Pumpin' iron

Hawk

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#1
Not getting much writing done these days, primarily due to having started training again, but also due to the fact that bike season is finally here and I just can't get enough of driving around on my motorcycle. :)

Anyways, back to the working out bit.

I was quite avidly into bodybuilding in my mid to late teens, but toned it down a bit when I started getting more work when I was around seventeen. Then around eighteen or so, I stopped completely as work started taking up more and more of my former spare time.

I didn't stop with my training diet for quite a bit however, as I kept telling myself that I'd get started with training again, like next week. And when next week came, I was going to start next week instead, and so on.

So I kept on eating a hearty breakfast, sandwhiches for my morning coffee break, a hearty lunch, sandwhiches for my afternoon coffee break, a hearty supper and then something to snack on later in the evening.

While doing nothing more physical then walking to my car, driving to work and walking from the car to the office in the morning and doing the same in revese in the evenings.

Meaning I bulked up in fat and lost the muscles I previously had.

Then about one and a half month ago, we got into a discussion about diets, training'n shit at work, as a bunch of the girls started going on various funky diets or weird-ass training methods to prepare for the summer and this years bikini season. As they were discussing starting eating some crappy freeze-dried meal supplimentaries, Atkins diets, GI methods and whatnot, I got all upset and started giving them a lecture on the proper way to loose weight through training, as each and every method they discussed seemed more dangerous then the next.

All of them probably have the result of them loosing weight, but whattafuck, from what I understand, these crappy methods and weird-ass meal replacements work through expelling fluids and/or will result in their bodies going into red alert, meaning that the body will extract energy by breaking down muscle mass while at the same time stocking up on fat! Geeze-louise, what a crock! Sure, that will cause a significant weight loss, but at what cost? Increasing body fat and/or loosing muscle mass, that's what!

Apparently my little lecture caused quite a bit of surprise, as nobody present believed that I knew anything at all about shit like this. Surprised me as well, to tell the truth. When I got back home, I started to think about my former glory and the good old days when my body was in tip-top shape.

While I do work a lot now, it's nowhere near how it was ten years ago, with my 7-8 to 21-22 days, five to six days a week. While I often complain about how little spare time I have, these days I actually have some spare time, even if it's not quite as much as I would like.

So I had a look at myself in the mirror and compared to an old photograph of myself and realized that this wasn't what I imagined myself looking like at 28, so I decided to do something about it to change things before I turn 30 still looking like this.

Decision made, I started spending more attention to what and when I eat, increased my meals from three to four a day and got some new excersise equipment, after deciding what I wanted to acomplish with my training.

After some consideration, I decided that unlike the girls at work, I wasn't really interested in loosing weight. I'm quite happy with my current weight, but really displeased with the current distribution of weight. Too much fat, too little muscle.

So, I drew up a training program consisting mainly of shit designed to build muscle mass, with the odd session of swimming or a session on the exercise bike for variety. But 85-90% of my workouts, are still geared more towards building muscle, rather then loosing fat.

I'm a bit rusty at all of this and my know-how is nearly ten years out of date, but I figure that I've gone onto a program that will have me in great shape just about in time for Beach 2009, while still maintaining nearly all of my current weight. I estimate that a ten to fifteen kilogram drop or so is unavoidable, seeing how much unnecessary weight I'm currently waddling around with, but I can deal with that.

When I stopped training last time, I hovered near the magical 100 kg limit and there wasn't much of that weight that was unnecessary fat. These days, I weigh in at 120,3 kilograms and most of it is unnecessary fat. :) Or well, I did when I started training again, at any rate.

Stepped onto a scale for the first time in two weeks yesterday and I was at 116,4 kilograms, which kinda soured things up for me. My estimations had me at a predicted 118,5, so I'm loosing more weight then expected. Not really a problem yet and I guess I can deal with a bit of weight loss to begin with, but if it keeps on, I'll have to increase my food intake a bit as it's easier to drop the wrong kind of weight then it is to build the right kind.

