Harry Potter Right Handed Rule

[Lord Raine]

So yeah. All those cliches?

I just justified them.

02:03 LR CHAOS
02:03 LR BRO
02:03 LR HOLY SHIT BRO
02:03 Chaos341 WHAT BRO
02:04 LR I just thought of a way to write manipulative!Dumbledore, and not only make it work, but make it /interesting/ and *PLAUSIBLE*
02:04 LR My God what have I done?
02:04 LR Sweet Mother of Mary, what line have I crossed?
02:05 Chaos341 You have crossed into The Cliche Zone.
02:05 Chaos341 Cue creepy sound effects
02:05 LR Dumbledore is Good and believes in doing Good things
02:06 LR The world isn't good. The world is full of bad things and bad people. The world is full of bleakness and greyness and sadness as people fight people.
02:07 LR 'Evil' with a capital E doesn't really exist, and Goodness with a big G is just a fairy tale
02:07 LR But Dumbledore
02:07 LR Dumbledore doesn't just see the world as Good and Evil
02:07 LR He wants Good to win
02:07 LR So how do you get humanity, and the magical races for that matter, to unite?
02:08 LR There is an answer
02:08 LR Historically
02:08 Chaos341 Make a enemy for them
02:08 LR Enemies and neutral neighbors unite when presented with a greater threat
02:08 LR A mutual enemy
02:09 LR Dumbledore, knowing full-well what he wrought, created Voldemort
02:09 LR And now he's creating Harry
02:09 Chaos341 Tentrees will love you
02:09 Chaos341 He will love you to death
02:10 LR Dumbledore is pushing the entire world into a global conflict that will overspill the Statute of Secrecy, and polarize the world into picking a side: Voldemort, or Harry
02:10 LR Then
02:10 LR He sets Harry up to WIN
02:10 LR Good prevails
02:10 LR "And they all lived happily ever after."
02:11 LR Of course
02:11 Chaos341 That sounds awesome
02:11 LR Things don't go /quite/ as planned
02:11 LR Harry finds out.
02:11 LR And then the real question gets raised
02:12 LR Can he really hold it against Dumbledore? And even if he can, is /opposing/ Dumbledore really the wisest move? Or would it not be better to pretend to have never seen behind the curtain, and continue being a piece on the board?
02:12 Chaos341 Holy shit Jetflash what the hell
02:13 LR After all, if it works, 'evil' dies. The world would be cleansed of Dark creatures and Dark Wizards. Harry would be a Hero.
02:13 LR HARRY POTTER COULD REMAKE THE WORLD HOWEVER HE CHOSE
02:14 LR "I stand by what I said before. You would have done well in Slyrithen."
02:14 Chaos341 Rebelling against him would be astoundingly stupid
02:15 Chaos341 Why don't I just kneecap the fight against evil
02:15 LR So Harry? Harry chooses a third option. He can't beat Dumbledore. He doesn't /want/ to beat Dumbledore. He's going to play along. And then when the time is right, HE WILL TAKE DUMBLEDORE'S PLACE
02:15 LR Why be the one who allows evil to win, when you could be the Hero AND the man behind the curtain?
02:15 Chaos341 Just because if evil was made by Dumbledore doesn't mean it will go away when you find out
02:16 LR Hell, this could even be a humongous conspiracy of Master and Apprentice
02:16 Chaos341 Its some sith shit man
02:16 LR Maybe Flamel created Grindelwald, mentored Dumbledore, and eventually Dumbledore did the same things Harry is planning to do
02:17 LR He took Flamel's place as the Most Powerful Wizard Of Light That Everyone Loves
02:17 Chaos341 Except Harry is a success
02:17 Chaos341 In that he unites everyone
02:17 LR And now it's Harry's turn
02:17 LR Because Slytherins have always ruled the world
02:17 LR It's just that the ones who do, are the ones who never get put *in* Slytherin

And then the real question gets raised. Did Harry find out by accident, or did Dumbledore want him to see behind the curtain? Is he breaking away from the plan at all, or is he just playing right into it?

