Nasuverse The Arsenal of Nod

Aires Drake

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#1
So, I got a favorable response in the Central Ideas thread here, so I decided to bring this story to TFF. I only have the prologue typed up so far, because I only saw the anime of Fate/Stay Night and I understand that the anime version isn't exactly highly-thought of by most fans of the games. So, any help on various events of F/SN games or routes would be greatly appreciated by me.

Without further stalling by me, here's the prologue!

The Arsenal of Nod 00: The Flames of Rebirth

Disclaimer: I don't own the Command & Conquer universes or the Nasuverse. If nothing else about those fictional areas, know that.

A darkly-dressed man stood in the midst of silent yet horrific devastation with a small group of black-garbed men and women standing a few meters behind, warily keeping their senses trained on their surroundings for any threat directed towards their leader. An observer could almost be excused for wondering why a group of yakuza thugs and their 'big brother' might be in Fuyuki City. That is, if being excused means a bullet through the head or chest, which is what had happened to half of a dozen observers already.

He breathed in deeply, taking in the vivid scents of the land touched by a raging storm of fire just recently. While the men and women who had survived or been miraculously spared by the storm would be told a convenient lie to conceal the fire's cause from the human desire to know why, he knew its true cause. He knew as much about it as he knew about the events that would unfold in the next century on this unassuming and ignorant planet.

The man reflected on the Fourth Holy Grail War, it was such an amusing and innocent name for such a violent conflict that took advantage of several human flaws and sins. Truly, it would take someone who was almost a saint or just plain ignorant of the world' darker sides to end such a long-running competition. Of course, he could hardly think about the conflict without considering its primary backers and how they factored into how his plans would unfold in a few short years. The Mage Association and the Church's supernatural forces would fail to be significant factors once his grand plan for humanity's evolution and enlightenment began. However, he had made certain not to discount their influence of the mundane aspects of humanity for the first few decades until they too crumbled beneath the staggering weight of the transforming mineral upon the world. After all, he of all men or women knew the potency of knowledge and charisma wielded as a weapon against the ignorant masses of the destitute across the world.

As the minutes began to stretch into an hour, the man's bodyguards began to fidget just slightly, causing the formation of a dark smile over the man's face. He did enjoy so the discomfort of his subordinates when he left them to their own devices but still under his supervision. Just before one of his lieutenants gathered up the blasphemous courage to ask his Messiah's reason for coming to this wasteland, an odd sound reached the ears of the men and women present. It was the scratching of rubble scraping against other rubble as it tumbled down and off a nearby pile of debris in the majestic grip of gravity until it could travel downward no longer.

As one, his guards moved swiftly forward to protect their leader's flanks from this sudden sign of a possible attack. Several raised their rifles to train on where the rubble had originated from, only to lower their weapons at the subtle gesture from the Messiah for them to relax but remain aware of other threats. As the bald man walked purposely forward and up the pile of debris, he saw the cause of the sudden fall of the rubble from its position. The cause was the small, burnt hand of a child which had somehow dislodged the concealing debris over it, evoking an almost-pleasant and paternal smile from the bald man. It was indeed a touching sight for even him, despite the series of horrific wars he had planned to unleash upon the people of Earth. As he knelt beside the heart-gripping sight, he could now hear the pathetically weak sounds of occasional whimpering and movement beneath the rubble. The bald man motioned over two of his female guards to join him in uncovering whoever this survivor might be.

When at last the child had been exposed to the air, the boy had screamed out his horrific pain as his many wounds and deep burns were exposed to the harsh winds that still swept over the area. Soon, the boy had stopped from the lack of strength and energy to cry anymore, and he looked up at his three saviors with eyes lined by great trails of salt and burnt flesh. Interestingly, much of the child's brilliant red hair had survived whatever trials that had marked the rest of his body. More to the point, the man and his two assistants noticed that some of the boy's lesser wounds were already in the process of sealing up before their eyes.

The man smiled genially at the boy and spoke softly to him, "Hello, my son. Arise from your grave and cast aside the marks of your imprisonment."

The boy stared blankly back at the man, lacking any comprehension of what had been said to him beyond the first three words. His attempts at speaking came out hesitatingly and weakly at first but gained strength quickly. "A-Ar...Are you my father?"

