Ranma ½ Pops

exar

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#1
this is the first fic I've posted here. the rest of my work can be found at Larry F's Lost Library of Florestica or at FF.net. I'd appriciate any feedback you folks feel like giving me.

"Pops"

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a Ranma 1/2 FanFiction
by Ben Jernigan AKA Exar

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Ranma 1/2 is the creation of Rumiko Takahashi and is distributed in the US by VIZ. I claim no rights to these characters.

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Nabiki started the tape playing. She had gotten it from one of her factors, a girl in the schools jouranism club. Apparently, someone working for the school paper had interviewed Ranma, and she wanted to hear the goods.

The tape cracked a bit as if someone inexperienced with a microphone was handing one.

The interviewer's voice was muffled and indistinct. Presumably, they had their questions written down and didn't need to record them.

Ranma's voice came though clear.

"A lot of people who think they know all about my life ask me 'Ranma, why do you put up with all the things your father puts you through?'

The best answer is simple: I love the old bastard. No matter what he does, he's my father. I love him. Liking him is tricky at times, but love is constant.

Sometimes, I even respect him. Sure, he's sloppy and greedy, and thinks with his stomach more often than his head, but he's never been cruel to me for the sake of cruelty. It's always been incedental. And heck, I don't think so good when I'm hungry, either. But for a long time he was the only role model and friend I had. "

There is a pause on the tape, as the reporter asked an unheard question.

"He was a good one. He never let me slack off, never let me take the easy path, never let me relax my guard or lose my focus. His goal for me, which has become my goal for myself, is to be the best. And he would sacrifice anything in pursuit of that goal, even the trust and good feelings of his son.

Long ago, he sat me down and told be point-blank: Ranma, there will be many days ahead when you will hate me boy. There will be times when I will have to make choices not as your father, but as your sensei. Through it all, never forget that I love you boy, and I am doing this for the sake of the Art."

Another pause with muffled speech.

"The Art. Forget the bhudda, forget the kami. The Art was our god, and our temple was every dojo we passed through, every forest campsite we set and sparred in, every ancient training ground we tracked down. We lost ourselves in the worship of it, concentrating all our efforts on ceaseless improvement, endlessly striving to be the very best, to learn all there was to learn, and to trimuph over any odds laid against us.

Sure, he used bogus training practices sometimes, and he stole to feed us, but considering his training under Happosai, he didn't really know any better."

Apparently the reporter leaned forward, because at this point a female voice can be heard saying, "Why not?"

"We don't really talk about it much, but I know that Saotome was my Mother's name. Pops didn't have a name when they married. He was taken in as an orphan by the old freak. He was raised from a very early age to have no morals at all and to capitalize on the limitations of others. It was the stories told of Samurai and heroes of old where Genma first learned the concept of honor. Stories told by a foolish young runaway named Soun Tendo, who had taken up under Happosai to avoid an arranged marriage his parents were forcing him into. From these stories, Pops learned a better way, the path of the true martial artist, the path of honor. Over time, the stories and the ideas they represented gave the two the backbone they needed to free themselves from the old perv."

The reporter again said something the mic didn't catch.

"Yeah, the cat thing really sucked, but apart from the age thing, can you really say it's worse than any other training regimen around here? Ryoga got pounded with boulders to learn the Breaking Point. I had to stick my hands in Fire when they were super-sensitive to learn the Chestnuts Roasting on an Open fire attack. The Rising Dragon Ascension Wave involved Cologne hitting me a lot with that damn staff of hers. To get any kind of power, great effort and often, great pain is required. "

"So yeah, Pops is a pain and all, but he's MY pain. No one else gets to pound him. Excpet Ukyo, and that other girl, what's her name? oh, and Mom, and Akane once in a while, and I think Mr. Tendo has hit him a few times.... "

The recording fades out, and the tape stops. Nabiki smirked and made a few notes on her clipboard, then reached out and turned off the tape deck.

-END

i got tired of seeing so many Genma-bashing fics so I decided to put this together. I have a turbulent relationship with my father in real life, so it was pretty easy to get into Ranma's head here. Hope ya like it.
 

Grunt

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#2
Well I'll be damned. So I'm not the only one that eh :sweat: well let's say "likes" Genma.

Can't say anything about the grammar, I tend to ignore mistakes while reading, but I like the part about forget this and that, and concentrate on the art^^ Sounds like Ranma or at least to me it does.

