The Legend Of Zelda: Twilight Memories

Thorn

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#1
I'll be posting what I have of the fic later, but this is the kinda-outline.

Basically, As Links standing before Hyrule Castle, ready to venture up and clash with Ganondorf, he's hit with deja-vu. Things feel so familiar to him, suddenly he starts having flash backs of a past not his own. Or is it? His first flash back involves not only a clash involving himself and Ganondorf, but of a familiar princess, and a temple he's seen before.

Link travels back to Ordon Forest, to where he released the Master Sword. It looks like it is the place from his flash back. Taking the Master Sword and plunges it into it's stone sheath. Pulling it out, the sword is glowing silver. Link releases the power the sword is holding and suddenly finds him self in a world long ago, with a familiar princess with a still familiar Ocarina. And thats where things start happening. More and more flash backs take a hold of the holder of Courage and he starts to realize who he was...
 

Belgarion213

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#2
Its an intriguing concept. I look forward to when you post some of this, as it sounds like a great fic. The mention of 'who he was' is intriguing. Does that refer to being the 'hero of time' or is it something else?
 

Konous

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#3
I too am intrigued of this, Twilight princess makes numerous subtle and not so subtle references to Ocarina of time and I think it is only logical that someone would come to a conclusion such as this. I full support this story my good sir.
 

Sunhawk

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#4
Well, when you think about it, all the heroes of the series are named "Link"...

Maybe that's his fate; he's called into being when a princess named "Zelda" is born (or shortly before or after) as a small child, and he inevitably rescues her from some Horrible Thing that Wants to Do Naughty Things To Her (come on... you know that's what they're all after...). Afterwards, he simply vanishes; literally, in fact, as he sleeps again in some not-space until he's needed again.
 

ttestagr

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#5
Twilight Princess seemed to try to link various things in OoT to ALtP. The Sacred Grove for example, was revealed to be the ruins of the Temple of Time. We also learn that the original Hyrule Castle Town and Kakariko Village were abandoned.

The outline seems like it can lead to an interesting story. I look forward to seeing more.
 

Thorn

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#6
I'm also tying Majoras Mask to Wind Waker. There were a few parts in the intro to Wind Waker where one could infer what happened after Majoras Mask. I'm going to develop that route too. I think you guys will like it.
 

tungsten

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#7
very interested to read this. i haven't finished twilight princess, yet (am playing it intermittently on freinds wii) but am very intruiged nonetheless.

:)
 

Lord Raine

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#8
Thorn said:
I'm also tying Majoras Mask to Wind Waker. There were a few parts in the intro to Wind Waker where one could infer what happened after Majoras Mask. I'm going to develop that route too. I think you guys will like it.
Actually, this is not true.

At least, not the theory that WW is > MM.


While there is no 'official chronology' of the LoZ series, the developers have admitted that they are all connected, and that there is a sequence to them.

And while they have refrained from telling us just what this continuity is (for the most part, as OoT is obviously followed by MM), they have given a few vague and sweeping 'clues' in various interviews.


In one of these interviews, a developer mentioned in passing that WW actually takes place before OoT.

And he stopped there.

When the interviewers questioned him further, he simply smiled and said

"We'll leave the rest up to the fans. We don't want to take away their ability to imagine Hyrule as they think it should be."


So it's really up to you.

It's your fic, and if you want to make WW take place 'after the end of Hyrule', then do so.

But canonically speaking, it's out of line.

WW comes before OoT, and MM is an obvious follow-up to OoT (at least, I think so. Feel free to disagree).

Therefore, WW happens before MM, not after.


Personally?


I think that WW goes back to the very beginning of the series, and is chronologically 'first' out of all the 'new' games we've seen.

Why?


The True Kingdom of Hyrule.

That's what's under the sea.

Not 'OoT/MM Hyrule that was drowned'.

But the Hyrule upon which the War of the Golden Land took place.

Back when Ganondorf was still 'a thief' and when the Triforce was still an actual, whole, physical object, and not 'imbued' as tattoo/birthmarks.


I came to this conclusion from putting the interview together with several other details I noticed while playing WW.

First is that you actually assemble the Triforce. That is (as far as I know) a first in TLoZ series. Every other time (once again, as far as I know), you start out with the 'mark of Courage' on your hand.