Anyways, my tip of the unspecified time period when it comes to training is:
If you're aiming to loose weight, make sure that you choose a method that will cause you to loose the right kind of weight! What the fuck good is it if you drop five K's, if that is because you've dropped seven K's in muscle mass and gained two K's of fat!
 

Hawk

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#2
Urgh, I've been reminded all day of just why I haven't incorporated running into my training schedule before now. I probably wouldn't have now either, if it wasn't for the fact that this and the next week, there's a bit of a jogging competition going on that my company's health club is involved in.

The goal is for everybody involved in this event to jog enough distance that jointly, we'll have covered enough ground to get us around the globe. A goal with seems rather silly, as we've lapped the earth quite a few laps during the last 3-4 years.

As a dutiful member of said health club, I decided to do my part and participate this year too. So for these two weeks, I've cut down on the weight lifting and muscle building stuff and replaced that with jogging.

Yesterday, I did 15 kilometers. Ten of which was with a 0,5 kilogram weight on each ankle. I use these things everyday to keep up the burn when I'm at work or just goofing off, though then I have 2 kilograms on each foot and if I have the oportunity to use my arms, I put 2 kilograms on each wrist as well.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, so all that's missing is the green jumpsuit, huge eyebrows and a nasty bowl cut and I could start calling myself the Beautiful Black Beast of Bittinge or something, so sue me. :)

Anyways, although I usually walk around with four times the amount of weight and I might come pretty darn close to walking 10 kilometers a day, it's not exactly all in one go. So I figured that it was time to whip out the old light weights I started out with before I gradually moved up to 2kg's.

A wise decision, in retrospect. An even wiser one, would have been to only do five kilometers with the weights or perhaps only do the ten with the weights and not the extra five. Because waking up this morning and starting to move my legs in order to get out of bed, my thighs and hips instantly let me know that they existed and they were severely displeased with my treatment of them yesterday.

All day, I've been going around letting out little 'Ow!' and 'Aouch!':es whenever I move away from the couch or computer chair to do something.

Things got a little better later in the afternoon, although my hips were still protesting a bit at the time, so I sodded off and did another five kilometers today. Bad move, now the thighs are complaining again and the hips feel just as bad as they did this morning.

I'm a horrible stubborn bastard when I want to be however, so most likely I'll do another couple of kilometers tomorrow in spite of however my thighs and hips feel.

And the day after that and the day after and so on.

But I can hardly wait until these two weeks are over and I can get back to pumping iron instead. :)

Still losing a bit more weight then expected and I guess these two weeks won't help any, despite having increased my food intake since my last post on this subject. I'm now down to 112,9 kilograms, which is nearly 2,5 kilograms less then my estimates.

So when these two weeks are over and I get back to pumping iron, I think I'm going to start gulping down protein shakes between meals.

I had wanted to avoid any sort of dietary supplimentaries and eating various pills, but I guess it's time to go for some supplimentary protein and some Dihydroxyflavone to maintain, or at least slow down the loss of, weight.

My female friends all think I'm crazy, btw. Complaining about losing too much weight is something they just can't seem to relate to. The only female in my circle of friends, associates and people-i-just-barely-know-but-hang-out-with-from-time-to-time that can relate, is the semi-professional body-builder girlfriend of a mate at work. She's the only one who seems to understand why I'm not jumping with joy over losing so much weight.

The silly sods at work, who started with their ridiculous diets before the summer in spite of my well-meaning advice, have gotten nearly ridiculously interested in my methods however. They did their silly meal replacement diets and in one case, only eating bananas and vitamins for two friggin' weeks ( :huh!: ) and sure, they lost weight.

Only two have managed to keep that weight lost however, the rest have rediscovered it and in three cases, gained back even more then they lost.

I wasn't gloating at all when they told me, no siree! ... ... ... Okay, so the words "I told you so! Nyah-nyah-nyah!", *may* have escaped my lips once or twice during the course of that conversation... *evil grin*

Anyways, three of them have now starting working out more seriously and the rest at least seem willing to consider it.