Though some parts are a little eh well, you use some pretty flowery descriptions, yeah that sounds good, but I guess that's a matter of how you see Ranma.

Ah no matter, good work. I like it :D
 

TheWickerMan

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#3
This is something very, very different. I don't think I have ever seen a oneshot take this road.

Do you plan on doing one where Genma talks about Ranma?
 

Mighty Bob

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#4
It's short, and it seems to me you could simply have had the whole oneshot (or it seems to be a oneshot) be the interview itself, no need to involve Nabiki at all.

That being said, I like it. I enjoy a good bash fic myself (assuming it's skillfully done. Taking the characters and twisting them or their motives slightly is one thing. Just changing them to be outright parodies and idiots is another) but not too many people take time to try another point of view. Sure, Genma's actions lack a bit of forethought and common sense. But he doesn't seem that malicious (again I can enjoy fics like that, but in terms of cannon it just doesn't seem to be there)

Heck, of the two, I think his mother is the worse off of the parents. Of all the fics out there she's the one portrayed as the 'good guy' more often than not.
 

exar

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#5
some quick responses--- thanks for the feedback, btw.

good call, I need to work on my characterization a bit. Ranma is too wordy at times.

as for the interview, I originally wrote this as a monologue, but it didn't make a lot of sense that way, so I contrived a setting for it. i may flesh out the interview more later.

i hadn't really planned a Genma talking about Ranma fic, but it seems an interesting idea... I'll see what I come up with. thing is, I can't think of many situations that would get Genma to honestly talk about his son. mostly he either blusters about how good Ranma is or moans about his worthless son.

anyhoo, thanks again.

-exar out
 

Chi Vayne

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#6
I can agree that Genma gets more abuse than is probably warranted. He has invented entirely new techniques and must be a good enough sensei to make Ranma the martial artist he is. Also, Ranma may be socially immature but he is educated enough to be in the right class in school.
However, I think Ranma lets him off too lightly. You may be able to argue that the neko-ken wasn't any worse than some of the other martial arts training, but those other techinques were taught by someone who knew them, not just someone who read part of a training manual. I think it's reasonable to expect a sensei to have a full knowledge of a technique before teaching it.
And I am not sure Ranma can make a case that the multiple engagements (3 in the anime, 2 in the manga) wer based on the art.
 

cilrais

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#7
yeah I'm a fan of the very rare pro-Genma fics, there's a pretty nice Genma centered R/SM crossover fic still being updated occasionally on ff.net, I could try to find it later.
 

Mighty Bob

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#8
cilrais said:
yeah I'm a fan of the very rare pro-Genma fics, there's a pretty nice Genma centered R/SM crossover fic still being updated occasionally on ff.net, I could try to find it later.
Let us know when you do; it's cruel to just mention something interesting like that and not provide a link :eek:

If you need a reason for Genma to give his honest opinion/feelings about his son, you could perhaps have him being 'interrogated' by Nodoka about the child she missed raising. Or perhaps at some point (walking home after drinking too much or some such setting) Tendo could goad Genma into spilling his guts. Just a thought :huh.:
 

leeyiankun

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#10
A Ranma who is adept at conversing? One who doesn't stutter at the word C-A-T ?

Well, Maybe there's a good Genma after all.

Still this doesn't come close to excuse the 'Rice & Two pickles' deal,eh?
Not that trying to excuse the fat tub of lard off his responsibility helps.
Probably will ended up digging him deeper by the words.
:lol:

On the other hand, his techniques are superb. Too bad, he didn't even try to impart those knowledge on to his son w/o some event forcing him to do so.

Another 'Fail' for the lovable Panda.

And the final nail in the coffin for him is Ranma's canon expression when confronted with the knowledge of his mother.
'Huh? I have a mother?'

Oh, good lord. That just win him the lowest Father figure of the year award... Thrice.
:headbanger:

So it' probably take quite a miracle to excuse him of all the fails in his chubby life.
I wish you luck! ;)
 

Dubrichius

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#11
leeyiankun said:
A Ranma who is adept at conversing? One who doesn't stutter at the word C-A-T ?

Well, Maybe there's a good Genma after all.

Still this doesn't come close to excuse the 'Rice & Two pickles' deal,eh?
Not that trying to excuse the fat tub of lard off his responsibility helps.
Probably will ended up digging him deeper by the words.
:lol:

On the other hand, his techniques are superb. Too bad, he didn't even try to impart those knowledge on to his son w/o some event forcing him to do so.