The back of the bald man's head already had begun rapidly considering this new factor into his plans before calculating that taking on the boy would have no adverse effects upon them and could even improve the execution of them, if the glimmer of power he could feel from the child was indeed the mark of human magecraft within his body and mind. This child could become an agent to possibly bring the assets of the Mage Association to his side within an acceptable time-frame for such an event to be in his. He might even be able to raise the boy here in this city and enable the child to court the children of the city's influential mage families to further his cause to a greater level yet! And perhaps, just possibly, the boy could become an acceptable replacement and heir for himself during the periods of the bald man's plans that called for the disappearance of himself.

Outwardly, the man continued smiling at the boy as he replied, "If you would have me as your father, then certainly my son. I ask only one small thing from you in return: What is your name, my child?"

A minute spark of life within the boy's chest at that time began to grow once more; he once more had a family. This man would would be his father, and perhaps these women with his father could be his aunts or sisters, or even mothers! To a child who had survived such horrors as this boy had, the trivialities no longer mattered! He Had A Family! Finally, the boy smiled back to the bald man who had now picked him up to carry the boy to the location where the man and his associates were currently staying. "My name...is Shirou."

The man smiled back even greater than before the boy, Shirou, as he continued to cradle him against his chest. The boy squirmed a small bit to get comfortable. Just before the boy gave into the sweet healing arms of Morpheus, the man spoke once more. "And my own name is Kane...My son, Shirou."


-And, cut. If you got this far, then yes, Kane is going to adopt Shirou. How that works out will be an interesting story to tell, even before I get to the actual events of Fate/Stay Night. Also, fun fact: If the events of the Fifth Holy Grail War take place in the year 2004, which is when it's published, then the events of Tiberium Dawn will take place between the Fourth and Fifth Grail War. Should be fun.
 

Cherry_lover

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OK. Well, I know nothing about C&C, or about Kane, so I can't really comment on that part of the fic, but I can help to a certain extent with the FSN sections. It depends a lot on what you intend to do. Firstly, I would have to ask how exactly Shirou stayed alive here. Does Kane have some way to keep him alive without Avalon, or did Kiritsugu find him, give him Avalon and then leave him buried underneath a pile of rubble (which seems somewhat unlikely...)? If it's the first (which seems like it's the case, since Kiritsugu isn't mentioned in any way here), then Shirou wouldn't end up summoning Saber, since Avalon acts as a catalyst, and in order to compete in the war Kane would probably have to find a catalyst for him.

Another thing which I suspect you will find very difficult to get right without having played the game is Sakura. Shirou had a huge effect on her life. He was basically the only thing that allowed her to regain her humanity after Zouken's abuse. So, unless you intend for him to remain in Fuyuki and somehow still meet her (which is pretty difficult in itself, since he met her as an indirect result of Kiritsugu's death), she will be rather different here. Without him around, she would have remained as an emotionless doll in order to shut herself off from the tortures that Zouken was putting her through, and judging by what she says in HF, she was somewhat bitter at the world (as a result of her mistreatment) prior to meeting him (she watched him attempting to jump over a high-jump bar hoping he'd get discouraged, but when he didn't that caused her (and Rin...) to admire his strength and dedication), although given how awful Sakura's self-image is and how nice she is as a person, it's unlikely that she genuinely wished to see other people getting truly hurt. Nevertheless, without Shirou around, it's likely that she wouldn't have the will to go against Zouken by refusing to fight in the war, and thus she would compete as the master of Rider. This would likely result in the eventual emergence of Dark Sakura, and thus that whole situation would have to be dealt with.

Actually watching Kane go up against Zouken might be interesting, because from what I can tell of Kane they're similar in that they both have a goal that they don't care who they have hurt to achieve, although from my (very limited) knowledge of C&C I believe that Kane is more of a Well-Intentioned Extremist (his goal isn't entirely selfish), whereas Zouken's (current) wish is solely to achieve immortality, and he couldn't care less about anyone else. But, if you were thinking of doing something that just follows the anime (which is what I expect), Sakura's situation will have to be dealt with in some way, because Rider under Sakura is a lot stronger than Rider under Shinji, and if she is willing to fight she'll likely end up absorbing the servants and usurping Ilya's place as the lesser grail.
 

Kibbles

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#3
Aires Drake said:
I only have the prologue typed up so far, because I only saw the anime of Fate/Stay Night and I understand that the anime version isn't exactly highly-thought of by most fans of the games.
You really should (eventually) try the game. It's actually rather good, but it eats time like you wouldn't believe. Also, it can cause depression.

