Harry Potter The Crown v. Severus Snape

#1
A foreword before I put this idea down:
If I could write the ideas that flow through my brain in any legible fashion, I... probably wouldn't for the sake of anyone who has eyes :p. That being said, I have some ideas. Ideas hopefully not completely done to the point where a story commits sucide when it realizes that its author put one of those horribly overused ideas in it.
Like I said, I either cannot or will not make a story out of these ideas, so consider them fair play to use. You don't even have to cite me. (It'd be nice tho. :rolleyes: )
Insert it into your story, or make a new one out of it.

Idea Summary
Severus Snape is a wanted criminal in the "Muggle" world, thanks to what he had done before, during, and/or after being in Voldemort's Fan Club (AKA the Death Eaters)

Synopsis

The Death Eaters, and other Pureblood Supremacist groups, have always targeted those who could not resist them. Most of the time, this means that their random attacks almost always occur in "Muggle" areas. Their more coordinated attacks would, obviously, target their enemies they actually considered a threat: The "Mudbloods", "Half-Bloods", and "Blood Traitors".

Except the "Muggles" aren't as primitive or uncapable as they were a century or two ago.

Advances in forensics and detective work have helped the "Muggles" solve previously unsolvable crimes. Among these, fingerprinting, DNA, and medical sciences are most prevalent. However, what would autopsies of the magical murders show? "Scared to death"? Tortured to death w/o a single scratch except the rape? How would forensic scientists take a body that seems blown in twain with no evidence of accelerants or explosives? What about those suspects who have never been in the police systems? Fingerprinting and DNA would be useless. Most of the Death Eaters, having only really been in the Muggle world to rape, pillage, and murder, have this benefit. Almost all of them really. Except one or two. You guessed it; Severus Snape, and his good buddy, Tom Riddle.

Details

Now, some of you are probably crying foul about this idea right now. "The obliviators or unspeakables would have taken care of this!" Some perhaps. Maybe even most, depending on how competent you decide to depict them. What about on those days where entire villages were wiped off the map? Where multiple homes would have been attacked at the same time? Or even, where the DEs were "off the clock", so to speak. What about physical evidence? Would the obliviators even know to wipe it "all" away?

Enter a police detective, <Insert Name Here>. Raised in the same town as the Snapes, he had known Severus from school, mostly by reputation (or not). Being in a era where police rely more and more on forensics to get the job done, his school opted to allow the police to gather fingerprints and/or DNA for various purposes. Snape? Meet the System. System, Snape. System, you'll be having alot of requests for Snape's file in the time to come.

Fast forward 20-30 years. <Insert Name Here> is now a detective in Londons police force. His most hated set of cold cases? They're all marked with "Suspect: Severus Snape". His wife and childs case is in there. Normally, he'd be told to stay away from those cases due to his rather personal involvment, but Snapes a slippery bastard. He's been wanted for too long, and nothing anyone tries to flush him out works. (Dumbledore anyone?)

Now heres where things can really diverge. <Insert Name Here> hears the word Snape in passing, and is on it like a... competent cop on a clue. But where does he hear it? In passing, from a Muggleborn student?(Hermione is the only one that really fits here, if only from lack of knowledge on other students) Is he somehow related to a Hogwarts student and learns of it this way? (Hermione, again... I just like her tis all. Ron,"Accountant? Try Police Detective." Harry? "Harry my boy, about your aunt being your only family? I lied. My bad." Luna? "Don't get too close to those Snapeitpuses. They can assplode your head." "Don't you mean explode?" "I meant what I said. Unless something caused me not to. I wonder? :)" Other? "I know your my close cousin or uncle or niece or whatever, but whats your name and did you just say Snape?"

Everything else after this point is pretty much up to the writer. Except a few points.
A) Snape gets whats coming to him. Either a trial and execution, or a bullet to the brain "resisting arrest". If good old Dumbledore tries, and i do mean tries, to protect him after the evidence is presented to him? He gets whats coming to him too.
B ) Romantic pairs(or moresomes) must be well thought out. No slamming together characters in the first chapter unless they are already together in canon... and even then there should be an in depth analysis (not necessarily in the story) on what they would do and if they would stay together. (Always did think that Ginny popped up out of nowhere, and Hermione suddenly lost 100 IQ points when it came to logic and understanding.)
C) What happened to Tom Riddle in this story? Is he on the Police's radar? Up to you, but hes more from a period where that physical evidence wouldn't have been precollected, so...

