Naruto Timeline Weirdness

Knyght

The Collector
#1
I'm just taking stock of all the timeline weirdness that has cropped up in the series. If you can think of any more or throw in some corrections, then shoot.

Hiruzen becoming Hokage

Hiruzen is said to have become Hokage 31 years before the end of the Fourth Shinobi War. As he died around 4 years ago at age 69, he would have been around 42 years old at this time. But the Sannin would have been 24 years old and they first graduated at 6 years old, 49 years before the end of the war, and Hiruzen was visibly older than when he first became Hokage. We are also told that Dan died 31 years ago where we could see that Hiruzen was even older than before.

Orochimaru leaving Akatsuki

Orochimaru is said to have left Akatsuki 7 years before the timeskip. He left because he was defeated by Itachi who was a member at the time but Itachi would have only been 11 years old at the time. Yet he was able to defeat Orochimaru effortlessly, looked far older than a pre-teen and was shown as a member of Akatsuki even though it was 2 years before the Uchiha Massacre and his flight from the village.

FYI, Itachi became a chuunin at 10, joined ANBU half a year later, and became ANBU Captain at 13.

He should have killed Orochimaru after leaving Konoha at 13-14 years old.

Sasuke leaving Konoha

Based on the change in the moon, Sasuke must have left Konoha around a week or so after the Sound Four defeated him and made their offer.

The night the Sound Four attacked Sasuke.

The night Sasuke left Konoha.

The problem with this is that it meant the Sound Four were willing and able to hide in enemy territory for an entire week undiscovered, and Orochimaru was willing to wait that long despite the pain he was in and even ran out of time as Sasuke finally came to Oto.

And it means that Sasuke's decision wasn't an impulsive decision born from just waking up from Itachi's Tsukuyomi, from apparently being surpassed by Naruto and his Rasengan and from just getting his ass handed to him by the Sound Four. Instead of had the whole week to come to a decision while nothing else happened. This issue isn't too bad but it paints Sasuke's decision in the different light.

Another problem is that Rock Lee decided that he would have his surgery on the same night the Sound Four appeared but he didn't actually have the surgery until the Sasuke Retrieval Mission was underway a week later. And then he went chasing after him after his surgery on the same day and fought Kimimaro.

Three Years to Rescue Sasuke

Jiraiya tells Naruto that Orochimaru can't steal Orochimaru's body for at least 3 years. And this discussion took place on the same day the retrieval mission occured and Orochimaru had swapped his body, as far as we know. So 3 years from that day.

Between the final chapter and penultimate chapter of Part 1, there is a time skip of 3 months as Sakura only started training with Tsunade after the mission failed. Naruto's still in the village and everyone has recovered, so that 3 months out of the 3 year time limit.

After that, Naruto spent 2 and a 1/2 years on his training trip. This means that they only have three months or so to rescue Sasuke.

However Sakura states that they still have half a year to rescue Sasuke.

In the Rescue Kazekage Arc it took 3 days to reach Suna from Konoha, the time between to reach Akatsuki's hideout and Team Seven had their reunion 10 days from then. Yet this time Sai states there almost a 1/2 year left, likely taking into account the time from when Naruto return to this mission.

So the 3 months wasted pre-timeskip have been completely ignored. On top of that, when Orochimaru's time restraint comes to an end and he's able to use his jutsu to possess Sasuke, Naruto and Sakura are showing no urgency or worry over the end of the time limit.

The Second Chuunin Exam

Before the Tenchi Bridge Mission, Shikamaru is sorting out the entrants for the upcoming Chuunin Exams. With the reunion taking place around 7 days after Team Kakashi returns from Suna, it's unlikely that the mission even lasted 2 weeks.

But once they return from their failed mission to retrieve Sasuke, those Chuunin Exams are already over. Either implying that more than a month has passed since Naruto's last conversation with Shikamaru or that these Chuunin Exams are drastically different from the previous ones without any mention of it.

Tsunade being a Granddaughter

Hashirama seemed to have married Mito after Konoha was established, around 67 years before the end of the fourth war according to the fourth databook. Yet Tsunade was 55 years at the end of the fourth war which meant that she would have been born only 12 years after those two had gotten together, despite being their granddaughter.

Obito meeting Yahiko

Presuming that Yahiko would have been the same age as Nagato and Konan who died at age 35, Yahiko died 20 years ago at the age of 15 according to the fourth databook. Yet Obito is only 31 years old at the end of the war - 4 years younger - and met Yahiko before he died. But 20 years ago Obito would have been 11 years ago yet he met Yahiko as "Madara" some time after the events of the Kakashi Gaiden when he would have been around 13 years old.

Honorary Mentions

- Part 2 covering around 1 and a 1/2 years in total.

