Nasuverse Thu'um of a Distant Utopia

[Elvarein]

@ragnarock
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Hwa?

Thats a very very interesting interpretation of Skyrim. Especially since when the villagers try to fight the Dragons they die like flies and I have to desperately try to save them in Skyrim. I would rather say they are brave idiots.

Also don't forget the FSN Lore where the humans of Saber's Time where all much more powerful then the modern average person. In fact they would be on par if not greater then Skyrim's people. Thus, Saber being the King of Knights is pretty damned impressive.

Finally, its a previlage that we get to read people's works and not their previlage to write for us.

@ raedric haha, can you imagine Gilgamesh being in the position? He's totally wreck everything and make himself King.

 

[bmsattler]

next you'll be telling us how she's not using the save/reload function properly, or that she should have read the guide and known that Delphine was an important NPC. This is just getting silly.

 

[ragnarok1337]

@ragnarock
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Hwa?

Thats a very very interesting interpretation of Skyrim. Especially since when the villagers try to fight the Dragons they die like flies and I have to desperately try to save them in Skyrim. I would rather say they are brave idiots.

Also don't forget the FSN Lore where the humans of Saber's Time where all much more powerful then the modern average person. In fact they would be on par if not greater then Skyrim's people. Thus, Saber being the King of Knights is pretty damned impressive.

Finally, its a previlage that we get to read people's works and not their previlage to write for us.

@ raedric haha, can you imagine Gilgamesh being in the position? He's totally wreck everything and make himself King.

It is much harder to take someone seriously when they continue to misspell your name.

Edit: And for the record, I rather liked Saber in Fate/Stay Night. However, the way she is being written in this fanfic irritates me so much. If hse were in the same position as she was in FSN her attitude would be understandable, but right now she's in a foreign land where no one gives two fucks who she was earlier, and merit is based on deeds. She is a human right now, and other than being (supposedly) Dragonborn she has nothing going for her. And that is only the word of a bunch of (assumed) traitors and/or bandits.

Actually, I don't remember Saber being this much of a jerkass and haughty as hell even in Fate/Stay Night. Characterization FAIL.

 

[The Eromancer]

next you'll be telling us how she's not using the save/reload function properly, or that she should have read the guide and known that Delphine was an important NPC. This is just getting silly.

THIS. thisthisthisthisthis

Stop Meta game thinking!

 

[ttestagr]

@ragnarock
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Hwa?

Thats a very very interesting interpretation of Skyrim. Especially since when the villagers try to fight the Dragons they die like flies and I have to desperately try to save them in Skyrim. I would rather say they are brave idiots.

Also don't forget the FSN Lore where the humans of Saber's Time where all much more powerful then the modern average person. In fact they would be on par if not greater then Skyrim's people. Thus, Saber being the King of Knights is pretty damned impressive.

Finally, its a previlage that we get to read people's works and not their previlage to write for us.

@ raedric haha, can you imagine Gilgamesh being in the position? He's totally wreck everything and make himself King.

It is much harder to take someone seriously when they continue to misspell your name.

Edit: And for the record, I rather liked Saber in Fate/Stay Night. However, the way she is being written in this fanfic irritates me so much. If hse were in the same position as she was in FSN her attitude would be understandable, but right now she's in a foreign land where no one gives two fucks who she was earlier, and merit is based on deeds. She is a human right now, and other than being (supposedly) Dragonborn she has nothing going for her. And that is only the word of a bunch of (assumed) traitors and/or bandits.

Actually, I don't remember Saber being this much of a jerkass and haughty as hell even in Fate/Stay Night. Characterization FAIL.

Eh? Saber was in a position of subservience from the very beginning of both wars, where her very existence relied upon her master. It was a deal she made herself, so she was willing to be the lacky.

That... is not the case here. See how she reacts to Gilgamesh and Alexander. She's the King and does not take her dignity being disrespected lightly. What is more, she's in canon descended from dragons along with the incredible power that implies.

That fact gives Saber one more thing going for her. She can personally scythe through just about any army singlehandedly since her actual flesh form is more powerful than the output she got when she was under Shirou. She will be at the same level of power that she was at when Rin was her master, a level that had Gilgamesh back the fuck away and not want to fight against. And flat out admit had the possibility of defeating him.

 

[deviatesfish]

So I'm supposed to write a story where peasants kill dragons with ease because dragons don't scale to levels? Perhaps I should also have horses that become invisible? have Saber fall through the world? Make it so that Saber can't kill essential characters?

