doesn't change drastically.

This is Ichigo's hollow pre fight with Ulquiorra:

Post fight with Ulquiorra:

There is a subtle difference, but not a major one.

 

[zeebee1]

That wasn't his inner hollow. That was Tensa Zangetsu wearing a hollow mask. The inner hollow has never shown the ability to take on a hollow form. He has always been a representation. And a mask is not an evolution.

 

[shakeval]

well maybe in the near future ichigo's inner hollow will be seen to take on a more 'hollow' like form, something that takes ques from both the vizard apperance and this double horned tassle-wrist look.

 

[seitora]

This topic makes me sad at being reminded that Kubo has apparently forgotten he never killed Grimmjow onscreen (and hence could still be alive) and completely forgot that Nel is still alive.

Of course, it would be awesome if they both came back and Ichigo had a threeway clash with them, but I'm dreaming.

 

[Python453]

This topic makes me sad at being reminded that Kubo has apparently forgotten he never killed Grimmjow onscreen (and hence could still be alive) and completely forgot that Nel is still alive.

Of course, it would be awesome if they both came back and Ichigo had a threeway clash with them, but I'm dreaming.

That's his most major clusterfuck of the whole Arrancar arc. Both Grimmjow and Nel had a major fanbase, and he didn't even give us the courtesy of knowing if they're dead or not.

 

[zeebee1]

If they have major fanbases in Japan then they'll be back. That's how he writes the series.