My tip of the unspecified time period when it comes to training is:
Few reps, lots of weight, to build huge muscles.
Many reps, little weight, to build lean muscles.

- Niklas "Hawk" Jonsson, improving world health one step at a time
 

runestar

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#3
This reminds me of how lax I have been in trying to keep fit ever since I came out of the army. -_-
 

Legacy|iB

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#4
...I really need to start exercising...

I'm just a minor step up from a skeleton - mostly skin and bone with no muscle or fat. For once, I suppose I can blame my sheer reliance on my computer for doing...something to me, namely sapping away at my motivation to better myself physically. I was trying to do a daily routine of weights and such, only to find after the first week and a half to have no motivation to do anymore.

...gah...I reek of laziness...
 

Mighty Bob

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#5
Gah, you had to post this...just another reminder I need to get off my own ass and start going back to the gym. Used to go 6 or 7 days a week with my brother and best friend, then our schedules all got outta synch ( I start my day at 2 in the morning, friend starts at 6 and my brother around 9ish) I'm a horrible self-motivator and with nobody to go with I've pretty much stopped going. Back up to 240 lbs (though at 6'3" with a heavy body frame it doesn't show much) and I'd be surprised if I can lift half of what I could before.

Heh, my brother (who still goes to the gym religously) has the problem of loosing too much weight too fast. Eats 6 or 7 times a day and if he eats even one less meal the next day he's like 8 or 10 pounds lighter. As for me, my metabolism is almost non-existant no matter how I change my eating schedule or exercise. Most annoying.

Suppose I should say thanks for yet another kick in the pants to get back; and wish you luck with your own training.
 

Hawk

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#6
Heh, well I'm 6:ish and... Eh... Feels like a long time since I last did math without a calculator. :) Uhm... Somewhere around 246-248, unless I've completely forgotten the conversion ratio. Still have the broad shoulders from working out a deccade ago, but all those extra pounds of fat do show on me, so it's about time that I got started again.

I'm horrible at self-motivation too, I'm constantly thinking along the lines of "Hey, it's been ten years, what's another ten?" or "This hour could be so much better spent lazying around on the couch with a good book!". Fortunately, I'm more stubborn then a whole pen full of pigs, so even if motivation for training is less then zero, I'll still go ahead and do it, because I'm too stubborn to quit before finishing something.

Too bad it doesn't work the same for my fics. :) It'd be great if I had a similar ability to focus there, so I could finish a few more of them, instead of hopping from fic to fic, writing a bit here, a bit there and a little bit there.
 

Israfel

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#7
Heh, yah I'd say I'm about the same as Legacy, I don't have much muscle besides on my legs because I run quite a lot, but beyond that it's mostly skin and bones. Hopefully that should change soon as I'm starting up a weight training course soon. But my daily schedule pretty much consists of wake up at 5 A.M. get ready, back to the grind for the day, come home, sit on my PC and get on the board/play videogames/watch anime/watch movies, all of which I do form the comfort of my computer chair because I've got everythign perfectly positioned so that the only time I need to leave my seat is to get food and go the bathroom, and I'm working on fixing those. But my metabolism is pretty fast, fast enough that I don't need to worry about what I eat or how much I exercise as I never gain a pound regardless of what I do, so I can sit all day long and not have to worry about being fat. Odlly enough, because of my screwy metabolism, I sometimes go for days at time without eating due to lack of hunger, it doesn't seem to have any real detrimental effects so I'm not really worried. But my physiology is all ready so out of whack that it's not like it matters anyway.
 

Mighty Bob

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#8
At the very least I've started doing time on the treadmill again. Hoping to get back to actually lifting weight again starting monday ( I hate going on the weekend, always so crowded; and I don't care to start in the middle of the week. I like keeping a certain routine) I can lift weight all day long and not sweat a drop, but get me on a treadmill and I'm a frickin river. Bleh. At the least I'm spending good time finally using my PSP for something other than movies and music ^_^ Now if only they'd release more quality games for the damned thing.