Well, I guess if A and B are actually taken into consideration, then this will actually be a challenge rather than a idea, but whatever. If you like it or not, let me know, so I can know whether or not to keep my brain shut on the other better than the other ideas in my head. Also? Links to the stories would be appreciated. Now, Go go go!

Jay Thorn
Edited 2 Minutes after first post.
Reason: Random Emoticons attacking the post
 

Oni_kawaii

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#2
Be even more fun if he has caught Snape once or twice but can't remember it.

A little Legilimency to the brain to figure out why this muggle is after him and how he managed to find him and Obliviate.

As far as <Insert Name Here> knows he just missed the bastard and has little to no hard evidence to book Snape with any crime.

Severus enjoys his little game with <Insert Name Here> although the detective has a tendency to show up when it's least convenient.
 

cilrais

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#3
would a british detective even have a gun?
 

Mercsenary

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#4
cilrais said:
would a british detective even have a gun?
:sisi:

This.

Not really familiar with British gun laws. I know beat cops dont carry. Which really sucks for them since you know... criminals carry...

@idea: :hmm:
 
#6
Well, the idea is just that: an idea. The whole Snape being a wanted criminal plot is only the easiest way of bringing out a background point, which in and of itself is too broad to make a story on.
The background point is simply this: If you're going to have an entire fantasy or magical world hiding inside the "real" or the "reality" world, then sooner or later your magical world is going to have to play by the real worlds rules. Otherwise, what would be the point of having the Harry Potter world inside our own? (Besides the fact that Rowling both had a way of easily connecting you with the story early on, and the fact that she didnt have to come up with BS maps or languages)
The background point is one that many writers seem to overlook when writing H.P fanfiction (including Rowling herself). If your going to have the Death Eaters go out and kill and rape as they please, then there is going to be red flags brought up all over the place in the real world. What can be done about those red flags? That's something up to the writer. Just keep in mind that once all those warnings reach the right ears something would be done about it.
(In all honesty, in canon how easy would it be to simply replace all the "real world" elements with their "fantasy world" non-magical equivalents? All too easy IMO. Just the first couple of chapters of every book would need a little tweaking... nothing of any true plot value)

Ok, now that thats off my chest...

@oni_kawaii: That is indeed a suitable plot element to a prospective story. One point tho, why would Snape even be in the Muggle world for <Insert Name Here> to just miss? (Other than Snape practicing his favourite... "hobby" back when he was a full time Death Eater... and even then Snape strikes me as intelligent enough to be able to evade detection until he gets back to Hoggywarts. Using low key spells and Imperius in the dead of night and such.)

@cilrais,Mercsenary: I'll admit to "Americanization" here. Forgot that the majority of officers in the UK don't carry, so... my bad.

cheers@Chuckg for the info links. Good old Wiki.
 

GiantMonkeyMan

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#8
If you're going to have an entire fantasy or magical world hiding inside the "real" or the "reality" world, then sooner or later your magical world is going to have to play by the real worlds rules.
Why exactly is this? Magic in Harry Potter doesn't follow logic, it just is. Families can walk through walls during broad daylight in the middle of one of the busiest stations in London and not be noticed thanks to magic.

Also, Snape would never have his DNA put on file due to his primary school. Why would they do this? The very idea that any parent would allow the police to take their innocent children's information is ridiculous. If, and this is a big if, he was ever caught by the police he wouldn't be executed either. This is Britain, remember, and we don't lawfully kill anyone except in wars. He'd be taken to a cell then apparate out in moments regardless.

Basically, your idea revolves around your dislike of Snape and a need to see the muggle world as 'better' than the wizarding world. Which is boring and not atall unique in the greater scheme of things. If you'd said something like: Death eaters are hunted down by Miss Marple, Inspector Morse, Inspector Clouseau or even Sherlock Holmes then it would have been amusing, original, keeping with the whole 'police' thing and yet retaining a measure of awesomeness that I could have enjoyed. Pointless bashing of the wizarding world annoys me, on the other hand.
 

Takerial

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#9
The fic should have muggles going around raping the magicfolk to keep them in line.
 

