Trick or Treats

[Dumbledork]

I thought the trick or treat thing was stupid and only tried it from time to time, only getting stupid masks, useless candy and annoying transformations. But yesterday I got a cool companion, a walking pumpkin. So sonce then I've tried it once an hour with each of my characters, but wasn't able to get another one. The only other blue item I got was a pumpkin helm.

Did you get any cool stuff or do you know what other blue items there are?

 

[pjanimation]

Those are the only two blue items you can get from trick or treating.

They also drop off the Headless Horseman.

The Headless Horseman is a level 70 boss that only shows up during the Hallows End special event. He drops a variety of purple rings, a purple plate helm, a purple sword, his mount (which can be flying or non-flying depending on your riding skill and where you summon it), a temporary broomstick mount (which also changes depending on your riding skill and where you summon it, and lasts only 14 days), the blue cloth helm and the pet (which are both needed for the Achievement of Sinister Calling (I think that's what its called)).

 

[SimmyC]

^^^What he said. :sisi:

You also might get toothpicks via Trick or Treating. It's... for the most part a useless item, but using it gives you an achievement. So it isn't completely useless in that sense.

 

[Dumbledork]

^^^What he said. :sisi:

You also might get toothpicks via Trick or Treating. It's... for the most part a useless item, but using it gives you an achievement. So it isn't completely useless in that sense.

Damn, and I've thrown all of my toothpicks away. I'll use the next I get.

What are the achievements good for by the way?

 

[Ike]

^^^What he said.? :sisi:

You also might get toothpicks via Trick or Treating. It's... for the most part a useless item, but using it gives you an achievement. So it isn't completely useless in that sense.

Damn, and I've thrown all of my toothpicks away. I'll use the next I get.

What are the achievements good for by the way?

They increase the size of your E-peen.

 

[Dumbledork]

^^^What he said.á :sisi:

You also might get toothpicks via Trick or Treating. It's... for the most part a useless item, but using it gives you an achievement. So it isn't completely useless in that sense.

Damn, and I've thrown all of my toothpicks away. I'll use the next I get.

What are the achievements good for by the way?

They increase the size of your E-peen.

the size of the what now?

 

[SimmyC]

You never heard that term before?<_<

Also called your E-Penis. Basically, to show off how 'rad' you are online by showing off all of the 'great' things you did. It's not exactly useful other than 'see? I have more ----- than you!'

That being said, I'm sure Blizzard will find a use for the Achievement points. Otherwise, why would they not have points for certain 'hard to get' achievements compared to the 'normal' ones?

 

[toraneko]

Collecting Achievements is just something for the longtime L70s to do.

Personally, I don't mind it, but I'm a bit wary of how it's turning World of Warcraft into Xbox Live.

 

[Dubrichius]

Collecting Achievements is just something for the longtime L70s to do.

Personally, I don't mind it, but I'm a bit wary of how it's turning World of Warcraft into Xbox Live.

I think the Achievements are quite good, as some of them are acknowledgments of the milestones your character has completed; such as completely exploring various areas, up to and including the entirety of Azeroth and Outland.

 

[Garahs]

Is there no way to improve your character once you reach the level cap with the exception of equipment? Or these achievements?

 

[violinmana]

Well, you can get more skilled.

 

[Ike]

At 70, yes, its about equipment.

Generally, you already have the skill, or you don't. I've seen alts of endgame raiders outdps mains in the same guild simply because even though the alt is in t4/kara nonsense, and the main of the other person is in hyjal/bt gear, the first person is simply better at the game.


As for achievements... I believe there was a recent study/survey into 'what type of mmo gamer you are'. They ended up with 4 broad categories. One of them being an 'achiever', or someone who likes to have a list of shit they can do to get them marked as cooler, or some such.

For blizz, it was pretty much an untapped market.


Achievement POINTS don't give you anything (yet), but you CAN get stuff from achievements. Mounts, Titles, and Tabards.

Personally, I think awesome mounts (Albino Proto Drake (owning 50 mounts), Battle Bear (killing the enemy city leaders) ) are worth it to get, even though the achievements are hard to do.

 

[Dumbledork]

Battle Bear (killing the enemy city leaders)

Is that even possible? I can hardly see any one character simply stroll into a capital city, go to the throne room, and kill the leader.

 

[SimmyC]

^<_<

Ummm... you get a group/raid going when you do that. No one in their right mind would do it alone. <_< Besides the many epic guards kicking your ass, you'll also have enemy 70 players stopping you as well.

 

[ar_ranma]

I speak from experience. The opposing side will gang up on you... or rather they'll be cowards and hide back where the faction leader is.

 

[pjanimation]

Yeah, a single character would never be able to take out one of the bosses. They all have upwards of 5.5 million health, so that's out. What happens is that people organize giant 40+ person raids. Just to attack the other side's major cities, and kill their leaders.