Get the fuck out of here, ragnarok1337. Don't come back if you're going to be an unreasonable idiot.


To everyone else, thanks for the comments. That Saber did not go immediately to look to her band or to the health of the citizens of Riverwood, well that's because her band have all but crowded the area and already doing everything they could to help. Hadvar and Ralof know their own friends better than her, and they can coordinate the rescue better than her.

I had neglected to write this in, earlier because I thought it would have been a minor detail compared to Saber needing answers. Of course, like I said in the first post, this is all posted in rough draft and without any proofing, so it's a detail that I had neglected.

 

[Aarik]

Oh God...

ragnarok1337, this fic is set in the game world, yes, but it is NOT THE GAME.

Saber isn't a pc who can only do what the programmer's put in option's for, it IS possible for her to, say, kill someone you can't kill in the game because their quest essential, and piss off people you probably shouldn't piss off.

Because she doesn't have a FAQ or a Guide, because she's not playing a video game.

 

[Vorpal]

Actually, I don't remember Saber being this much of a jerkass and haughty as hell even in Fate/Stay Night. Characterization FAIL.

Hello. In this fic, Saber has very consistently shown extraordinary consideration to people she owes nothing to, from acting the peacemaker, to organizing them to a credible threat against a force ravaging their homeland, to consciously taking blows that would have killed them herself, to leading what appears to be a random woman that jumps on stupid conclusions and tries to kill all of them.

This double standard you and GH having going is getting really old. Delphine's reactions do indeed make sense considering what just went down in her village, and so she gets a pass for trying to kill innocent people. Yet Saber just went through all of that and more, she was just collapsed into delirium if not for the Dragon soul, and the worst thing she does is... use a condescending tone on someone who just tried to kill her. Onoes?

It's a bit ironic: you're complaining about "Saber fanboys", yet you're the one arguing that she should have more perfect social conflict resolutions. Actually, I kind of agree that it could have been written better, but to spin that situation into some critical indictment of character is just nonsense.

 

[deviatesfish]

Vorpal, could you give me some pointers on how to write it better perhaps? I've been a tad unmotivated as of late and I can't seem to see how I could make the scene better other than to add a lot of information. I'm a bit frustrated because the next segment of this isn't coming out and I'm unsure of how to fix this part to make it easier to write the next.

 

[ragnarok1337]

I give up. The bitch of a king and knight drove me out, as well as her fanboys.

Deviates, you usually write well. This story is a major exception. I don't get where you got the idea that I am hostile to you all the time, but it is FALSE.

*throws up hands in exasperation and disgust*

 

[Deathwings]

You guys are wasting your breath. GH is in full fanboy mode and he won't listen to anything you say. He just doesn't do compromise.

 

[Liam-don]

Just to illustrate, this is what I said. Repeatedly.

And Saber isn't telling her to swear fealty or any shit like that, only demanding answers about what the hell is going on.

Besides, Saber isn't asking her anything particularly nasty, like her secret indentity

she (Delphine) can just part with the generalities Saber doesn't know anyway and keep the rest to herself for now

(Delphine) give the sort of information you could get from any random bard [...] in order to defuse the situation and gain the room to obverve things at her leisure

This is the strawman GH is arguing against.

So, so unreasonable. Obviously, she should surrender to Saber her life, earthly possessions, and all her knowledge because defending oneself based on a justified assumption in a dangerous war-torn land is absolutely not kosher at all, right?

This discussion is going places, I can tell.

 

[Liam-don]

On a completely different note, there's a section that has been bothering me every time I read it.

ôYears ago, the Empire was defeated by the Aldmeri Dominion, which is ruled by the Thalmor. The Thalmor forced the Empire into something known as the White-Gold Concordat, which banned the worship of Talos. But other than that, this had allowed the two nations a peace that we have tried toàö Hadvar tried to explain, but was interrupted by Ralof.

ôWhat Hadvar neglected to mention is that the majority of Skyrim, worships Talos. Skyrim was the northern mostà provinceà of the Empire and the place where the best of the EmpireÆs warriors and soldiers came from. When the Thalmor banned Talos, the White-Gold Concordat allowed them to travel through Imperial lands to hunt down any and all Talos worshipersà and allowed them to kill them on whim, and with extreme hatred,ö Ralof added vehemently.

