Nasuverse Trace On
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In simple terms, anything he's ever seen. Since we have no idea who Archer has fought in his life, where he went or, for that matter, if weapons he saw after death (as a Counter Guardian) would be included, we have no idea what weapons he is capable of tracing beyond those that he shows in the story.
He is stated to be much less capable of tracing defensive armaments (like Achilles's armour) than offensive ones, though, and I'm not sure that Achilles's armour would be all that great anyway, because Achilles was hard to kill because, excepting for his heel, he was actually immortal, since his mother burnt away his mortal half.
He is stated to be much less capable of tracing defensive armaments (like Achilles's armour) than offensive ones, though, and I'm not sure that Achilles's armour would be all that great anyway, because Achilles was hard to kill because, excepting for his heel, he was actually immortal, since his mother burnt away his mortal half.
I know that, I was looking for specific examples from legends and myths of epic type equipment he could use that weren't cannon.
Btw Achilles's armour was made by Hephaestus and indestructable. He was hit in the back of the heel where the armour didn't cover.
Now that I think about other Greek myths, Perseus's flying sandels and helm of invisibility would be useful, if very expensive to project, too.
Btw Achilles's armour was made by Hephaestus and indestructable. He was hit in the back of the heel where the armour didn't cover.
Now that I think about other Greek myths, Perseus's flying sandels and helm of invisibility would be useful, if very expensive to project, too.
Are you sure about that (with regards to Achilles)? Where did you get that information from?
In the version of the legend I remember reading, he was half-mortal, and his mother burnt away his mortal side except for on his heel, thus making him invulnerable to being killed by being hit anywhere else.
In the version of the legend I remember reading, he was half-mortal, and his mother burnt away his mortal side except for on his heel, thus making him invulnerable to being killed by being hit anywhere else.
Every version I've come across went like this...
As an infant Achilles's mother Thetis took her son to the River Styx and dunked him in its magic waters that made him invulneralbe except were she held him by the heel. Later on during the siege of Troy Agamemnon insulted Achilles so much that he refuesd to fight and stayed in his tent. Later during the fighting the Greeks were getting hammered so Achilles's friend Patroclus convinced him to let him fight while wearing Achilles's armour to frighten the Trojans. He does a great job until Hector kills him and takes the armour. Achilles becomes enraged and begs his mother to get Hephaestus to make him a new set of armour so he could go kill Hector. Later on Paris ambushes Achilles by shooting him in his heel, the one spot not protected by the Styx water.
Now while Achilles's armour from Hephaestus might not have been perfect, it was still made by the God of Smiths and one of his finest creations. The armour like the Rho Aias, which became fameous in the same war, might have become a conceptional weapon later on so would be super awesome.
I'm just trying to come up with a lis of epic stuff for Archer to trace that didn't pop up in canon. They might be used in later fic ideas.
As an infant Achilles's mother Thetis took her son to the River Styx and dunked him in its magic waters that made him invulneralbe except were she held him by the heel. Later on during the siege of Troy Agamemnon insulted Achilles so much that he refuesd to fight and stayed in his tent. Later during the fighting the Greeks were getting hammered so Achilles's friend Patroclus convinced him to let him fight while wearing Achilles's armour to frighten the Trojans. He does a great job until Hector kills him and takes the armour. Achilles becomes enraged and begs his mother to get Hephaestus to make him a new set of armour so he could go kill Hector. Later on Paris ambushes Achilles by shooting him in his heel, the one spot not protected by the Styx water.
Now while Achilles's armour from Hephaestus might not have been perfect, it was still made by the God of Smiths and one of his finest creations. The armour like the Rho Aias, which became fameous in the same war, might have become a conceptional weapon later on so would be super awesome.
I'm just trying to come up with a lis of epic stuff for Archer to trace that didn't pop up in canon. They might be used in later fic ideas.
