Rebuild of Star Wars

Ordo

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#1
The point of this is too get Star Wars back on track as the premier sci-fi/fantasy series it once was in the days before the prequels.

Now this is mostly for fun but I wanted to explore some of the possibilites if we essentially hit the reset button on the prequels and the Star Wars expanded universe (except for KOTOR and SWTOR, those can remain unchanged)

Let's start with the prequels.

The Republic is mostly as portrayed in the films. However they do have a military force made up of volunteers from across Republic Space. However, most beings prefer to join the security forces of their home system. All together the various security forces out number the Republics military, but they are focused only on defending their own territory where as the Republics forces train to handle any situation from disaaster relief to full on war. The Republic has the best trained and armed military in the galaxy (Only the Chiss rival them in terms of skill) but there just aren't enough of them. Which is why they are later on forced to rely on Clones to bolster their forces.

Aside from the Jedi, the Republic employes Agents to deal with any problems/crimes/etc that extend beyond the jurisdiction of local systems. These Agents are rumored to handle...the dirty jobs the Republic would prefer not to dump on the Jedi.

The Mandalorians are a divided people. We have the Duchess, and her peaceful government. Then there's the Death Watch, wanna-be Mandos that engage in terrorist actions to accomplish their goals. Next we have the Mandalore and his forces. The Mandalore (Voiced by the same guy who did Zaeed in ME 2) and his mercs are essentially Lawful Neutral, they follow a rugged code, care little for galactic politics and generally act as mercs for the highest bidder. At worst they are villains with Standards.

The Duchess is actually the Daughter of the current Mandalore and as such is a highly capable fighter. However she's sick of killing and thus works very hard to keep her people safe without resorting to lethal force (When the Duchess goes to war, I imagine she'd look an act a lot like the Boss from MGS 3). However she has buttons that if pushed will reveal her more ruthless side (Kind of a Kenshin/Battousai thing just with vibra knives, blasters and explosives).

The Duchess and Obi-wan crossed paths repeatedly in their younger years and as such have formed an attraction. (Duchess: -watching Obi-wan fly off- "Hmph! Almost had him...")However the Duchess has yet to forgive Kenobi for walking out on her just when she needed him the most. Obi-wan's regrets over this lost chance at love are what eventually spur his padawan Anakin to hold on so tight to the woman he loves.

Anakin Skywalker is a brillaint young Jedi who, if not for the war, would've dedicated himself to defending the weak from gangsters like the Hutts. A former slave he knows what it's like to be powerless and has refused to ever let himself be in such a position again. Though a brillaint warrior the droids of the seperatist army are unending, remorseless killing machines. To defeat them, he slowly becomes a monster over the course of the war. He sows terror not amongst the droids, , because they know no fear, but amongs those who use them. His enemies are shown no mercy, worlds that stand against the Republic are brought to their knees. Anyone who takes arms against the republic and those who would defend it are not just defeated, they are destroyed.

Ashoka is not Anakins apprentice, she's actually a young knight assigned to Anakin and Obiwan not long after the start of the clone wars. Obi-wan is the Diplomat, Anakin is the Warlord and Ashoka is the Hunter. She leads commando units behind enemy lines, she is the one they use to track down targets for capture and when called for she is the one to interrogate those same individuals. She is a predator, forever working hard to keep 'The Huntress' inside at bay.

Count Dooku is one of the most dangerous beings in the universe. The only thing more deadly than his blade and command of the force, is his silver tongue. He has used it to turn good and honest people against the Republic. His oration has led hundreds of systems into armed revolt, and killed hundreds of thousands of people across a dozen systems. And that was in the wars opening days.

Grevious is possibly one of the most talented and vicious Generals to have ever existed. He is brutal, ruthless and commited to two things, the fall of the Republic that betrayed his rule, and the extermination of the Jedi Order.

Thoughts so far?
 

DrTempo

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#2
Not bad. I'll admit, I LIKE the prequels...To me, they're just the first act in a two-part play.
 

Ordo

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#3
DrTempo said:
Not bad. I'll admit, I LIKE the prequels...To me, they're just the first act in a two-part play.
My general feelings on the prequels is that they were a good idead ruined by poor execution. And I always feel there's room for improvement in any work of ficition.
 

Kibbles

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#5
Ordo said:
The point of this is too get Star Wars back on track as the premier sci-fi/fantasy series it once was in the days before the prequels.

Now this is mostly for fun but I wanted to explore some of the possibilites if we essentially hit the reset button on the prequels and the Star Wars expanded universe (except for KOTOR and SWTOR, those can remain unchanged)

Let's start with the prequels.
All right, let's take a look, from the perspective of a canon nazi.

