Nasuverse The Church of Emiya

#26
but they were mystical bugs/parasites so you would need a mystical plaguicide :sisi:
 

Rabe

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#27
shioran toushin said:
but they were mystical bugs/parasites so you would need a mystical plaguicide :sisi:
O thats simple find Gil ask him to buy some, and now you have mystical plaguicide.
 

trevelyan1983

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#28
Rabe said:
shioran toushin said:
but they were mystical bugs/parasites so you would need a mystical plaguicide :sisi:
O thats simple find Gil ask him to buy some, and now you have mystical plaguicide.
Go one better. Gil has the original plaguicide in his Vault. In the original plastic bottle. Made of gold.
 

nick012000

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#29
Guys, guys, guys.

You're all forgetting something. This is most likely Kotomine Kirei's church. He's probably either standing just around the corner listening, or he's standing in the room he treated Sakura in in Heaven's Feel and listening.

In either case, he's almost certainly going to confront Shirou after Sakura leaves, and then the trolling will start. Congratulations, Shirou! Your dream has come true! Now you get to be a superhero and save the girl!

He'd probably volunteer to perform his magical surgery on her, too, if she needs it, since he hates Matou Zouken.
 

sworded

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#30
nick012000 said:
Guys, guys, guys.

You're all forgetting something. This is most likely Kotomine Kirei's church. He's probably either standing just around the corner listening, or he's standing in the room he treated Sakura in in Heaven's Feel and listening.

In either case, he's almost certainly going to confront Shirou after Sakura leaves, and then the trolling will start. Congratulations, Shirou! Your dream has come true! Now you get to be a superhero and save the girl!

He'd probably volunteer to perform his magical surgery on her, too, if she needs it, since he hates Matou Zouken.
He might even volunteer Gil's services or at least introduce the two...
 

nick012000

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#31
sworded said:
nick012000 said:
Guys, guys, guys.

You're all forgetting something. This is most likely Kotomine Kirei's church. He's probably either standing just around the corner listening, or he's standing in the room he treated Sakura in in Heaven's Feel and listening.

In either case, he's almost certainly going to confront Shirou after Sakura leaves, and then the trolling will start. Congratulations, Shirou! Your dream has come true! Now you get to be a superhero and save the girl!

He'd probably volunteer to perform his magical surgery on her, too, if she needs it, since he hates Matou Zouken.
He might even volunteer Gil's services or at least introduce the two...
I doubt he'd play his hand so early, though if Sakura mentions the Holy Grail War and/or Rider, he might encourage Shirou to try to summon an Heroic Spirit to help him rescue her.

I think Saber would be more than willing to do so, too, if Shirou explains what he wants her to help him do to her.
 

grant

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#32
Is it stated anywhere that Kirei hates Zouken?
 

nick012000

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#33
grant said:
Is it stated anywhere that Kirei hates Zouken?
IIRC, he says something to that effect in the scenes where he's healing Sakura, or maybe the tofu restaurant scene. I might be mistaken, though, and he might have said it in one of his other scenes.
 

ttestagr

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#34
Kirei states his contempt for Zouken in Fate/Zero. He thinks about how he may be immoral, but even so he thinks Zouken is a monster that needs to be wiped out.
 

grant

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#35
My bad.
 

Cherry_lover

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#36
ttestagr said:
Kirei states his contempt for Zouken in Fate/Zero. He thinks about how he may be immoral, but even so he thinks Zouken is a monster that needs to be wiped out.
Yeah. I don't think he likes the way Zouken works one bit, and I'm sure he'd be quite glad to save Sakura from his grasp (although I'm sure he'd then offer his services as a "counsellor"...).
 

Prince Charon

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#37
ttestagr said:
Kirei states his contempt for Zouken in Fate/Zero. He thinks about how he may be immoral, but even so he thinks Zouken is a monster that needs to be wiped out.
Which, even if we didn't know what he did to Sakura, would be pretty damning, given what an utter dick Kirei is.
 