Your conversion seems about right Hawk. Converting Standard to metric isn't really my thing either ( I still don't understand why the States doesn't just switch to metric like the rest of the world. I mean, even the British don't use Imperial Standard anymore and they invented the system!) It just seems like a huge weight gain to me because at my best I got down to 220 pounds and more of it was muscle than fat. Now I'm back up to about 240~248 (it fluctates a bit day to day) and it seems to be 50-50 at this point for fat- muscle. Could be worse though; before I even started going to the gym I was at 294 and it was almost all fat. Switching from something like 6 litres of soda a day to drinking mostly water helped a whole lot with that.
 

Israfel

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#9
( I still don't understand why the States doesn't just switch to metric like the rest of the world. I mean, even the British don't use Imperial Standard anymore and they invented the system!)
The U.S. tried to at one point a few decades ago, but, well, let's just say it didn't go over very well. Americans have the need to feel different (read as 'superior') to everyone else in the world and thus it goes with their modus operandi that they would feel the need to have their own seperate special system, even if it is much harder and more confusing than the metric system. :sweat:
 

toraneko

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#10
Israfel said:
Americans have the need to feel different (read as 'superior') to everyone else in the world and thus it goes with their modus operandi that they would feel the need to have their own seperate special system, even if it is much harder and more confusing than the metric system. :sweat:
I'll have you know that my sense of superiority has nothing to do with my country of origin. ;)

In any case, I never even felt the slightest bit of hostility toward metric. I mean, a measurement system based on decimal numeric progression is much simpler than the clunky measurement bases of the Imperial Standard system. In fact, it's the common measurement used in science-related classes from middle school onward.

The way I see it, the main reason the IS is still used is because it's become so entrenched in our daily lives. Our road signs are marked in miles, we're used to hearing "yards" used in football (American football, to you across-the-ponders), people's measurements are given in inches and pounds, and even our idioms ("won't give an inch", "missed by a mile", "must weigh a hundred pounds!", etc.) use it.
Basically, we adapted to thinking in IS, and it's hard to switch from that.

Ah, well. At least there are some of us willing to either learn how to convert IS to metric, or simply look it up.
 

raedric

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#11
6'3, 232 lbs. I do not know the metric conversion rate, sadly. I do work out a lot, but no weights. Too poor for a gym, so all push-ups, sit-ups, running, those kind of things. Basically I do swimmer work-outs, as I learned most of them when I was on the swim team. A little extra body fat, nothing too bad. Enough to make me angry at myself. I have been lax the last few months, and at eighteen I have no excuse.

I may end up stealing Hawk's schedule >:]

Last I stepped on a metric scale it place me at 108 kg. What is that transferred to?
 

runestar

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#12
Last I stepped on a metric scale it place me at 108 kg. What is that transferred to?
The grossly overweight type, the kind of people heart bypass was invented for... :ph43r: Unless you happen to be extremely buff like those bodybuilders... :blink:
 
#13
Eh, I need to get into a fat-burning workout. I'm currently 5ft. 9.5in. tall and 227 lbs (dunno the conversion to Kg). Yes, ladies and gents... short and fat. HOWEVER, I do have a good bit of muscle definition in my arms and legs. The real problem is my gut and my man boobies. I want to build more muscle, but I just found out yesterday that I may have torn cartilege in my right knee. Hence, all leg pressing exercises (Squat, Leg Press in general) and running is just about out of the question unless the anti-inflammatories work. I'm thinking of going low weights at a lot of reps to tone my ass out and improve my cardio fitness. Think that'll help?
 

Hawk

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#14
With leg injuries, water is your friend.

Swimming is an excellent form of exercise, takes some of the load off 'em, but still allows you to work them.

It's also a good way to work on the man-boobs.