- The Konoha 12 (and everyone else) is a year older in the second databook than they are in the first regardless of when their birthday is. Including Hiruzen who died the same day the first databook ended and the second started.

- Whenever the hell Orochimaru left Konoha. Presumably before the Kyuubi Disaster but canon is unclear and the anime says fuck that.

- Anko apparently receiving the curse seal when Juugo was only a toddler. I justified it as being a prototype.

- Sasuke stretching my sod by spending two weeks in a coma and then matching Lee's unweighted speed, had identical taijutsu, learning lightning nature transformed and the Chidori in the next two weeks.

- Whenever the hell Hashirama died, especially when he lived long enough to know his granddaughter.
 

ankokudaishogun

Well-Known Member
#2
Sasuke didn't spend two weeks in a coma, he was "only" recovered in the hospital. As far as we know, they were keeping him there under observation waiting for Kakashi to getting him, and Sasuke spent that time training as far as they let him.
Also, he's a "genius" and didn't mastered Lee's taijutsu but only the parts he needed.

Also, Mito was said being from the Uzumaki clan, not from Uzushio, so it's likely she married Hashirama before the founding of the village
 

Knyght

The Collector
#3
Sasuke had life support when Kabuto went to kill him and I thought it was said that he "woke up" the night he left the hospital. But it just said that left during the night and wasn't fully recovered; he might have been in a coma, he might not have. I could understand if he was under the circumstances. We don't see him in-between those events from what I've seen. But I very much doubt he was able to do any training in the meantime if he'd been conscious for his stay at the hospital. Never said he mastered Lee's taijutsu either which is really the least bothersome part of that situation; it's when you add it all together in that small window of time.

Not sure how that suggests Mito was married before Konoha was founded. All that's said about Mito is that her name Uzumaki Mito and married the First Hokage and the rest is exposition actually more about Uzushio more than the Uzumaki Clan. And it would have been nice if it was even hinted that Hashirama had a family before Konoha's founding.

How far back would Hashirama and Mito needed to have hooked up to have a kid that would then have their own kid?
 

Prince Charon

Well-Known Member
#4
knight504 said:
How far back would Hashirama and Mito needed to have hooked up to have a kid that would then have their own kid?
That depends on how squicky Tsunade's parents' situation was.

Conception at eleven is possible, it's just very fucking creepy. Given that they send out trained killers who are six years old, I can't really put that past them, even though I want to.
 

Knyght

The Collector
#5
And suddenly I'm reminded of marriage in the middle ages. щ(゚Д゚щ)

I suppose then this isn't necessarily a problem with the timeline but could be an aspect of pre-hidden village life. If Kishimoto was deliberately implying this...yeesh.

I'd prefer to think that the Hashirama and Mito hooked up at least 4 years before Konoha's establishment so their kid would have been 16 years old or older. And that Kishimoto simply didn't think to mention and show Mito in any of his flashbacks that would imply this.
 

Altered Nova

Well-Known Member
#6
Is it ever clarified that Tsunade is also Mito's granddaughter? Maybe Hashirama had a child with another woman before marrying Mito.
 

beorn91

Well-Known Member
#7
Altered Nova said:
Is it ever clarified that Tsunade is also Mito's granddaughter? Maybe Hashirama had a child with another woman before marrying Mito.
The diamond mark on Mito's forehead when she sealed Kurama inside herself was confirmed to be the Strenght of a Hundred Seal. So Tsunade didn't created it but learned it from Mito. So she is either Mito's granddaughter or she had a very good relationship with her stepgranddaughter. The fact that Tsunade wasn't stuck on a bed at the time of the epilogue despite using several times during the series a high scale version of jutsu which shorten her lifespan would suggest that she has Uzumaki blood.
 

Cynical Kyle

Well-Known Member
#8
knight504 said:
Shit like this is the reason I tend to disregard everything outside the source material itself since supplementary materials & interviews tend to contradict established events. There would still be some issues even with manga alone like Kakashi's retconned age, but that seems to make most sense to me.
 

Knyght

The Collector
#9


At the start of Naruto, Aoba was 29 years old, Hayate was 23 years old, Ebisu was 28 years old and Raido was 31 years old.

Kakashi was 26 years old. So going by this picture we've somehow got four characters who were in the same year at the academy as then despite being 3 years younger or at least 2 years older.

So Chapter 599 didn't just retcon Kakashi's graduation/promotion ages from the looks of it, it changed the actual ages of four other characters so that they could be a part of his generaton. Which I don't really mind but it could have easily have been done that way from the very beginning.
 

Altered Nova

Well-Known Member
#10
Obito's flashback also showed that Might Guy, Genma Shiranui and Ebisu (why doesn't he have a last name?) all entered the academy in the same grade and later were put on a genin team together, despite the fact that the databooks list Ebisu as being two years older than Guy, and Genma as being three years older than Guy.

