Vista? Worth it?
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I think there is also some sort of complaint about video card driver incompatibility with Vista. Seems the various firms like ATI and Nvidia have their hands full trying to churn out the necessarily drivers to make their hardware Vista compliant.
Plus, I read that even Visual Studio 2005, and assorted antivirus and CD/DVD authoring programs don't work properly as well. Though a few people have reported that they have not experienced any problems with Vista. Yet...
I would probably recommend waiting for a few months or so while they iron out the various problems, and the relevant patches/drivers/service packs get released, lest you go :headbanger: every minute or so... <_<
Plus, I read that even Visual Studio 2005, and assorted antivirus and CD/DVD authoring programs don't work properly as well. Though a few people have reported that they have not experienced any problems with Vista. Yet...
I would probably recommend waiting for a few months or so while they iron out the various problems, and the relevant patches/drivers/service packs get released, lest you go :headbanger: every minute or so... <_<
I've been using the beta for awhile now, and personally, I'll be upgrading over to Vista very soon, and when I have time to set everything back up. I like it, and I'll definitely be using it in the future, so I'd might as well start now. Game performance-wise, I'm not the one who will notice the specific performance difference. If it works and such, I'm down with it.
But, it's a good idea to dual boot and still keep XP just as well for certain things. For example, whenever I need to transfer things over to my Pocket PC, I need to use XP since the older OS of my Pocket PC is incompatable with the new software in Vista. Great, Microsoft now wants me to upgrade and buy a new freaking Pocket PC just to get the new OS.
My opinion, anyways. As far as my luck goes, nothing goes wrong with me every time I upgrade to a new OS. Let's see how long it goes on for with Vista...
But, it's a good idea to dual boot and still keep XP just as well for certain things. For example, whenever I need to transfer things over to my Pocket PC, I need to use XP since the older OS of my Pocket PC is incompatable with the new software in Vista. Great, Microsoft now wants me to upgrade and buy a new freaking Pocket PC just to get the new OS.
My opinion, anyways. As far as my luck goes, nothing goes wrong with me every time I upgrade to a new OS. Let's see how long it goes on for with Vista...
I upgraded a large portion of my software base back in April, I'm not intending on upgrading to Vista until 2008.
having said that a couple comments:
1. Upgrading to a New OS by installing on the old existing one is stupid from a developer and functionality standpoint. I've always taken the approach of backing up needed elenments, wiping the HD, installing the new os, Hardware drivers, and then minimal software set, with all newest patches and available versions. you get a far more stable system out of the deal.
2. Even after doing the above, I reset the systems roughly 1 time a year, to remove the junk and clean up problems. And every month do a maintenance cycle (I've described my cycle before elsewhere in this forum).
Finally, note there is an interesting issue I learned about recently from the Ziff Davis PC Magazine News Feed in regards to Vista installs. Vista, depending upon *upgrade* version, does *not* allow for truely clean installs. This differes from past versions of Windows. Therefore, when I upgrade, I will need to insure I get a full version for my systems.
having said that a couple comments:
1. Upgrading to a New OS by installing on the old existing one is stupid from a developer and functionality standpoint. I've always taken the approach of backing up needed elenments, wiping the HD, installing the new os, Hardware drivers, and then minimal software set, with all newest patches and available versions. you get a far more stable system out of the deal.
2. Even after doing the above, I reset the systems roughly 1 time a year, to remove the junk and clean up problems. And every month do a maintenance cycle (I've described my cycle before elsewhere in this forum).
Finally, note there is an interesting issue I learned about recently from the Ziff Davis PC Magazine News Feed in regards to Vista installs. Vista, depending upon *upgrade* version, does *not* allow for truely clean installs. This differes from past versions of Windows. Therefore, when I upgrade, I will need to insure I get a full version for my systems.
I tried out Vista at the store I work at.
IMO?
Nice looking, but... no really big differences that would make me jump into Vista. I've heard about all the security features and so forth (something you can't really get into for the few minutes 'demoing' at a store) but, is it worth being 'virus free' while dealing with other bugs (not to mention the fact, it's virus free now. But for how long)?
Not to mention the fact that I already bought a new computer with XP. Yes, Vista ready, but do I really want to go through the hassle of backing up my stuff, reformatting my HD, and then installing Vista on it? <_<
Gaming wise? Well, most games I know work on XP. Vista? There are reports that so-and-so game... doesn't work on it. Now the big games I'm sure will work since, well, they better work given that I'm sure MS doesn't want to alienate those fans. But what about the more obscure games? And this computer, while it is powerful, it isn't THE most powerful computer either. So while games will look good on it, it won't look the best without some mishaps.