Another 'Fail' for the lovable Panda.

And the final nail in the coffin for him is Ranma's canon expression when confronted with the knowledge of his mother.
'Huh? I have a mother?'

Oh, good lord. That just win him the lowest Father figure of the year award... Thrice.
:headbanger:

So it' probably take quite a miracle to excuse him of all the fails in his chubby life.
I wish you luck! ;)
Actually, Genma only receives second place, as the winner of the 'Worst Father Ever' award is still Gendo Ikari.
 
#12
One who doesn't stutter at the word C-A-T ?
Except when actually CONFRONTED with them, I can't remember a single time when Ranma couldn't coherently speak the word cat, at least not in the manga. And I hate the anime, so for purposes of canon discussions I don't count anything from it at all.


Still this doesn't come close to excuse the 'Rice & Two pickles' deal,eh?
Anime-only. Therefore non-canon. Period.


Not that trying to excuse the fat tub of lard
Genma is not fat. See the "Bust Battle" arc and others for manga-based proof.


Too bad, he didn't even try to impart those knowledge on to his son w/o some event forcing him to do so.
And in the case of the Saotome Forbidden Techniques, which is probably what you're referring to, that was because those techniques had already cost someone their life., and furthermore were never intended as fighting techniques in the first place. That, I think, is an excellent reason to avoid teaching those attacks.


And the final nail in the coffin for him is Ranma's canon expression when confronted with the knowledge of his mother.
'Huh? I have a mother?'
Not that Nodoka would win any prizes as a mother, herself.
 

leeyiankun

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#13
And in the case of the Saotome Forbidden Techniques, which is probably what you're referring to, that was because those techniques had already cost someone their life., and furthermore were never intended as fighting techniques in the first place. That, I think, is an excellent reason to avoid teaching those attacks.
Nope, I'm talking about the Aura thing that He, THE PANDA uses against Happosai in one episode.

That is Manga meterial, correct?

Not that costing someone's life is suppose to excuse him from hiding portions of the school from his son. If he really believes in his son's potential. He better believe that chances are, sooner or later. His son will stumble upon the foundation of those forbidden techniques himself. By that logic, it is better to teach and to stress the lethal aspect of it, then to hide the technique entirely.

You might not have seen this Manga series. But in 'Tough', Where the leading character is the heir to the most deadly fighting school of 'Nadashinkage'. The school already had one bad egg, 'Kiryu', who uses the art to Kill without mercy. Rather then withholding secrets from his son, 'Seko' teaches the entire school to his son, 'Kibo'.
All the while, stressing the importance of 'Not to kill'. To quote,'Killing someone, whether intentional or not. The killer's life is lead into a dark path for his entire life.'

Now that's a good father, if I see one. And indeed, Kibo faces many opponets. Most of them stronger and tougher than him. But while struggling to succeed, never did he turn to Killing techniques, nor did he uses it on them. He even invented 'Blunted' versions of the said techniques for this purpose.

'Tough' is written by Tetsuya Saruwatari, the famous author of 'Dog Soldier'.

Genma can excuse himself by ignorant, BUT that makes it worse.
Since his position is that of a Father and a Teacher, where ignorant equals stupidity.
Where as Genma can blame no one but himself for his failures.

And if you REALLY REALLY must excuse him.

I'll have to ask you to go and find the meaning of the word 'KUNG-FU' in the original chinese context. Genma practice Martial arts, and it is all about dicipline and enlightenment. Even if the school is created by Happosai, who isn't really the most glaring example of it. (A contradition on Takahashi-sensei's part.)


Not that Nodoka would win any prizes as a mother, herself.
I didn't like her that much, she's just another stand-up comedian that passes by. Her appearaces can be counted. Unlike Genma, who is a 'Regular'. His fault is inexcusable.

But let's not start a war on this issue.

My point is that I like the fic, I just think that it lacks conviction. And Ranma is too OOC for my taste. I don't really hate Genma even, Just that he doesn't deserve a shred of respect from anyone. And I'm surprised that someone actually stands up for him.
 
#14
Nope, I'm talking about the Aura thing that He, THE PANDA uses against Happosai in one episode.

That is Manga meterial, correct?
First, yes, that is in the manga. Volume six somewhere, as I recall. It's one of Happi's first appearances.

And second, that's not Genma's technique to teach. It's Happi's; Genma just figured out how to do it.

And I wouldn't consider it a particularly useful technique for Ranma; we see in the manga that it's extremely draining. Only someone with Happi's reserves or better can hold it for more than a few seconds.

