Ranma ½ Technique Ascendant

Jomasten

Well-Known Member
#1
This is a particularly nasty idea worm that's been eating at me for a LONG time. It's haunted my dreams, it's invaded my actions, and it's stuck to my head like a barnacle, and I seem to cross anything and everything to it.

This is also, I am not ashamed to say and warn you, a SUPER!Ranma, SUPER!Akane, and surprisingly, SUPER!Konatsu idea.

You can all flame me after this is done, but I don't care; I can finally have slight peace of mind once this is posted. Which might mean this is the start of me FIANLLY throwing out all the, admittedly epic, ideas that have been plaguing my imagination.

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A somewhat common fanon that I've occasionally seen was that Genma discovered how much both the Yamasenken and Umisenken do NOT mix with each other, as atested to the destruction of the Kumon family dojo, and tried to develop a third Style that ATTEMPTS to be a transition between the two. What I have not yet seen is Ranma developing said Third Style, after Mastering the First Two, entirely behind his father's back. Which leads to a divergent point in that he learns about the first two Senkens, then develops his own third style, SUCCEEDS, then proceeds to improve the Yama-Sen-Ken, the Umi-Sen-Ken, and the Sora-Sen-Ken. Like I said, while entirely doing this behind his father's back.

When Genma developed the Yama and the Umi, he incorporated manners of Thievery into each style as a base. In a strange reversal, Ranma's Sora-Sen-Ken starts integrating into each and every one of his actions, the sticking point being that his Style IS NOT based off of the Principles of Thievery prolifically present in Yama and Umi, but the principles of the Art subtly hidden within both.

It would be obvious at this point, to the readers, that the Three Arts are transcending beyond something other than martial arts. And the revelation MIGHT.JUST.SHATTER.THE.HEAVENS.

Ranma doesn't notice this, until two months AFTER canon begins, when Ranma first learns that Akane could not swim. He noticed that she was forcing the water to will, especially when water is an independent thing and could not be forced to anyone's whims. This is all the more noticeable when Akane very much obviously using her amazing strength.

The ocean, he once noted during his travels, about after he finished his Third Art, was virtually a Titanic culmination of all the stubborness of the water, with the strength to back it up if need be. Those that 'master' its waters are only able to do so because they worked with the water, not force it to their will. That was why the creatures, and even the people, only ride its waves and currents to their advantage, not make their own by going against it. The wind was also very much the same thing, one part of his brain asided.

In a surge of ICness, Ranma calls Akane on this. Akane, easily insulted, turns to smack him for slighting her capabilites again. Then, in a surge of OOCness, Ranma does not take kindly to her blowing off his insult-free advice, and catches the strike, stunning everyone within the vicinity, and practically hisses at her that if she wants to be a better martial artist, she needed to listen, to those better than her, and even those that are less skilled than her. Akane, confused, does not take insult to a non-existant slight on her skills, as not per usual, even as she watched Ranma walk away.

Still many more months later, after Konatsu arrives (did she/he come before OR after Nodoka in the manga?), Ranma had taken to hanging out in rather tall spaces, prominently such as the large chimney of the bathhouses. He kept noting about the air currents, how they swirl and ebb to and away from him. He had also taken a habit of cloud-watching, and noticed how the clouds were slowly shaped by the winds up their. He then takes out three rather large scrolls, each individually marked, one saying 'Yama-Dai'o-Ken', another 'Umi-Dai'o-Ken', and the third one 'Sora-Dai'o-Ken'. He takes the third one out and stores the other two somewhere. He then takes out a brush-and-inkwell/pen/pencil/writing implement, and focuses his attention on his Third Art.

That is how Akane found him: eyes looking into a scroll as he wrote on it now and then, then occcasionally looks up into the sky, before turning back to the scroll.

Things happen, and, depending if anyone decides Konatsu came earlier than Nodoka, Ryu Kumon as Ranma Saotome arrives, everyone discovers that Genma created the Yama and the Umi, then discover that Ranma already mastered the two, and created his own third style, the Sora. The Kumon fight goes ENTIRELY differently.

This is where the idea starts becoming murky, as more things happen, Akane swallows her pride, and asks Ranma to teach her one of the scrolls he was sometimes seen writing on, Ranma gives her the Umi-Dai'o-Ken scroll, and, after some token protest from his fiancee, shoos her off to try to train by herself.