Also is that 5-year-old Asuma chatting up 5-year-old Kurenai? I can't believe I didn't notice that before.
 

atlas_hugged

Well-Known Member
#12
Before the Tenchi Bridge Mission, Shikamaru is sorting out the entrants for the upcoming Chuunin Exams. With the reunion taking place around 7 days after Team Kakashi returns from Suna, it's unlikely that the mission even lasted 2 weeks.

But once they return from their failed mission to retrieve Sasuke, those Chuunin Exams are already over. Either implying that more than a month has passed since Naruto's last conversation with Shikamaru or that these Chuunin Exams are drastically different from the previous ones without any mention of it.
We know that the chuunin exams we saw were different from the norm, because there were too many candidates between the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Its possible that with a preliminary round, more time is given between the 2nd and 3rd task to recuperate from the greater amount and quality of injury.

But a simpler solution is also possible. The schedule was just different. Chuunin exams are an international event. The hosting body has to accomodate the schedules of political figures from all over the EN, and on the third day, has to make sure as many potential clients can come as possible. It's likely that two weeks simply worked better for the most amount of people this year, while in the last exams we saw, a month gap worked best.

However, all this is based on the proposition that not more than 2 weeks passed between those scenes. We can't be sure of that.
 

Jeopardizer

Well-Known Member
#13
ankokudaishogun said:
Also, he's a "genius" and didn't mastered Lee's taijutsu but only the parts he needed.
Sasuke was said by Gai to equal Lee's speed without the weights in the finals. I'm reasonably sure that author-intervention is a more likely answer to that than any sort of genius.

Also, do you sometimes do something besides appearing to defend Sasuke as soon as his name is mentioned?
 
#14
Sasuke being a genius is canon, and in this manga, apparently, being a genius means you get to improve physically much faster than non-geniuses.
Also, Sasuke could sustain such speed only for brief time, which suggests he did learn how to use chakra to improve his physical prowess at Lee's levels but didn't have the time for his muscle to get strong enough to sustain such strain for prolonged time.
 

Altered Nova

Well-Known Member
#15
Sasuke could only maintain Lee-without-weights speeds for a few minutes before succumbing to exhaustion, while Lee could sprint around for hours. This is presumably because Sasuke used chakra to enhanced his legs to match reach that level of speed (taking a shortcut basically), while Lee did it through sheer muscles power from insane amounts of training (so he's got the raw stamina to back up his speed). So honestly, I don't think Sasuke's accomplishment was all that ridiculous. We already saw that he was good at using chakra to enhance his speed from the time he did it to avoid Haku's water needles, and later when Tobi complimented his skilled usage of Body Flicker during the Deidara-Sasuke fight. Matching Lee's speed for a short duration was just an extension of that skill.

tldr - Sasuke was basically just using a high-level Body Flicker while he was fighting Gaara, while Lee is actually that fast all the time.
 

Knyght

The Collector
#16
I was reminded on another one the other day: Zabuza's 26 years old, certainly looks like a grown man and does so even in flashbacks that take place several years before, who we're told that he killed an entire graduating class at the Kiri Academy when he was a "young boy". Yet it's said that this took place 10 years ago which would make him 15-16 years old...and remarkably small for his age going by those panels.
 

Altered Nova

Well-Known Member
#17
Zabuza's academy graduation age is listed as 9 in the databook, which fits his apparent age in that flashback much better. I'm just gonna assume that Kakashi got the date wrong and Zabuza didn't feel like correcting him.
 

Knyght

The Collector
#18
"10 years ago-"

"10 years? Do I look 19 to you? Damn, Kakashi, what's the point of that Sharingan of yours?"
 
#19
It was probably the usual "ABOUT 10 years ago", which covers 16 years, too
 

nixofcyzerra

Well-Known Member
#20
I think the translators of those scans did a blind translation. A literal translation of the phrase "ten years ago", when the actual usage of the phrase in Japan is "some years ago."

Like in Ranma 1/2, where the English translation states that about a dozen different events all took place "10 years ago."
 

sinewyk

Well-Known Member
#21
Rah, it pisses me off to know that I can't trust the translation but the problem is that the language itself seems to not be precise.

No pronouns apparently, which is why there's so many fucking gags/intrigue with people misunderstanding something they heard. I don't think I can even rationally think it's good to learn a language like that.

Even if sometimes I'm laughing my ass off with those gags, I still think the language is broken and should evolve/disappear.
 
#22
IIRC, Japanese language specifically evolved to be as vague as possible to avoid conflict
 

nixofcyzerra

Well-Known Member
#23
They also have very few "swear words." I think the literal translation of "Kuso" is "poop."
 

NMR-3

Well-Known Member
#25
Japanese cursing is more about tones of voice/unpoliteness than anything else, I thought?
 
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