Herb would love that technique, I suspect. He definitely goes in for intimidation and exerting dominance. Ranma? Not so much, unless severely torqued.


Not that costing someone's life is suppose to excuse him from hiding portions of the school from his son. If he really believes in his son's potential. He better believe that chances are, sooner or later. His son will stumble upon the foundation of those forbidden techniques himself. By that logic, it is better to teach and to stress the lethal aspect of it, then to hide the technique entirely.
Bolded for emphasis.

I don't agree. Had Ryuu Kumon's father never killed himself with the Yama, and instead managed to "rebuild" their dojo using it, it's entirely possible Ryuu and Ranma would never have encountered one another. And it was entirely chance that Nodoka didn't destroy the Umi scroll. Genma told her to get rid of it, after all.

Genma invented both schools, and if the scrolls are gone and he never uses the skills in his son's presence, the chances Ranma would figure the techniques out are...remote.

It would have been better if Genma had personally destroyed both scrolls himself, but I am near certain that he didn't realize how lethal the Yama *could* be until after the fact (after Kumon's father's death, that is).


I don't really hate Genma even, Just that he doesn't deserve a shred of respect from anyone. And I'm surprised that someone actually stands up for him.
Genma gets basically no respect from the fandom, which is undeserved.

Please note, I'm not excusing Genma entirely. The man has a list of faults a mile long.

But it's bloody obvious he cares a lot for Ranma. And I'm pretty fucking tired of seeing fics where he gets nothing but scorn.

Contrast this with my opinion on Nabiki. Most fanfic writers seem to have a pronounced softspot for her. I think this is based on a skewed view of the anime, personally. Manga Nabiki is a completely amoral bitch who cares about no one but herself and her dead mother.

The Nabiki in virtually all the pro-Nabiki fanfics simply can not be reconciled with the Nabiki of Takahashi's manga. It is impossible.
 

GenocideHeart

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#15
I'll only agree that Genma is a hell of a martial arts teacher. But as a father, he completely, utterly and spectacularly FAILED.

Genma failed to realize that before being a martial artist, one must be a human. In doing so, he basically made Ranma a very powerful fighter, but at the same time completely and totally INCAPABLE of having normal interactions with other people. And that includes being able to have a social or romantic life.

If he truly cared so much about Ranma, he'd have given some time to developing his interaction skills, but apparently all he wanted was someone who was both strong and predictable.

Make no mistake, Genma KNOWS the value of being able to interact with others. So why didn't he teach Ranma? The only reason I can think of is, to be able to more easily manipulate him.

People here don't give enough credit to Genma's selfishness, if anything. He's NOT a decent person. And he's NOT a good father. he's just a great martial, arts teacher. he fails at everything else, intentionally or not.

As for Nabiki, the main reason why she's so amoral is because she basically grew up on her own, since Soun was an UTTERLY USELESS HUSK OF A HUMAN BEING. Do we ever see him do anything besides lounging around all day, crying a lot and doting over Akane while basically ignoring his other daughters?

No wonder that Akane is a spoiled, maladjusted brat, while Nabiki is a bitch. Another failure of a father. If not for Kasumi, I suspect Nabiki would be even worse.
 

Moshulel

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#16
It would have been better if Genma had personally destroyed both scrolls himself, but I am near certain that he didn't realize how lethal the Yama *could* be until after the fact (after Kumon's father's death, that is).
I might be wrong, but i recall him not knowing about what happened to Kumon's father... besides since when was danger an impediment to Genma? Maybe danger to himself? Teaching those tehniques to Ranma would have made the boy get out of his grasp... Just keep in mind we're talking about the same person that taught the neko ken to a child.

No wonder that Akane is a spoiled, maladjusted brat, while Nabiki is a bitch. Another failure of a father. If not for Kasumi, I suspect Nabiki would be even worse.
Despite having Kasumi, who seems to have sacrificed herself for the good of the home, they still ended up like that. Seems they took quite a lot from their father. In my oppinion Nabiki is just a cold hearthed bitch, heck even Kuno could see her true colors and thats got to tell us something.

People here don't give enough credit to Genma's selfishness, if anything. He's NOT a decent person. And he's NOT a good father. he's just a great martial, arts teacher. he fails at everything else, intentionally or not.
True... i mean what father signes a seppuku contract like that? And furthermore he lies to Ranma about his mother, great isn't it?
 
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