Thoughts of Shipping

NuitTombee

NuitTombee

Immortal Capo
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The recent upheaval by J.K. Rowling got me thinking about another ship that I was curious about. This thread can be used for any ship that you're curious about.
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Jelsa [Jack Frost (RotG) & Else (Frozen)]

Okay, I'm kinda curious about the Jelsa ship tumblr seems to love. When I first saw it my immediate thought was they they put them together because they both had ice powers. I looked at some posts as to why they ship it and most deny that the powers are what made them pair the two.

Having not watched either movie, but being constantly bombarded with images of the ship, I've grown curious. Minus their powers, does the pairing make sense in any way?
 
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Emerald Oracle

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Somewhat? Both characters HAVE characters that are somewhat derived from the whole ice Power thing, which means that they have a great deal in common. Both were seriously isolated for long stretches of time because of their supernatural status and each has a desire for friends and family. Jack AND Elsa have this sense of Winter Fun about them by the end of their respective movies as well so there's that too. The particular fan-comic that I think shows why it works is the one where Elsa is making her castle and Jack sorta pep talks her even though he's invisible and unnoticeable to her. He tries to cheer her up and ends up amazed at her skill and beauty at the end after she makes a giant Ice Palace.

TLDR: they have similar character arcs and a great deal in common AS characters, so it's probably as valid as any other Crossover ship
 
PCHeintz72

PCHeintz72

The Sentient Fanfic Search Engine mk II
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The recent upheaval by J.K. Rowling got me thinking about another ship that I was curious about. This can be use for any ship at all that you're curious about.
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It is a pointless and unneeded upheaval the fans themselves are going to perpetuate.

Why... because it IMHO changes absolutely nothing.

While some disagree, I've never considered what is clearly author intent or creator intent (or as in this case, changing whimsy) to matter one whit against actual canon material within continuity medium (be it game, book, manga, anime, etc.), no matter the series. If she suddenly announced that Potter was really 10ft tall, had green skin, and demonic blood ties it would be just as relevant and effective. Meaning, not at all, because not one word is changed in any of the existing books.

It also does not change the literally hundreds of thousands of stories out there both finished and unfinished, fan fiction authors will make whatever pairings they desire, no matter the canon source.

If she had really wanted a different ending, she should have made a different ending. Or create new material containing that ending as a alternate canon ending, or some such.

As it is... it should not matter nor be taken as anything other than an attempt at creating confusion in the fan base or media attention. After all, this is not the first such announcement made like this... look at her announcement of Dumbledorf being gay.

Not even the first series creator to do something like this. Statements by Rumiko Takahashi on Ranma, or the creator Love Hina series after the manga, to name two examples. Are the same.
 
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lord geryon

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PCHeintz72 said:
Statements by Rumiko Takahashi on Ranma, or the creator Love Hina series after the manga, to name two examples. Are the same.
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Hadn't heard anything like this. What did they say?
 
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jaredstar

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at a guess they said something along the lines that the canon pairing were a mistake
 
PCHeintz72

PCHeintz72

The Sentient Fanfic Search Engine mk II
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lord geryon said:
PCHeintz72 said:
Statements by Rumiko Takahashi on Ranma, or the creator Love Hina series after the manga, to name two examples. Are the same.
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Hadn't heard anything like this. What did they say?
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I meant they were similar in that creators made statements after the completion of their respective canon continuities that were not really provable for their respective series, not that they did the exact same ting and stated the canon pairings were incorrect, because that is not what they did.

In the case of Love Hina... it is the statement I've been told was made by the creator in the visual novels that Haruka was to be Keitaros cousin, not aunt, in the manga continuity. But no where in manga continuity pages or the anime/OAV episodes is that stated and provable. In point of fact, at least in manga/anime canon, whether cousins or aunt makes 0 difference to the events that occurred.

In the case of Ranma, it is from a interview made after the series ended that the Spring of Drowned Boy would have worked on Ranma had he ever been exposed to it. Considering he was right there at Jusekyo the guide could have walked him over to the pool and told him to go cure himself... so that is a iffy statement to consider part of canon.
 
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lord geryon

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Ah, I thought it would be similar to what jaredstar mentioned, a change of heart on the canon pairing.

Keitaro/Motoko 4evah! :p
 
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lhklan

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Eh, as long as it's good, I don't really care. (except for shonen-ai or yaoi. I'd avoid them since it just doesn't feel right with me somehow)

And I agree with PCHeintz somewhat. Rowling's new statement probably won't change the fandom much - aside from fanning a new Shipping War - since they can chose to ignore it. (Actually, if I remember correctly, the most popular pairing in the HP fandom isn't Harry/Hermione. It's Harry/Draco.)
 
PCHeintz72

PCHeintz72

The Sentient Fanfic Search Engine mk II
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I do not read Harry Potter... but here are some statistics doing a simple quick check:

According to FF.NET actual matchup classifications (not entirely accurate since they only recently changed to this system, but these are people whom bothered to tag their stories as such), the below is of 2354 stories where Harry matchups are actually specified in the current setup.

In descending order, Harry matched with:

Draco - 712
Ginny - 403
Hermoine - 381
Severus - 182
OC - 94
TomRJr - 91
Luna - 60
Daphne - 56
Voldemort - 55
Lucius - 24
NTonks - 24
Ron - 24
Charlie - 22
Pansy - 19
Remus - 17
Blaise - 14
Fleur - 14
Cedric - 13
Neville - 12
Sirius - 12
Susan - 9
Gabrielle - 7
Cho - 6
George - 6
Lavender - 6
Bellatrix - 5
Theodore - 5
Bill - 4
Fenrir - 4
Katie - 4
Padma - 4
Alicia - 3
Barty - 3
Cormac - 3
Hannah - 3
Lily - 3
Oliver - 3
Viktor - 3
Dudley - 2
Fred - 2
JamesP - 2
Kingsley - 2
Marcus - 2
Narcissa - 2
Percy - 2
Rabastan - 2
Romilda - 2
Salazar - 2
Scorpius - 2
Seamus - 2
Adrian - 1
AlbusD - 1
AlbusSP - 1
Dean - 1
Fay - 1
Fereneze - 1
Frank - 1
Godric - 1
Gregory - 1
Hedwig - 1
Lee - 1
Megan - 1
Minerva - 1
Orion - 1
Rowena - 1
Sanguini - 1
Scabior - 1
Su - 1
Tracy - 1
WGrubbly - 1

Wow... those are some pretty depressing matchup statistics...
 
TC_Hazard

TC_Hazard

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Shipping is okay. As long as people don't get too obsessed about it, it's cool. It's not unusual for the canon pairing to be unsatisfying; so shipping other characters just comes naturally after a point.
 
coconutED

coconutED

some guy
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Point of Order:

PCHeintz72 said:
In the case of Ranma, it is from a interview made after the series ended that the Spring of Drowned Boy would have worked on Ranma had he ever been exposed to it. Considering he was right there at Jusekyo the guide could have walked him over to the pool and told him to go cure himself... so that is a iffy statement to consider part of canon.
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The "instant" stuff worked fine (albeit only temporarily), so the notion that the standard Boy water would also work seems fairly reasonable.

That is all. Carry on.
 
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