If you got this far, then yes, Kane is going to adopt Shirou.? How that works out will be an interesting story to tell, even before I get to the actual events of Fate/Stay Night.? Also, fun fact: If the events of the Fifth Holy Grail War take place in the year 2004, which is when it's published, then the events of Tiberium Dawn will take place between the Fourth and Fifth Grail War.? Should be fun.
Should be fun indeed. The timeline for the IVth War is early to mid nineties, with 1994 being a relatively popular choice, so yeah. Two thousand and four is as good a guess as any other.


Right, so comments:

Grammar's good, structure's fine. Plot, hmm, please read the following:

As Cherry_lover above mentioned, Shirou only survived because Kiritsugu gave him Avalon (that's where his regeneration comes from). So you might want to mention Kiritsugu's fate (if nothing else, the fact that he died trying to save Shirou or something).

That's about the only (relatively minor) issue I've noticed.

Other than that, I really want to see where this is going.
 

Aires Drake

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And this was Exactly the sort of feedback I was hoping for: the informative posters who know plenty about things I don't know well or at all.

In regards to Avalon, Shirou does NOT have it in this story, since his survival will be contingent upon the medical aid that Kane can call upon plus whatever crazy tricks Kane has (such as regenerating half of his face or surviving an I-beam, or something like that, through the torso). And yes, this could mean that Shirou will summon someone different for this war, since both his base personality will be different and he'll be lacking Avalon. There might not be the Saber that we all, mostly, know and love present in this story like she was in the routes of Fate/Stay Night.

As for Sakura, you brought up some good points that I'm going to need to think out quite a bit better than I originally expected.

One thing that my research for this story had provided is that the First Tiberium War ends in 2002 with the death of Kane by Ion Cannon, two years before the events of the Fifth Holy Grail War, which gives me quite a few options to work with, story-wise. Kane is presumed dead at the end of the three Tiberium Wars, so for him to show up during the Fifth Holy Grail War after he has presumably caused problems for the Mage Association and the Church, to name two non-mundane groups, would be a Huge Deal. I think I might write out the events of F/SN as Kane's test for Shirou to prove his worth to succeed him. However, this wouln't prevent the mysterious Commander of Nod campaign missions from making one or more appearances or being a mentor to Shirou.

You know, I'm going to need to add these points to my Brainstorming document in Word now, and then start fleshing out these ideas further. Thanks for the pointers!
 

Cherry_lover

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#5
Kibbles said:
You really should (eventually) try the game. It's actually rather good, but it eats time like you wouldn't believe.
Yeah, I'd second this. You should play the game. It's damn hard to write a good FSN fic without doing so, for one thing, and it's damn well worth playing, even if it is pretty long.

Also, it can cause depression.
I can't see how he can write this without coming across all the depressing stuff, really.

Should be fun indeed. The timeline for the IVth War is early to mid nineties, with 1994 being a relatively popular choice, so yeah. Two thousand and four is as good a guess as any other.
2004 is the generally accepted date for the events of FSN to happen, since that's when it came out, and it's almost certainly somewhere around that time (I believe that 2003 and 2002 have also been suggested). Since it's not known, there's nothing to stop him choosing the date as he sees fit.

As Cherry_lover above mentioned, Shirou only survived because Kiritsugu gave him Avalon (that's where his regeneration comes from). So you might want to mention Kiritsugu's fate (if nothing else, the fact that he died trying to save Shirou or something).
Well, it is possible that Shirou could have survived without Avalon, given sufficient medical care. However, if he does that, then Saber won't show up, no matter what happens later. So, given that I assume he wants Saber there (although I'd imagine that Kane would want to provide Shirou with another catalyst if he intends for him to be involved in the war), he needs Avalon.

The other thing that I do think he'll struggle with (as I said) is Sakura, simply because it's very easy to mis-characterise her if you haven't played the game even without removing Shirou from the equation (which complicates things a hell of a lot).

Other than that, I really want to see where this is going.
Yeah, this could be interesting. Like I said, I don't know much about C&C, though....

Anyway, I suspect he would be able to get more help with the plotting if he explained what he intended to do, so that those of us who have played the game can point out where he is failing to follow game canon.

Aires Drake said:
And yes, this could mean that Shirou will summon someone different for this war, since both his base personality will be different and he'll be lacking Avalon.
If he lacks Avalon, he won't summon Saber.

