Naruto Turn Back The Clock

[Revanant Dragoon]

So, here's an idea I've been pondering. Six months after Naruto and Jiraiya left for their training, they're summoned back to Konoha. Turns out things have really gone pear-shaped since they left. Orochimaru's been harrassing the border constantly, weaning down the Leaf's already near-completely depleted reserves. And while the Leaf has been successful in beating back the attacks and ambushes, Sound's been using copious amounts of missing-nins to bolster their numbers. So Konoha is quickly being run into the ground.

However, the Council has a plan. There's no way in hell that they could finish off the Snake Sannin (and effectively destroy the Sound--the Sound nins fight for him, not Sound itself) and even with a peace treaty with Sand would not ensure a victory should they attack the Sound-nins in an all-out war, so the old geezers decide to take an...unusual path to ensure victory: assassination of Orochimaru before he left the village.

That's right, they want to send someone back in time to assassinate/flush out Orochimaru.

 

[toraneko]

If they were even capable of sending someone back in time, I wager they'd do something more telling - like have the poor schlub check out the details of the Kyuubi no Youko incident, find out why it attacked, and try to prevent that tragedy from happening in the first place.

 

[Revanant Dragoon]

..........DAMNIT! Hit the post button on accident. Oops.

So, back to what I was saying. They want Orochimaru assassinated, but unfortunately for their plan no human could survive the jutsu--but a jinchuuriki should survive. And the only jinchuuriki that they have available (Gaara's out of the question) is Naruto. His training hasn't progressed far enough to take on Orochimaru after the snake-summoner passed jounin, and the jutsu can only take him back to a year before the Kyuubi attacked.

So they change the mission, the goal being revealing Orochimaru's experiments to the Yondaime (or Sandaime, if he's still in charge) and seducing Anko away from the pedophile before she receives the cursed seal (an additional perogative that Tsunade tacked onto the mission). Fortunately for Naruto, the jutsu takes two months to prepare (the Council's sending him back as far as they can, and the jutsu takes a SHIT-TON of chakra and preparation) so Tsunade schedules an intense ANBU training for him during those two months, taught by Anko and Genma.

Sooner than he'd prefer, the two months end and Naruto is sent back to change things for the better.

.......Konoha's so screwed. :snigger:

 

[toraneko]

Ah. That explains it.

In that context, I can see it... although I have a hard time believing that the council, or anyone else for that matter, has enough knowledge and/or power to time-travel via jutsu.

If you write it, I'll read it. ^_^

 

[Revanant Dragoon]

It's not actually like they just happened to have a scroll lying around containing the jutsu. More like they had a lot of physics notes from Pre-Summoning times (before ya ask, The Summoning was an apocalyptic event that destroyed the civilization prior to the ninja one) and a couple scrolls dealing with the logistics of summoning, and one of the old farts had a eureka moment.

As for power, why do you think that it takes two months to prepare (read: charge) the jutsu?

 

[holyknight]

..........DAMNIT! Hit the post button on accident. Oops.

So, back to what I was saying. They want Orochimaru assassinated, but unfortunately for their plan no human could survive the jutsu--but a jinchuuriki should survive. And the only jinchuuriki that they have available (Gaara's out of the question) is Naruto. His training hasn't progressed far enough to take on Orochimaru after the snake-summoner passed jounin, and the jutsu can only take him back to a year before the Kyuubi attacked.

So they change the mission, the goal being revealing Orochimaru's experiments to the Yondaime (or Sandaime, if he's still in charge) and seducing Anko away from the pedophile before she receives the cursed seal (an additional perogative that Tsunade tacked onto the mission). Fortunately for Naruto, the jutsu takes two months to prepare (the Council's sending him back as far as they can, and the jutsu takes a SHIT-TON of chakra and preparation) so Tsunade schedules an intense ANBU training for him during those two months, taught by Anko and Genma.

Sooner than he'd prefer, the two months end and Naruto is sent back to change things for the better.

.......Konoha's so screwed. :snigger:

....anyone cares for temporal rules?

If Naruto returns... one year before...what will happen when his temporal counter part is born? If he is born...we have three or four alternatives....

A: Past Naruto is wiped out of existence...(Stillborn, etc)...and the Future Naruto is the only living version remaining...

B:Future Naruto dissapears, and Past Naruto lives......

