The Unlikely Relatives Game!
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Just out of curiosity, can you point me to the difference in the LATIN ALPHABETH between two names written in it from japanese?
Kanji only matter squat when you are, y'know... actually WRITING IN JAPANESE in this case. What matters is that the Westerner readers will see the same last name and act accordingly. You won't find many nitpickers of that part.
Furthermore, the idea at the base of this thread is a crack crossover. Crack needs to make sense about as much as I need AIDS.
I rest my case. You are indeed nitpicking.
Kanji only matter squat when you are, y'know... actually WRITING IN JAPANESE in this case. What matters is that the Westerner readers will see the same last name and act accordingly. You won't find many nitpickers of that part.
Furthermore, the idea at the base of this thread is a crack crossover. Crack needs to make sense about as much as I need AIDS.
I rest my case. You are indeed nitpicking.
Actually, in most cases this would be true, but not all.
Kanako Ohno and Tofu Ono are one of the exceptions, however, as the pronunciation and spelling [as in Romanji/Latin alphabet] is different. In other cases it's more like "Mr. Than", and "Mr. Then" being related (Somehow, I can't come up with a better example, sue me).
And I object to you saying that crack doesn't need to make sense. No, it doesn't have to, sometimes that's even the point, but saying that as an excuse just makes it seem shoddy.
Kanako Ohno and Tofu Ono are one of the exceptions, however, as the pronunciation and spelling [as in Romanji/Latin alphabet] is different. In other cases it's more like "Mr. Than", and "Mr. Then" being related (Somehow, I can't come up with a better example, sue me).
And I object to you saying that crack doesn't need to make sense. No, it doesn't have to, sometimes that's even the point, but saying that as an excuse just makes it seem shoddy.
You know, I've just had an idea inspired by this thread.
Well, kinda two, but hey, who's counting?
1) Dr. Ulen Hibiki is determined to ensure that his son is as far removed from his ancestor from Nerima and makes Kira the Ultimate Coordinator as canon. I know it's not much, but it does give the backstory an in-joke that those who get would smile at.
Of course, one could also have Ulen program in things like Ryoga's toughness and ability to blame the wrong person. Though that second thing would be a side effect
2) Dr Hibiki has a "bad day" at the lab. However, the results of this aren't fully known until many years later.
He also decides that his son needs a "proper" name, unlike many of the people in the future/Gundam Universes
That name? Daniel, though it's frequently shortened to Dan.
Well, kinda two, but hey, who's counting?
1) Dr. Ulen Hibiki is determined to ensure that his son is as far removed from his ancestor from Nerima and makes Kira the Ultimate Coordinator as canon. I know it's not much, but it does give the backstory an in-joke that those who get would smile at.
Of course, one could also have Ulen program in things like Ryoga's toughness and ability to blame the wrong person. Though that second thing would be a side effect
2) Dr Hibiki has a "bad day" at the lab. However, the results of this aren't fully known until many years later.
He also decides that his son needs a "proper" name, unlike many of the people in the future/Gundam Universes
That name? Daniel, though it's frequently shortened to Dan.
The funny thing is:
The US translation is the ONLY one that spells Kanako's last name as 'Ohno'. The French, Spanish, German *and* Italian translations all spell it Ono.
I normally don't just go blindly with the majority, but when the disagreeing source is alone in the translation, it gets a little harder to regard it...
Just a small detail. :huh.:
The US translation is the ONLY one that spells Kanako's last name as 'Ohno'. The French, Spanish, German *and* Italian translations all spell it Ono.
I normally don't just go blindly with the majority, but when the disagreeing source is alone in the translation, it gets a little harder to regard it...
Just a small detail. :huh.:
Except for the fact that the 'Oh' in her name is the kanji '?', which can either be spelled 'dai' [??] or 'oo' [??] (romanized often as 'oh', like with 'Tohsaka', though it isn't the same kanji). The 'o' in Tofu's last name is not one of the few that get spelled that way. I dunno 'bout you, but if the original language says it's that way, then I'm going to go with that.