One thing that my research for this story had provided is that the First Tiberium War ends in 2002 with the death of Kane by Ion Cannon, two years before the events of the Fifth Holy Grail War, which gives me quite a few options to work with, story-wise.á Kane is presumed dead at the end of the three Tiberium Wars, so for him to show up during the Fifth Holy Grail War after he has presumably caused problems for the Mage Association and the Church, to name two non-mundane groups, would be a Huge Deal.
Well, I'd imagine it would work better if Kane is dead. With him alive, I can't see anything other than a bad end, whereas with him dead Shirou might just decide that the lives of his new-found friends are more important than following Kane's ideal.

As for the Grail War itself, I'd imagine that the Grail would be immensely useful to a group like NOD (like I said, my knowledge of C&C is virtually zero, so I'm not sure). The main question to me is whether Kane can convince Shirou to follow in his footsteps, which isn't something I can answer without knowing exactly what Kane wants, and whether he's acting in what he considers to be the good of the world, or if he's purely self-interested.
 

Kibbles

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Aires Drake said:
As for Sakura, you brought up some good points that I'm going to need to think out quite a bit better than I originally expected.
NOD was always, first and foremost, a religious movement and a rather popular one at that. It's initial boom was after Tiberium's appearance and it's growth continued roughly parallel to the crystal's spread, but it existed before Tiberium popped up.

All religions have both a public and a humanitarian face. It wouldn't be unusual for Shirou to come into contact with others and be seen as a genuinely good person (in spite of tragedy in his life) by helping out. Contact could come through that angle.
 

Cherry_lover

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Kibbles said:
All religions have both a public and a humanitarian face. It wouldn't be unusual for Shirou to come into contact with others and be seen as a genuinely good person (in spite of tragedy in his life) by helping out. Contact could come through that angle.
I don't see how that could lead to Sakura falling for him in the same way, or to her becoming less doll-like, and I certainly don't see that as being enough to give her the courage to refuse to fight. She might see him once or twice, but what made her fall for him was not his kindness (initially), but his sheer determination, which would be unlikely to be in evidence if she met him through his actions with NOD. Plus, she's very unlikely to have visited his house, since he's not in Fuyuki.

In any case, Zouken wouldn't be likely to allow her to go anywhere near a group like NOD, and I'd imagine that magi in general would be pretty dismissive of them as a group.
 

Kibbles

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Cherry_lover said:
I don't see how that could lead to Sakura falling for him in the same way, or to her becoming less doll-like, and I certainly don't see that as being enough to give her the courage to refuse to fight. She might see him once or twice, but what made her fall for him was not his kindness (initially), but his sheer determination, which would be unlikely to be in evidence if she met him through his actions with NOD. Plus, she's very unlikely to have visited his house, since he's not in Fuyuki.
Medic during Tiberium War I, part of the relief effort after the 'evil GDI' (really, NOD) ionizes Fuyuki? A kid working under enemy fire, trying to save people.

The first war was one of propaganda with false flag operations aplenty. Arguably, it worked, given that NOD gained a lot of power and influence.
 

Aires Drake

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#9
Kibbles said:
NOD was always, first and foremost, a religious movement and a rather popular one at that. It's initial boom was after Tiberium's appearance and it's growth continued roughly parallel to the crystal's spread, but it existed before Tiberium popped up.

All religions have both a public and a humanitarian face. It wouldn't be unusual for Shirou to come into contact with others and be seen as a genuinely good person (in spite of tragedy in his life) by helping out. Contact could come through that angle.
I honestly hadn't thought of that. Then again, I haven't devoted as much energy and time into this story as I have into another F/SN crossover that's also in the works although I'm using a different means of storytelling for that story with MUCH less dialogue in contrast to this story.

According to several sites I've checked, including the C&C wiki, Tiberium arrives in 1995 and GDI is formed in October of that year. The war between Nod and GDI doesn't begin until approximately 1999, which gives me about five years of 'peacetime' before major hostilities erupt.

For the overall plot, I'm not entirely certain where or how I'm going to take this story. It's going to depend largely in how I handle the Kane-Shirou interactions and possibly elements of events going on world-wide or back in Fuyuki. I'm also going to have fun handling the formation of GDI and Nod's emergence as its opposing counterpart, since Kane is one of the main characters and that conflict of ideas and even theologies will play a big part in how his story meshes with my overall narrative.

An idea I've had is Shirou possibly being a public face/image of a corporation that is supporting Nod forces before and during TW1, but it is shut down following that war.