C: both coexist....Maybe because what this Past Naruto don't gets the baka fox shoved it inside him....

D: Both Narutos Merge or Supress each other...

Like Col. O'Neill would say..."Temporal Mechanics are a damm pain in the ass!"

 

[GenocideHeart]

Well, it can also go a few more ways.

One popular theory is that as long as you don't make direct contact with your past self, nothing will happen. But if you do, the paradox will wipe both you and the past you out, and severely wreck the timeline.

Another, which I mentioned in another thread, is the theory according to which whenever you alter the past, in fact you are simply making a new timeline, and become unhinged from your own reality, essentially turning into a temporal anomaly with no place. This has no actual effect on the timestream itself - it just means you exist outside of it, and can direct it without a catastrophic domino/butterfly effect taking place.

For this fic, I'd use the second theory. If Naruto is thrown out of the timestream, then this fic will become possible, and there's not much to explain. HOWEVER! Since he's changing the timeline, past a certain point events will no longer happen as he remembers them, and he'll have to play it by ear.

 

[TerraBull]

Hmm.. Question, could they send Naruto back, to possess someone? I was wondering if there were folks that would be in a Coma like state or somesuch, that could Anchor Naruto and the Kyuubi? of course, if that happened, the Kyuubi could possibly escape into another body? >;p

I admit, I just think of the show 'Back to the Future I II & III' for reffrence.

OTOH, if Anko trainned Naruto on all the Wierd stuff, would she try to twist her past self even more? or *GASP!* Instead of making herself the Sex symbol she currently is, she ends up being more shy than Hinata? :blink:

Yep.. time travel is bad, hmm.. would it be a better idea to send Naruto back, maybe with a report ment for the Fourth? Written by the ANBU about certain things, and let it be discovered? *GAH* Too many things..

Hmm.. could he possibly get Tsunade and Jiraya to confess certain things, so he has evidence, and can convince the past incarnations to help him?

If Naruto went into the Past, with a Summoned Creature, when the time limit on it ran out, would it return to the future?

Sorry, wierd thoughts.

 

[Revanant Dragoon]

Hmm...well, the thing is, Past and Future Naruto CAN'T exist at the same time. Or at least not in this fic.

The seal on Naruto's belly basically warps reality to create a pocket dimension. Now considering the fact that the time travel jutsu is highly experimental and deals with manipulating and twisting the fabric of reality, the Council has NO idea what might happen if Future Naruto comes in contact with the Past Kyuubi, Past (unsealed) Naruto, the sealing process, or Past (sealed) Naruto. So they built in a safety device: once the unadulterated Kyuubi chakra is sensed by an additional seal placed on Future Naruto, the time travel jutsu reactivates (or deactivates; I haven't worked out all the logistics yet) and sends him back to his own time.

Thus the temporal mechanics are avoided altogether.

 

[Revanant Dragoon]

could they send Naruto back, to possess someone? I was wondering if there were folks that would be in a Coma like state or somesuch, that could Anchor Naruto and the Kyuubi?

Nah, the jutsu works like a reverse summoning, literally forcing the target (body, clothes, everything) through a rip in time and space. Hence why only a jinchuuriki could possibly survive.

Since he's changing the timeline, past a certain point events will no longer happen as he remembers them, and he'll have to play it by ear.

As was my plan. He will start changing things, very much so. Only question is, how much will Naruto's tampering affect things?

OTOH, if Anko trainned Naruto on all the Wierd stuff, would she try to twist her past self even more? or *GASP!* Instead of making herself the Sex symbol she currently is, she ends up being more shy than Hinata?

.....Huh? How could she affect her past self? Only Naruto's able to survive the strain the jutsu puts on the body. Not to mention the fact that Naruto's mission is classified, even from Genma and Anko. All they know is that Naruto needs training. Badly.

would it be a better idea to send Naruto back, maybe with a report ment for the Fourth? Written by the ANBU about certain things, and let it be discovered?

Again, the jutsu is highly theoretical in nature, so the Council doesn't know how much might get changed just from SENDING Naruto back there, which is why he's also instructed not to shake the boat too much unless it'll acheive their goals.

Crap, gotta get to class.

 

[Matdeception]

I would so alter this idea. As it is the basic explanation is becoming convuluted, violating the tried but true 'K.I.S.S.' method (Keep it Simple, Stupid).

