Evangelion Psychic Children

Prince Charon

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#1
In the car, after Misato picked Shinji up in the first episode:

"Drive faster, please," said Shinji, bracing himself, "and don't stop until we're behind something substantial, they're going to drop an N2 mine on it pretty soon."

"What make you think that?" Misato asked, accelerating. Even if he was wrong, she liked driving fast.

"You really should have read my file," he replied, "instead of just skimming it."

"How the hell can you kn- wait, you're a psychic?" she asked him, driving behind a fairly large hill, and braking hard.

"I have a Psi Rating (General) of 98.6," he told her, with only a trace of pride. "That's the second highest in Japan, and the seventh highest in the world. Get ready, the bomb's about to drop."

After the explosion, she looked at him, questioningly.

"Its OK to move on," he said, "it'll take the entity a while to recover, and we need to get to Mo- the Evagelion, before it does."

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Misato isn't cleared to know that all the Pilots are psychic, but given that she knows Asuka is, suspects that Rei is, and now knows that Shinji is, she can reasonably be expected to figure out that its a requirement.

'Psi Rating (General)' is how skilled someone is, in general, with their psi powers, without accounting for specializations. Its also psychic strength, because for this version of psi, skill is power... well, as far as most people know. On a human scale, its true, but once you get into an Eva, you find that in fact, there is such a thing as psychic strength independent of skill, because the Evas boost the Pilots' powers, especially the physical powers, to the point where they can fight the Angels more effectively with those powers, than with most of the weapons they have available (the giant positron cannon Shinji used against [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Angels_in_Neon_Genesis_Evangelion#Ramiel' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Ramiel</a> in canon would still be necessary, though). Without his Eva, Shinji can telekinetically open a can of beer, with a little effort, and Asuka, who's tenth in the world (though she was eleventh, only eight months earlier), would have trouble doing even that. Think 'realistic' psi powers, outside of the Evas.

As you might have noticed from his slip, Shinji does know that his mother is in Unit 01, and is looking forward to seeing her, again. Likewise, this Asuka will be a bit more well-adjusted, though she's still driven and competitive.

Obviously, the scene in the Eva Cage before the fight with <a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Angels_in_Neon_Genesis_Evangelion#Sachiel' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Sachiel</a> will be different, as Shinji knows that Rei can't pilot, knows how big a jerk his father is, and isn't nearly so afraid of Unit 01.

So, thoughts?
 

Rabe

Well-Known Member
#2
Hmm thoughts O I know Nifty, MOar, ANd I like it!.
 
#3
Shinji: *Glares at Gendo for five minutes straight*

Gendo: *Ignores it*

Misato: Okay, I get that you hate your dad, but this is a little excessive.

Shinji: Arrrgh! It's not working!

Gendo: They're fire-proof.

Shinji: Damn.



:p

Pretty sure that if you put pyrokinesis on the list, Shinji would eventually try to set Gendo's pants on fire. Only to be anticipated by fire-proof pants.
 

FinalMax

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#4
I doubt that it will work at all. If anything, because I think it's been done (if only by every Eva knockoff within the past 13 years). It just seems like a contrived way to turn the pilots into Mary Sue-esque characters.
 

Akuma-sama

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#5
At first, I thought this was gonna be a ZKC/Eva crossover.
 

PCHeintz72

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#6
I like the idea but...

The critical issue with this is that for the series to work requires Gendo and others to be able to lie to and manipulate the children...

Here... that is impossible. They cannot be lied to unless the person doing so and none with the knoweldge is present.

It reminds me of a similar concept put out by Hawk a few years ago, where Shiji was a contact telepath from even before series start and hid it. But the instant he touches anyone with the knowledge of the scenario... it would be over.


BTW... any possibility of using the Psi Corps ranking system from Baylon 5 instead? It would likely make more sense.
 
#8
Or being an equally skilled psychic who can circumvent the Children's powers.
 

Whiteagle

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#9
Patrick_Gleason said:
Or being an equally skilled psychic who can circumvent the Children's powers.
...That too...