ôSo the Ulfric Stormcloak thought it would be a great idea to kill SkyrimÆs High King!ö Hadvar threw his hands up in the air futilely, ôAs if the Empire had enough problems as it was already!ö

ôWell, not a single one of the Jarls of Skyrim was even consulted when your Emperor agreed to this White-Gold Concordat!ö Ralof rebutted. Both menÆs faces were red, not from shouting, but from anger. ôWhat right does the Empire who doesnÆt care about its citizens have, to dictate what god we worship?!ö

ôAhem,ö she cleared her throat loudly. This time, she caught the attention of both men. Perhaps they did not want to be blown onto their asses again. She summarized what they had stated thus far, ôSo what you are telling me is this: both your Empire and your Skyrim are being hurt by the Thalmor, who seem to be your true enemies, correct?ö At their nod, she continued, ôI would want to ask why you did not simply band together to defeat this Aldmeri Dominion, butàö

Essentially Hadvar and Ralof say, "we got our asses kicked by the Elves so our empire, which includes Skyrim, sued for peace. One of the conditions plunged Skyrim in a civil war." Saber answers "why aren't you uniting and going to war with the Elves?"

Well, because they tried that and got their asses kicked? Like they just said? It's like she missed the important part.

 

[raedric]

Might be better for her to word it such as "If lliving in peace with these people is worth losing who you are, what is the point in living to fight amongst yourselves?"

That is also a question I am asking, I haven't played the game and thus can't lend much to the topic.

 

[Vorpal]

Vorpal, could you give me some pointers on how to write it better perhaps? I've been a tad unmotivated as of late and I can't seem to see how I could make the scene better other than to add a lot of information. I'm a bit frustrated because the next segment of this isn't coming out and I'm unsure of how to fix this part to make it easier to write the next.

I'm not sure how much I can help you, but instead of an outright infodump, it might help to add a bit of Saber's impressions of Delphine and what 'Dragonborn' might mean in regards to putting her in a position of responsibility, etc. It might make the motivation behind her demands a bit more transparent, should you keep the last part.

The one thing I do agree with GH on is that Saber is handling the situation suboptimally... I just don't think that's a bad thing. Personal and political conflict probably should become more important eventually, anyway, because combat isn't going to cut it much further now that Saber is firing all her cylinders.

I give up. The bitch of a king and knight drove me out, as well as her fanboys.

Never even played F/SN past about a quarter of the way into the first route. If you think these kinds of passive-aggressive dismissals of everyone that disagrees with you does anything but pain you as douchebag, you're mistaken.

 

[Antimatter]

On a completely different note, there's a section that has been bothering me every time I read it.

ôYears ago, the Empire was defeated by the Aldmeri Dominion, which is ruled by the Thalmor. The Thalmor forced the Empire into something known as the White-Gold Concordat, which banned the worship of Talos. But other than that, this had allowed the two nations a peace that we have tried toàö Hadvar tried to explain, but was interrupted by Ralof.

ôWhat Hadvar neglected to mention is that the majority of Skyrim, worships Talos. Skyrim was the northern mostà provinceà of the Empire and the place where the best of the EmpireÆs warriors and soldiers came from. When the Thalmor banned Talos, the White-Gold Concordat allowed them to travel through Imperial lands to hunt down any and all Talos worshipersà and allowed them to kill them on whim, and with extreme hatred,ö Ralof added vehemently.

ôSo the Ulfric Stormcloak thought it would be a great idea to kill SkyrimÆs High King!ö Hadvar threw his hands up in the air futilely, ôAs if the Empire had enough problems as it was already!ö

ôWell, not a single one of the Jarls of Skyrim was even consulted when your Emperor agreed to this White-Gold Concordat!ö Ralof rebutted. Both menÆs faces were red, not from shouting, but from anger. ôWhat right does the Empire who doesnÆt care about its citizens have, to dictate what god we worship?!ö

ôAhem,ö she cleared her throat loudly. This time, she caught the attention of both men. Perhaps they did not want to be blown onto their asses again. She summarized what they had stated thus far, ôSo what you are telling me is this: both your Empire and your Skyrim are being hurt by the Thalmor, who seem to be your true enemies, correct?ö At their nod, she continued, ôI would want to ask why you did not simply band together to defeat this Aldmeri Dominion, butàö

Essentially Hadvar and Ralof say, "we got our asses kicked by the Elves so our empire, which includes Skyrim, sued for peace. One of the conditions plunged Skyrim in a civil war." Saber answers "why aren't you uniting and going to war with the Elves?"