Romanization seems to be different between anglosaxon languages and latin ones, then. Because Rin's last name is ALSO spelled Tosaka over here, with no H.
In fact, I have nboticed that names such as Tohsaka are spelled with the 'oh' romanization pretty much only by english speakers. Must be because in english, a H is a mute sound, while in Latin, it is not, and thus sounds very, very different.
So yeah... I suspect it's a matter of what language you are using, because 'Tohsaka' does NOT sound faithful to the original at all when spelled in Italian, since the Latin H is not a mute sound like the English H.
In fact, I have nboticed that names such as Tohsaka are spelled with the 'oh' romanization pretty much only by english speakers. Must be because in english, a H is a mute sound, while in Latin, it is not, and thus sounds very, very different.
So yeah... I suspect it's a matter of what language you are using, because 'Tohsaka' does NOT sound faithful to the original at all when spelled in Italian, since the Latin H is not a mute sound like the English H.
Yeah, the 'h' IS a more English romanization, but it's one of the more valid ones I've seen out of the many varieties with those 'oo' spellings. I've seen 'ou', 'ho' (?!), 'oo' and ''. Out of them, only 'oo' and '' are valid besides 'oh', but having no extension on it is also not right.
Still, the main point is in that Ohno and Ono are spelled (even if it's not with an 'h', it IS supposed to be different) and pronounced differently.
Still, the main point is in that Ohno and Ono are spelled (even if it's not with an 'h', it IS supposed to be different) and pronounced differently.
I can see your point.
Of course, I can also invalidate this whole argument by pointing out that it's fiction, and fiction is known for making even more unlikely excuses in order to get a story going.
I mean, what's more outrageous? Me claiming Kanako and Tofu share the same last name or you sticking a PENIS on Rei?
-_-
Of course, I can also invalidate this whole argument by pointing out that it's fiction, and fiction is known for making even more unlikely excuses in order to get a story going.
I mean, what's more outrageous? Me claiming Kanako and Tofu share the same last name or you sticking a PENIS on Rei?
-_-
GH, that was never the point.
If you want to make a fic based on Kanako and Tofu being related, go right ahead. I've seen fics with people suddenly becoming related with less of an excuse than having similar last names, so it's easily workable. However, you were saying that they were same in all but kanji, which was not true, so I made the point of bringing that up.
Still, I'm not sure what you're implying by bringing up Grasping. As if writing that made any of what I said less valid. -_-
If you want to make a fic based on Kanako and Tofu being related, go right ahead. I've seen fics with people suddenly becoming related with less of an excuse than having similar last names, so it's easily workable. However, you were saying that they were same in all but kanji, which was not true, so I made the point of bringing that up.
Still, I'm not sure what you're implying by bringing up Grasping. As if writing that made any of what I said less valid. -_-
If you prefer, I can concede that in English, it's not the same. But that's all I'm conceding, because from my (Italian) viewpoint, Ohno is the INcorrect spelling. You'll have to settle for that. :huh:
And I essentially brought Grasping up because all of this started from a pure nitpicking from SMWhat. I see him complain about the last names not matching... when we have fanfics whose premise is that Rei has a penis, which is about as WTF as his own Hope/Hopper analogy.
To put it bluntly, his complaints may make sense, but are also woefully out of place, are killing the thread, and in general I'd like it if they were kept OUT of it.
Bottom line: if you and anyone else want to be anal about spelling, do it. Just NOT in this thread. Make another in rants, or bring it up on Gabbly, I don't give a rat's ass which one, but leave the topic alone for people who are actually interested in the basic idea and don't much care for technicalities that are, for the most part, only applicable to people who 1) give a damn about correct spelling of foreign last names that look the same in other languages; and 2) actually know enough Japanese to be aware that there was a misspelling in the first place.
