pidl said:
wingthesword said:
Shiakou said:
You'd think with all the canon reasons to dislike Ron, they'd stop making up new ones or trying to make him look worse than he is.á :huh:
I'm not sure if you're saying I made these up or what.
You are at least exaggerating some things.
When did Ron add to Harrys turmoil?
Ron has left Harry to 'sink or swim' exactly two times and neither of those had anything to do with public opinion, and the second time he immediately regretted it, but couldn't find them again.
I don't know how you get that Ron is one of the crowd, since he doesn't have any other friends outside Harry and Hermione, nor how you get that he was friends because of the fame. I don't think he ever mentioned it again after their introduction.
I never thought of Ron as just a hanger on. Ron was simply more pragmatic and provided an insight to the wizarding world that Hermione didn't provide. He also has his own fears and insecurities.
In PoS Ron realizes that he's not the hero and that ultimately he can be sacrificed so that Harry can defeat Voldemort.
In CoS Ron rescues his friend from the bad muggles, and then stands by Harry's side when everyone thinks that Harry is the heir of Slytherin. He goes into the forest with Harry despite his fear of spiders, and when he discovers that Ginny is in trouble prompts Harry to confront Lockhart so that they can save his sister.
In PoA Ron and Hermione get into a spat with each other, but he always stays by Harry's side, helping watch over his friend while the threat of Sirius Black is out there.
In GoF Ron and Harry have their first significant tiff, which ultimately leads to Ron confronting his own insecurities regarding his role as second fiddle to the hero. When Ron realizes that Harry really doesn't want to be famous and isn't willing to casually sacrifice his friends, Ron again stands by Harry's side. Again Ron has a tiff with Hermione, but ultimately he supports Harry as much as possible.
In OotP Ron stands by Harry's side, but it is Harry who needs to overcome his insecurities. Harry initially fells jealous of Ron being selected as Prefect, and when Ron does what he can to support his friend, it is Harry who does not open up.
HBP sees Ron maturing, though straining his relationship with Hermione once again. Harry turns to Hermione more as Ron/Lavender gets too overwhelming, but Ron is there when needed.
And finally in DH we see Ron dealing with his insecurities about his family and the two not being able to truly understand and empathize with each other because of the differences in their family structures. Yet despite their issues, Ron does come back, and even saves Harry's life.
Ultimately Ron and Harry's relationship is limited by the fact that they're both boys. It's hard for men/males to truly open up to each other. Male friends support each other, though we don't always explain things to each other, but when family is involved sometimes men have to choose between friends and family. You also have to understand that sometimes a man's loyalty can waver, but ultimately Ron did come back to support his friend.
I don't believe that Ron befriended Harry just to be close to someone famous. I think that they just happened to cross paths at the right time. Ron offered valuable insights to the Wizarding world that Harry craved, and was very humble about it.
You see in many fanfics Harry befriending Draco early in PoS because Draco provides those insights that Harry craves, but in cannon Draco's lack of humility and arrogance are what keeps the two from becoming friends.