Nasuverse Servant class question
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Why not just not give him a Class?
The Classes make the Eirei weaker anyway.
And, I know it's difficult for you to accept, but the 'only Hassan' rule for Assassin only seems to have applied to the Heaven's Feel 1-5, the war on the moon in Fate/Extra has Assassin as the class for master martial artist Lee Shuwen, who was most likely never even in the same country as one of the Hashashin.
The Classes make the Eirei weaker anyway.
And, I know it's difficult for you to accept, but the 'only Hassan' rule for Assassin only seems to have applied to the Heaven's Feel 1-5, the war on the moon in Fate/Extra has Assassin as the class for master martial artist Lee Shuwen, who was most likely never even in the same country as one of the Hashashin.
Kind of, it was sort of stated, and I think it was implied by the shield from The Illiad that what happens was something that you lost with the invention of the printing press, at least part of the issue is. Before the printing press you had oral legend and a bunch of guys copying things from an older copy to a newer copy. With oral legend, some bits are forgotten, so the bard/what have you changes the legend just a bit, or some things are remembered wrong, but the result is the same, and all of them are accepted as the "true" story, because people expect them to remember everything perfectly. In the case of the literature, the monks made mistakes, yes it happens less, but there were still mistakes made. To tie this back to the shield, the story got so crazy and out of the bounds of what the shield actually was, it ceased to be an actual shield at all.
In the case of the weapons, well, they needed a unique weapon to identify with, as well as the bits that are beyond what we could do, as Nairit said. The only character in the Nasuverse who gets to that point with a gun is probably the Gun God, who kills a Type. Types being the ultimate being of a planet, and some of them described as basically throwing around magical nukes like they were nothing. The death of one (killed by Ado Edem with Slash Emperor, not the Gun God) burned an entire continent. The problem with the Gun God is that his gun, the Black Barrel, was designed specifically to kill things like that. So it still doesn't make that jump into being beyond what should be possible. In any case, Ado Edem has a higher kill count, so even if all the other conditions were fulfilled for the beings that left into space, Ado Edem would be the one they told stories about, Gun God would just be a side character in his legend.
In the case of the weapons, well, they needed a unique weapon to identify with, as well as the bits that are beyond what we could do, as Nairit said. The only character in the Nasuverse who gets to that point with a gun is probably the Gun God, who kills a Type. Types being the ultimate being of a planet, and some of them described as basically throwing around magical nukes like they were nothing. The death of one (killed by Ado Edem with Slash Emperor, not the Gun God) burned an entire continent. The problem with the Gun God is that his gun, the Black Barrel, was designed specifically to kill things like that. So it still doesn't make that jump into being beyond what should be possible. In any case, Ado Edem has a higher kill count, so even if all the other conditions were fulfilled for the beings that left into space, Ado Edem would be the one they told stories about, Gun God would just be a side character in his legend.
Nasu subscribes to the "Humans are getting worse as time goes on" philosophy that was popular centuries ago and was the main thing of Christianity. Kind of contradicted by Angel Notes, but they aren't even human at that point. Anyway, that was a huge point in Caster's spells and Gilgamesh's personality. Caster can cast spells with a single word, something that the genius magi Rin CANNOT do; no modern magi can. Even if you managed to get in, you would be a fucking pansy. Archer only had mediocre stats because he sold his soul.
Also: the thing about the weapon souls doesn't really make sense to me.
EDIT: Fate/Extra is not the same thing! It's something completely different. It is one of those game within game things.
Also: the thing about the weapon souls doesn't really make sense to me.
EDIT: Fate/Extra is not the same thing! It's something completely different. It is one of those game within game things.
It's not that humans are getting worse as much as they are getting less magical. After all, technologically speaking we're a lot better off, and it's probably reasonable to say that we're more "civilised", mostly (we don't sell each other into slavery any more, for instance...). But, because of the larger number of people around, each one has fewer magic circuits, and all the things that lead to heroes are now basically gone, so we don't have any of them either.
Nope, humans are getting worse. Again, think back to what Gilgamesh said. Our individual worth has diminished. It's not just a matter of magic. In Gil's times, according to him, everyone played a specific role and he couldn't kill off any of his laborers for whatever reason he had in that example he gave. He needed all of them. Now? You could probably train to enter the same role as someone else, and while you, personally, wouldn't be the same; it would be possible to get the same performance, or close to it. From this standpoint, the point that Gilgamesh had, humans are entirely expendable now just because there are so many.
EDIT: It's also not a matter of being civilized, though that was most likely part of the Christian belief. In any case, that actually proves my point. Look at how much more powerful a person with magic can be to your average joe. In this way as well, humans are worse. Worse in strength and ability.
EDIT: It's also not a matter of being civilized, though that was most likely part of the Christian belief. In any case, that actually proves my point. Look at how much more powerful a person with magic can be to your average joe. In this way as well, humans are worse. Worse in strength and ability.