Sorry if I'm sounding overly harsh, but this whole argument feels obscenely pointless to me. I only got involved in it in hopes of quashing it before it got out of control, but given how I obtained the opposite effect, I'm just cracking down on the OT.
Make another thread for it, if you like, but please, please stop bringing it up here. I don't mind OT, normally, but this particular tangent is killing the thread, and that's something I am not inclined to let happen.
That is all. Now move on with the actual topic.
And I essentially brought Grasping up because all of this started from a pure nitpicking from SMWhat. I see him complain about the last names not matching... when we have fanfics whose premise is that Rei has a penis, which is about as WTF as his own Hope/Hopper analogy.
To put it bluntly, his complaints may make sense, but are also woefully out of place, are killing the thread, and in general I'd like it if they were kept OUT of it.
Bottom line: if you and anyone else want to be anal about spelling, do it. Just NOT in this thread. Make another in rants, or bring it up on Gabbly, I don't give a rat's ass which one, but leave the topic alone for people who are actually interested in the basic idea and don't much care for technicalities that are, for the most part, only applicable to people who 1) give a damn about correct spelling of foreign last names that look the same in other languages; and 2) actually know enough Japanese to be aware that there was a misspelling in the first place.
Sorry if I'm sounding overly harsh, but this whole argument feels obscenely pointless to me. I only got involved in it in hopes of quashing it before it got out of control, but given how I obtained the opposite effect, I'm just cracking down on the OT.
Make another thread for it, if you like, but please, please stop bringing it up here. I don't mind OT, normally, but this particular tangent is killing the thread, and that's something I am not inclined to let happen.
That is all. Now move on with the actual topic.
Ukyo Kuonji (Ranma) and Alice Kuonji (Type-Moon character).
Please ignore the brutalization of Alice's story.
The story began with a glance. The man, his name being unimportant, spied her when she walked briskly out of a high-class all girls' school. It was love at first sight - or perhaps it would be better to class it as obsession.
Using his family branch of martial arts (or rather, ninjutsu) he was able to follow her despite her almost inhuman perception (something he noted when she almost spotted him). Strangely, his family heirloom seems to react oddly when he crosses the threshold of her home.
He doesn't actually meet her face to face for at least three months, watching her and seeing how... unfriendly she is to almost everyone. When he does, he appears suddenly, but he doesn't bother to hide the fact that he's been stalking her, assuming (correctly) that she had been aware of it.
Bluntly, she declares, "If you fall in love with me, you will suffer for it."
Not caring, or perhaps not comprehending in his obsession, he states that it doesn't matter.
Their relationship began in that unusual way. He was a mere seventeen-year-old while she was barely fifteen at the time. Later, he learned, that she was the sole heir to a tycoon empire, although it didn't come as much of a surprise considering the place of her education.
Despite his attempts at wooing her, he never truly accomplished grasping at her heart, even after she bore him a daughter a year later. Soon after however, he became aware of a fact about his lover:
Designated to be Sealed.
Strangely, the man wasn't upset by this, having come to accept that something as such would happen. In the end, he decided to have their child grown up without such influences as the Association and her inheritance. She had no objections, but her confession to him before he left was a shock.
"I... have come to care for you. You should tread lightly."
A witch must not fall in love with the male that becomes the father. The more they love each other, the sadder the conclusion.
The man was shocked by her parting words of affection, as he had long given up having her come to love him in any regard. Warmed, yet also chilled by fate that would likely await him, he left.
Six years later, he found his end in a wasting sickness. Having long expected this, yet not really prepared for it, the man quickly directed his offspring's future by engaging her to a traveling martial artist's child and gave a (paltry) dowry to seal the deal, citing only that the martial artist take his daughter with him on his journey.
Unfortunately, the martial artist was a rogue, and took the dowry without the daughter. However, seeing the sad, yet angry eyes his child held, the man set her on to the path of hunting her wayward fiancÚe. Telling her not to return until she had take the boy's life, or his virtue, the man promptly died a week later.
