I know, but that wasn't my point. What I meant was that if Ranma did fight hand-to-hand like he usually tends to do, he'd never be able to hurt Luffy because Luffy's rubber body if immune to blunt force (except during Rule of Funny moments, like when Nami beats him up). Ranma could Chestnut Punch him 5,000 times and it wouldn't have any effect at all, so he would pretty much have to have a weapon of some kind just to give himself a chance.
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I don't know who Luffy is but Ranma can do/should be able to do piercing and cutting techniques. Ranma goes to pretty extremes on occasion to avoid seriously hurting his opponents (hell he saved several of them like Herb preventing them from getting seriously hurt) but Ranma has seen a lot of those types of techniques such as Ryoga's belt or bandannas, Kuno's pressure waves, Ryu's and his dad's Vacuum blades, Kiima's feathers, Herb's ki blades, Konatsu's cutting paper storm, etc. Given what we have seen Ranma do (like learn the Umisenken after seeing it only once or altering techniques mid-battle like the Hiryu Shoten Ha that froze and sliced up Saffron) he should be able to do several of those types of techniques were he actually trying to seriously hurt his opponent (which the only opponent he ever tried to actually seriously hurt was Saffron and that was after he ran out of other options). The thing is Ranma rarely takes the battles he is in seriously (for example he was ignoring Kuno to look at the pictures or how he was arguing with Akane during almost the entire first battle versus Ryoga) and doesn't want to really hurt his opponents which is why we see his opponents who do want to hurt him or at least find that as acceptable using slicing techniques and Ranma not using them.
Most of his battles aren't even to beat the opponent so much as to beat them at their style or beat their technique (Hinako he could have just knocked out whenever he wanted rather than try to beat her technique, martial arts cheerleading limited himself to the styles rules trying to beat her at her own game, etc.) Even against Saffron he didn't get serious until he was running out of options (at which point he went for maiming rather than killing since he could have cut off Saffron's head rather than his wing). We've even seen Ranma use slicing techniques just not against people (other than Saffron) he cut out a perfect circle at Ryoga's house, he casually sliced through a rope that the principal was on, etc. that isn't even counting the Nekoken which casually cuts through basically anything.
A Ranma who is in a situation in which he views killing or maiming his opponent is an acceptable outcome (very rarely) fights a lot different than a Ranma who's goal is to defeat a technique or style. Also given or finding knowledge of an opponent he will use that knowledge against them (he'll use a reaction to breasts, a curse against an opponent, or basically anything he finds to use against them finding mind altering drugs -like suggestion incense, ambush, magic items, blackmail, etc. as acceptable) or prepare by bringing weapons or armor with him (like how he had brought them to fights in which he had time to prepare such as using iron pans to block/deflect the Ashura's attacks).
Most of his battles aren't even to beat the opponent so much as to beat them at their style or beat their technique (Hinako he could have just knocked out whenever he wanted rather than try to beat her technique, martial arts cheerleading limited himself to the styles rules trying to beat her at her own game, etc.) Even against Saffron he didn't get serious until he was running out of options (at which point he went for maiming rather than killing since he could have cut off Saffron's head rather than his wing). We've even seen Ranma use slicing techniques just not against people (other than Saffron) he cut out a perfect circle at Ryoga's house, he casually sliced through a rope that the principal was on, etc. that isn't even counting the Nekoken which casually cuts through basically anything.
A Ranma who is in a situation in which he views killing or maiming his opponent is an acceptable outcome (very rarely) fights a lot different than a Ranma who's goal is to defeat a technique or style. Also given or finding knowledge of an opponent he will use that knowledge against them (he'll use a reaction to breasts, a curse against an opponent, or basically anything he finds to use against them finding mind altering drugs -like suggestion incense, ambush, magic items, blackmail, etc. as acceptable) or prepare by bringing weapons or armor with him (like how he had brought them to fights in which he had time to prepare such as using iron pans to block/deflect the Ashura's attacks).
Luffy's the lead character in One Piece, a shounen series that's several levels above Ranma 1/2 in power levels. Luffy in particular is an elastic person who (as far as I read before giving it up) can take just about any number of impacts and would have to be cut to be hurt.
Could Ranma use a cutting technique? He can't use Kiima's since it involves her wings. He can't use Herb's since he isn't part dragon and seems to lack Herb's special resources. The Yamasenken's probably out since he sealed that technique (and never used Umisenken after that). He could use Ryoga's belt and bandannas since they aren't techniques but weapons. Hard to say about Kuno's techniques.
If the stakes were high enough he might decide to use a cutting weapon on Luffy and risk a fatality*. Even so I'd just bet on Luffy due to power levels. One Piece isn't on DBZ levels but I'd put it potentially around Naruto.
*Fanon is also way off on him and killing. I can't remember a single instance where he showed any great reverence for life or any guilt over temporarily killing Saffron. In nearly all of his fights he hasn't gone that far but usually the stakes aren't that high.
Could Ranma use a cutting technique? He can't use Kiima's since it involves her wings. He can't use Herb's since he isn't part dragon and seems to lack Herb's special resources. The Yamasenken's probably out since he sealed that technique (and never used Umisenken after that). He could use Ryoga's belt and bandannas since they aren't techniques but weapons. Hard to say about Kuno's techniques.
If the stakes were high enough he might decide to use a cutting weapon on Luffy and risk a fatality*. Even so I'd just bet on Luffy due to power levels. One Piece isn't on DBZ levels but I'd put it potentially around Naruto.