Another is where he literally is with Kane for the majority of C&C: Tiberium Dawn, right up until the Ion Cannon strike on Sarajevo and Temple Prime, which is when Kane might send Shirou back to Fuyuki. The lead-up for those series of events interests me a bit more than the other route, since it's also a bit more believable, to me at least. Then, there's the culture shock issue that will work on Shirou in Fuyuki, plus the new set of grief and/or depression for losing his father-figure who pulled him out of Death's grasp.

That's just two of my current ideas floating about in my head for getting through the events of Tiberium Dawn. I've begun to make a rough road map for the five years or so before those events. The events after TW1 but before F/SN's events and routes will play a crucial role in how Shirou will face this conflict and how he interacts with its cast. I know for certainty that Ilya will not have any feelings of mercy towards Shirou because he was NOT adopted by Kiritsugu. The initial story of F/SN in this will be the wrap-up of the prior storylines and the obvious introduction to a world that Shirou will be forewarned about, thanks to Kane. I might end up having to plot an entirely new course through the Masters and Servant of the Fifth Holy Grail War.

And wow at my ADD going to town on my thought processes.

EDIT: And now Kibbles have given me another possible direction for the story to take. Perhaps I should introduce a few more Asian Theater operations by both the Brotherhood and GDI's response units? It's one thing to call the events of F/SN a war. It's whole other dimension of conflict for urban warfare to take place in Japan, with a possible focus on Fuyuki. Perhaps the Mage Association will align itself with Kane and Nod to combat oppressive measures taken by the Church? That could show some promise....
 

Cherry_lover

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Kibbles said:
Medic during Tiberium War I, part of the relief effort after the 'evil GDI' (really, NOD) ionizes Fuyuki? A kid working under enemy fire, trying to save people.

The first war was one of propaganda with false flag operations aplenty. Arguably, it worked, given that NOD gained a lot of power and influence.
I just don't see Shirou having an influence on her just by being a medic in an army. Plus, as Kane's adopted son, there's no way in hell he'd be in such a position, especially as a child. Kane would be training him for leadership, and that means not putting him on such missions. Kane needs him to become like him, willing to do anything to win, and putting him on the ground where he can see the results of NOD's actions won't help him one bit with that.
 

sworded

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This story has a lot of potential; some helpful links from the C&C wiki the Brotherhood of Nod and Kane.

A very important thing to consider is that Kane claims to have formed and ruled the Brotherhood under various names since 1800 BC; he would have had the opportuninty to study, learn, and aquire vast amounts of mystic knowledge and items in that time. You can write Shirou as having access to just about any Heroic Spirit by using some personal item that Kane has collected in the past.
 

Aires Drake

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#12
Cherry_lover said:
Kibbles said:
Medic during Tiberium War I, part of the relief effort after the 'evil GDI' (really, NOD) ionizes Fuyuki? A kid working under enemy fire, trying to save people.

The first war was one of propaganda with false flag operations aplenty. Arguably, it worked, given that NOD gained a lot of power and influence.
I just don't see Shirou having an influence on her just by being a medic in an army. Plus, as Kane's adopted son, there's no way in hell he'd be in such a position, especially as a child. Kane would be training him for leadership, and that means not putting him on such missions. Kane needs him to become like him, willing to do anything to win, and putting him on the ground where he can see the results of NOD's actions won't help him one bit with that.
Unless Kane is pursuing a Humanitarian image in Asia perhaps to cause greater regional conflicts between the nations of Asia against Europe and/or Africa. That sort of shattered unity would leave GDI helpless as its funding it re-appropriated or 'lost' through various channels of international government.

EDIT: Sworded, that hits on one of my possible idea paths. Especially since I will portray Kane as having knowledge in the supernatural affairs of Earth.
 

Cherry_lover

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Aires Drake said:
An idea I've had is Shirou possibly being a public face/image of a corporation that is supporting Nod forces before and during TW1, but it is shut down following that war.
Bear in mind that Shirou is a child here. When Kiritsugu adopted him, he was only six, so he would only be 11 at the time of the Tiberium Wars (if they happen in 1999).

The lead-up for those series of events interests me a bit more than the other route, since it's also a bit more believable, to me at least.á Then, there's the culture shock issue that will work on Shirou in Fuyuki, plus the new set of grief and/or depression for losing his father-figure who pulled him out of Death's grasp.
Well, this would perhaps allow for the story to follow a bit closer to the FSN story, since it would mean he probably would meet Sakura.

