Sakura: Taking Another Path

GenocideHeart

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#1
Okay, as mentioned in another thread - what if Sakura Kasugano, Ryu fan extraordinaire moonlighting as a Street Fighter, actually fixated on another fighter?

Take Sagat, for instance.

Or Gen.

Or Gill.

Or hell, even Gouki himself.

Remember, this is a girl who learned an ENTIRE FIGHTING STYLE and adapted it to her own abilities simply by watching videos and the occasional live fight of Ryu.

WITHOUT a Sharingank or other cheap help.

And she doesn't even train full-time. She's a schoolgirl who occasionally fights. Imagine if whoever she fixated on decided to actually train her... the potential Sakura has is scary, and that it's being wasted makes me sad. She's essentially Ranma on crack.

Thoughts?
 

Souffle

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#2
It's like you pulled the cover from my eyes. I just never noticed.

What if she and Ranma met? It would be interesting.

As for who she fixates on.... how about M. Bison (The Boxer). That would be seriously interesting.

There's also a lot of others she could look at too, there's just a lot of characters. The problem is how would she see their styles? Sakura mostly learned hers from watching tapes and live matches of Ryu, right?
 

Chaos Blade

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#4
Souffle said:
It's like you pulled the cover from my eyes. I just never noticed.

What if she and Ranma met? It would be interesting.

As for who she fixates on.... how about M. Bison (The Boxer). That would be seriously interesting.

There's also a lot of others she could look at too, there's just a lot of characters. The problem is how would she see their styles? Sakura mostly learned hers from watching tapes and live matches of Ryu, right?
Actually, there is a thread at the anime adveture that features just that...
 

holyknight

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#5
Souffle said:
It's like you pulled the cover from my eyes. I just never noticed.

What if she and Ranma met? It would be interesting.

As for who she fixates on.... how about M. Bison (The Boxer). That would be seriously interesting.

There's also a lot of others she could look at too, there's just a lot of characters. The problem is how would she see their styles? Sakura mostly learned hers from watching tapes and live matches of Ryu, right?
Actually, it exists an AA Thread exactly about Ranma and Sakura Hasugano meeting and the pathway change what comes from it.....it's mixed also with the Rival Schools verse, but it's ok in general.

Ranma 'n Sakura
 
#6
Sakura fixating on and imitating Geese Howard would transcend awesome and go into uber-awesome, if not further. Especially considering her "rivalry" with Karin Kanzuki.

Just a crossover idea.
 
#7
holyknight said:
Souffle said:
It's like you pulled the cover from my eyes. I just never noticed.

What if she and Ranma met? It would be interesting.

As for who she fixates on.... how about M. Bison (The Boxer). That would be seriously interesting.

There's also a lot of others she could look at too, there's just a lot of characters. The problem is how would she see their styles? Sakura mostly learned hers from watching tapes and live matches of Ryu, right?
Actually, it exists an AA Thread exactly about Ranma and Sakura Hasugano meeting and the pathway change what comes from it.....it's mixed also with the Rival Schools verse, but it's ok in general.

Ranma 'n Sakura
I contributed a couple episodes to that thread prior to the intro of the Rival Schools stuff. I'd add more but I really don't know much about RS and prefer to work on my own ideas.

Also, it's really Disruptor's thread, but he hasn't touched it in ages. Don't know when or if he'll come back to it; he seems to have a habit of starting and then abandoning projects.


Rather like myself...*cough*
 

fallacies

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#8
Sakura has a fixation on Poison-chan, and gets genital reassignment surgery? :D

On a more serious note, Sakura does have a lot of ficcing potential, provided she's used right. I'd be interested in seeing where this idea goes ... One thing though: how do you get rid of the annoying fangirl factor?
 

toraneko

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#9
She lost that on her own in the canon SF universe. Grew past the fangirl phase once she realized her love for the fight itself. Also, this was the point at which she supposedly began growing in ability by leaps and bounds.
 

Bjorn

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#10
For her to actually learn Gouki's fighting style there'd have to be videos of him fighting. Which I'm pretty sure there aren't, seeing as he only appears at random and most of the time the fights are quick and brutal. Plus all she'd learn is him fighting at about half his true power.