Now the reason I was asking about Konatsu is that I decided to make him/her as the one to learn the Yama-Dai'o-Ken scroll. I don't know why. Don't call me on this.

Then the idea starts a Montage, with Ranma bent on mastering the Sora, Akane discovering things she never knew as she studies and masters the Umi, while Konatsu digs through the dirt, understanding the ways of the earth through the Yama. Of course, they decide to train FAR, FAR, AWAY. Coincidentally, the mountain that Ranma is climbing on was beside the ocean that Akane was swimming/drowning (at first) from, which was near the underground tunnel that Konatsu was digging in. So during their breaks in training, the three bond together, and ultimately becomes good friends, Ranma and Akane happily declaring that they don't like each other as fiance/fiancee, but like each other as a friend.

The Montage continues, and after some undetermined amount of time, all three finally manage to Master the Dai'o-Kens, and get really cool billowy scarves for it, as well as some nifty bonuses. Ranma's is red with 100 feathers from 100 different birds attached to it. Akane's is blue, with beautiful gem-like corals, pearls and shells adorning it. Konatsu's is yellow, with some actual gems studding it.

Now, I am NOT ashamed to admit, this results in them virtually being able to Element Bend, ala Avatar: Ranma can tell the different conditions in the air, manipulate his scarf into a pair of wings, has nice control over air, AND can fly; Akane is now ABLE to swim, has graceful control over water, AND can manipulate her scarf into something she could ride waves on, AKA a surfboard, which goes well in that she just became a mean surfer; Konatsu, who, Akane and Ranma were rather disturbed to discover during their training, is now more feminine than ever, which is rather opposite to her sharp control over earth, can basically use an underground sonar to look ahead and around her, AND could manipulate her scarf to burrow under the ground and attack from below, or transform into a form of treaded transportaion.

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DONE! DONE! DEAR GOD, I FINALLY GOT IT OUT OF MY HEAD! It's not going to bug for awhile now! FREEDOM! FREEDOM!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! :evil2: :evil2: :evil2:


HAHAHA...! *falls over* :rip1:
 

Prince Charon

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#2
Interesting concept.
 
#3
Konatsu joined the cast very late in the manga, just before Nodoka finally learned of the curse.
 

Jomasten

Well-Known Member
#4
Whew, recovering a bit, since after I finished typing that, I got a nosebleed, probably from thinking about it too much. Now I just woke up with a bit of a migraine.

Prince Charon: Thank you, I'm happy I'm not the only one (anymore) who thinks so. :D

TNF: Thanks for clearing that up. The details were getting a bit messed up, since I haven't read Ranma in awhile.
 
#5
Akane learning to control water and swim would be amusing since she can barely float even assisted. The manga has multiple stories related to that; Principal Kuno tries to teach her in at least one story, maybe two, and I think Miss Hinako got in on the act as well in another late-manga story.

As for Konatsu...eh, I'm not sure earth really fits him as a ninja. Ninja are supposed to be subtle and invisible; direct, obvious action means they've failed. Earth is neither subtle nor invisible; just take a look at earthquakes, mudslides, etc. If you want to have this be Avatar:TLA-style manipulation, I'd think Konatsu should be air.


The real issue I have with this is that Ranma is trying to do this covertly, without Genma's help or even his permission and knowledge. Genma and Ranma train together and work together actively; they go on training trips together, and Ranma has sought his aid at times when it comes to advanced techniques. Beyond that, the Thousand Sea and Thousand Mountain were Genma's own inventions. Not including Genma in the process of trying to improve on his own creations just seems like an act of silly, petty spite (and authorial fiat). Which isn't beyond Ranma, certainly, but this level of it? I don't know about that.

More to the point...I'm not sure Ranma would have ever learned of the Thousand Sea and Thousand Mountain's existence if Ryu hadn't shown up. Genma left the Thousand Sea scroll with Nodoka, with instructions to dispose of it or destroy it. And if Ryu's father hadn't been a dumbass and fatally pulled his dojo down on top of himself, Ryu wouldn't have gone in search of the Thousand Sea. That would have left Ranma with no idea that the techniques ever existed. What I'm guessing is that the Ryu arc proceeded as normal, but later on, Ranma starts learning what he can of the Thousand Mountain, taking what he knows of the Thousand Sea, and then works on creating the enhanced versions of both as well as the third style (Thousand Sky?). But again, see above. The first two schools were Genma's creation, and Ranma and Genma train together actively. I don't like that this is shutting Genma out of an attempt at finishing his own masterpiece. I don't like that AT ALL. :no:

More comments later, maybe.
 