Slytherins have always ruled the world. It's just that the ones who do, are the ones who never get put in Slytherin.

Thoughts?

 

[Chaos341]

Edit: No jinxing post was here no siree.

 

[Vexarian]

Oooooo

This is good.

 

[Ninsaneja]

Plan's a good 'un.

Take some grit to pull it off tho'

Wow, everything from how he treated Snape and Tom Riddle in school to how he doesn't ever *quite* defeat Voldemort while Voldemort is scared of him, to how he lets Snape get away with the prophecy... all fit in nicely.

 

[Elvarein]

Code Geass, Zero Requim twisted in HP? :snigger:

Btw, Harry probably needs a better name/title. Its too ordinary otherwise ^_^

 

[Scygnus Darkhawk]

Y hallo thar Mr. Viedt.

 

[trevelyan1983]

Y hallo thar Mr. Viedt.

"No compromises. Even in the face of armaggeddon."

 

[Coelacanth]

Cool idea. Now if you ever got passed the first chapter or so, that'd be even more awesome.

 

[Schema]

Cool idea. Now if you ever got passed the first chapter or so, that'd be even more awesome.

TRUTH

 

[Inaba]

It's true that people unite when presented with a common enemy - that being basic human nature attested by ridiculous amounts of experience over the course of human history and even actual experimentation carried out by modern scientists.

But that unity also collapses like a house of cards once the enemy is gone. I suppose it could be argued that the cooperation during the war between disparate factions might be a seed for further cooperation down the road once Voldemort dies, but that's a really big gamble considering the stakes.

Especially since once magic is revealed, that genie's never getting stuffed back into the bag.

 

[Prince Charon]

It's true that people unite when presented with a common enemy - that being basic human nature attested by ridiculous amounts of experience over the course of human history and even actual experimentation carried out by modern scientists.

But that unity also collapses like a house of cards once the enemy is gone. I suppose it could be argued that the cooperation during the war between disparate factions might be a seed for further cooperation down the road once Voldemort dies, but that's a really big gamble considering the stakes.

Especially since once magic is revealed, that genie's never getting stuffed back into the bag.

Yeah. Veidt did it 'better', in the sense that the world 'knows' that the enemy is still out there, and doesn't know when they'll strike.

 

[Lord Raine]

Especially since once magic is revealed, that genie's never getting stuffed back into the bag.

They already stuffed the genie back into the bottle once. They could do it again if they wanted to. Just remove all the evidence and hide. In a few hundered years, nobody will believe it actually happened. In a thousand, it would be complete myth.

 

[Jeopardizer]

Could we have a shortened version of the log? It sucks big balls to have to read it like that.

 

[Lord Raine]

Cool idea. Now if you ever got passed the first chapter or so, that'd be even more awesome.

TRUTH

I never even said I was going to write this. I never even said I was thinking about it.

Get the fuck out. I mean it. I'm not obligated to write shit. This is a thread for an idea, not being a bitch about anything you think I should have done.

Could we have a shortened version of the log? It sucks big balls to have to read it like that.

Certainly.

 

[Lord Raine]

I just thought of a way to write manipulative!Dumbledore, and not only make it work, but make it /interesting/ and *PLAUSIBLE*

My God what have I done? Sweet Mother of Mary, what line have I crossed?

Dumbledore is Good and believes in doing Good things. But the world isn't good. The world is full of bad things and bad people. The world is full of bleakness and greyness and sadness as people fight people. 'Evil' with a capital E doesn't really exist, and Goodness with a big G is just a fairy tale.

But Dumbledore. Dumbledore doesn't just see the world as Good and Evil. He wants Good to win. So how do you get humanity, and the magical races for that matter, to unite?

There is an answer. Historically.