Doesn't mean it wouldn't kick ass, though. :p
 

GenocideHeart

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#11
Bjorn said:
For her to actually learn Gouki's fighting style there'd have to be videos of him fighting. Which I'm pretty sure there aren't, seeing as he only appears at random and most of the time the fights are quick and brutal. Plus all she'd learn is him fighting at about half his true power.

Doesn't mean it wouldn't kick ass, though. :p
Technically, we DO know how a Sakura fixating on Gouki would turn out - Dark Sakura from the Vs. series.
 

Bjorn

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#12
GenocideHeart said:
Bjorn said:
For her to actually learn Gouki's fighting style there'd have to be videos of him fighting. Which I'm pretty sure there aren't, seeing as he only appears at random and most of the time the fights are quick and brutal. Plus all she'd learn is him fighting at about half his true power.

Doesn't mean it wouldn't kick ass, though. :p
Technically, we DO know how a Sakura fixating on Gouki would turn out - Dark Sakura from the Vs. series.
Well, to be accurate, that was more Ryu-fangirl Sakura under Satsui no Hadou. A Gouki-fangirl Sakura would probably have some weird, perverted version of the zankuu hadouken and Gouki's hyakki shu stuff.

If it happened, I could imagine it kind of like the ultimate crush on the 'dark, mysterious and dangerous bad guy' and then the crush fading later on as she becomes more and more immersed in the killing intent that practicing the undiluted ansatsuken brings.
 

GenocideHeart

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#13
Good point.

Personally, I'd find it interesting if Sakura instead fixated on Sagat. You'd think not much would change, would you? But actually, it'd be a pretty big deal.
 

Bjorn

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#14
I don't think she'd be very happy. Sagat already had a student, and I doubt he'd want to take on another. Not to mention he took a wrong turn after he got pwned by Satsui Ryu and went to Vega for help. From there Sakura would either stop fangirling (disappointed in her idol joining the forces of evil) or try to join him (getting into something waaaaay over her head).

Sagat seemed to be a good sport before Ryu got that lucky win over him in SF1, but I honestly don't know how someone with his temper could take someone as tenacious and potentially annoying as Sakura is.

Though it'd be fun to see her get into a pissing match with Adon.
 

GenocideHeart

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#15
Bjorn said:
I don't think she'd be very happy. Sagat already had a student, and I doubt he'd want to take on another. Not to mention he took a wrong turn after he got pwned by Satsui Ryu and went to Vega for help. From there Sakura would either stop fangirling (disappointed in her idol joining the forces of evil) or try to join him (getting into something waaaaay over her head).

Sagat seemed to be a good sport before Ryu got that lucky win over him in SF1, but I honestly don't know how someone with his temper could take someone as tencaious and potentially annoying as Sakura is.

Though it'd be fun to see her get into a pissing match with Adon.
To be fair, you must remember he only joined Vega because he saw it as an opportunity to fight Ryu. He didn't give a rats ass about Shadaloo, he just found it convenient to be around when the shit hit the fan.

Sagat didn't so much join evil, as he EXPLOITED it.

But I do see your point.

Hmm...
 

Bjorn

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#16
For the Sagat storyline I COULD see something like this happening:

Sakura is born a bit earlier. That's it, everything else is the same.

She sees vids of Sagat, Muay Thai Emperor. Cue head over heels luv.

She practices, comes up with hilariously maligned versions of Sagat's signature moves that, somehow, actually work, takes a trip to Thailand, bugs the everloving fuck out of Sagat.

Sagat's already set his eyes on Adon as his student, but for *cue some plot point* reason takes a second look and sees Adon for the arrogant, self-absorbed asshole he is. Thus he has no student atm.

He holds the World Warrior tournament, Sakura enters as well as Ryu.

Two possible storylines here.

1. Sakura beats Ryu, advancing to the finals, gets beaten easily by Sagat but he's impressed by her potential, taking her under his wing. Story goes from there.