Cherry_lover

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#38
Prince Charon said:
Which, even if we didn't know what he did to Sakura, would be pretty damning, given what an utter dick Kirei is.
I don't think Kirei knows what Zouken is doing to Sakura, actually, at least not in detail. All of his information comes from Tokiomi (who I damn well hope doesn't know) and a single meeting with Zouken where Zouken basically said "ho, ho, ho, I'm actually just trolling Kariya, I know he can't win, so please go ahead with your plan, it's rather funny, actually". Just from that, he came to the conclusion that Zouken was an enemy who must be defeated.
 
#39
Cherry_lover said:
I don't think Kirei knows what Zouken is doing to Sakura, actually, at least not in detail. All of his information comes from Tokiomi (who I damn well hope doesn't know) and a single meeting with Zouken where Zouken basically said "ho, ho, ho, I'm actually just trolling Kariya, I know he can't win, so please go ahead with your plan, it's rather funny, actually". Just from that, he came to the conclusion that Zouken was an enemy who must be defeated.
Fate/zero makes it clear that Tokiomi does not know about the abuse.

/carry along
 

ttestagr

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#40
Cherry_Fucker said:
Cherry_lover said:
I don't think Kirei knows what Zouken is doing to Sakura, actually, at least not in detail. All of his information comes from Tokiomi (who I damn well hope doesn't know) and a single meeting with Zouken where Zouken basically said "ho, ho, ho, I'm actually just trolling Kariya, I know he can't win, so please go ahead with your plan, it's rather funny, actually". Just from that, he came to the conclusion that Zouken was an enemy who must be defeated.
Fate/zero makes it clear that Tokiomi does not know about the abuse.

/carry along
Fate/Zero also makes it clear that Tokiomi would not care. If she wasn't adopted, he would have let her become a specimen to be dissected. He was happy that didn't happen, but wouldn't have moved to stop it. Sakura's abuse would just be necessary sacrifice in his mind since its purpose is to transfer the Makiri magic crest to her and become a brood mare. He considers this a good fate.

The mother who's name I refuse to remember, was so set on becoming a 'good magus wife' that she utterly failed both of her children. I really don't like her and if it weren't for Kariya's suffering, I would have laughed at hers when she saw her husband dead. As it was, I wish she suffered more.
 

Cherry_lover

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#41
Cherry_Fucker said:
Cherry_lover said:
I don't think Kirei knows what Zouken is doing to Sakura, actually, at least not in detail. All of his information comes from Tokiomi (who I damn well hope doesn't know) and a single meeting with Zouken where Zouken basically said "ho, ho, ho, I'm actually just trolling Kariya, I know he can't win, so please go ahead with your plan, it's rather funny, actually". Just from that, he came to the conclusion that Zouken was an enemy who must be defeated.
Fate/zero makes it clear that Tokiomi does not know about the abuse.

/carry along
Actually, I don't think it does, at least not explicitly, but I would agree with you that it is highly likely that he doesn't know, and I was not claiming otherwise. I was just pointing out that, if Tokiomi doesn't know, then likely nor would Kotomine.

ttestagr said:
Fate/Zero also makes it clear that Tokiomi would not care. If she wasn't adopted, he would have let her become a specimen to be dissected. He was happy that didn't happen, but wouldn't have moved to stop it.
Actually, this just plain isn't true. Tokomi would not have let her become a "specimen to be dissected" (although he may well not have been able to do anything about it), and the thought of it happening caused him no small amount of distress.

Sakura's abuse would just be necessary sacrifice in his mind since its purpose is to transfer the Makiri magic crest to her and become a brood mare. He considers this a good fate.
Well, it's debateable whether he would be OK with what was done to her if Zouken's intention had genuinely been to turn her into his heir and to treat her accordingly, because he may well have considered the ability to be a genuine magus to be worth the suffering Sakura would go through to get there. However, there's no way in hell he'd be OK with Zouken using her as an experimental subject or brood-mare. His intention was for her to be put into a situation where she could use the potential she was born with and become a great magus in her own right, and Zouken never allowed her to do that.

The mother who's name I refuse to remember, was so set on becoming a 'good magus wife' that she utterly failed both of her children. I really don't like her and if it weren't for Kariya's suffering, I would have laughed at hers when she saw her husband dead. As it was, I wish she suffered more.
You mean Aoi?

Yeah, I can't argue with you on this one. She failed miserably to act to limit her husband's stupidity, and let her daughter be sent to another house with no guarentee whatsoever that she'd be safe.
 
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