Enemies and neutral neighbors unite when presented with a greater threat. A mutual enemy. Dumbledore, knowing full-well what he wrought, created Voldemort. And now he's creating Harry.

Dumbledore is pushing the entire world into a global conflict that will overspill the Statute of Secrecy, and polarize the world into picking a side: Voldemort, or Harry. Then, he sets Harry up to WIN. Good prevails, "And they all lived happily ever after."

Of course, things don't go /quite/ as planned. Harry finds out. And then the real question gets raised. Can he really hold it against Dumbledore? And even if he can, is opposing Dumbledore really the wisest move? Or would it not be better to pretend to have never seen behind the curtain, and continue being a piece on the board?

After all, if it works, 'evil' dies. The world would be cleansed of Dark creatures and Dark Wizards. Harry would be a Hero. HARRY POTTER COULD REMAKE THE WORLD HOWEVER HE DESIRED.

"I stand by what I said before. You would have done well in Slytherin."

02:14 Chaos341 Rebelling against him would be astoundingly stupid
02:15 Chaos341 Why don't I just kneecap the fight against evil

So Harry? Harry chooses a third option. He can't beat Dumbledore. He doesn't want to beat Dumbledore. He's going to play along. And then when the time is right, HE WILL TAKE DUMBLEDORE'S PLACE. Why be the one who allows, evil to win, when you could be the Hero AND the man behind the curtain?

02:15 Chaos341 Just because if evil was made by Dumbledore doesn't mean it will go away when you find out

Hell, this could even be a humongous conspiracy of Master and Apprentice.

02:16 Chaos341 Its some sith shit man

Maybe Flamel created Grindelwald, mentored Dumbledore, and eventually Dumbledore did the same things Harry is planning to do. He took Flamel's place as the Most Powerful Wizard Of Light That Everyone Loves.

02:17 Chaos341 Except Harry is a success
02:17 Chaos341 In that he unites everyone

And now it's Harry's turn. Because Slytherins have always ruled the world. It's just that the ones who do, are the ones who never get put in Slytherin.


There. Better?

 

[Cornuthaum]

That is a good idea. Something always draws me to those choices - compromise one way or another, or stick to your ideals and die/ruin everything.

I like this third option, too. (It is, however, too bad it won't get written. FFNet should have an "Ideas For Adoption" basket)

 

[Jeopardizer]

Yeah, thanks LR.

Cool idea, I particulary like it as it fits in my views of Dumbledore/Harry/Voldemort.

 

[Inaba]

They already stuffed the genie back into the bottle once. They could do it again if they wanted to. Just remove all the evidence and hide. In a few hundered years, nobody will believe it actually happened. In a thousand, it would be complete myth.

It would be a complete and utter logistical nightmare and I can't imagine more than a hundred disparate communities agreeing on how to plan a panic, much less an act of isolation this pervasive and extensive. You'd literally need almost each and every wizard and witch to agree to the plan and to tie up God-knows how many loose ends.

Why would all of them do that barring some sort of global pogrom? I can certainly see that happening in some places, but magic is simply too useful for mundane societies not to start partnering up with the magical people. And considering what even fairly average wizards and witches can do, it hard not to see them end up rich and well-off real fast.

But this is fairly irrelevant anyways. If this Dumbledore was optimistic enough to count on continuing cooperation between most nations even after the unifying threat was eliminated, he could well be optimistic enough to accept the dangers of exposing magical societies as well.

But for the most part like Charon said, Veidt did it better, which is not to say that this idea couldn't be done well.

 

[Vexarian]

(It is, however, too bad it won't get written. FFNet should have an "Ideas For Adoption" basket)

So you're saying you'd like to see this in the hands of your average Harry Potter writer?

...Good lord Cornuthaum I never realized just how black your heart truly was.

 

[Lord Raine]

This in the hands of your average Harry Potter writer would just be a reiteration of every cliche in the book. The point of this idea is to turn them on their head. All of them. And still keep to canon while doing it.