And again, given the possibility/probability of tons of bugs in it, any serious thoughts of an 'upgrade'... won't be for at least six months/one year.
IMO?
Nice looking, but... no really big differences that would make me jump into Vista. I've heard about all the security features and so forth (something you can't really get into for the few minutes 'demoing' at a store) but, is it worth being 'virus free' while dealing with other bugs (not to mention the fact, it's virus free now. But for how long)?
Not to mention the fact that I already bought a new computer with XP. Yes, Vista ready, but do I really want to go through the hassle of backing up my stuff, reformatting my HD, and then installing Vista on it? <_<
Gaming wise? Well, most games I know work on XP. Vista? There are reports that so-and-so game... doesn't work on it. Now the big games I'm sure will work since, well, they better work given that I'm sure MS doesn't want to alienate those fans. But what about the more obscure games? And this computer, while it is powerful, it isn't THE most powerful computer either. So while games will look good on it, it won't look the best without some mishaps.
And again, given the possibility/probability of tons of bugs in it, any serious thoughts of an 'upgrade'... won't be for at least six months/one year.
The stuff I've read on it basically point it out to be a two hundred dollar service pack for XP.
If you want most of the features that they've touted as being 'the big thing for Vista,' you need to go with the 400 dollar ultimate edition. 400 dollars? I can buy a whole computer for that. I'm beginning to see a mental image of BIll gates sitting in his office in a Gendo Ikari pose before breaking out laughing maniacally. The firewall is a nightmare, and the list of other gripes goes on a mile long. And yet people swarm to it like sheep.
I suggest you get your versions of XP sooner than later. The price won't go down, Microsloth will just stop selling it, then you'll be S.O.L. How long before they stop selling it depends on how abysmal the sales of Vista are. The worse they are, the more likely Microshaft will cut off XP to force people into the more expensive Vista route. And if you play games, there is no option other than to buy vista. That's the trap I'm in or I would have bailed years ago. Not that they haven't planned that scenario for the last fifteen years or anything.
Compatibility with vista and many apps have been shaky. The comapanies are scrambling to try to make stuff work, but it's a nightmare. Even Firefox is struggling to make it work on vista as well. For me that's enough of a hint that MicroSuck might be up to something. Or it just could be that it's so messed up that it'll take months and months to iron everything out. Vista service pack 1 is reported to be in the works for a december 07 release.
If I was a browsing buyer... I wouldn't buy vista. It's interface's visual enhancements are just not worth the bother. If you have a firewall and AV, WinXP is going to be your best bet for the next 6 months at least. More likely than not you'll still have to buy those two things for Vista anyways, so why bother? Just get Xp Pro.
If you want most of the features that they've touted as being 'the big thing for Vista,' you need to go with the 400 dollar ultimate edition. 400 dollars? I can buy a whole computer for that. I'm beginning to see a mental image of BIll gates sitting in his office in a Gendo Ikari pose before breaking out laughing maniacally. The firewall is a nightmare, and the list of other gripes goes on a mile long. And yet people swarm to it like sheep.
I suggest you get your versions of XP sooner than later. The price won't go down, Microsloth will just stop selling it, then you'll be S.O.L. How long before they stop selling it depends on how abysmal the sales of Vista are. The worse they are, the more likely Microshaft will cut off XP to force people into the more expensive Vista route. And if you play games, there is no option other than to buy vista. That's the trap I'm in or I would have bailed years ago. Not that they haven't planned that scenario for the last fifteen years or anything.
Compatibility with vista and many apps have been shaky. The comapanies are scrambling to try to make stuff work, but it's a nightmare. Even Firefox is struggling to make it work on vista as well. For me that's enough of a hint that MicroSuck might be up to something. Or it just could be that it's so messed up that it'll take months and months to iron everything out. Vista service pack 1 is reported to be in the works for a december 07 release.
If I was a browsing buyer... I wouldn't buy vista. It's interface's visual enhancements are just not worth the bother. If you have a firewall and AV, WinXP is going to be your best bet for the next 6 months at least. More likely than not you'll still have to buy those two things for Vista anyways, so why bother? Just get Xp Pro.
Or just get Linux. The majority of the stuff that DOES require you to use an AV and a firewall just plain can't affect Linux, and unless you are a hardcore PC gamer, you can make do with emulators, who ARE available for Linux...