We already took one down on my server (took out Velen, in the Exodar, took 30 minutes just to kill the guy!), after the 3.0.2 patch. The rest are too hard to kill, since they're level 80 raid bosses, and we're a bunch of measly 70s. I'm surprised we even managed to kill Velen. Velen was kinda weak though, he was basically a single targeting tank and spank. All the other bosses (as far as I've been told, anyways) have massive damage AoE abilities, which pretty much wipe any lvl 70 raids. So most people will have to wait until they're lvl 80 to be getting the Battle Bear.

Since everyone in the group gets credit for killing the leader, they all get the achievement. Once you get the achievements for all four opposing leaders, then you get the final achievement and get the Battle Bear mount.

EDIT: Foiled again! Beaten to the punch.

EDIT2: Foiled twice!

 

[Dumbledork]

I've only ever seen the Crossroads and Booty Bay being attacked and only by a few players.

 

[ar_ranma]

Crossroads

... lol, still being invaded Crossroads.

How old is your server Dumbledork?

The older the server the more 70s there are.

More 70s = more bored 70s

Bored 70s will attack just about anything. If a guild leader manage to get a sizable guild raid and opens it to the public saying raid on -insert city-. 70s will come by droves.

EDIT: At least that was true before they upped the levels of the leaders.

 

[pjanimation]

Yeah, the raids on major cities are usually pretty rare, at least on PvE servers. Not sure if there's more of them or not on PvP servers, but I can't imagine there are that many more. I've been in two major city raids, one which hit Darnassus, before the 3.0.2 patch made Tyrande very hard to kill, and another that raided Exodar (killing Velen) and tried Darnassus only to wipe many many times on Tyrande (this was after the 3.0.2 patch).

 

[SimmyC]

It's not easy getting a group of 70s (and you basically have to be 70s) to attack the other sides city. The more populous the server, the more people available to take down a leader.

It's still not easy though. Besides going through the cities guards, expect resistance from the other side's players.

There are servers with ridiculous odds though. Like, a server where 70% is Horde. Obviously, these servers, the side with the overwhelming numbers should have less trouble taking down leaders compared to say, a server with 50-50 or 40-60 to the other side.

 

[Dumbledork]

I think my server is quite old. I'm on the German server 'Alexstrasza'. There are a lot of 70s (at least there were in Shatrah when I visited with my lvl 65 hunter).

But so far I've leveled up all alone and only participated in 4 dungeon groups (three of which we failed). But I got fed up with the stupidity of the other players and decided to do everything alone. In my opinion there are too many Leeroy Jenkins imitators in WOW.

 

[Ike]

Top two hordeside raiding guilds (Pre 3.0, one of them was 35th in the US and had downed KJ, the other one was on M'iru) teamed up and 80 manned down the 4 city bosses, so we DO have people on my server with Battle Bears.

And Dumbledork, you are missing out, quite a bit. But thats your decision to make.

 

[Thardoc]

Yep I agree with ike on that one, your missing out but like he said its your decision. That being said, I haven't personally seen any of the black bears in my server but it could be just a matter of time. Wishing you all good luck and have fun on Wotlk, played the beta and you won't be disappointed with the new raid bosses. *cough* malygos *cough*.

 

[Lord of Bones]

But so far I've leveled up all alone and only participated in 4 dungeon groups (three of which we failed).

How do you fail a dungeon? Total party wipe?

 

[Ike]

Honestly? It seems pretty clear that Dumbledork looks at the game slightly differently from the rest of us, due to his completely singular experience with playing the game. This is shown with his mentioning of Booty Bay and Xroads as being areas under attack, as well as his disinterest in doing dungeons.


Dumbledork... Its quite often that people wipe in dungeons. Generally, if either the tank or the healer dies, thats whats going to happen. It doesnt mean a group is fail. If you have a rogue or a mage who gets bored with sitting around and starts making pulls on his own, thats not 'leroying'. Unless you're ridiculously undergeared, a party can generally keep on pulling nonstop. Assuming you're playing on a hunter or warlock (the only classes I've seen you mention), it's even easier, as you can always just trap or fear a mob running at you.


Many people may disagree with me here, but WoW is very much a game of skill. There is a HUGE difference between people who suck at the game, people who are ok at the game, and people who are good at the game. Its excrutiatingly easier to be a decent hunter. Especially if you're BM, spamming Steady Shot all day doesn't take skill. But even that minor attention to remembering to set up a trap before a pull in front of you, so that your CD is up by the time the mob breaks, is a lot harder then most hunters can manage.


The point here is that you may be misunderstanding what exactly is going on in dungeons, from your extremely limited experience with them. Because of this, you mistake something for failure where it is not. Unless you decide that Arena is where you want to be at 80, you ARE going to need to start trusting people in instances. For me personally, raiding is the most fun thing in the game. Nothing else even comes close. You are missing out on quite a bit by passing over instancing all together from a few 'bad' experiences.