It would be a complete and utter logistical nightmare

Except that they already did it once. You're forgetting that. And according to canon, it wasn't even that hard for them to do. They just took a few steps back, and erased the footprints as they went.

 

[Vexarian]

This in the hands of your average Harry Potter writer would just be a reiteration of every cliche in the book. The point of this idea is to turn them on their head. All of them. And still keep to canon while doing it.

It would be a complete and utter logistical nightmare

Except that they already did it once. You're forgetting that. And according to canon, it wasn't even that hard for them to do. They just took a few steps back, and erased the footprints as they went.

It'd probably be a lot harder in the modern era though. Unless it's possible to do some sort of global data erasure or something like that.

And even if they did manage to erase ALL of the evidence I'm not entirely sure they'd succeed unless they also manage to stop everyone in the world from talking about it for the next forever since it'd be kind of a big deal.

 

[Chaos341]

This in the hands of your average Harry Potter writer would just be a reiteration of every cliche in the book. The point of this idea is to turn them on their head. All of them. And still keep to canon while doing it.

It would be a complete and utter logistical nightmare

Except that they already did it once. You're forgetting that. And according to canon, it wasn't even that hard for them to do. They just took a few steps back, and erased the footprints as they went.

It'd probably be a lot harder in the modern era though. Unless it's possible to do some sort of global data erasure or something like that.

And even if they did manage to erase ALL of the evidence I'm not entirely sure they'd succeed unless they also manage to stop everyone in the world from talking about it for the next forever since it'd be kind of a big deal.

As long as they don't visibly do anything for a long time people will start doubt it. And it will just spiral down into a myth after that. Having data records is worthless when people think they are wrong and silly.

 

[Vexarian]

This in the hands of your average Harry Potter writer would just be a reiteration of every cliche in the book. The point of this idea is to turn them on their head. All of them. And still keep to canon while doing it.

It would be a complete and utter logistical nightmare

Except that they already did it once. You're forgetting that. And according to canon, it wasn't even that hard for them to do. They just took a few steps back, and erased the footprints as they went.

It'd probably be a lot harder in the modern era though. Unless it's possible to do some sort of global data erasure or something like that.

And even if they did manage to erase ALL of the evidence I'm not entirely sure they'd succeed unless they also manage to stop everyone in the world from talking about it for the next forever since it'd be kind of a big deal.

As long as they don't visibly do anything for a long time people will start doubt it. And it will just spiral down into a myth after that. Having data records is worthless when people think they are wrong and silly.

To put this in perspective, imagine if your grandfather and basically everyone old enough to have been alive at the time, insisted that Hitler fought WW2 on Dragon-back.

Now there aren't any images or records to prove this, other then the fact that everyone from San Francisco to Japan and back again tells the story of how "it" happened.

We're not talking about way back when when people thought headaches were a sign of the devil. This was a relatively recent and quite enlightened era and this would be extremely strange without SOMETHING to cause it.

 

[Chaos341]

And then those people die or are obliviated and the later generations start thinking it is not true due to the absence of proof. Obliviation is the biggest factor here. Who will believe these data records or evidence when nobody remembers it happening? Some people will and they will be called conspiracy theorists and ignored by most people.

 

[Lord Raine]

You're also forgetting that the data records themselves won't be that difficult to get rid of. Magic has a natural computer-consoles-explode effect tagged onto it that seems to affect anything that has actual circuitry in it. So all the data files, video recordings, ect, could be very easily taken care of even if the wizards had no idea what they were doing. The only actual challenge would be removing hard copies of things like photographs, and they have ample experience in doing that.

The hardest part of this isn't actually that hard. They could just sit Dumbledore on a unicorn and walk it through the place on a leash. That would take care of the problem real quick. The dirtiest part of that job would be shoveling the unicorn manure, and let's face it; that shit probably sparkles and exfoliates, so even that's not that big of a deal.