Uncanny X-Men

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ttestagr

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I've been away from comics for quite a while. I think its been a decade since I've bought one. But talking to a buddy at work about them has gotten my interest up again, so I picked up the new issue of this title today.

Kitty Pryde is my favorite X character, so I'm glad she's back. I'm clueless on when, how, or why Magneto turned good though. Unsurprised about Kitty's permanent phasing though. Its been a danger for her for a long time, and about time it happened.
 
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Deathsheadx

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trust me when i say on the whole you want to avoid the x universe for a while. the mess, they made of it is heartbreaking.
 
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Crusader

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Deathsheadx said:
trust me when i say on the whole you want to avoid the x universe for a while. the mess, they made of it is heartbreaking.
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I was never quite myself again as an X-Men fan after Ed Brubaker ruined it completely for me with the retcon Deadly Genesis. It makes it hard for me to read any X-Men comics.

If there's one guy I will always nurse a grudge against it's that guy for "Ed Brubakering" one of my favourite comic book series.

Chuck Austen retconning Lorna Dane as Magneto's biological daughter I could swallow reluctantly. Louise Simonson and the who first wrote the story for X-Factor making Madelyne Pryor unlikeable, contrasting how Claremont made Pryor have some sympathetic traits during Inferno I could get over (even though I never liked how Simonson made the rest of the X-Team forgive Scott too quickly).

Ed Brubaker messing it up completely was unforgivable in my eyes.

Edit: Anyone know where you can get a voodoo doll of Ed Brubaker or a dart board with Ed Brubaker's face on it?
 
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GenocideHeart

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Crusader said:
Edit: Anyone know where you can get a voodoo doll of Ed Brubaker or a dart board with Ed Brubaker's face on it?
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Feeling bloodthirsty, are we?
 
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Crusader

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GenocideHeart said:
Crusader said:
Edit: Anyone know where you can get a voodoo doll of Ed Brubaker or a dart board with Ed Brubaker's face on it?
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Feeling bloodthirsty, are we?
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Sometimes, when my anger flares up over how messed up X-Men became because of that guy.

But I guess my anger pales in the face of what Spider-Man fans think of J. Michael Straczynski (despite some of his good comic stories) and Joe Quesada for causing an equally big retcon mess. They probably want to make effigies of the two and burn them.
 
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GenocideHeart

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Crusader said:
GenocideHeart said:
Crusader said:
Edit: Anyone know where you can get a voodoo doll of Ed Brubaker or a dart board with Ed Brubaker's face on it?
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Feeling bloodthirsty, are we?
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Sometimes, when my anger flares up over how messed up X-Men became because of that guy.

But I guess my anger pales in the face of what Spider-Man fans think of J. Michael Straczynski (despite some of his good comic stories) and Joe Quesada for causing an equally big retcon mess. They probably want to make effigies of the two and burn them.
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Someone DID make an effigy of Quesada and burn it. So, uh, yeah, he probably wants to avoid dark alleys at night.
 
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Crusader

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GenocideHeart said:
Crusader said:
GenocideHeart said:
Crusader said:
Edit: Anyone know where you can get a voodoo doll of Ed Brubaker or a dart board with Ed Brubaker's face on it?
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Feeling bloodthirsty, are we?
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Sometimes, when my anger flares up over how messed up X-Men became because of that guy.

But I guess my anger pales in the face of what Spider-Man fans think of J. Michael Straczynski (despite some of his good comic stories) and Joe Quesada for causing an equally big retcon mess. They probably want to make effigies of the two and burn them.
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Someone DID make an effigy of Quesada and burn it. So, uh, yeah, he probably wants to avoid dark alleys at night.
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Considering that he was one of the two who messed up the Spider-Man continuity BIG TIME and infuriated the upset fans further with what he said about this he must've done alot before that to make people hate him. Maybe people are more lenient towards Straczynski when it came to this.

What's your viewpoint of Ed Brubaker's "handling" of the X-Men series BTW? And do you think a retcon of the retcon would fix the mess made?
 
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icefire

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Hells yes. But what's the point? There are so many different versions of the series currently in motion: New Mutants, X-factor, GenX, crossovers, standalones, origins, etc, etc.

Correct me if I am wrong, but the entire time line of the series was screwed up long before Ed came a long.
 
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Deathsheadx

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icefire said:
Hells yes. But what's the point? There are so many different versions of the series currently in motion: New Mutants, X-factor, GenX, crossovers, standalones, origins, etc, etc.