The Republic is mostly as portrayed in the films. However they do have a military force made up of volunteers from across Republic Space. However, most beings prefer to join the security forces of their home system. All together the various security forces out number the Republics military, but they are focused only on defending their own territory where as the Republics forces train to handle any situation from disaaster relief to full on war. The Republic has the best trained and armed military in the galaxy (Only the Chiss rival them in terms of skill) but there just aren't enough of them. Which is why they are later on forced to rely on Clones to bolster their forces.
The Galactic Republic had a joint military, the Republic Judiciary (serving primarily as a police and patrol force) with individual sectors (polities of several hundred to several thousand worlds) maintaining Sectorial Defence Forces which were controlled by the Galactic Republic in wartime. Individual systems maintained their own law enforcement (and continued to do so even during the Empire).

Given their small size and the massive pool of recruits, the Republic Judiciary were the best of the best.

The Chiss Ascendancy has always been a fringe power, no more worthy of mention in the same sentence as the Republic than the Hapes Consortium. It's like comparing the armies of the United Kingdom and Luxembourgh, then pointing out that Luxembourgh soldiers are as skilled as the Brits ... it's an entirely pointless comparison. The only reason the Chiss were a power is because by the point they were introduce, the galaxy had been tearing itself apart for several decades (the Remant boasted a hundred Star Destroyers, down from 25,000 and the New Republic considered them powerful enough to be too much trouble to defeat).

Aside from the Jedi, the Republic employes Agents to deal with any problems/crimes/etc that extend beyond the jurisdiction of local systems. These Agents are rumored to handle...the dirty jobs the Republic would prefer not to dump on the Jedi.
That already exists, Republic Intelligence ... which didn't even change leaders when Palpatine came to power, which should tell you enough about their methods. The only reason Armand Isard got taken down is because he never expected his daughter to set him up.

Considering that Ysanne Isard was cut from the same cloth as Armand ... no-one else was really surprised.

The Mandalorians are a divided people. We have the Duchess, and her peaceful government. Then there's the Death Watch, wanna-be Mandos that engage in terrorist actions to accomplish their goals. Next we have the Mandalore and his forces. The Mandalore (Voiced by the same guy who did Zaeed in ME 2) and his mercs are essentially Lawful Neutral, they follow a rugged code, care little for galactic politics and generally act as mercs for the highest bidder. At worst they are villains with Standards.
The Death Watch are old-style Mandalorians (also, canon says they win, during the Empire Mandalore is administered by the Death Watch). And Mandalorians, even at their best, could be only described as Lawful Evil. Their code of honour, if it can be called that isn't very honourable.

These are, after all, people who considered glassing continents perfectly honourable. Mandalorians only really started grumbling when Mandalore ordered genocide ... and even then, only complained.

The Duchess is actually the Daughter of the current Mandalore and as such is a highly capable fighter. However she's sick of killing and thus works very hard to keep her people safe without resorting to lethal force (When the Duchess goes to war, I imagine she'd look an act a lot like the Boss from MGS 3). However she has buttons that if pushed will reveal her more ruthless side (Kind of a Kenshin/Battousai thing just with vibra knives, blasters and explosives).

The Duchess and Obi-wan crossed paths repeatedly in their younger years and as such have formed an attraction. (Duchess: -watching Obi-wan fly off- "Hmph! Almost had him...")However the Duchess has yet to forgive Kenobi for walking out on her just when she needed him the most. Obi-wan's regrets over this lost chance at love are what eventually spur his padawan Anakin to hold on so tight to the woman he loves.
Why insist on keeping a culture in stasis for 4,000 years?

Going by that logic, Corellia should have a King. After all, he only abdicated a few centuries before the prequels. And maybe Cinnagar should have an Emperor and Procopia be the capitol of the Tapani Empire. And maybe the Honourable Union of Deservo and Tion is still around, trying to knock down Coruscant from it's perch (25,000 years after they lost a war).

We're talking about several millenia, which started with the Mandalorians getting put down with planet-busters by the Republic. You truly expect a culture not to change?

Anakin Skywalker is a brillaint young Jedi who, if not for the war, would've dedicated himself to defending the weak from gangsters like the Hutts. A former slave he knows what it's like to be powerless and has refused to ever let himself be in such a position again. Though a brillaint warrior the droids of the seperatist army are unending, remorseless killing machines. To defeat them, he slowly becomes a monster over the course of the war. He sows terror not amongst the droids, , because they know no fear, but amongs those who use them. His enemies are shown no mercy, worlds that stand against the Republic are brought to their knees. Anyone who takes arms against the republic and those who would defend it are not just defeated, they are destroyed.
The Hutts aren't members of the Republic, in fact, all of Hutt Space isn't a member of the Republic. The Jedi Order has no authority there.

