Nasuverse The Master of Fate

GenocideHeart

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#1
Just a random doodle from Notepad I whipped up yesterday when feverish. Being sick may suck, but also gets odd shit in my brain... besides bacteria, that is. :p

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"This isn't good, this isn't good, this isn't --"

Shinji Matou repeated this mantra obsessively as he ran into the night, well aware that his life depended on how fast he could run.

As he scampered down the streets of Fuyuki City, his mind couldn't help but go over the last few hours, and how it all went horribly wrong.

He had no idea what the mysterious cloaked man who had appeared into his life earlier the day had told - or done to - Sakura, to make her turn on him and have Rider nearly take his head off. Or rather, make it look like it. He was aware now that the Servant had just intended to scare him into fleeing the relative safety of the Matou household, not kill him - or he'd have been dead already by now.

That was when he ran into the other Servant, right outside his house - and into that Servant's Master.

If staring at the business end of Lancer's Gae Bolg hadn't been bad enough, his Master had downright chilled his spirit - those burning eyes behind the cold steel, the dominating sound of his voice, and above all, his mere presence being so oppressive his very soul sought to flee the man.

And flee he did.

As he rounded another corner, he looked up - and froze. Then, he desperately threw himself to the side, just at the same moment a bright ray of pure energy shot past the spot his head had been in moments ago.

"That's right. Flee, maggot. Flee before... Doom," came the metallic voice from the iron mask covering the man's face.

To his credit, Shinji tried. Getting up, he turned around and tried to flee again --

-- an attempt brutally cut short by another ray of energy shearing his legs off at the knee. With a strangled cry of agony, Shinji collapsed in a heap, burning pain lancing through his body.

As he struggled to crawl away, an armored foot came down mere millimeters from his left hand. Realizing his fate was now sealed, Shinji looked up at the figure of his executioner --

-- the man who had introduced himself as Victor von Doom mere hours before.

"A rat like you has no right to live. Even I have standards, and what you did to your own sister goes far below what even Doom finds tolerable," the grating, artificial voice came from the mask. Victor von Doom, Master of the Servant Lancer, raised his hand and pointed it at the doomed Matou boy, a faint glow beginning to build up in its palm.

"But worry not - your sister shall now serve a more worthy cause. A cause for which any man or woman should be honored to give their lives..."

As the glow intensified and grew, filling Shinji's world before the merciful darkness that ensued, the Latverian ruler's last words reached him.

"...the cause of Doom's absolute rule over Earth."

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yeah, it's a doodle written when I was feverish. Yeah, it's probably crap. Yeah, it's Doctor Doom as a Master in the Grail War, specifically as Lancer's Master.

Feel free to comment or throw out ideas. Being sick and all, I just might get something written for this if I get enough inspiration, cuz I have no idea where to go with this, honest.

EDIT: Oh, and the title is an obvious play between 'fate' and 'doom', which is really just an unpleasant version of fate, all things said.
 

Lord Raine

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#3
Doom falls, everyone dies.

Well, everyone who's a whiny rapist asswipe, at any rate. :p
 

spooky316

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#4
JiigarGhen said:
...Wow, everyone else in the Grail War is screwed. :eek:
Unless Doc Strange shows up as another master (Caster's, maybe?)
 

shout27

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#5
We all get to watch as Sakura plays seductress to Shirou, so that he can willingly join her under Doom's regime. . .
 

Ray

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#6
Doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom doom DOOOOOOOM!



Yanno, this idea made me think of something... what if G.I.R. and Zim somehow ended up as masters in the Holy Grail War?
 

Prince Charon

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#7
shout27 said:
We all get to watch as Sakura plays seductress to Shirou, so that he can willingly join her under Doom's regime. . .
Yes, please. :drool:

On a less perverted note, Doom (at least when well written, anyway) seems to have read the Evil Overlord List, and being that much smarter than Shirou (or anyone else he's likely to meet in Fuyuki), would know exactly what buttons to push.
 

shout27

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#8
Prince Charon said:
shout27 said:
We all get to watch as Sakura plays seductress to Shirou, so that he can willingly join her under Doom's regime. . .
Yes, please. :drool:

On a less perverted note, Doom (at least when well written, anyway) seems to have read the Evil Overlord List, and being that much smarter than Shirou (or anyone else he's likely to meet in Fuyuki), would know exactly what buttons to push.
Until, of course, Archer reveals that Doom is the person who blamed the war on him and was responsible for his execution. . .
 