And if you just use the PC to surf, the fuck are you still using Windows at all for? Linux > Windows if all you do is surf. It has both Firefox and Opera available, and very stable, IIRC.
And if you just use the PC to surf, the fuck are you still using Windows at all for? Linux > Windows if all you do is surf. It has both Firefox and Opera available, and very stable, IIRC.
Of all the Linux type variants I've seen, the one to have impressed me the most out the box was Linspire. My brother demoed it a while when he was considering switching to a Linux varient and could not figure out which one.
It recognized nearly everything without reconfiguring. The only thing it did not oddly enough was the motherboard based networking port. There might have been drivers for it, butI cannot recall offhand.
It recognized nearly everything without reconfiguring. The only thing it did not oddly enough was the motherboard based networking port. There might have been drivers for it, butI cannot recall offhand.
I will never touch Vista unless forced to. I only use XP because I need it for certain programs. Vista has way too many additions, that are in the best interest of microsoft and not the average person. I believe they have something similar to spyware built in. If not, they still designed it to cause problems for any non-MS product. Definitely go with Linux or Mac. Vista just basically ripped off Mac OS visually. Mac OS is stable and works though.
Vista Transformation Pack if the link doesn't work for some reason, just google it. Ok, for some reason the actual download is missing on that site. -_- This one works though. It links to a forum and has some mirrors, since the primary download is the first link.
Homemade windows upgrade. All the good things about Vista, none of the shit. About to try it out. Someone else already did so and said they had a 7% increase in performance.
I had some minor issues but after restarting a second time, things seem to be working fine. I installed it on my laptop and for some reason MSN got a make over on that, but not on my desktop.
Desktop Screenshot
Homemade windows upgrade. All the good things about Vista, none of the shit. About to try it out. Someone else already did so and said they had a 7% increase in performance.
I had some minor issues but after restarting a second time, things seem to be working fine. I installed it on my laptop and for some reason MSN got a make over on that, but not on my desktop.
Desktop Screenshot
Sweet mother of god, if you want performance, kill half of your processes that are putting icons in your systray. Holy crap you have a load of them. I have 7 in my systray and I think that's too many.
But I LOVE the background. That is pure win.
For those that want info on linux, I would suggest Ubuntu. There are two premade installation versions that are available on their website. One for desktop, which installs the graphical interface, and one for server, which is strictly text administered. They technically also have a full install DVD version that is customizable, but you have to have a DVD-+r drive that's bootable.
Ubuntu stresses security and functionality out of box. It's a simple install from an image cd and you're off.
Linux was originally simply made by Linus Torvalds (Hence Linux) as a unix variant for the x86 processor line. Everything else was originally the same. The ease of use developed later with RedHat and later versions like debian and ubuntu that stressed more usability. There are forums and linux books out there available. I haven't visited many though as I haven't really needed it. Ubuntu's website has a support forum for its version. I'm sure you can find forums all over the place. If you are completely green with linux, I would suggest tinkering on a spare machine so that you have a functional one to browse with in case you ooops.
But I LOVE the background. That is pure win.
For those that want info on linux, I would suggest Ubuntu. There are two premade installation versions that are available on their website. One for desktop, which installs the graphical interface, and one for server, which is strictly text administered. They technically also have a full install DVD version that is customizable, but you have to have a DVD-+r drive that's bootable.
Ubuntu stresses security and functionality out of box. It's a simple install from an image cd and you're off.
Linux was originally simply made by Linus Torvalds (Hence Linux) as a unix variant for the x86 processor line. Everything else was originally the same. The ease of use developed later with RedHat and later versions like debian and ubuntu that stressed more usability. There are forums and linux books out there available. I haven't visited many though as I haven't really needed it. Ubuntu's website has a support forum for its version. I'm sure you can find forums all over the place. If you are completely green with linux, I would suggest tinkering on a spare machine so that you have a functional one to browse with in case you ooops.
Most of those I close anyway. There are just so many because I just booted up. Three are from the vista thing and not anything I can do anything about. Most of the icons are just for programs I have running anyway.
Performance wasn't my issue, appearance was. I had to switch backgrounds actually. Before I had a Hinata one, and the colors didn't work, so I went with something in the blue range as opposed to tans. I also figured out how to change the gadgets. I got rid of those and now I have weather and the player. Though I don't really need the player.
Performance wasn't my issue, appearance was. I had to switch backgrounds actually. Before I had a Hinata one, and the colors didn't work, so I went with something in the blue range as opposed to tans. I also figured out how to change the gadgets. I got rid of those and now I have weather and the player. Though I don't really need the player.