Nikas_Zekeval

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#11
GiantMonkeyMan said:
Also, Snape would never have his DNA put on file due to his primary school. Why would they do this? The very idea that any parent would allow the police to take their innocent children's information is ridiculous. If, and this is a big if, he was ever caught by the police he wouldn't be executed either. This is Britain, remember, and we don't lawfully kill anyone except in wars. He'd be taken to a cell then apparate out in moments regardless.
Not sure about Britain but here in the States I was printed in grade school. OTOH that was the early to mid eighties and it was during a kidnapping scare. People got their kids printed so they had them on file somewhere in case they got snatched.

Also I recall visiting a police station on a Boy Scout tour, printing one or two of the Scouts on the tour to show finger printing was usually part of it. Snape gets printed as a demo, and the card accidentally filed in the system?

I do agree it is way to early for Snape to have a DNA profile as anything other than 'unknown perp #3431573. ie if Death Eaters leave raped Muggle bodies laying around they'd have the DNA of the perps, but nothing to match them in the system. Heck when Harry starts Hogwarts it is still the early days of DNA profiling.
 
#12
In Britain there's a big thing against giving your personal information to the police. The government want to have everyone's dna etc in a database and institute ID cards and shit in order to catch criminals but they can't get it passed because no-one else thinks that's a good idea. This is only recent and during the 60's/70's when Snape was in school it wouldn't have even been thought of.

But fair enough, and sorry if I came off as dickish.

Also, how old are you in grade school?
 
#13
@GiantMonkeyMan: Strangely enough, my girlfriend made almost the same points you did. Except strangly the execution thing... If the wizarding world is "better" than the real world, why the need to hide? That very fact acknowledges that the wizarding world is in at least some way inferior. However, I see where your coming from: in a case of Muggle vs. Wizard, all other things being equal, Wizard pwns, no matter the situation(Direct fight or Investigation/Capture or whatever). Hell, in a case of Many Muggles Vs. Wizard, Wizard either pwns or gets away unharmed. Unless of course first strike is from the muggle(s) and is immediately lethal. Which is kind of the point I was trying to make.
Edit: Yet another Americanization about the personal information to police thing...

@Nikas_Zekeval:
I too remember getting printed and maybe even swabbed, and that was kindergarden in a nowhere town 2 hours away from anywhere. About 20-25 years ago give or take.


I didnt say that implementing this idea would be easy, on the contrary the more real world elements included in this the more difficult it becomes, and quite frankly I'm asking for alot of real world elements. Like I said, I know Im not good enough to write this, either technically or creatively. I just wanted to put the idea out there to see if someone else could. Personally I can't see any sort of resolution to this conflict of requiring Snape be brought to justice without either all/most of the legwork being done by magicals or having someone develop magical science for normal people. And the consequences of that have pretty much been done.
 
#14
I'm not saying that the muggle world is better or worse than the wizarding world at all, mate. Basically what I was trying to get across was that you shouldn't apply real world logic to a world where your social interactions and learning environment during your school years are decided upon by a talking hat. It's all well and good having the muggle law enforcement hunting death eaters but they're going to run into a lot of tracks that lead to fire places then scratch their heads.

How about this:

During a summer before Lily and James hooked up, Snape managed to pursuade Lily to go to the local for a drink or two (since some pubs have very lax age laws for local teenagers, especially in the past). Snape makes a fool of himself, Lily leaves in a huff, Snape gets extremely rat-faced thanks to low alcohol tolerance and in the process gets arrested. Snape, being Snape, acts like an arsehole to the police who act equally arseholish and make his time at the station as difficult as possible; ie strip searching for drugs, taking his dna and finger prints, keeping him in a cold cell over night. This strengthens Snape's hatred of muggles and also sticks him on police record.
 
#15
Thats probably a far more likely scenario than the one I envisioned, actually. :sisi:
As for the police hunting Death Eaters, I agree with you on that as well. In order for a realistic capture of a Death Eater, the police need to be upgraded (Magic Scanners, Cancellers) or the Death Eater needs to be disadvantaged (...Pissed out of his mind drunk?)