But I have a bad feeling about this...
The allure of the Star Wars allusions might be too strong...

You can't resist puns of that magnitude!
 

Prince Charon

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#10
If Rei is loyal to Gendo, she could shield his mind. Likewise, Gendo could be a psychic who specialized in shielding, or a mundane who's very good at confusing mind-readers (either of which is plausible, and in-character for Gendo).

OTOH, one of my thoughts was that Shinji wasn't reading Misato's mind, but rather using Generalised ESP to 'just know' stuff.
 

PCHeintz72

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#11
Prince Charon said:
If Rei is loyal to Gendo, she could shield his mind.? Likewise, Gendo could be a psychic who specialized in shielding, or a mundane who's very good at confusing mind-readers (either of which is plausible, and in-character for Gendo).

OTOH, one of my thoughts was that Shinji wasn't reading Misato's mind, but rather using Generalised ESP to 'just know' stuff.
My issue IMHO stands.

If Shinji is reading minds, as is seemingly implied to my way of interpreting that snippet, then there are a few issues...

1. Shinji could get the info from Ritsuko, Fuyutski, Gendo, or Rei... Likewise for Asuka.

2. Misato only has partial info, but even she kept critical knowledge from him at points. Section 2, my personal beliefs of canon competence aside, have to have some info as well, since they would get orders on their movements.

3. Another critical source of info... the evangelion systems itself, and even the Magi... Remember, semi organic brain with Naoko's personality grafted into it.

4. Shinji is described as one of the most powerful in the world, and 2nd most in the country. It would likely take a lot to block a determined Shinji.

Even if Rei is on Gendo's side, as in canon, and is ordered to block Shinji and Asuka... there is likely no way that the 5 critical sources can all be protected simultaniously, or all have blocking ability.

EDIT: Finally... if it is 'generalized ESP to 'know' stuff'... I would think it would be near impossible to block.
 

Belgarion213

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#12
If Psycics are a known phenomena there is the possibility of anti-psycic tech. While a determined Shinji MIGHT (in the eva) be able to get past it to get full open access to Gendo/Ritsuko/etc, the players hat NEED o keep stuff he would probably also burst their head open with the pure force of the Eva.

Also we dont know the difference in strength between Shinji who is like the second strongest in the country and random Joe in terms of mental strength.
 
#13
I keep my point. Make it there are other psychics on Gendo's side, or make himself one.

Also, there's a small difference between "reading thoughts" and "reading minds". If Shinji has the former, People just neeed mental discipline. If it's the later, it's way more difficult, and he couldn't get what he wants without deep concentration, and that would be suspicious.

The point of "anti-psychic technology" can be used, too.
 

Prince Charon

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#14
PCHeintz72 said:
EDIT: Finally... if it is 'generalized ESP to 'know' stuff'... I would think it would be near impossible to block.
True, that's why it was an 'On The Other Hand'. If Gendo can't hide information from the Children, and knows that he can't, but also knows that he has to use them, then he must get them on his side.

Also, the presence of other psychics, outright stated in the OP, is significant, especially if psychics can hide information from each other, even if they can only do it at long range.
 

SotF

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#15
Also, Shinji might have combat level precognition. It would help in a fight or card game, but for much more it's worthless.

Combat Precog is enough that you know what's about to happen and can react to it, but you aren't getting the long range visions that tends to pop up with most people of that sort.
 

Nikas_Zekeval

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#16
SotF said:
Also, Shinji might have combat level precognition. It would help in a fight or card game, but for much more it's worthless.

Combat Precog is enough that you know what's about to happen and can react to it, but you aren't getting the long range visions that tends to pop up with most people of that sort.
It also depends on the mechanism of the Combat Precog. If he is looking a few seconds into the future it could work that way.

OTOH it could work like martial arts 'killer intent', more a telempathic ability where Shinji is sensing the intent to strike, and translates to a feeling, sometimes detailed, of danger. He knew it was a N2 Mine because the 'holy shit' when it was authorized was multiple mental shouts. In combat he can sense someone is about to strike, and preemptively dodge.
 
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