trevelyan1983

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#9
shout27 said:
Until, of course, Archer reveals that Doom is the person who blamed the war on him and was responsible for his execution. . .
Depending on the route, Archer may not remember that. And Doom wouldn't bother, anyway - EMIYA is irellevant, because he isn't Richards. ;)
 

GenocideHeart

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#10
trevelyan1983 said:
shout27 said:
Until, of course, Archer reveals that Doom is the person who blamed the war on him and was responsible for his execution. . .
Depending on the route, Archer may not remember that. And Doom wouldn't bother, anyway - EMIYA is irellevant, because he isn't Richards. ;)
:p

It all boils down to that, doesn't it? They are not the accursed Richards.
 

elric

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#11
Also, Doom honors his debts. He wouldn't betray someone who had saved his life.
 

GenocideHeart

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#12
elric said:
Also, Doom honors his debts. He wouldn't betray someone who had saved his life.
Unless they get in his way. While he does honor his debts, he has no patience for opposition.
 

shout27

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#13
GenocideHeart said:
trevelyan1983 said:
shout27 said:
Until, of course, Archer reveals that Doom is the person who blamed the war on him and was responsible for his execution. . .
Depending on the route, Archer may not remember that. And Doom wouldn't bother, anyway - EMIYA is irellevant, because he isn't Richards. ;)
:p

It all boils down to that, doesn't it? They are not the accursed Richards.
Emiya is related to Richards on his mother's side twice-removed as a second cousin. :p
 

knight_of_ni

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#14
"ZOMGOSH Doom comes and kills all the bad guys and ends up getting the grail and the world, lollllll!!!1" <_<

Bah, this is just dull, so I will start with that. For one thing, given the way you set up the entire premise, and the comments, tells me that you are focusing on Doom kicking everyone else's asses. Okay, except the reason villains are always ahead of the main characters is because that makes the conflict more interesting. If you have a protagonist who has all the cards and all the brains, all that disappears and it becomes "the stomp of the day," and DULL, but hey, maybe that is your thing.

So hey, what if you make him into a villain that will work, right? wrong. Marvel characters are ridiculously over powered, which means that the steam rolling will still happen, only for the heroes this time, but, hey, maybe that is your thing.

Normally this is the part where I would say "but you have such and such going for you" except I can't really see a good point to this idea. See, I generally am of the same mind as F1 in that almost every idea can be written well, except....that this idea...just...bah, it reminds me of the reasons that I gave up on the Ranma section. Throw one character into another universe and all of a sudden they are the messiah of that universe <_<
 

ttestagr

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#15
Doom is fucked. Sideways. Sure, he might do well in the Grail War against everything except Ea or Berserker. Both which would really, really mess up his day.

His real problem is that he seems to be staying in the Nasu-verse and is looking to take over. And that is when he runs into the real heavy hitters, starting with the Dead Apostle Ancestors. He really has no way to deal with the upper tiers, and it isn't in his nature to ignore or make deals with them.

God forbid he actually tried something with ORT.
 

Ryuugi

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#16
ttestagr said:
Doom is fucked. Sideways. Sure, he might do well in the Grail War against everything except Ea or Berserker. Both which would really, really mess up his day.

His real problem is that he seems to be staying in the Nasu-verse and is looking to take over. And that is when he runs into the real heavy hitters, starting with the Dead Apostle Ancestors. He really has no way to deal with the upper tiers, and it isn't in his nature to ignore or make deals with them.

God forbid he actually tried something with ORT.
Well, actually, the most of the Servants are stronger the DAA's (Gilgamesh has been stated by Nasu himself to be stronger then pretty much everyone, including Arc and probably ORT. If he actually fought seriously. And how likely is that). But most of the DAA's have real weird abilities. And are really hard to kill. See: Nero.

Shiki only won because he has Plot Armor and Hax Eyes.
 

knight_of_ni

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#17
Okay. I might be wrong there, but given the nature of the comments of the guy who made it, if he makes it, it won't matter. Same with most of the people expressing interest, and honestly, I don't want to get into a power level fight, because those ultimately end up being rather silly.
 

Cornuthaum

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#18
IT isn't just Doom shows up and kicks ass, it's Doom lays down the law.

Because if there is something he doesn'T like - the damnable Reed Richards aside - it's rape.
 

knight_of_ni

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#19
Gil isn't top dog, it's been stated. Here is a link since I can't find the translated quote of Nasu's view on it.

link

It is still dull, Corn.
 

ttestagr

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#20
knight_of_ni said:
Gil isn't top dog, it's been stated. Here is a link since I can't find the translated quote of Nasu's view on it.

link

It is still dull, Corn.
I'd actually say that the first ten are completely out of the range of what a Servant can fight. If I remember Tsukihime correctly, those are the ones who's levels have ascended so high that they can't be defeated by normal conceptual abilities. Which pretty much rules out all Servants, since I can't remember any of them having conceptual weaponry.