Well, because they tried that and got their asses kicked? Like they just said? It's like she missed the important part.

Kinda of like how the stormcloaks fail to realize the long term disadvantage they are placing themselves in. No united front to oppose the Thalmor = easy picking for the elves. Only a matter of time till Highrock, Cryodill, and Skyrim fall to the elves if they win.

 

[The Eromancer]

On a completely different note, there's a section that has been bothering me every time I read it.

ôYears ago, the Empire was defeated by the Aldmeri Dominion, which is ruled by the Thalmor. The Thalmor forced the Empire into something known as the White-Gold Concordat, which banned the worship of Talos. But other than that, this had allowed the two nations a peace that we have tried toàö Hadvar tried to explain, but was interrupted by Ralof.

ôWhat Hadvar neglected to mention is that the majority of Skyrim, worships Talos. Skyrim was the northern mostà provinceà of the Empire and the place where the best of the EmpireÆs warriors and soldiers came from. When the Thalmor banned Talos, the White-Gold Concordat allowed them to travel through Imperial lands to hunt down any and all Talos worshipersà and allowed them to kill them on whim, and with extreme hatred,ö Ralof added vehemently.

ôSo the Ulfric Stormcloak thought it would be a great idea to kill SkyrimÆs High King!ö Hadvar threw his hands up in the air futilely, ôAs if the Empire had enough problems as it was already!ö

ôWell, not a single one of the Jarls of Skyrim was even consulted when your Emperor agreed to this White-Gold Concordat!ö Ralof rebutted. Both menÆs faces were red, not from shouting, but from anger. ôWhat right does the Empire who doesnÆt care about its citizens have, to dictate what god we worship?!ö

ôAhem,ö she cleared her throat loudly. This time, she caught the attention of both men. Perhaps they did not want to be blown onto their asses again. She summarized what they had stated thus far, ôSo what you are telling me is this: both your Empire and your Skyrim are being hurt by the Thalmor, who seem to be your true enemies, correct?ö At their nod, she continued, ôI would want to ask why you did not simply band together to defeat this Aldmeri Dominion, butàö

Essentially Hadvar and Ralof say, "we got our asses kicked by the Elves so our empire, which includes Skyrim, sued for peace. One of the conditions plunged Skyrim in a civil war." Saber answers "why aren't you uniting and going to war with the Elves?"

Well, because they tried that and got their asses kicked? Like they just said? It's like she missed the important part.

Kinda of like how the stormcloaks fail to realize the long term disadvantage they are placing themselves in. No united front to oppose the Thalmor = easy picking for the elves. Only a matter of time till Highrock, Cryodill, and Skyrim fall to the elves if they win.

except of course a united front didn't work either so no worries on that end.

 

[GenocideHeart]

Ah, You do realize Saber knows nothing of Delphine's motives, right?? In her eyes, she and her party just risked their lives to kill a dragon, and then some woman breaks out of an inn, and then tries to kill them, no questions asked.

Said person then lost the fight.

I don't see why you expect Saber to be anywhere near civil towards her till she gets some information.

That would normally be a good point, except that Saber has been basically TOLD that Stormcloaks and Imperials hate each other - hell she saw it firsthand. I'm pretty sure any properly suspicious person, SABER INCLUDED, would be more than a bit wary of people who, under normal cirrcumstances, try to KILL EACH OTHER, working together. And Delphine didn't even notice Hadvar and Ralof until they spoke up since she had to assess the situation and make a decision on the fly, so even Saber must have realized that yes, the situation she was in was more than a little suspicious from this stranger woman's point of view.

She was a King, surely even she must have had to deal with 'soldiers' of hers that were really bandits disguised as soldiers after killing her actual soldiers, and who went around robbing people while pretending to work for her? Because pretty much any King had to deal with THOSE.

As such, I am sure Saber CAN appreciate the fact Delphine was proactive. If her gang HAD indeed been bandits, hesitating could have had disastrous consequences. Anyone with even a shred of experience dealing with bandits knows that.

I am merely assuming Saber has either enough brains or enough experience to realize this. Thus, there really is no reason to hold this against Delphine, as any proper leader would have done that if they were the only valid fighter standing between potential robbers and a bunch of civilians. In that situation, I am 100% sure even Saber would attack first and ask questions later, because it's too much of a risk to take a chance and assume such a suspicious group AREN'T bandits, especially when the town has just recovered from beuing torched by a dragon and is basically without defenses of any sort.

