Nasuverse Some questions

[Liam-don]

I'm writing a F/SN AU and I'm trying to make it good.That means actually understanding what I'm writing about .So I hope the people here can give me some answers.

- Archer tracing is imperfect ,so for every copy he makes the quality of the weapons is less that the one before, so how about Kansho and Bakuya ?Even if Archer posseses the original ,the way he used them against Berserker makes me think he already Traced them a bunch of times .

-Can Ea destroy the world ?

-Can somebody else but the owner can use a Noble Phantasm? Assuming you can, would the NP stay in the material world after the death of the servant ?

 

[Fatuous One]

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[ttestagr]

Remember that in Caliburn's case, Shirou can't use the full power one on his own. He was able to use an inferior copy to take off Berserker's arm, but when he managed his superior copy he needed Saber to use it. I assumed that it was the same case against Gil, he traced the inferior so he could actually use it. Not that it really matters in that case as Gil had the legend that spawned the legend that spawned Caliburn, and the decendant legend can't beat the predecessor.

 

[Liam-don]

Thanks for the answer .While I'm at it , here's another one.If two Servants get it on would they replenish their mana ?

 

[ttestagr]

My assumption is that one would be able to refill the other, but I am no where near sure. A link between the two parties might actually be necessary.

edit: Actually, they don't have any link, Assasin is bound to Ryudou.

 

[Fatuous One]

???

 

[Liam-don]

Oh, I see , So Shirou's tracing doesn't have a second nerf , that's a good news . ^_^


Another thing, When Shirou is inside UBW ,does he still need to spend mana to trace weapons?

 

[Mereo Flere]

http://fuyuki.pbwiki.com/Spells#UnlimitedBladeWorks

Reading through that, I believe that the traced weapons don't get weaker each time they're traced. As long as the image is the same in Shirou's and Archer's minds, the quality itself should be the same each time they're projected.

Making a fake weapon but having its original master use it is one way for the weapon to become "real", is one possible way of thinking about it.

The reason why Caliburn was stronger in the battle against Berserker than against Gilgamesh might not be because it was the first time it was traced, or because it was up against Merodach. It was because Saber, Caliburn's original wielder, used it in that battle, and not the second.

It makes sense, after all. Think about Rho Aias. When Shirou uses it, he can only access up to four of the petals; we can assume that when Archer originally traced it, given his lesser talent with anything other than weapons, there was a similar result. As it is the only defensive NP that Archer has talent with, he probably practiced tracing it multiple times, which would normally weaken the NP itself, not strengthen it.

Or something.

As for creating weapons in UBW...

It apparently takes Prana to recreate something that was destroyed, or something that wasn't there when UBW was originally expanded. However, when it is expanded, you can see that plenty of weapons are already there; those don't cost any prana to pick up and use at all.

 

[GaelicDragon]

About Caliburn...

What if Tracing created an inferior weapon due to the fact that the weapon could be considered hollow. When Saber helped Sirou use Caliburn against Berserker, she filled it with her mana. The traced weapon gave the mana focus, the mana gave the trace strength.

 

[fuyu]

Reading through that, I believe that the traced weapons don't get weaker each time they're traced. As long as the image is the same in Shirou's and Archer's minds, the quality itself should be the same each time they're projected.

I believe that it states on fuyuki that traced weapons are one rank lower than the original weapon. I've never read that the more a weapon is traced, the weaker each consecutive copy is. If that were true, than Kanshou and Byakuya would become incredibly weak, seeing how Archer favors them heavily, tracing multiple copies to use at the same time.

It makes sense, after all. Think about Rho Aias. When Shirou uses it, he can only access up to four of the petals; we can assume that when Archer originally traced it, given his lesser talent with anything other than weapons, there was a similar result. As it is the only defensive NP that Archer has talent with, he probably practiced tracing it multiple times, which would normally weaken the NP itself, not strengthen it.

Shirou/Archer spend up to 5x the amount of prana usually needed because tracing defensive NP's are not their forte.

 

[Mereo Flere]

I believe that it states on fuyuki that traced weapons are one rank lower than the original weapon. I've never read that the more a weapon is traced, the weaker each consecutive copy is.? If that were true, than Kanshou and Byakuya would become incredibly weak, seeing how Archer favors them heavily, tracing multiple copies to use at the same time.

That's pretty much what I meant. I never meant to imply they would be the same quality as the original weapon; just that each time they're traced, they're the same quality as Shirou and Archer's image. ^^;

It's an idea that some people on this board have had that tracing a weapon makes it weaker each time. It's one that was brought about by the whole "Caliburn is weaker in Gilgamesh Fight than in Berserker". Some read it as "Every time a weapon is traced, it's weaker than the previous copy", rather than coming up with the explanation that "Saber not using Caliburn made it weaker since it wasn't in her hands."

Shirou/Archer spend up to 5x the amount of prana usually needed because tracing defensive NP's are not their forte.

Already knew that, honestly, and I wasn't trying to argue it.

What I tried to point out is that practicing it (and therefore, tracing it multiple times) would make it weaker by the "Every New Trace=Weaker NP" rather than make it stronger, which can't be the case with Rho Aias.