I know for certainty that Ilya will not have any feelings of mercy towards Shirou because he was NOT adopted by Kiritsugu.
Well, she most likely just wouldn't care about him. Which would probably be a bad thing, overall, because without her obsession with him, she might take the war a bit more seriously (she has nothing to gain from it, since she dies even if she wins, so she is easily distracted from doing so).

I might end up having to plot an entirely new course through the Masters and Servant of the Fifth Holy Grail War.
Well, Archer will have no particular interest in killing him, because he's too different. Sakura may well end up fighting, Shirou most likely won't have Saber and Ilya will probably be more serious (unless you can find something to distract her). So, yeah, there are gonna be some significant changes.
 

Aires Drake

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Cherry, somehow, you just made me realize another thing I read your post. What will GDI do once the Holy Grail War begins? Will they send their own loyal...officer, for the moment, to be an additional supervising authority? Will they actually send their own participant to the event? Will they know that an agent of the Brotherhood (in general) will be taking part in the event?

Just because TW1 will be over doesn't mean that influence of GDI and its rise to power will lack in the world of supernatural events and individuals. Perhaps they'll have their conscripted magi units for attacking certain Nod strongholds that conventional force couldn't take?

Now I'm going to need to do at least parts of chapters from a GDI perspective. Funny how this story is gaining momentum in my mind now after it rested due to my final exams taking over my life for a bit.

Also Cherry, about Shirou being a child: That's why I didn't necessarily consider that route or method of events to be exactly plausible.
 

Cherry_lover

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Aires Drake said:
Cherry, somehow, you just made me realize another thing I read your post. What will GDI do once the Holy Grail War begins? Will they send their own loyal...officer, for the moment, to be an additional supervising authority? Will they actually send their own participant to the event? Will they know that an agent of the Brotherhood (in general) will be taking part in the event?
Well, an interesting prospect, given her personality, is if they chose Rin as the GDI representative. It could work, because she's the sort of person who would likely see through NOD's lies (she sees through Kotomine pretty well), and she would most likely be willing to help stop them if she knew the sort of destruction they could cause. This would, of course, work a lot better if she already knew Shirou, and knew he was actually a decent enough guy.

Not entirely sure how Sakura fits into this, though. If she's not going around Shirou's like in FSN, then she'll definitely participate, and she will similarly participate if he hides the command spell from her (which he will, most likely, since he knows what it is, and given Kane's knowledge will probably know she's a magus, or at least from a magus family).

It could, perhaps, be interesting to have it turn into a kind of three-way battle, between Rin for the GDI, Shirou for NOD and Sakura who is being manipulated into fighting by Zouken and becoming corrupted, especially if the situation is such that Rin and Sakura both care for Shirou (and perhaps vice-versa). Rin will want to save both of them, and Sakura will want to save Shirou. What Shirou wants is another matter, of course....

Perhaps they'll have their conscripted magi units for attacking certain Nod strongholds that conventional force couldn't take?
I doubt they'd have conscripted magi, because they would simply not be willing to accept that, and attempting to force them would lead to the Association as a whole turning against them. Magi don't get involved in wars like that, and attempting to conscript them would piss them off immensely.
 

Aires Drake

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Cherry_lover said:
Aires Drake said:
Cherry, somehow, you just made me realize another thing I read your post.á What will GDI do once the Holy Grail War begins?á Will they send their own loyal...officer, for the moment, to be an additional supervising authority?á Will they actually send their own participant to the event?á Will they know that an agent of the Brotherhood (in general) will be taking part in the event?
Well, an interesting prospect, given her personality, is if they chose Rin as the GDI representative. It could work, because she's the sort of person who would likely see through NOD's lies (she sees through Kotomine pretty well), and she would most likely be willing to help stop them if she knew the sort of destruction they could cause. This would, of course, work a lot better if she already knew Shirou, and knew he was actually a decent enough guy.

Not entirely sure how Sakura fits into this, though. If she's not going around Shirou's like in FSN, then she'll definitely participate, and she will similarly participate if he hides the command spell from her (which he will, most likely, since he knows what it is, and given Kane's knowledge will probably know she's a magus, or at least from a magus family).

It could, perhaps, be interesting to have it turn into a kind of three-way battle, between Rin for the GDI, Shirou for NOD and Sakura who is being manipulated into fighting by Zouken and becoming corrupted, especially if the situation is such that Rin and Sakura both care for Shirou (and perhaps vice-versa). Rin will want to save both of them, and Sakura will want to save Shirou. What Shirou wants is another matter, of course....