A matter of years after that, the daughter (who's name, if you couldn't guess, is Ukyo) had found her childhood friend turned fiancÚe and was in the middle of courting him - to a degree.
All was fairly stable, until a certain red-haired magician came into town...
Oh, and for reference, the kanji IS the same. ^^
Please ignore the brutalization of Alice's story.
The story began with a glance. The man, his name being unimportant, spied her when she walked briskly out of a high-class all girls' school. It was love at first sight - or perhaps it would be better to class it as obsession.
Using his family branch of martial arts (or rather, ninjutsu) he was able to follow her despite her almost inhuman perception (something he noted when she almost spotted him). Strangely, his family heirloom seems to react oddly when he crosses the threshold of her home.
He doesn't actually meet her face to face for at least three months, watching her and seeing how... unfriendly she is to almost everyone. When he does, he appears suddenly, but he doesn't bother to hide the fact that he's been stalking her, assuming (correctly) that she had been aware of it.
Bluntly, she declares, "If you fall in love with me, you will suffer for it."
Not caring, or perhaps not comprehending in his obsession, he states that it doesn't matter.
Their relationship began in that unusual way. He was a mere seventeen-year-old while she was barely fifteen at the time. Later, he learned, that she was the sole heir to a tycoon empire, although it didn't come as much of a surprise considering the place of her education.
Despite his attempts at wooing her, he never truly accomplished grasping at her heart, even after she bore him a daughter a year later. Soon after however, he became aware of a fact about his lover:
Designated to be Sealed.
Strangely, the man wasn't upset by this, having come to accept that something as such would happen. In the end, he decided to have their child grown up without such influences as the Association and her inheritance. She had no objections, but her confession to him before he left was a shock.
"I... have come to care for you. You should tread lightly."
A witch must not fall in love with the male that becomes the father. The more they love each other, the sadder the conclusion.
The man was shocked by her parting words of affection, as he had long given up having her come to love him in any regard. Warmed, yet also chilled by fate that would likely await him, he left.
Six years later, he found his end in a wasting sickness. Having long expected this, yet not really prepared for it, the man quickly directed his offspring's future by engaging her to a traveling martial artist's child and gave a (paltry) dowry to seal the deal, citing only that the martial artist take his daughter with him on his journey.
Unfortunately, the martial artist was a rogue, and took the dowry without the daughter. However, seeing the sad, yet angry eyes his child held, the man set her on to the path of hunting her wayward fiancÚe. Telling her not to return until she had take the boy's life, or his virtue, the man promptly died a week later.
A matter of years after that, the daughter (who's name, if you couldn't guess, is Ukyo) had found her childhood friend turned fiancÚe and was in the middle of courting him - to a degree.
All was fairly stable, until a certain red-haired magician came into town...
Oh, and for reference, the kanji IS the same. ^^
Lets see...
Kusanagi Motoko (Ghost in the Shell)
Kusanagi Kei (Please Teacher)
Kusanagi Kyo (Street Fighter)
Drake Anderson (R.O.D.)
Alexander Anderson (Hellsing)
...and...
Amy Anderson (bastards at DiC getting their hands on Sailor Moon :sick2: )
...however to fix that problem...
Mizuno Ami (Sailor Moon)
Mizuno Haruka (Desert Punk)
Mizuno Suzume (Konjiki no Gash!! aka Zatch Bell!)
Hum...that's all I got for now...
Kusanagi Motoko (Ghost in the Shell)
Kusanagi Kei (Please Teacher)
Kusanagi Kyo (Street Fighter)
Drake Anderson (R.O.D.)
Alexander Anderson (Hellsing)
...and...
Amy Anderson (bastards at DiC getting their hands on Sailor Moon :sick2: )
...however to fix that problem...
Mizuno Ami (Sailor Moon)
Mizuno Haruka (Desert Punk)
Mizuno Suzume (Konjiki no Gash!! aka Zatch Bell!)
Hum...that's all I got for now...