I tried Vista, briefly, but I ran into issues I eventially attributed to poor driver support. I'd try to play music files in either itunes, winamp, or WMP 11, and they'd all consume 90% of my CPU.
Don't get me started on the playability of any games...
I was running it on a 3GHz P4 with 3Gigs of RAM too.
Don't get me started on the playability of any games...
I was running it on a 3GHz P4 with 3Gigs of RAM too.
I had that problem before, luckily it was only one IE. I think if I left explorer dead, the IE went away. It worked for most things. I had to use the desktop icons and task manager to open new programs and alt+tab to switch.
I'm surprised Vista's OS-tan doesn't have a larger chest than XP. I guess in a few years it would get ridiculous in that department so they stopped. Though I don't think there is a standard for it yet.
I'm surprised Vista's OS-tan doesn't have a larger chest than XP. I guess in a few years it would get ridiculous in that department so they stopped. Though I don't think there is a standard for it yet.
Hmm. I haven't seen a single 'Vista-OS-tan" yet. What I mean by that is, while I travel through the links provided by Wikipedia, I've come across many interpretations of what Vista might look like. But not a uniformly single image of said person. The best one IMO, does have big boobs. Maybe not humongous if boobs = Ram requirement, but hey, at least it she is nice on the eyes. :sisi:
Of course, this thread is about Vista OS, not Vista-tan.
Which, after a few weeks out on the market... still no insensitive to get it. Besides the ridiculous cost, hearing the issues people have with it when it concerns say performance, not enough justfication to make the switch.
I also read it is a hassle to upgrade (like the whole Driver issue). If I had wanted Vista, it probably would have been better if I got it when I was buying a new computer. As it stands, XP is just fine for me.
Of course, this thread is about Vista OS, not Vista-tan.
Which, after a few weeks out on the market... still no insensitive to get it. Besides the ridiculous cost, hearing the issues people have with it when it concerns say performance, not enough justfication to make the switch.I also read it is a hassle to upgrade (like the whole Driver issue). If I had wanted Vista, it probably would have been better if I got it when I was buying a new computer. As it stands, XP is just fine for me.
That's why there's two. You can only kill one at a time and they are made to look for two to make sure it continues running.
You'll have to start in safe mode and edit the registry to not run the process that is kicking off the virus. Then delete the virus file and restart. Generally it's in
hkey_local_machine>Software>microsoft>windows>currentversion>run
No IEexplore should EVER be initiated from the 'run' keys. You should be able to delete any occurrence in that list. It may also be in:
hkey_current_user>Software>microsoft>windows>currentversion>run
Check where the file is being started from. I'll place money it's not the same place that windows stores iexplorer, Which should be "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe"
I got struck by Win32.Downloader.Banload.bjs today but it doesn't seem to have done anything... yet. My anti-spyware seems to have crushed it like the death star did to Alderan. I just want to know how the hell it got in.
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I've never bought a premade computer, except for my notebook. Ever. In 15 years. My first 286 I had to plug little 32KB chips in the motherboard for memory. If I don't build them myself I never get what I truly want out of my machine.
NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER (get the hint?) buy into a brand new OS as soon as it's released. Wait 6 months. Let them work some of the bugs out first, because you damn well know microsoft screwed up somewhere. It also allows a compatible driver base to be established and gives software companies a chance to make their stuff work.
You'll have to start in safe mode and edit the registry to not run the process that is kicking off the virus. Then delete the virus file and restart. Generally it's in
hkey_local_machine>Software>microsoft>windows>currentversion>run
No IEexplore should EVER be initiated from the 'run' keys. You should be able to delete any occurrence in that list. It may also be in:
hkey_current_user>Software>microsoft>windows>currentversion>run
Check where the file is being started from. I'll place money it's not the same place that windows stores iexplorer, Which should be "C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe"
I got struck by Win32.Downloader.Banload.bjs today but it doesn't seem to have done anything... yet. My anti-spyware seems to have crushed it like the death star did to Alderan. I just want to know how the hell it got in.
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I've never bought a premade computer, except for my notebook. Ever. In 15 years. My first 286 I had to plug little 32KB chips in the motherboard for memory. If I don't build them myself I never get what I truly want out of my machine.
NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER (get the hint?) buy into a brand new OS as soon as it's released. Wait 6 months. Let them work some of the bugs out first, because you damn well know microsoft screwed up somewhere. It also allows a compatible driver base to be established and gives software companies a chance to make their stuff work.