2. Sakura is eliminated but nevertheless shows her potential. Ryu advances to the finals and the fight goes per canon.

If 2, then Sagat doesn't have an uppity bastard (Adon) to challenge him for the Emperor title and shatter his already damaged pride. Instead he has a girl who's still his number one fan despite the fact that he lost. Things would go on from there.

edit: Sagat probably thought he was using Shadoloo for his own ends, but Vega's power at the time was beyond imagining. Personally I think Sagat was just being played for all he was worth back then.
 

toraneko

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#17
I can't see Sakura ever actually becoming Sagat's student. Muay Thai is an art heavily steeped in tradition, and that tradition is notorious for not accepting women. In other words, "No women allowed in Muay Thai!"

At best, she'd be coming up with her own stuff if she devoted herself to Sagat's art.

However, if she was turned down as a student, she might be more driven to seek out alternate routes by which she can learn said fighting techniques... and that would inevitably lead her to Mixed Martial Arts fighting, since most forms of MMA that succeed tend to heavily borrow from Muay Thai for striking techniques.

In time, with her natural talent and devotion, she might even get an invite to participate in a World Warrior tournament on her own merit. :sisi:


Oh, and just for the record, the "Dark Sakura" in the Vs games doesn't use the Satsui no Hadou at all. Her actual name is "Hiyake Sakura" (Sunburned Sakura), and she's just really pissed off.

Why is she so pissed off?
Ever had a bad sunburn?
Ever had some jerkoff slap your sunburn?

...Yeah. That's pretty much it.
 

GenocideHeart

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#18
toraneko said:
I can't see Sakura ever actually becoming Sagat's student. Muay Thai is an art heavily steeped in tradition, and that tradition is notorious for not accepting women. In other words, "No women allowed in Muay Thai!"

At best, she'd be coming up with her own stuff if she devoted herself to Sagat's art.

However, if she was turned down as a student, she might be more driven to seek out alternate routes by which she can learn said fighting techniques... and that would inevitably lead her to Mixed Martial Arts fighting, since most forms of MMA that succeed tend to heavily borrow from Muay Thai for striking techniques.

In time, with her natural talent and devotion, she might even get an invite to participate in a World Warrior tournament on her own merit. :sisi:


Oh, and just for the record, the "Dark Sakura" in the Vs games doesn't use the Satsui no Hadou at all. Her actual name is "Hiyake Sakura" (Sunburned Sakura), and she's just really pissed off.

Why is she so pissed off?
Ever had a bad sunburn?
Ever had some jerkoff slap your sunburn?

...Yeah. That's pretty much it.
That doesn't explain why one of that Sakura's versions uses Shungokusatsu. Unless she got so pissed she just uses it without knowing WTF she is doing... which would fit her, as sometimes she's not very good at long term planning. :rofl:
 

Bjorn

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#19
There's already a female Muay Thai user in fighting games - King.

These're places where people throw energy outta their hands and jump ~10 feet into the air. In other words, not really our universe per se, just similar. Nothing saying that Sagat couldn't break tradition. He's got pride, but nothing ever indicated he'd placed much stock in the traditional bits. This was a guy who was going to join a criminal organization just to get a shot at the guy who scarred his chest.
 

toraneko

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#20
I don't know why, but it seems a good-sized post I made in reply to Bjorn got eaten by Shub-Internet.

Ah well.


King just plain cannot be a genuine, traditionally-trained Muay Thai fighter. We've seen her with her shirt off, and she noticeably lacks the abs any traditional Muay Thai fighter will always have. She also kicks wrong (doesn't lock the knee and swinf from the hip often), and seldom uses elbows or knees.

Even if you discarded the whole "no wimmenz allowed" bit, she has none of the marks of a traditional Muay Thai user. Most likely, she learned the sport-oriented kickboxing form, and has just been supplementing it with stuff she picked up during her years as a bouncer and a KOF participant.

Look at the real Muay Thai fighters in the Street Fighter and King of Fighters worlds (which are not canonically connected, by the way, so you picked a bad example).

Joe Higashi. Sagat. Adon. All three are scarred, tanned, and muscled to hell and back. Look at their abs, thigh muscles, and their protruding shin bones - old-school Muay Thai trains students for years to achieve these, and with good reason.

Without the strong bones and leg muscles, they'd never be able to deliver the devastating low kicks Muay Thai is famous for, nor would they be able to withstand them from their training partners. Without the insanely toned abdominal muscles, they'd never be able to survive the brutal beatings that accompany Muay Thai training without losing a few organs.