Archer should be able to use Avalon. He never does in canon, but it should be within his capabilities, and the listing of Unlimited Blade Works on the stat screen does say it contains EX-level Noble Phantasms, of which we know of two, and of those two, Shirou could only use Projection to create one.
That's the only stuff that we're certain can be projected. Even then it isn't absolutely certain because his abilities might only extend to NPs that are definitely either for offense or defense. As for armor, Herakles was known for having a lion skin from the Nemean lion that could defend him from nearly any attack. In Nasuverse that isn't mentioned anywhere in his list of NPs and abilities.
I guess I didn't explain my desire as best as possible last night, but I was came up with the idea that Archer shares some traits with the Artificer class from DnD 3.5, a lot of his power comes from the versitility and number of NPs that he can trace. So I was hoping to have help building a list of stuff that he could possibly bring out in order to make him more 'powerful' without actually changing his canon stats and abilities.
sworded said:
Every version I've come across went like this...
As an infant Achilles's mother Thetis took her son to the River Styx and dunked him in its magic waters that made him invulneralbe except were she held him by the heel.
As an infant Achilles's mother Thetis took her son to the River Styx and dunked him in its magic waters that made him invulneralbe except were she held him by the heel.
I'm just trying to come up with a lis of epic stuff for Archer to trace that didn't pop up in canon. They might be used in later fic ideas.
One thing that would be interesting, if he'd ever seen it, would be Fragarach, if he's able to activate and use it (it's not entirely clear if he could, or if you need to be a Fraga to do so).
nick012000 said:
Archer should be able to use Avalon. He never does in canon, but it should be within his capabilities, and the listing of Unlimited Blade Works on the stat screen does say it contains EX-level Noble Phantasms, of which we know of two, and of those two, Shirou could only use Projection to create one.
grant said:
As for armor, Herakles was known for having a lion skin from the Nemean lion that could defend him from nearly any attack. In Nasuverse that isn't mentioned anywhere in his list of NPs and abilities.
True, it's not explicitly attributed to having the skin of the Nemean lion, but it has precisely that effect (protecting him from any attack below rank A).
firestorm said:
God Hand is from his Twelve Labours, hence his twelve lives.
Cherry_lover said:
firestorm said:
God Hand is from his Twelve Labours, hence his twelve lives.
Cherry_lover said:
Certainly, the healing ability seems to work only when Saber is in close proximity (and works better when you're contracted to her), and I suspect that Avalon itself has a strict admissions policy....
Close proximity makes it go into overdrive (or have the full effect, depending on how you want to look at it), as shown by Shirou and Iri when they were touched by Saber. The contract between master and Servant isn't directly shown to have any effect at all though, as it worked for Iri just the same.
It was just as bad on Lancers spear wound near the end of Fate (when the contract was in place) as it was at the start of it (before he summoned Saber). Gae Bolg's curse is just that good, and Avalon needs Saber touching Shirou to do anything about it.
Amodelsino said:
What? The (minor) healing works full stop. That's how Kiritsugu saved Shirou after all. Saber was long gone by that point. It mostly just keeps you alive when you should be dead though.
Close proximity makes it go into overdrive (or have the full effect, depending on how you want to look at it), as shown by Shirou and Iri when they were touched by Saber. The contract between master and Servant isn't directly shown to have any effect at all though, as it worked for Iri just the same.
Well it could have charged it up with prana maybe, but the healing does still work the same without being Saber's master. It worked fine in UBW remember, and Iri had no contract of any kind with Saber from the start.
Avalon saved Shirou. Kiritsugu just put it in him.
Other than reinforcement, Kiritsugu was only able to destroy barriers and manipulate time for himself, and he lost his magical abilities after being bathed in grail mud anyway.
Avalon saved Shirou. Kiritsugu just put it in him.
Other than reinforcement, Kiritsugu was only able to destroy barriers and manipulate time for himself, and he lost his magical abilities after being bathed in grail mud anyway.