Perhaps they'll have their conscripted magi units for attacking certain Nod strongholds that conventional force couldn't take?
I doubt they'd have conscripted magi, because they would simply not be willing to accept that, and attempting to force them would lead to the Association as a whole turning against them. Magi don't get involved in wars like that, and attempting to conscript them would piss them off immensely.
Two very good points.

My initial gut reaction about Rin being the GDI rep is that she's still only a teenager. While that could work, especially as part of an agreement between GDI and the Association, there are other options, such as the original Lancer's Master whose name I can only rarely remember. It certainly requires some heavy thinking to be done by me to figure out.

As for the magi conscription, I think you raised a good enough point about it that conscription of magi seems plainly idiotic for GDI to do, even with the organization's relative inexperience in dealing with the supernatural because of its short time of being in existence.

Still, with Kane having caches of artifacts and/or other supernatural weapons, I could easily see GDI having one or more Black Operations Units composed of Special Forces and magi working together to take out or seize those various caches.

On another note, I think I'll be starting work on Chapter One soon, since my brain is the right 'groove' for this story today. It'll be picking up near where the prologue ended and possibly carrying the story through to either the arrival of Tiberium, which I might place in late Spring or early Summer of 1995, or to the formation of GDI.

My current plan is for a chapter per year until the First Tiberium War kicks off. At that point, it'll be dependent upon good points where the story flow can be broken up. The 'death'(?) of Kane will probably get its own chapter, because Kane is a spotlight-stealer like that. It's all a part of his plan, after all. Also, those yearly chapters will probably be quite large overall, although I might separate them into parts that will be posted in sequence for each chapter. The point where things will be interesting is once the First Tiberium War kicks off, because then it's wartime which rarely ever makes sense, even to the various leaders for the groups involved.

EDIT: And just so happens to be that I get into the mindset of Kane a bit too easily. I really hope I can do him justice. So yeah, 600 words down and I've covered maybe ten minutes of in-story time. Should be fun.
 

Cherry_lover

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#17
Aires Drake said:
My initial gut reaction about Rin being the GDI rep is that she's still only a teenager. While that could work, especially as part of an agreement between GDI and the Association, there are other options, such as the original Lancer's Master whose name I can only rarely remember. It certainly requires some heavy thinking to be done by me to figure out.
The thing is, whilst that is true, Rin will be fighting anyway, so there isn't really a good reason for them not to pick her, despite her age (provided they know this). Bazette (Lancer's original master) is a pretty good possibility too, though.

As for the magi conscription, I think you raised a good enough point about it that conscription of magi seems plainly idiotic for GDI to do, even with the organization's relative inexperience in dealing with the supernatural because of its short time of being in existence.
The Association would have put them in their place pretty damn quick if they tried it....

Still, with Kane having caches of artifacts and/or other supernatural weapons, I could easily see GDI having one or more Black Operations Units composed of Special Forces and magi working together to take out or seize those various caches.
It's quite possible, yeah. The Association has Sealing agents (Bazette is one of them, incidentally) who deal with such things, and it's quite likely that they'd end up working with the GDI in such a scenario.
 

Aires Drake

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#18
*Nods.*

Okay, Bazette. I have just written the name down on about a dozen sticky notes and clustered them on my monitor. I should remember the name now.

Building on the evolution of your idea, perhaps Bazette could be Rin's supervisor or superior agent in regards to Fuyuki? I'm gonna need to work on getting to that point where they interact.

Anyways, I have a tentative idea for Shirou's servant: (Retired) Brigadier General Nick "Havoc" Parker, best known for leading the Dead Six Commando Unit and his views on not retiring the Mammoth Mark II. How he would become a servant, if I go with him, might be worth its own side story.

Anyways, here's a snippet from the workings of Chapter One: "Countdown to Transformation."

It was only a short trip to hotel that Kane had rented out entirely for himself and his various covert followers who were originally to have met him in this city for a meeting about the Mage Association and other supernatural groups who posed various problems for the coming revolution against the complacent world order and their lackey nations.? A troubling situation to be sure, due to the currently warm relationship between the leaders of the Association and the current head officials of the UN Security Council member-states.

Now, he would have another reason for the meeting: to announce to his closest followers the discovery of his future successor.? It would allow him to monitor the loyalty or loose lips of his current Inner Circle and determine which ones would be fitting pawn-sacrifices once war broke out.? Kane gestured to several of his followers once he had arrived with his small bodyguard contingent, "Come, my children.? We have much to prepare before my Inner Circle can be allowed to appear."
One of his servants was able to draw up enough audacity and ego to speak back to the bald man.? "Sir, but the preparations are com-Guh!"? The man who had dared speak in such a way to Kane was silenced by his master's own hand grabbing the servant by the neck and crushing his windpipe, before Kane tossed him aside to suffocate miserably without being able to do anything.