But you don't in WW. In WW, you earn it, and that makes me think that WW predates every TLoZ game where 'Link' has the mark from birth (this is assuming that the mark will manifest on any reincarnations of 'Link', no matter how much time actually passes. It is an assumption, but considering what the mark represents, I feel it's a reasonable one).


The second thing is the state of the Castle when you first visit it.

Darknuts and Moblins were all over the place, frozen in time from battle that was interrupted mid-fight.

It's more or less TLoZ canon that Darknuts = 'corrupted' Hyrule Knights, and the 'Knights' were only seen in force during the War over the Triforce back in the beginning.

That war was their last stand, and they were (for the most part) wiped-out fighting it.



So my personal theory places WW as taking place about a thousand years after the War was lost, and has it predating OoT, MM, and TP by a great enough span that the people no longer remember that Hyrule was once totally flooded.


This would also place the 'older games' like LttP 'during' the war (but that's a rather rough guess on my part).


But that's just what I think.


If you're going to write this, more power to you. But you're going to have to hammer out a loose timeline for Hyrule and the various games if Link is going to be 'hopping' through time. I (and no doubt several others) have theories as to exactly how it all plays out, canon-wise, and youÆve probably got some ideas of your own as well.

If you need help figuring things out, feel free to ask. IÆm sure that between all of us, we can work something out.



And that's all I've got.


[edit]

And yes, it's a necro.

But it's relevant.
 

Thorn

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#9
Phew. Let me see if I can remember the time-line I had hammered out. It's been a while and I don't have the notes I wrote for the story anymore. My mom threw them away ; ;.I don't think I was including any of the older games, I want to fit ALTTP in somehow, but I can't figure out how. If you want I still remember the basic outline I had going and can PM you it.

Anyway, I think the way I had it figured was.

OOTP
MM(after which I had a LOT of important shit go down)
WW
TLP

Now that I think about it, I REALLY wanted ALTTP in there. But I seriously can't figure out how to do it with how I had the story going.
 

The Eromancer

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#11
Well I can tell you a few things I know FOR SURE.

The FIRST "Legend of Zelda" game made and the following game "Link's Adventure" are the END. Gannondorf is KILLED in that game, not just sealed like in so many others.

Now as to your idea about WW being a precursor? can't work, in the place you GET the master sword, the temple? theres a portrait of things that had already happened and if you look closely they detail OoT.

Ocarina of Time is THE first in the series, Twilight Princess a very close second. However my friends and I have a theory, that WW games are perhaps a devergent timeline. After all, you can't be messing around with time like they did in OoT and NOT have some consequences like that. Depending on which you want to call it on, the possibility of Link staying in the present with Zelda after OoT or going back are the only possible areas to explain for the divergent timeline theory. Its also the LAST time the Ocarina is used, which would explain for the reason why only ONE other timeline was formed, that thing was POWERFUL after all, playing with time like that.

In short, Linking staying in the present at the end of OoT because could be argued as the WW path, seeing as if Link went back in time then his exploits as the "Hero" would never of happened in the first place. And since the temple of time in WW explicitly states the events of Ocarina of Time then this MUST be the timeline where Link did NOT go back like Zelda had intended.

As for Twilight Princess, some later exploits could still account for legends of the "Hero" to persist on, in fact its shown that "Link" from TP is in fact a direct decendant of the "Hero", you find this out once Link learns his final sword move from the wolf/skeleton dude. Specifically calls LINK his child, now that doesn't mean the wolf/skeleton dude was in fact his father but it DOES denote blood relation. This theory is further in-forced by the fact that YES all the Links in older made games are from the SAME family line. You can even explain away how ALL of them have been named Link after so many generations as some kind of Family thing.

(In my family, ALL the young men born have the SAME middle name, and this hasn't changed in over 300 years thank you very much. That even extends to my cousins, though not "mandatory" per-say.)

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Gahhh, and only NOW after I've written all this do watch the damn video you posted... the Minish cap bit was something I did know about though. ... didn't even hear about the damn thing.

They do have some good ideas and we completely forgot about the Oracels of Ages and Seasons BUT they got that a little wrong, Gannon was still sealed in the "Dark Realm" in those game and the idiot sorcerer who's name wasn't important enough to remember was trying to unleash him back into the world, presumably for power (as usual). Besides they completely forget about how the games HAVE said that each link is related to the others. Though SOME are the SAME link.

The Legend of Zelda & Link's Adventure, have the same Link.

Ocarina of Time & Majora's Mask, also the same - no brainer there.