As for worlds being brought to their knees ... Base Delta Zero was a protocol named during the Clone Wars and the GAR/GNR was judicious in it's use. Glassing planets is nothing new to the Republic.

Ashoka is not Anakins apprentice, she's actually a young knight assigned to Anakin and Obiwan not long after the start of the clone wars. Obi-wan is the Diplomat, Anakin is the Warlord and Ashoka is the Hunter. She leads commando units behind enemy lines, she is the one they use to track down targets for capture and when called for she is the one to interrogate those same individuals. She is a predator, forever working hard to keep 'The Huntress' inside at bay.
You can't have that model without altering the structure of the Jedi Order. They do their best to avoid exposing any of their members to the Dark Side. Mace Windu invented a lightsaber style and despite being the best, most honourable guy around, he had to spend most of his life proving that he wasn't touched by the Dark Side.

The Jedi Order are monks, not special forces. The last time they fought a war (as an army) the galaxy got plunged into a 1,000 years of warfare (the time before, nearly a century, the time before that, a century, the time before that, several centuries). After Ruusan, they gave all of that up. You don't see Jedi Battle Armour making an appearance post-Ruusan, do you? For very good reason, Jedi aren't warriors, they're keepers of the peace.

The Jedi are special investigators, the Scotland Yard (or FBI) of the Old Republic ... there aren't Spectres in SW. There is a Gestapo, but only during the Empire.

Count Dooku is one of the most dangerous beings in the universe. The only thing more deadly than his blade and command of the force, is his silver tongue. He has used it to turn good and honest people against the Republic. His oration has led hundreds of systems into armed revolt, and killed hundreds of thousands of people across a dozen systems. And that was in the wars opening days.

Grevious is possibly one of the most talented and vicious Generals to have ever existed. He is brutal, ruthless and commited to two things, the fall of the Republic that betrayed his rule, and the extermination of the Jedi Order.
That's pretty much canon. Except not hundreds of systems, it's thousands.

Thoughts so far?
While I'll be the first to admit that the prequels are flawed in many ways, the concepts contained within are good. While I do think that the EU could use some house cleaning, a reboot is unnecessary.

And the fact that, of all things to keep, you choose KotOR and TOR is ... worrying. The Old Republic has a list of things wrong with it as long as my arm.
 

DrTempo

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#6
Kibbles raises many valid points. I have to agree with him on this one.
 

Ordo

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#7
Then let's talk house cleaning. What needs to be emphasized, what needs to be resturcted and what should be discarded (coughKarenTravisscough) from the myriad of games, cartoons, comics, and novels that make up the Star Wars expanded Universe?
 

Prince Charon

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#8
Ordo said:
Then let's talk house cleaning. What needs to be emphasized, what needs to be resturcted and what should be discarded (coughKarenTravisscough) from the myriad of games, cartoons, comics, and novels that make up the Star Wars expanded Universe?
I liked what you had, more than Kibbles' version - apart from the bit with the Mandalorians, where I'm on the fence.
 

Bill Felix

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#9
Ordo said:
Then let's talk house cleaning. What needs to be emphasized, what needs to be resturcted and what should be discarded (coughKarenTravisscough) from the myriad of games, cartoons, comics, and novels that make up the Star Wars expanded Universe?
On the topic of a prequel reset button, do you mean like what would be the best way to re-do the prequels?

I've always been of the opinion that the prequels would be better if the extended universe wasn't taken into account (sorry fans). Really, I'd make the sequels assuming it was 1983 and using only the first three films as canon.

As to how I'd do it, I would give the prequels the same time span as the originals (2-3 years between all three movies instead of exploring the entire life of the main character) and set things up way faster (without changing much of the plot of the current prequels).

Like, first movie: meet Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Padme. By the end of the movie, the Clone Wars have either begun or have kicked into high gear and Anakin and Padme are in love (yes, it can be done in like one movie with one adventure).

Second movie: Clone Wars in high gear, battle scenes, Anakin and Padme get married blah blah blah, eventual Anakin heel-turn at the end so the third movie can actually have Vader doing things in it.

Third movie: Vader does evil stuff, Padme's death explained, Death Star prototype blows up Naboo (why not?)

But that's probably not what you meant, since it doesn't really explore the EU, so...
 
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