Pre-New 52 Things That You Felt Puzzled About

byakuryuu

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#1
Before you post, let it be said this isn't about things that you actively HATE with full-blown reason, but rather, things that you think that DC made with their pre-52 verse that, for one reason or the other, was just plain puzzling for you to accept or things that you wondered of their comics. I've got quite a few things that I'm scratching my head about on DC's pre-52.

1. Nightwing and Barbara's Age Gap Getting Smaller and Smaller

I was always a Babs/Rich shipper from the get-go, especially since I dug through a few of my Uncle's old 70s and 80s collection of Batman Comics. They had this adorable young admirer and precocious crush dynamic that made people just go mushy, and as Dick Grayson became an adult, the 90s and early 2000s saw this relationship bloom... and we get told a few recaps on their little masochistic samba from the last 20 or so years of continuity.

Barbara was in her early 20s when she became Batgirl, while Dick Grayson was in his teens when they met. She was in her mid-20s when it was shown that she felt a mild case of attraction to him; DC has established that Dick had a titanic crush on the boot-kicking babe from the rooftops, and it was interesting to show the romantic development Dick had over the course of those years. So... it changed from Dick and Barbara having a 6-9 year age gap to somehow being the same age, and later, that Dick was older than her by about a year?

What's up with that? Why did DC need to facilitate this change? They're two heroes in love and because they're not the same age, they needed to make them? Weird and unnecessary.

2. Darkseid being merciful towards children

Yeah, no. NO. Darkseid is a being that unleashes righteous punishment even if he is mentioned in the same breath as kindness and morality. Bastard nukes his own son every other day of the week and commits planet-level genocide whenever he deems fit. Why did DC have to show that he had a soft spot for kids and protecting them from the harms of a child abuse ring? Standards of evil? Nope. He just likes kids, apparently.

I would have liked him to actually take the kids back to Apokolips and perform blasphemy-inducing levels of experimentation through Desaad to exploit human weakness or something, but nope. Darkseid does not like child abuse apparently.

Why in the world would someone write in that he doesn't condone child abuse when he's ordered thousands upon thousands of massacres that leave no survivors?
 

zeebee1

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#2
I'm pretty sure just having people on Apokolips counts as child abuse.
 

byakuryuu

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#3
It does, so why in the world did Darkseid suddenly go all noble and save kids from a child porn ring? As disgusting as I find kiddy snuff, it's just not the sort of thing he does, and I'll be damned if Darkseid, self-proclaimed Alpha and Omega of Evil and All That It Entails would take the time to hunt down that prick.

Captain Cold and the Rogues I can see doing that, as they have standards when it comes to villainy, but Darkseid? That shit's beneath him.
 

nick012000

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#4
byakuryuu said:
It does, so why in the world did Darkseid suddenly go all noble and save kids from a child porn ring? As disgusting as I find kiddy snuff, it's just not the sort of thing he does, and I'll be damned if Darkseid, self-proclaimed Alpha and Omega of Evil and All That It Entails would take the time to hunt down that prick.

Captain Cold and the Rogues I can see doing that, as they have standards when it comes to villainy, but Darkseid? That shit's beneath him.
He dislikes it because it's a waste of potential. Why break their spirits with pointless rape, when you can have Granny Goodness train them into utterly loyal supersoldiers? ;)
 

byakuryuu

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#5
nick012000 said:
byakuryuu said:
It does, so why in the world did Darkseid suddenly go all noble and save kids from a child porn ring? As disgusting as I find kiddy snuff, it's just not the sort of thing he does, and I'll be damned if Darkseid, self-proclaimed Alpha and Omega of Evil and All That It Entails would take the time to hunt down that prick.

Captain Cold and the Rogues I can see doing that, as they have standards when it comes to villainy, but Darkseid? That shit's beneath him.
He dislikes it because it's a waste of potential. Why break their spirits with pointless rape, when you can have Granny Goodness train them into utterly loyal supersoldiers? ;)
That makes more sense. So it's being pragmatic rather than seeking endless pleasure in disgusting and utterly irredeemable vices?

Still, kind of weird that he went out of his way to go through with it.
 

zeebee1

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#6
Maybe he doesn't like porn.

Darkseid: If you can't find someone to force into a sexual relationship by killing their family you're doing it wrong.
 

byakuryuu

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#7
zeebee1 said:
Maybe he doesn't like porn.

Darkseid: If you can't find someone to force into a sexual relationship by killing their family you're doing it wrong.
That... actually sounds like something he'd say to his legion.
 

zeebee1

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#8
That's the point. You can mass produce child soldiers all you want. But just because you work for him doesn't mean you're actually evil. To be one of his elite you have to put some actual effort into being grade A evil. Getting paid for sex, or being forced into having sex is just too easy.
 
#9
Killing off the Question to replace him with Renee Montoya. I never understood that. The Question got ridiculously popular after JLU. He was one of the fan favorites despite being a nobody. Instead of giving him a new series, DC higher ups went 'better replace him.'

No one liked Renee as Question. It wasn't even like people were being sexist or whatever because she was a lesbian. People loved Batwoman, so that excuse went out the door. It's just the Renee had nothing going for her.
 

goldenarms

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#10
zeebee1 said:
Maybe he doesn't like porn.

Darkseid: If you can't find someone to force into a sexual relationship by killing their family you're doing it wrong.
Actually, for whatever reason, Darkseid does, in fact, watch Earth porn -- it's <a href='http://www.cracked.com/article_17626_the-5-creepiest-sex-scenes-in-comics.html' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>how he came across the mind-controlled Big Barda and, as a courtesy, brought down a copy of the tape to Barda's hubby, Mr. Miracle.</a>
 

zeebee1

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#11
There's a difference between watching porn and being so pathetic you need to pay someone for sex. Darkseid has an army of females that will do anything for him.
 
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