Jomasten

Well-Known Member
#6
I told you, don't call me out on this. The fact I know Ranma, by all rights, shouldn't even know of the Yama's and Umi's existance UNTIL the Kumon fights, is a large stickling point. It was also the reason I did not post this here before, like, 2 years ago.

In fact, don't call me out on the Texas-sized plot holes. You're own plot works a bit better.

And except for a few rare ones out there, I never really liked Genma enough that I did this. Chalk it up to being infected by the general fanon, where he steals as he pleases, and is generally cruel where it matters. That and I generally like a slightly more independent Ranma. So, going with that, yes, I like the fact that Genma is out of the loop from his own art.

Konatsu learning the ascended Yama was just as weird to me as it was to you. I would have preferred she learn Sora as well, but I already stuck that to Ranma.

(That, and call them the Three Monarchs of Earth, Sky, and Mountain when they receive their Really Cool Scarves. B) )

I also tried to justify in that Akane brutes her way through trying to swim, when she should be WORKING with water instead of forcing it.

NINJA EDIT:
Besides, why couldn't Ranma just STEAL the techniques, hmm? Genma (as I'm infected by fanon) has no problems doing so, so why can't Ranma from him?
 
#7
So, if you don't actually want help with this idea in an attempt to improve it...why did you post it in the first place? Was it only catharsis? That seems to be what you're implying.

Since you've now stated you don't like Genma and actively want to cut him out and support what you admit is fanon, which makes this essentially a bashing exercise, I guess I should just cut and run. Bashing fics entertain me less and less these days.

One more thing, though I don't know why I'm bothering...

Konatsu learning the ascended Yama was just as weird to me as it was to you. I would have preferred she learn Sora as well, but I already stuck that to Ranma.
Konatsu is not a girl. He's a boy. Trained to dress and act like a girl, yes, but not actually BEING one. Not even part time, as in Ranma's curse state.
 

Jomasten

Well-Known Member
#8
Sorry, I just usually stick with he for Konatsu, or do he/she.

Fine, fine, sorry again. It's for both relieving myself on this idea, as well as opening it to everyone. Right there in the sub-text, it's an open idea. I'll hold onto mine, while you people come up with a much better plot.

Since you've now stated you don't like Genma and actively want to cut him out and support what you admit is fanon, which makes this essentially a bashing exercise (), I don't have any time for that. Bashing fics entertain me less and less these days.
OH... So is it a good thing I didn't really type in the much worse plans I had in store for him? :ph43r:

NINJA EDIT:

Besides, I wasn't actually looking for anyone to look at anything in the plot. I just forgot to ask just what you think about the concept.
 

Latewave

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#9
...

I've read this before.

In a fic.

A poorly written one.

Word for word.

Even the Sora-sen-ken.
 

Jomasten

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#10
REALLY?!

WHAT?

WHEN?!
 

Latewave

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#11
Yes, but I'm not sure where I read it. It was odd. About a year ago.
 

Jomasten

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#12
Links soon, plox.

It would be depressing that I've been thinking about this idea for 2 years, when someone already did it.
 

Latewave

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#13
Like I said. I'm not even sure where I read it. I just remember the part.
 

Anonguy

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#14
I don't see the point in all this except your traditional authorial biases running amok on canon while singing the praises of the fanon they like. Mind, if you can make it interesting for someone other than yourself, then it isn't so bad.

But this is mainly a worthless bashing fic by someone who apparently is still hurt in the hind region over certain things not happening as they saw them too.

So that salvageable bit of good will has been shot through the head and is cruelly being violated. I'll pass, but thanks for posting? I don't think that's quite right.
 

Jomasten

Well-Known Member
#15
Huh. Thought we already closed this matter, unless lightwave finally found the fic this idea (supposedly) originally came from?

The fact that I'm only generating ideas based on my own opinions, and my own following of whatever fanon, I don't really care for much for what you do. I'm admittedly an amateur writer, who WILL make and HAS made mistakes; that's why you will rarely see me, if ever, try to make a fleshed out story, my earlier works in FFnet notwithstanding. If I had actually written this, writer's block permitting, I would have just written myself into a corner.

I just wanted opinions, and I got it. Now, being a negative person that I am, I'll entrust you people with coming up with a far better, more neutral but agreeable plot, without any biased opinions.
 
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