Correct me if I am wrong, but the entire time line of the series was screwed up long before Ed came a long.
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the moment Quesada decided that continuity didn't matter, and allowed the likes of grant morrison and joss whedon to do what they want, the timeline was screwed
 
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GenocideHeart

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At least Whedon is funny. Can't say the same of Morrison, Austen, Loeb (FUCK YOU RULK) and a lot of other recent Marvel writers.
 
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icefire

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GenocideHeart said:
At least Whedon is funny. Can't say the same of Morrison, Austen, Loeb (FUCK YOU RULK) and a lot of other recent Marvel writers.
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Funny? Maybe. Consistent? Hell no. I would rather have a time line I can understand.
If I wanted comedy I would have opened up a DC comic and looked at Superman, not actually read it, just look at the giant bastard defeat an equally giant bastard who is fighting for the other team.

The Uncanny X-men is beyond a mess right now. They keep adding more plots, more characters, more powers, but they aren't focusing on the guys we actually like. It's turning into the "Negima!" Where you learn about every goddamn' person's history.

I don't care. Who the fuck cares?

What happened to those days where you stuck to 2-3 characters max? Back when you had Logan bitter, Rogue sad, and Scott insecure about everything around him?

Gone. I tell you. Gone!
 
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ttestagr

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icefire said:
GenocideHeart said:
At least Whedon is funny. Can't say the same of Morrison, Austen, Loeb (FUCK YOU RULK) and a lot of other recent Marvel writers.
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Funny? Maybe. Consistent? Hell no. I would rather have a time line I can understand.
If I wanted comedy I would have opened up a DC comic and looked at Superman, not actually read it, just look at the giant bastard defeat an equally giant bastard who is fighting for the other team.

The Uncanny X-men is beyond a mess right now. They keep adding more plots, more characters, more powers, but they aren't focusing on the guys we actually like. It's turning into the "Negima!" Where you learn about every goddamn' person's history.

I don't care. Who the fuck cares?

What happened to those days where you stuck to 2-3 characters max? Back when you had Logan bitter, Rogue sad, and Scott insecure about everything around him?

Gone. I tell you. Gone!
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Hey, Negima is fantastic. Don't insult the Fantastic.
 
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icefire

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ttestagr said:
icefire said:
GenocideHeart said:
At least Whedon is funny. Can't say the same of Morrison, Austen, Loeb (FUCK YOU RULK) and a lot of other recent Marvel writers.
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Funny? Maybe. Consistent? Hell no. I would rather have a time line I can understand.
If I wanted comedy I would have opened up a DC comic and looked at Superman, not actually read it, just look at the giant bastard defeat an equally giant bastard who is fighting for the other team.

The Uncanny X-men is beyond a mess right now. They keep adding more plots, more characters, more powers, but they aren't focusing on the guys we actually like. It's turning into the "Negima!" Where you learn about every goddamn' person's history.

I don't care. Who the fuck cares?

What happened to those days where you stuck to 2-3 characters max? Back when you had Logan bitter, Rogue sad, and Scott insecure about everything around him?

Gone. I tell you. Gone!
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Hey, Negima is fantastic. Don't insult the Fantastic.
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Ttes, I have no idea whether you are being sarcastic right now. We are talking about the manga with a MILLION girl harem, aren't we? Can you really picture something like that working in marvel?

Introducing Mahou Sensei Peter Parker...



 
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Chuckg

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OK, given that my very first comics reading ever was the Kitty Pryde & Wolverine limited series, #1-6, and that I've been an off and on X-Men fan for decades... and that I've been way "cold" on Marvel Comics in general since Civil War, and on mutant comics even before that...

... what Brubaker thing on X-Men?

I do know all about Whedon's Astonishing run and how it ended, and someone linked me the scans_daily of Magneto's rescue of Kitty, so, no need to rehash those parts. But Brubaker did X-comics? Huh.
 
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Crusader

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Chuckg said:
... what Brubaker thing on X-Men?
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To put it shortly one of the worst retcons I've ever seen. Brubaker's character rape of Professor Charles Xavier makes the Ultimate Marvel incarnation of Professor X seem more sympathetic in comparison.

True that other X-Men writers have made Xavier have his dark sides, but Brubaker's take on it was pure character rape by retconning the Krakoa incident and making him appear worse than he really is after Deadly Genesis.

Deadly Genesis review by someone else
 
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Chuckg

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Ahhhh. I did hear something about that, but I hadn't known it was Brubaker.
 
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ttestagr

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GenocideHeart said:
Grunt said:
Hey, remember the time when Negima was good?
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Yeah I do, because it was never anything but awesome :p
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Some people have very low standards, I see... :p
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Yeah, I'd have to agree. Negima started out very average, got okay during the Eva arc, and didn't really get good until the Kyoto arc in volume 5.
 
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