 

[BloodRevan]

Personally, I think they have very good reasons to be working together. A rampaging dragon is very much an Enemy Mine scenario. The enemy of my enemy is a problem for later: In the mean time, they could be useful!

Also, in the event of dragon attack, I expect the average band of deserters and bandits to go the other way. Their lives, I think, would be more important to them than first chance to loot. And if they absolutely most loot, I expect they'd still wait at least a couple hours beforehand, just to be sure the dragon is not coming back!

The woman walks her ass out of hiding about five minutes after the dragon apparently leaves and immediately attacks the people she finds out there! Even if they were bandits or deserters, they are there, the dragon is not, she shouldn't have cared who they were unless they pulled weapons the moment they saw her.

They didn't, so she should have taken another moment to see if any of them were recognizable or maybe just notice the big ass dragon corpse... She very much failed a Spot Check there, Saber being just a whee bit pissed about it (as well as Delphine calling her a liar) bothers me not at all.

 

[GenocideHeart]

Personally, I think they have very good reasons to be working together. A rampaging dragon is very much an Enemy Mine scenario. The enemy of my enemy is a problem for later: In the mean time, they could be useful!

Yes, well, the commotion had died down (which was the whole reason why Delphine came out to begin with), so the sequence of events was more emerge -> see guys in Imperial and Stormcloak armor lounging around together -> must be looters moving in after dragon flew away!

The logic flow is pretty sound, and while the spot check WAS failed, depending on the position Saber was in at that moment she may simply have been in a spot that put it out of Delphine's line of sight. Happens to me all the time, so I have no trouble believing it.

Also, Enemy Mine? Go tell that to the guards that IMMEDIATELY aggro me over a goddamn Ancient just because I became a werewolf. What the hell, I'm helping you kill the lizard, you consider a werewolf more dangerous than a dragon? Okay, I know dragons are merely considered dangerous while werewolves are abominations of Hircine, but still...

(the worst part is that lore suggests this is actually in-universe attitude. Must have to do with werewolves being man-eating savage hellbeasts. Admittedly, dragons are just liable to incinerate you, werewolves are liable to rip your intestines out while you are still alive and chew on them, and all that...)

The woman walks her ass out of hiding about five minutes after the dragon apparently leaves and immediately attacks the people she finds out there! Even if they were bandits or deserters, they are there, the dragon is not, she shouldn't have cared who they were unless they pulled weapons the moment they saw her.

That is a good way to get mugged, raped and killed. I don't know if you noticed, but bandits in this game can and will calmly walk up to you and then mug you out of nowhere. Hell, one NPC even outright advises to not waste time reasoning with them and kill them outright because they will otherwise kill someone ELSE.

To Delphine their presence was basically the gods adding insult to injury - first a dragon, then not even 5 minuted after it leaves, looters already. Frankly, her going homicidal is understandable. She has to deal with Thalmor assassins out of the woodwork, there's dragons on the loose, and I'm guessing she decided 'I don't have time for this shit' and chose the quickest solution, ie slaughter all the 'bandits' (something that had Saber not been there she'd have been entirely capable of doing, by the way, woman can kill a dozen Thalmor Justicars all by herself without even a minor wound) before they can do any damage.

"Kill them all and let the Nine sort 'em out" is a valid approach when the situation is already bad as it is, and you don't want random bandits making it even worse.

I don't even like Delphine, but I feel she is fully justified in attacking out of the blue. Bandits in Skyrim can't be reasoned with, nobody in Skyrim bothers to reason with them, the typical approach is to KILL them, and Delphine was doing just that in her eyes. That Saber wasn't a bandit and/or did good deeds is irrelevant - Delphine didn't see her do any of that, Saber is a complete unknown, and she's in dubious company at best.

That's overlooking how only looters would have the balls to move in a smoking wreckage of a village so soon after a dragon attack, normally, since they'd be in a haste to grab anything not nailed down and leave before the army comes. And there was no word of a large amount of Imperials and Stormcloaks close by too - General Tullius wasn't supposed to stop in Helgen, he decided that on the fly to screw the Thalmor over, so such a large amount of mostly unknown men wearing Imperial and Stormcloak gear, under most circumstances, screams 'bandit'. And since the typical way to GET said gear involves slaughtering the previous owners... yeah, that would make them potential mass murderers in addition to bandits.