I can see the reaction to an officer hearing about the sorting hat now... "Wait, you're telling me that your school sorts you based on if you have more of either courage, intelligence, loyalty, or ambition? And this decision is made... by a talking hat. Who reads your mind. At eleven. ...What if you change?" "What do you mean change?" "You know, become more loyal or courageous or something to warrent changing houses." "...Are you out of your mind? :crazy: " "Rrrigghtt"
 

Prince Charon

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#16
JayThorn said:
Thats probably a far more likely scenario than the one I envisioned, actually. :sisi:
As for the police hunting Death Eaters, I agree with you on that as well. In order for a realistic capture of a Death Eater, the police need to be upgraded (Magic Scanners, Cancellers) or the Death Eater needs to be disadvantaged (...Pissed out of his mind drunk?)

I can see the reaction to an officer hearing about the sorting hat now... "Wait, you're telling me that your school sorts you based on if you have more of either courage, intelligence, loyalty, or ambition? And this decision is made... by a talking hat. Who reads your mind. At eleven. ...What if you change?" "What do you mean change?" "You know, become more loyal or courageous or something to warrent changing houses." "...Are you out of your mind? :crazy: " "Rrrigghtt"
The sad thing is, they mostly don't seem to change, between eleven and adulthood, apart from puberty. JKR isn't that great at character development.
 

amazingbob

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#18
All the muggle hating is just lame.

I always assume their is some massive confundus charm on the entire country that prevents muggles from looking to hard at magic and prevents magic users from giving a shit about muggle technology. The alternative makes no sense at all.

Satellite photos, infrared and heat sensors, cameras etc. should all have detected magic long ago. The unfamiliarity that wizards have with muggle tech makes is completely implausible that they could deal with any of these methods competently.

On the other hand given how only the prime minister knows about magic their is no way that muggles could secure nuclear stockpiles against any wizard who knows how to apparate and carries a portkey.

Unless their is some secret society with a knowledge of both worlds acting to keep a balance the entire system would fail spectacularly in a very short amount of time.

If muggles could detect magic by its interference with muggle technology or inconsistency in reports caused by people forgetting things that are obvious in collected data then their is more room for equalization. Invisible wizards can be detected by non visual sensors, apparating makes detectable sounds, antimuggle wards cause very obvious psychological affects etc.

Of course any close look at the system makes it fall apart.
 

Oni_kawaii

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#19
Well the Squibs have to be useful for something.
 
#20
If muggles could detect magic by its interference with muggle technology or inconsistency in reports caused by people forgetting things that are obvious in collected data then their is more room for equalization.
This is something only attributed to Hogwarts. Diagon Alley doesn't lead to half of London burning down as planes drop from the sky and traffic lights stop working. In fact, you'll remember Dumbledore has a special device that takes the light from lamp-posts but still the electric lighting works when the light is returned.

Also you're assuming too easily that magic can be beaten by muggle technology. In Romania (or was it Bulgaria?) there are freaking dragon reserves and still the muggles are clueless! Unfortunately for the reader, and very fortunately for wizarding kind, magic is presented as a dues ex machina that can do pretty much anything; even hide things from those using advanced technology to search for hidden cults.

Just as you think muggle hating is lame, I think applying logic to Harry Potter magic is equally lackluster.
 

Prince Charon

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#21
One possible explanation for the 'Deus ex Machina' nature of some aspects of HP magic is that it works on concepts, like Tohno (Nanaya) Shiki's Mystic Eyes in Tsukihime. For example, an unplottable location lacks the concept of being plottable, and thus is impossible to put on a map.
 

Oni_kawaii

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#22
so the marauders map is a bigger 'Deus ex Machina' ?
 

Prince Charon

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#23
Oni_kawaii said:
so the marauders map is a bigger 'Deus ex Machina' ?
No, because it only maps location inside the unplottable castle, it doesn't tell you where in Scotland the castle is.
 
#24
the one issue I can find with the idea of R v Snape is who would have jurisdiction over him, would it be English or Scottish Law?
 

Kibbles

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#25
ace1357 said:
the one issue I can find with the idea of R v Snape is who would have jurisdiction over him, would it be English or Scottish Law?
The International Criminal Court in Rome. Problem solved.

Wait, is the UK actually a signatory?

EDIT: Yes, it is. I checked. Now, would the crimes be war crimes, crimes against humanity or genocide?
 
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