I really don't think the Council or whoever is using this jutsu is going to cover much of anything in the vien of 'Just in case.'. Unless it's been used in the past - exentinsively, so that they could experiment with the seal and all that to make sure it works, I don't see how they could alter it.

As for the Past Naruto not existing, I kinda don't believe that can happen, even if this is a 'split' off time line. Simply put, the Kyuubi incident wasn't just a natural disaster for Konoha, it affected the entire 5 elemental nations in far sweeping ways. Allowing the Kyuubi to remain free, or perhaps seal him in another baby, just seems far fetched.

Now, I'm more curious about 'Self-Becoming Prophecy' side of this thing. What if Naruto went back to kill Orochimaru, and some how pulls it off with flying colors, only to discover that while Orochimaru was a bastard, he was actually a regulating force that was pivotal to the timeline.

Taking the only course of action Naruto can think of, he 'becomes' Orochimaru (in a way). He corrupts Anko (She does act a lot like him, if you think about it) rather then 'free' her of his control. (Even if he was trying his damndest to get her to piss off, path to hell paved with good intentions, all that jazz)

No Cursed Seal, but Naruto wouldn't care really. It would make for a radically different future, as Naruto-maru tries to be evil while doing good in the long run.

Yare yare. Meh

 

[Mighty Bob]

Time travel fics are such fun ideas, but they also produce so many headaches (unless you go for the method where you ignore the elephant in the middle of the room 'Why no, there's no glaring plot holes here. Why do you ask?' )

Ok, so this whole ritual thing works and Wham, Bam, Thank you Ma'am: Naruto's in the past. Now is he supposed to be staying hidden and work behind the scenes for this, or is he supposed to go up to the powers that be for the time period he's in and say 'Hey, I just came from the future an lemme tell you just how Fubar it is...' Unless they can think up some airtight credentials to send back with him I see Naruto getting to spend a good chunk of time getting to know the Anbu Interrogation squads. Cause if I remember right, Konoha was just finishing up a war with the Stone ( and the Cloud? I know that they were signing a peace treaty about the time Hinata was 3 and got kidnapped, but when did that particular war start?) so I can imagine they'd be more parinoid and skeptical of stuff at that point than the laxness of pre-chuunin exams.

Like someone said though, the big problem here is that this'll mean two Kyuubi's and (eventually) two Naruto's. What if the Future Kyuubi can somehow get some kinda warning to his past self and either speeds up his coming to destroy the village or avoids it compeltel? Ooooor, you could go another route :evil: Naruto gets back alright, but his very presence is what sets in motion several of the events he was sent to prevent. His very presence there, with the Kyuubi sealed in his gut could be what attracted the attention of the Kyuubi to the village in the first place. And somehow or other ( I can't thinka just how yet) he winds up giving Orochimaru the inspiration to try and create an immortality jutsu so he can complete his dream of knowing every jutsu ever created. Just a thought anyways.

I kinda feel sorry for Naruto no matter how you end up doing this though. If he goes back and is stuck in the past, then everyone he knows and cares about is pretty much lost to him; seeing as they won't be the same people he knew when the future comes around again. And if he's sent back, he'll have the same problem and on top of that he won't know just what's changed between his leaving and his return so he'd be even more lost. Anyways, interested in seeing what you come up with.

 

[Revanant Dragoon]

I really don't think the Council or whoever is using this jutsu is going to cover much of anything in the vien of 'Just in case.'. Unless it's been used in the past - exentinsively, so that they could experiment with the seal and all that to make sure it works, I don't see how they could alter it.

They aren't messing with Naruto's seal, if that's what you mean. They ARE adding on another seal (planted wherever) that will detect the unsealed Kyuubi's chakra from several miles away, and designing it that the time travel jutsu will reactivate and send Future!Naruto back to his time.

As for the Past Naruto not existing

:blink: When did I say that?

basic explanation is becoming convuluted, violating the tried but true 'K.I.S.S.' method (Keep it Simple, Stupid).

Nah, I don't think it's as much the idea being overly complex and convoluted, but rather that I just suck at explaining shit. :sweat:

 

[Matdeception]

I get what your saying now. My bad. So when The Kyuubi comes to play in Konoha, it will reactivate the time travel Jutsu.