Real Muay Thai is a killer's art. The traditional fights allow for maiming and killing as viable means of defeating an opponent. Thus, all old-school MT promotions are essentially restricted pit fights, run by criminals. Sagat was already a criminal before entering Shadoloo, just for that reason.

The pride these warriors have is pretty well justified; they took on opponents who were not required to think about their opponent's safety, and they not only survived, they became champions in their own right. There's a lot of pride that comes with that. All three of them have since progressed beyond what the traditional MT teaches, but that pride in their roots will likely never leave them.

Adon, being a more traditional MT user, demonstrates his pride by applying those old-school Muay Thai techniques to a tournament which has no such restrictions. Granted, he never wins the tournaments, but he's up against the stiffest competition in the world (including his former mentor, Sagat, the Muay Thai Emperor himself) - it's saying a lot that he doesn't get himself killed in action.

Joe Higashi is probably the farthest shot from tradition, as he is seen to not only add straight punches and snap-kicks (which are never used in pure MT), but to be rather crude, vulgar, and careless in battle. (Mooning the opponent...) Yet, his Tiger Kick - a souped-up kao loi, the jumping knee used as a knockout blow - is a clear shot to his roots.

Sagat is the man of the hour, though. He also incorporates some straight punches (jabs, the Tiger Shot, and the Tiger Uppercut among them), and has been known to use high kicks - something rarely done in Muay Thai. His mastery of the Tiger Knee alone is enough to prove his pride in his roots. I'd wager the unconventional additions were, like the Tiger Blow (made to imitate, and hopefully surpass the Shoryuken), created so that he could adapt to the greater challenges in the world circuit.


Seriously, man, old-school Muay Thai warriors take their traditions seriously. You'd never find a traditional MT teacher training a female student.
 

Bjorn

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#21
toraneko said:
I do agree with the contents of your post in full, actually. I was just rooting around for any reason that might be used to get Sakura into some Muay Thai-ness.

And dammit, your descriptions made me wanna go read some good fighting game fics. There aren't any. >_>
 

toraneko

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#22
Well, as long as we're on the same page. I, unfortunately, have to see a fic's premise pass the "make-sense test" before I can really get into it.

I think Sakura might be able to do well if she went the mixed martial arts route. Even better, have her see some of those, note how various styles blended together become incredibly effective, and then she's off to learn as much from as many sources as possible.

In the meantime, I can't help you with finding good fighting game fics (I know of none myself), but I can plug History's Strongest Disciple, Kenichi as some enjoyable fighting-related manga. As tongue-in-cheek and occasionally downright silly as HDSK can get, it still stays more or less true to the combat forms it brings up. With no silly ki-blasts. Some of the fights are damn cool, as well.


...Idea bulb!

Kasugano Sakura training at Ryozanpaku Dojo. Discuss.


GenocideHeart said:
That doesn't explain why one of that Sakura's versions uses Shungokusatsu. Unless she got so pissed she just uses it without knowing WTF she is doing... which would fit her, as sometimes she's not very good at long term planning.
It's not actually Shungokusatsu, but a different thing called "Instant Flash Kill" (can't find the kanji it uses). Dunno what all differences there are, but it's less powerful than the Shungokusatsu, for one thing.

Can't find a video of her performing the move. Grr.
 

zeebee1

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#23
That Sakura, like any version that was actually trained by a world class master, would quickly make her way up to the upper tiers. It would take a while for her to make it to the god tier. But with the proper teachers she'd be good enough to bitch slap people like Akuma and Gill.
 

GenocideHeart

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#24
zeebee1 said:
That Sakura, like any version that was actually trained by a world class master, would quickly make her way up to the upper tiers. It would take a while for her to make it to the god tier. But with the proper teachers she'd be good enough to bitch slap people like Akuma and Gill.
Whuh? Not unless she spends a few decades on it. While she has a lot of talent, remember that most of the God tier characters have similar, if not greater, talent (Gill is entirely self taught, his style was made from the ground up, and Oro speaks for himself, given how he can beat the crap out of Ryu WITH ONE HAND TIED TO HIS BACK).
 
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