*Fanon is also way off on him and killing. I can't remember a single instance where he showed any great reverence for life or any guilt over temporarily killing Saffron. In nearly all of his fights he hasn't gone that far but usually the stakes aren't that high.
Herb's should be entirely possible since it is just reshaping the ki blast to have an edge. Ranma did not ever seal the senkens the bet was that if Ranma won Ryu would seal them Ranma never said he'd seal them (that he didn't use them in a later arc is irrelevant since he rarely uses or even has a reason to use special techniques them being overkill or just having other options). Ryoga's weren't exactly weapons rather it seems to be using ki to reinforce and toughen cloth which Ranma should be able to do and Ranma wears clothes most of the time giving him the material needed (Ranma was able to stop a punch of Happosai's with a paper fan so he can toughen material in that manner and do other things of a similar nature such as make a whip out of noodles - Kiima's and Kontasu's techniques were virtually the same as Ryoga's just using different material whereas Herb's, Kuno's, and Ryu's were also virtually the same just using different forms of energy -air,vacuum,ki). Altering the Hiryu Shoten Ha into a cutting wind should also be possible. Using a cutting technique should be entirely possible for him (besides he did use some like the one that cut through Ryoga's house).
Ranma does take a lot of care to not seriously injure his opponents in the manga so he does care about peoples lives. That said if Ranma did kill he isn't going to feel guilt over it since if he did that the stakes were so high and his choices so few at that point that there would be no reason to feel guilt about it.
Ranma does take a lot of care to not seriously injure his opponents in the manga so he does care about peoples lives. That said if Ranma did kill he isn't going to feel guilt over it since if he did that the stakes were so high and his choices so few at that point that there would be no reason to feel guilt about it.
I didn't mean that Ranma was always willing to kill, simply that the constant writing in fanfics where he bursts into tears when Sailor Moon kills a Youma is way off.
On the Yamasenken he states that it "has been sealed" after Ryu's defeat. As for Ryoga's weapons that's fanon (as is almost everything about Ranma 1/2 and ki). I'll admit it's been a while but I am fairly sure that in the entire series they never once mention using ki to strengthen anything. How the paper fan works I'm not sure but the ki explanation is simply a fan invention.
On the Yamasenken he states that it "has been sealed" after Ryu's defeat. As for Ryoga's weapons that's fanon (as is almost everything about Ranma 1/2 and ki). I'll admit it's been a while but I am fairly sure that in the entire series they never once mention using ki to strengthen anything. How the paper fan works I'm not sure but the ki explanation is simply a fan invention.
He also said their creator was sealed and he let Genma be unsealed so that doesn't mean much and that doesn't mean that he will seal them. The bet was that Ryu would seal them and after the battle they were sealed in that Ryu can't use them anymore. It's just semantics really but there are many ways to argue it.
While ki infusing to strengthen stuff is fanon it also is common of the genre (martial arts manga) in general and in several real life martial arts that use the concepts of ki. It is also is the best explanation I've seen for those types of things.
While ki infusing to strengthen stuff is fanon it also is common of the genre (martial arts manga) in general and in several real life martial arts that use the concepts of ki. It is also is the best explanation I've seen for those types of things.
Ya, Ranma really has nothing against Luffy.
Anyhow given how Kuno can cut through mostly anything with his bokken, Ryoga with his bandanna's, Happosai's and Cologne pipe and super staff techs, its assumed that there using Chi empowerment. It isn't fanon for chi strengthening stuff, how else can you explain a bokken cutting through concrete like butter or belts slashing through steel.
Anyhow given how Kuno can cut through mostly anything with his bokken, Ryoga with his bandanna's, Happosai's and Cologne pipe and super staff techs, its assumed that there using Chi empowerment. It isn't fanon for chi strengthening stuff, how else can you explain a bokken cutting through concrete like butter or belts slashing through steel.
They all have fucking super strength, I know that for a fucking fact give me a good reason why a normal bokken didn't break if its just using pure strength or how regular belts and bandannas can cut concrete or steel. Better yet how about Happosai's bombs they can knock Ranma out in a single blow given Ranmas durability it should take shit ton more than a fucking firecracker to take him out, cause that what it looks like a firecracker, they also range from small to boulder size or bigger.
Its fucking Chi powered weapons and skill............... Not just fucking pure super strength for most weapon users in Ranma 1/2.
Its fucking Chi powered weapons and skill............... Not just fucking pure super strength for most weapon users in Ranma 1/2.
It might make sense, but that's not the point. The point is, until Rumiko Takahashi says it's correct, it's fanon. The point of fanon isn't that it's completely off (though that's often the case) the point is that fanon is something that is taken for granted among fans even though it is never stated in the actual work.
As an example from Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep: Terranort (Xehanort in Terra's body) is in love/obsessed with Aqua. It is never stated anywhere that Terra loves Aqua or that Xehanort is interested in her except for finding the Chamber, but many fans seem to take it as fact.
As an example from Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep: Terranort (Xehanort in Terra's body) is in love/obsessed with Aqua. It is never stated anywhere that Terra loves Aqua or that Xehanort is interested in her except for finding the Chamber, but many fans seem to take it as fact.
What I've always wondered is why people seem to think Ryoga's habit of smashing his surroundings is an indication he's stronger then Ranma, rather than an indication of his extremely poor self-control.
The sheer amount of muscle power it would take for Ranma for move at the speeds he does makes he believe he holds back physically most of the time. Homicidal Ranma could probably literally punch holes in his rival/opponents.
The sheer amount of muscle power it would take for Ranma for move at the speeds he does makes he believe he holds back physically most of the time. Homicidal Ranma could probably literally punch holes in his rival/opponents.