I personally feel HORRIBLE for Naruto Everything will change in his present, and he'd be the only one who knew otherwise. And who knows if the future will even turn out 'better', and not worse. Even if Orochimaru falls, there tend to be evil bastards ready to take up the slack.

 

[Typhonis]

*Chuckle* Naruto goes too far back in time....he becomes Jiriya

 

[holyknight]

I get what your saying now. My bad. So when The Kyuubi comes to play in Konoha, it will reactivate the time travel Jutsu.

I personally feel HORRIBLE for Naruto Everything will change in his present, and he'd be the only one who knew otherwise. And who knows if the future will even turn out 'better', and not worse. Even if Orochimaru falls, there tend to be evil bastards ready to take up the slack.

Now what i think it....it may exists a way to pull it...but is risky as hell for Naruto...

Merging.

If Naruto and Kyuubi's souls merge into a single entity, the resulting being would be different enough in physical and spiritual aspects from both Past Naruto and Past Kyuubi, to pull this...although..it exists a higher chance what the Merged Naruto would become a entity outside of his old timeline...it would be interesting to see him coexisting with the current Naruto...

:yay:

 

[toraneko]

although..it exists a higher chance what the Merged Naruto would become a entity outside of his old timeline...

"there is a higher chance that the Merged Naruto would become an entity outside his old timeline"

Fixed, errors pointed out.

Sorry, but this has been bugging me. ^_^

 

[Moshulel]

Sorry, but this has been bugging me. happy.gif

Grammar patrol on the prowl!

"there is a higher chance that the Merged Naruto would become an entity outside his old timeline"

Not KISS compliant... in fact this could make things VERY difficult. It brings a lot of questions about the changes that take place at a higher level as a result >>> The Butterfly theory.

 

[Typhonis]

Has anyone thought of the AU idea?

Naruto doesn`t go to his own past not even a demon vessel can but he winds up in a parallel universe at the same point in time he was aiming for.

 

[cilrais]

Yeah I like the DBZ theory on time travel.

 

[GenocideHeart]

Not KISS compliant... in fact this could make things VERY difficult. It brings a lot of questions about the changes that take place at a higher level as a result >>> The Butterfly theory.

I still think the Exiles effect is the only KISS compliant idea. Just make him get unhinged from the timeline. And when he changes the past (and he will, simply by being there), what he's actually doing is creating a new, separate timeliine with its own events.

That way, both the paradox theory and the Butterfly Effect are shot down. Sure, the events will not go as he remembers them, but that's simply because the timeline isn't his own, so he has to play it by ear.

 

[DhampyrX2]

That's basically the DBZ version too, except you can return to your own present. Your actions just affected nothing there.

 

[Moshulel]

Sure, the events will not go as he remembers them, but that's simply because the timeline isn't his own, so he has to play it by ear.

True... but on the other hand the timeline might have a tendency to corect itself, leading to some really nasty stuff or flat out attempt to reject the intrusion.

*And this is how anime fans learn science. *

 

[GenocideHeart]

True... but on the other hand the timeline might have a tendency to corect itself, leading to some really nasty stuff or flat out attempt to reject the intrusion.

*And this is how anime fans learn science. *

Not if you use the Exoiles approach. It simply causes the timeline to branch itself, as it's the path of least resistance in that scenario - instead of forcing history the way it was, the timeline preserves the original line and makes a new one for the intruder.

Since timetravel requires eormous power anyway, the damage is minimal since it happens very rarely, and the timeline itself integrates the new line in the multiverse.

There, problem solved and new scenario available. I recommend using this version, myself.

 

[Revanant Dragoon]

Damn, you're real big on the whole Exiles thing, aren't ya? Meh. :huh.:

Besides, I think that's what I'm using anyway: Naruto's actions in no way affect himself. In other words, the Back To The Future effect (you know, prevent your mother and father from meeting, which causes you to cease to exist) does not apply.

Of course, that doesn't prevent him from returning from the past and finding that he never existed or some other freaky-ass result (like, say, Sakura and Ino chasing after Shino instead of Sasuke ).

...............Of course, I could be a bastard and make the entire time Naruto's been in the past actually turn out to be something he imagined in the few seconds before the time travel jutsu tore him apart ('Occurance At Owl Creek', anyone?) :evil:

hmmmm....decisions.