Kane looked around the now-understanding eyes of his close followers who knew it was rare for him to kill any of their numbers in such a personal and immediate manner.? They were beginning to understand his drive to change the plans and revise the work they had labored so hard at for the past few days prior to his arrival.? He noticed the boy, Shirou as his mind had logged with much interest, being brought into one of the honored guest rooms on the same floor as his own and those of his bodyguards on a stretcher with two of his female guards keeping close watch on the boy and the medical staff already tending to him.? Kane swept his hand broadly in the direction of where the group had disappeared onto an elevator.? "My brothers and sisters, that boy is to be the key for the future success of my plans.? He," Kane paused here for the dramatic effect and the building of uneasy tension in the small knot of his servants, "is to be my messenger to the people when I am unable to reach the masses.? Our," Kane? paused again, although he need to take a larger breath here, "guests are not to know of him or that my successor is a child.? He will bring upon this world a type of salvation that even I would be hard-pressed to provide.? We shall make sure my son is well-educated.? Do you all understand?"? He received many slack jaws and open eyes in response, even though many had worked for him for years or decades and had learned how to not betray their emotions so plainly.? He smiled, for soon the catalyst for his ascension would arrive, and the great game would begin.? His next two weeks would be quite interesting for a series of revelations and revisions he would lay out upon his Inner Circle.
 
#19
Just thought of something -

If Rin doesn't save Shirou with her jewel in this timeline, then who will she summon for a servant?
 

Aires Drake

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#20
EMIYA is still a valid servant for Rin, because the original one will have cherished the connection to Rin given by the gem. He might be a bit confused as to why things are different though.

EDIT: Then again, who am I to say that Shirou won't need saving by Rin's gem at some point? Oh wait, right. I'm the one crazy person who got this idea in his head and decided to write it. Eh, it's been fun so far.
 

sworded

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#21
Aires Drake said:
Anyways, I have a tentative idea for Shirou's servant: (Retired) Brigadier General Nick "Havoc" Parker, best known for leading the Dead Six Commando Unit and his views on not retiring the Mammoth Mark II. How he would become a servant, if I go with him, might be worth its own side story.
Why Havoc dosen't try and off Shirou would be a better story.

You could have Havoc be a Rider class servant with the Mammoth Mk II as his ride/NP; other ideas for him to have as NPs include ion cannon blasts, portable ion cannons, the Dead Six as backup, and an NP ability that supercharges modern weapons. He could take EMIYA's role storywise-he is a Counter Guardian who made a deal with the Counter Force in order to kill Shirou in the/a past.

If you're open to the idea of using a CnC character to be a diferent Saber class servant then how about Emperor Yoshiro of the leader of the Empire of the Rising Sun from CnC Red Alert 3. His sword could either be a beam katana or a wave force blade like those wielded by a Shogun Executioner but wielded by his custom King Oni. Just think of it, a giant mecha with missiles, laser eyes, and a energy sword! Perfect for the role as personal weapon of the emperor of a fictional Japan don't you think? :D
 

nick012000

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#22
Red Alert was an alternate timeline; only the first game was canon to the main CnC continuity. One ending gave birth to the Tiberium Wars timeline, and the other to the Red Alert timeline.
 

sworded

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#23
nick012000 said:
Red Alert was an alternate timeline; only the first game was canon to the main CnC continuity. One ending gave birth to the Tiberium Wars timeline, and the other to the Red Alert timeline.
Yes but alternate timelines are a part of FSN; the presence of Counter Guardian EMIYA is proof of them.
 

nick012000

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#24
sworded said:
nick012000 said:
Red Alert was an alternate timeline; only the first game was canon to the main CnC continuity. One ending gave birth to the Tiberium Wars timeline, and the other to the Red Alert timeline.
Yes but alternate timelines are a part of FSN; the presence of Counter Guardian EMIYA is proof of them.
This is true.
 

Crusader

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#25
But one problem would be that Yuri might come from an alternate timeline as a Caster-class Servant who's more likely to dominate the so-called Master in order to work on his own agenda while stuffing mind-controlled civilians into prana-draining bio reactors or a grinder to power him up.
 
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