The rest are within range for Servants to actually fight and defeat, since as a rule they are just powerful vampires with powerful gimmicks instead of the complete hax the top ten have become. Very similar to the Servants actually.

Of course, it isn't as simple as that because the DAA have the formidable advantage of their territories and minions to feed them power. Generations of experience doesn't hurt either really.
 

Ryuugi

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#22
knight_of_ni said:
Gil isn't top dog, it's been stated.á Here is a link since I can't find the translated quote of Nasu's view on it.

link

It is still dull, Corn.
I'm sorry, but I don't see anything that says Gil would lose. Especially considering Nasu has said he'd several times stronger then any other Servant. He says some of those guys can actually fight Servants. But Nasu has flat out said Gil would beat Arc at her best.

For those not following, Arc is usually at 30%. During Tsukihime, since Shiki killed her, she was at, like 10-20%. At 30%, she can kill most DAA. She also has her Marble Phantasm, which allows her to warp reality in a fashion.

And Nasu said she would lose to Gil.

This is because Gil owns the original of just about every NP, which are much stronger the Conceptual Weapons, by the way. As well as all sorts of things.

Gil owns, among other things:

A highly advanced flying machine, with Gatling guns and Nuclear Bombs. (Fate/Zero)

A spear that hits it's target, and pierces their Heart by warping casualty. (Against Hercules, I think)

A sword that inflicts wounds that can't be healed by magical means (a good weapon for vampires in general). (Against Saber, I think. It's Proto-Harpe)

A sword that is basically, a drill that pierces the heaven. (Ea)

And much, much more.

Edit: He also owns a shield that reflects magic. (Against Rin, I think)
 

sigfried27

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#23
He never said that Arc would not lose to Gil, he said that Gil is not the top. Gil's not really as "strong" as a number of people, he simply has a lot of shit.

http://tatari.110mb.com/fuyuki/totallyunof...werrankings.htm

Though it is an unofficial list, since power comparissons are almost always going to be a matter of speculation, it gives a rough outline of what the comparitive power levels of individuals might be. Further down, it examines the comparisson between Arc and Gil in a fight. Gil is said to most likely be able to win, if only because fighting style wise, he is a terrible match up for Arc. Arc is a bit hampered in how much of her power she can use at any given time anyways it would seem.

The main point being made before was that while Gil is strong in the Nasu-verse, it is highly unlikely that he is going to stand much of a chance against beings like ORT or Primate Murder. It takes 7 Counter Guardians, the basis for Servants, to subdue Primate Murder, and ORT is simply off the charts in terms or raw power. Likewise, Crimson Moon and Zelretch in his human prime would have also most likely been above Gil. Altrogue would also most likely beat him if only for the fact that Primate Murder obeys her

In the end though, it is all situational how most fights would end. Like in the results, you can see that Nanaya, Shiki's fighting side, is ranked lower then pretty much everyone that he killed throughout the game. Power ranking comparissons are relative like that.
 

GenocideHeart

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#24
Doom is not nearly top dog if he was in the Nasuverse. Period. He'd lose horribly in a direct fight against quite a lot of people, hence why he sticks with having a Servant here.

However, that didn't stop him from stealing the power from entities that, by all rights, should have obliterated him with a stray thought (Galactus twice, Terrax, the Beyonder and Thanos).

The thing about Doom is that he's not stupid. He generally knows when charging in guns a-blazin' is foolish, and likes to stay in the background and plot, unless he's reasonably sure it's worth getting involved in person.

Or, like in this snippet, if he feels someone needs to be punished by his hand personally. For some reason, Doom has an extreme distaste of rapists, despite doing shit that could be construed as much worse himself, and doesn't tolerate such actions.

Personally, I think that Doom easily counts as a Magus in his own right. In the Marvelverse, he constantly dabbles in the mystical arts, being good enough to actually force Mephisto to take steps to keep him in check, so if he was translated to the Nasuverse, he'd probably be good enough, between his armor and his mystical arts, to give a whole lot of people fits in a fight, even if he wouldn't necessarily win.

Just my opinion, though.
 
#25
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Doom supposed to be next in line for Sorcerer Supreme if Dr. Strange dies/vanishes/is corrupted?
 
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