However you look at it, the most sensible choice just in case is to kill 'em. If it turns out that was a mistake, well, it sucks, but in the particular war setting Skyrim is in, it's probably the safest choice, although not very moral.

 

[BloodRevan]

(the worst part is that lore suggests this is actually in-universe attitude.

To Delphine their presence was basically the gods adding insult to injury - first a dragon, then not even 5 minuted after it leaves, looters already.

Really?! I would have assumed it was programming issues...

...Well, fuck 'em all then.

Hero doesn't mean dumbass, if I help you and then you try to kill me, assuming I don't kill you then and there, the next time you need help, you're shit out of luck. As is everyone around you, Sucks for them!

If attempts on her life is what she can expect for trying to help, I would not fault Saber if she just walks off. I'd applaud it, even.

 

[GenocideHeart]

(the worst part is that lore suggests this is actually in-universe attitude.

To Delphine their presence was basically the gods adding insult to injury - first a dragon, then not even 5 minuted after it leaves, looters already.

Really?! I would have assumed it was programming issues...

...Well, fuck 'em all then.

Hero doesn't mean dumbass, if I help you and then you try to kill me, assuming I don't kill you then and there, the next time you need help, you're shit out of luck. As is everyone around you, Sucks for them!

If attempts on her life is what she can expect for trying to help, I would not fault Saber if she just walks off. I'd applaud it, even.

The point in Saber's case is that, well... Delphine didn't see her help or anything. She came out when the commotion died down, first thing she sees are some girl she's never seen before and a bunch of Stormcloaks and Imperials NOT killing each other. Which usually never means good things in the current war-torn Skyrim.

It's like you expecting people to thank Clark Kent for Superman's actions. If they don't know he did them, what the hell do you expect them to do, grow psychic powers and read your mind? If only it were that easy, misunderstandings would never happen.

 

[BloodRevan]

The point in Saber's case is that, well... Delp0hine didn't see her help or anything. She came out when the commotion died down, first thing she sees are some girl she's never seen before and a bunch of Stormcloaks and Imperials NOT killing each other. Which usually never means good things in the current war-torn Skyrim.

It's like you expecting people to thank Clark Kent for Superman's actions. If they don't know he did them, what the hell do you expect them to do, grow psychic powers and read your mind? If only it were that easy, misunderstandings would never happen.

Err... I don't expect people to thank Clark for Superman's actions, but I do expect people Superman saves to not attempt to kill him immediately after.

But as you said, in this case is a misunderstanding as there's no real way for Delphine to know, and admittedly I neglected to realize this. But if something similar to this

Go tell that to the guards that IMMEDIATELY aggro me over a goddamn Ancient just because I became a werewolf.

happens, I think the hero should let the fools get what's coming to them. I do very much hope you gutted them, bounty be damned!

 

[GenocideHeart]

The point in Saber's case is that, well... Delp0hine didn't see her help or anything. She came out when the commotion died down, first thing she sees are some girl she's never seen before and a bunch of Stormcloaks and Imperials NOT killing each other. Which usually never means good things in the current war-torn Skyrim.

It's like you expecting people to thank Clark Kent for Superman's actions. If they don't know he did them, what the hell do you expect them to do, grow psychic powers and read your mind? If only it were that easy, misunderstandings would never happen.

Err... I don't expect people to thank Clark for Superman's actions, but I do expect people Superman saves to not attempt to kill him immediately after.

But as you said, in this case is a misunderstanding as there's no real way for Delphine to know, and admittedly I neglected to realize this. But if something similar to this

Go tell that to the guards that IMMEDIATELY aggro me over a goddamn Ancient just because I became a werewolf.

happens, I think the hero should let the fools get what's coming to them. I do very much hope you gutted them, bounty be damned!

To be completely fair, at that point it's death by dragon or death by giant man-wolf in their eyes. Do remember most werewolves are MONSTERS who will gleefully rip apart everyone and everything. The Companions are the exception, not the rule. Sinding is a more appropriate example of a werewolf, and he attacked and ripped apart a little girl over not controlling his urges.

He even rants about how he was finding her increasingly DELICIOUS.

My beef is that the guards consider the werewolf the bigger threat, not that they consider me a threat at all. The Companions don't advertise themselves, after all, so for all those guards know, the enemy of their enemy is not their ally and wants to eat them too.

 

[Archanon]

Can we please stop arguing about obscure bits of lore and programming quirks? It's annoying and has almost nothing to do with the story anymore. [/futility]