A Link to the Past, Link's Awakening, and Four Swords - it has to be the same.

Wind Waker & Phantom Hourglass - no brainer

and Orical and Seasons & Ages - also no brainer.

In the end they did a creative ditty for linking them all togeather within a few years, but that doesn't account for changes in landscape and changing facial feature between the links. The most telling being his hair.
 

Thorn

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#12
I never said Wind Waker was going to be a precursor.

I'm going:

OoT
MM
WW
MAYBE ALTTP
TP

and I have officially started re writing it.
 

Waruiko

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#13
My friends and I always figured that at the very least LTTP comes after TP, and TP comes after OOT because of the state of the temple that housed the Master Sword. We figured a few hundred years passed from OOT to TP because the building has been rundown, but a time closer to a thousand years passed between TP and OOT because not only has the temple finished decaying so that only the mount for the Master Sword is left, but the entire written language has changed to the point that you need to find an old book to translate the instructions to use it.
 

Steel

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#14
Argh, there's actually two timelines (as best as super Zelda geeks could figure out, and confirmed by Iwata).

While the contents of each are not clear, basically it goes:

Minish Cap
Legend of Zelda
Zelda II
Ocarina of Time (then it splits)
First timeline is the one Link gets sent back to.
Second timeline is the one that Zelda sends Link back FROM.

First:
Majora's Mask
Link's Awakening
Link to the Past
<insert Four Swords and one of the Oracle Games>

Second:
Twilight Princess
Wind Waker
Phantom Hourglass
<insert other Oracle Game>

Granted, I'm reconstructing this list from memory...

EDIT: Yeah, horribly wrong.
 

Steel

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#15
Ugh, need to find the gametrailers video. I'm fairly sure it's linked in either Games>Ideas or Games>Talk
 

Thorn

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#16
He also said he didn't want to shatter anyones idea of the Hyrule Timeline. So I think I'm just gonna make it how I said.

:p
 

Antimatter

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#17
Thorn said:
He also said he didn't want to shatter anyones idea of the Hyrule Timeline. So I think I'm just gonna make it how I said.

:p
I still think nintendo has just made a lot of it up as they went, and until later games, they really didn't care about any sort of timeline. Later games tried to establish one, but the older games just don't mess well with it in most cases.
 

Steel

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#18
Nah, they have said they have a firm timeline at their offices, they just won't release it.
 

Thorn

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#19
I'm necroing my own thread to make an announcement.

My mom gave me my old notebook today when she was clearing out her room.

In it was chapters 1-3 of this story.

Look for the story in the previews section sometime within the next couple days.
 

Ina_meishou

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#20
Awesome, looking forward to it.

About the timelines.

In december 2006 Eiji Aonuma shed some light on the timeline thing.

It does indeed split at OoT, in the timeline when Link is sent back, the Sages subdue Ganondorf, and send him into the twilight realm after failing to kill him.

One would assume that Link once again makes with the heroics in this timeline in getting the bastard to the Sages or something.

Twilight princess is in this timeline, over a hundered years afterwards, and Majoras mask is a sort of direct sequel to OoT, obviously.

The other timeline is simply a continuation, Zelda and Link remain as adults anf live their lives. WW is set hundereds of years after OoT in this second timeline, After Ganon grew so powerfull that Hyrule was flooded to contain him. Phantom Hourglass is direct sequel to WW.

He said nothing about the other games though.
 

Thorn

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#21
Ina_meishou said:
Awesome, looking forward to it.

About the timelines.

In december 2006 Eiji Aonuma shed some light on the timeline thing.

It does indeed split at OoT, in the timeline when Link is sent back, the Sages subdue Ganondorf, and send him into the twilight realm after failing to kill him.

One would assume that Link once again makes with the heroics in this timeline in getting the bastard to the Sages or something.

Twilight princess is in this timeline, over a hundered years afterwards, and Majoras mask is a sort of direct sequel to OoT, obviously.

The other timeline is simply a continuation, Zelda and Link remain as adults anf live their lives. WW is set hundereds of years after OoT in this second timeline, After Ganon grew so powerfull that Hyrule was flooded to contain him. Phantom Hourglass is direct sequel to WW.

He said nothing about the other games though.
*points to the previews section*

I'm ignoring the stated timeline :p .
 

Ina_meishou

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#22
I remember, but I still felt like telling the supposed corect one. :p
 
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