Low weight, lots of reps is generally a good idea for giving a nice muscle tone. If it'll work or not, depends on what sort of exercises you do, how often, what you eat'n stuff, I guess.


My own schedule has been completely messed upp by this flonqing three-week cold and sodding off to visit the folks, my sister and my relatives this weekend. I love my family to bits, I truly do, but the food is fattening enough to clog up just about any artery in the blink of an eye. I must have gained 2-3 kg's over the weekend.

But it was sooooo damned good, that I guess it's worth it. :)
 

toraneko

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#15
I've found using an elliptical treadmill works wonders. I have knee problems myself (arthritis at a young age! argh!) and it's very low-impact, even at high speeds and high resistance.

Using a fat-burning workout routine (i.e. slow speeds, long exercise time, keeping within a 60-65% target heart rate) is easy on those, does work, and does not strain the joints at all. It will make you sweat buckets, though - even when you're only going 2 to 3 mph (a slow stroll) - so bring water with you.

The better places have TVs nearby, and the machines are virtually noiseless. Failing that, just bring a CD player or MP3 player/iPod and some tunes you can listen to for awhile. Sadly, reading is not an option, as the exercise requires the use of your arms.

Also, I must second the swimming suggestion. Just remember two things:
1) Wear waterproof sunscreen. Seriously. Even on cloudy or overcast days, it's easy to get sunburned - moreso for fair-skinned folks like me.
2) Stay hydrated. You still lose body water when swimming. Worse, due to the water in the air around the pool/lake/whatever, you may not feel thirsty even when you really need water. Even moreso if you swim in salt water areas - the salt leeches the H20 right out of you.
 

Lumias

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#16
toraneko said:
I've found using an elliptical treadmill works wonders. I have knee problems myself (arthritis at a young age! argh!) and it's very low-impact, even at high speeds and high resistance.

Using a fat-burning workout routine (i.e. slow speeds, long exercise time, keeping within a 60-65% target heart rate) is easy on those, does work, and does not strain the joints at all. It will make you sweat buckets, though - even when you're only going 2 to 3 mph (a slow stroll) - so bring water with you.

The better places have TVs nearby, and the machines are virtually noiseless. Failing that, just bring a CD player or MP3 player/iPod and some tunes you can listen to for awhile. Sadly, reading is not an option, as the exercise requires the use of your arms.

Also, I must second the swimming suggestion. Just remember two things:
1) Wear waterproof sunscreen. Seriously. Even on cloudy or overcast days, it's easy to get sunburned - moreso for fair-skinned folks like me.
2) Stay hydrated. You still lose body water when swimming. Worse, due to the water in the air around the pool/lake/whatever, you may not feel thirsty even when you really need water. Even moreso if you swim in salt water areas - the salt leeches the H20 right out of you.
I thought swiming would be better for staying Hydrated, I mean your not sweating, so less should be leaving the body. But after you said it, it made me think areas with moisture attract more moisture, so the water draws it out of you?
 

EagleCeres

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#17
raedric said:
Last I stepped on a metric scale it place me at 108 kg. What is that transferred to?
easy math
2.2 lbs = 1 kg or 1 lbs = 0.454 kg

making you about 238lbs (give or take 0.5 lbs)

tho i think i should also start doing more excersise...
im in the ballpark of 110 kgs -_-
 

toraneko

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#18
Lumias said:
I thought swiming would be better for staying Hydrated, I mean your not sweating, so less should be leaving the body. But after you said it, it made me think areas with moisture attract more moisture, so the water draws it out of you?
Yep. Osmotic pressure - your body is a pressurized bag of water, the pool is a non-pressurized tub of water, and your skin is a porous membrane. The pressures between the two slowly equalize. That's why your skin wrinkles when you stay in too long - your water table is being depressurized, so the skin is loose at the fatty tissues.

On the plus side, it affects the fatty parts first, so it's a good way to lose water weight. On the minus, you'll still have to drink more water than normal to compensate for the water your essential systems are losing.
 
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